The Higher Self and transcendent experience, including OBEs

[TraineeHuman]

Higher dimensions have more highly strange yet rigorously provable qualities by far than what we’ve seen so far with strange particle physics. Incidentally, that might perhaps more accurately be called “strange particle non-physics”, since at present physicists can’t even begin to explain why or how strange particles behave the way they do.

Let’s take a small look at one part of the world of 6D. (Incidentally, fans of merkabas etc etc should note I don’t mean the world of six dimensions of form, but the first dimension of total formlessness – which, I assure you, is very different, and awesomely “higher up” than that. I’ve OB visited other planets which had six or more dimensions of form and I’ve seen what life is like there, so I’m going on extensive direct first-hand experience here – well, direct first-hand very clear memories obtained OB, I guess.)

The world of 6D is the one in which intentions take the centre of the stage – much as in 4D it’s emotions or energy and in 5D it’s concepts. You could also say the 6D world is full of and focused on ideas, but just before they take a form where you can put them into words.

The whole area of intentionality has been studied by philosophers and somewhat by some psychologists, so there are many things we can say we know for certain about it. (Sorry, it’s not a totally “unsayable” place at all.)

One of the biggest things is that some of the laws of logic or “rationality” break down there. For instance, the world of intentionality – the 6D world -- is the world of “wish” or “believe” or “hope” or “(in fantasy) imagine as” or “know” or “prefer”, to name a few of the biggies. The 6D world is a huge place – and talk about multiple timelines! Each individual has at least one wished-for timeline and at least one most-feared timeline, for instance. You do the math.

Let’s say, for instance, that some person (with an intellectual handicap?) believes that Nathan Rothschild is the nicest person on the planet. And let’s suppose we’re using the word “nicest” in some very precise sense in which it so happens to be determinable that Mary Nurk is in reality quite definitely the nicest person. Well, it doesn’t then follow that the poor person believes that Nathan Rothschild is Mary Nurk. Yet, according to the laws of logic, and anywhere in the 3D world where we don’t use intentionality since that would involve using something that’s 6D, logic would require Rothschild to be identical with Nurk, wouldn’t it?

Or, let’s try another example. Let’s say you wish, or hope, to win a certain lottery at its next draw. For the sake of this example, let’s say that the next winner is determined by a certain machine that selects that ticket-buyer who buys their ticket the closest to a certain precise time. Let’s also suppose that the machine has already preselected the time, and that it was in the past. At that time, it so happened that Gladys Underhill, of a certain address, was issued a ticket by her newsagent that is already destined to be the winning ticket. You don’t know this, and as you buy your ticket later the same day you have the wish and the hope that the winner is you. Notice, though, that you’re not wishing or hoping to be Gladys Underhill – especially since it so happens Gladys is retired and is suffering from a painful, apparently terminal disease. Actually you aren’t wishing to be “the lottery winner” in reality, not while you’re also in 3D reality. If you were a 6D being, maybe – if not definitely -- you could wish to be the winner and remain without the need to be Gladys.

So, the 6D world is full of private universes of wishes, fears, hopes, fantasies, suppositions, ideas, and so on. In 6D, these are all real, but most of them maybe won’t materialize in 3D or even become real in a dimension lower than 6D. In 6D, if you happen to not like a particular wish you created, all you have to do is wish something different, and hey presto that is what is now real, in 6D. I hope this helps readers to appreciate that the 3D world is in some ways not the outermost, most forgotten province of reality. In certain ways 3D is more real than any dimension above it.

That’s not the whole story. Not by a long chalk. So far I guess you may be getting the picture of the 6D world being full of shell-like things most of which will remain faint wisps. In my next post on this subject I’ll give some explanation of why there’s more to this picture and what I’ve said so far is only one side of the “equation”.

It’s quite a challenge to describe what life in the various higher dimensions is like in terms easy to understand. But I’ll continue doing what I can, when I can. I also have the aim of making it clearer how we do all use our 4D, 5D, 6D and 7D parts even in the course of our ordinary life. If I could ever totally succeed to describe it fully and in a way that people could all understand easily, it would be the most wonderful and mind-blowing story ever. Only, it wouldn’t be a story but reality. Unfortunately, I’m not promising to produce all that for you.

[TraineeHuman]

True freedom of any sort, including the political and economic, depends – I’d like to suggest -- on restoring and more fully activating our 6D, 7D, and other higher D capabilities.

In the past several thousand years in the West, our 5D capabilities – our conceptualizing abilities – were left stunted for over a thousand years at the time of the Dark Ages. This happened because the Catholic Church destroyed and banned all universities for most of that period, and kept most of the population illiterate in many Western countries. In some ancient Asian civilizations – such as India and China -- there were quite a few centuries between three thousand and over a thousand years ago where the peasants working in the fields used to spend time every day discussing quite advanced philosophical and psychological issues where today people might discuss sports events instead. But it’s only a recent phenomenon from the last several generations that the 5D capabilities – the abilities to critically analyse and conceptualise – have become very common, at least in the West.

To become free of needing to reincarnate in 3D, it also seems necessary to develop and apply various 6D and higher abilities. We know we already have these abilities in an uncontrolled form because of what our subconscious minds can do. OB experience of the 6D and higher worlds is useful because it shows us – if only in glimpses – how the world would feel different once we have activated these abilities more fully and in a more controlled way.

There is an interpretation of quantum theory according to which all possible universes, all possible states of affairs, exist somewhere in some 3D world. That’s not quite how I would understand what happens. I don’t believe that every time I make a choice there is a bifurcation of universes and me’s, and one me goes off into the possible universe I didn’t choose while I seem to remain the current me and the universe I was in does forks off in one direction but since I’m still in it I don’t notice that I’ve gone on from a crossroads of universes.

Why don’t I believe this? Firstly, because the way manifestation in “this” 3D universe seems to works is as follows. There’s a kind of stock exchange in the sky, so to speak, with many (6D) intentions, mostly belonging to different individuals, vying against each other. The one which wins is basically the one from the individual who had the strongest intention. The person who had the second strongest intention then has to live with something a little less than what was intended materializing. And so on down the chain.

There is an exception to this in that there are also intentions coming from groups of individuals who manage to be in full agreement. Normally such a group intention will win out over any individual one. Why, then, do we have the banksters and so on where they are? Well, part of the explanation is that they belong to Masonic lodges and so on and so forth and they utilize the power of group intention, while they’ve tried to keep the masses misinformed about realities and divided and distracted and at a lower level of development of consciousness.

I once experienced a situation where I was massively cheated by a very clever individual. I asked my clairvoyant advisor – one of the most accurate of the many clairvoyants I have known – and she said there was nothing I would be able to do about this exploitation, because that individual had a higher level of consciousness/awareness than myself, at least where it counted. Certainly that individual would eventually have to deal with his life-review when he dies. But the ruling elite ultimately can only stay in power by in some way or other trapping very many highly aware/conscious individuals in childhood and keeping them in their ranks.

As far as multiple timelines goes, I do have some OB experiences which seem to show that yes, that kind of bifurcation does occur in some sense. But there seem to be far, far fewer bifurcations than some would like to suggest. In my own case, the ones that I’ve tracked OB usually seem to have been incarnations of the same HS (at some higher D) on completely different 3D or 4D planets. In my experience, you don’t get a bifurcation happening just because you chose coffee instead of mineral water or tea; nor even, perhaps, because you chose to get married to person A instead of person B.

[AwakeInADream]

Is it possible that a 'Guru' with no power, can obtain power simply from his followers belief that he has supernatural powers?

That what starts out as a bluff can then turn into reality?

The expression 'fake it till you make it' comes to mind...

And in this way, a false religion could be started, and that a Demon could obtain God-like powers from the belief of his followers that he is the 'true' God?

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I think that we should all get together on this thread, and 'intend' something cool into existence.
I've suggested stuff like this before, but nobody takes the idea up.

So what do you say? What shall we create?

* Note * We should think of something unusual and unique to lessen the chances of some other group 'un-intending' our intentions, something observable world wide, and easy to start off with. Any suggestions?

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by AwakeInADream (here)
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I think that we should all get together on this thread, and 'intend' something cool into existence.
I've suggested stuff like this before, but nobody takes the idea up.

So what do you say? What shall we create?

* Note * We should think of something unusual and unique to lessen the chances of some other group 'un-intending' our intentions, something observable world wide, and easy to start off with. Any suggestions?

A group intention that some mainstream journalist or other can find the courage and the psychological strength and a sufficiently strong commitment to doing right even if it affects their career. That's one suggestion. We've already seen things that have happened as a result of Wikileaks and also the whole News Of The World breakthrough. Why not intend more like that? It doesn't need to be too specific -- the 6D world, which is the world of intentions, is formless after all, and therefore very flexible.

I doubt such intention could be "cancelled out" by opposite intentions. That's partly because there's already lots of background noise there that's been intending the opposite for a long time.

But the big reason it can't really be cancelled out has to do with the power of truth. Truth is "asymmetric", in the sense that the more lies a person tells, the more extra lies they have to keep telling to keep the illusion up. Moreover, any journalist knows in their mind what the (real) truth is. Journalists are trained to professionally analyze and research and sniff out what the real truth might be.

[AwakeInADream]

Agreed! A mainstream journalist WILL have the courage to speak some uncomfortable truth to the world!

Let's keep our eye's peeled on the worlds media!

Can we set a time limit on this? Say within 7 days?

EDIT: I BELIEVE! I BELIEVE! I BELIEVE! I BELIEVE! I BELIEVE! I BELIEVE! I BELIEVE! I BELIEVE!

As Captain Jean-Luc Pickard would say 'Make It So!'

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by AwakeInADream (here)
Agreed! A mainstream journalist WILL have the courage to speak some uncomfortable truth to the world!

Let's keep our eye's peeled on the worlds media!

Can we set a time limit on this? Say within 7 days?

Not seven days. Maybe the next six or nine months. You have to give the journalist(s) the space to handle everything in their lives that might be connected, and also to time things in such a way that the truth "accidentally" comes out publicly -- as I believe was the case with The News Of The World.

It would help, though, to have an intention that the news story would be something that would deeply reveal truth regarding some certain area, and that the journalist will find a way to get it on the record in such a way that it's mostly undeniable.

[TraineeHuman]

Some more about how intentions work. In the long run it’s crazy to direct negative or evil intentions towards anyone else. Let me explain.

Well, first a true story. A number of years ago a journalist decided to interview half a dozen of the black magicians in his country who had a reputation for being the “best”. I don’t remember which country it was, but it was one of the countries where black magic is taken very seriously. It turned out that half a dozen of the “best” black magicians all lived in the one city. When the journalist met them, he was surprised to find that they all were either on crutches or in a wheelchair. Not only that, but they all had other major physical problems, even though some of them had not reached middle age.

The journalist asked each of them why they looked like war veterans. The answer he received from all of them was that it was from curses some of their victims had placed on them in return for their foul deeds.

The moral here is, it’s very foolish to form any intention at all, and all the more foolish to focus one on anyone, unless you add the “clause” that you intend an outcome which is for the highest good of all involved -- which can mean the whole of humanity, or the whole of the planet. Why is this important? If you attempt to create something in 3D or 4D using an intention (which is always 6D), you are in effect creating an entity that has your intention, with its connections to you, as its 6D part, and connected to that there will be certain 4D and 5D parts, and probably 3D effects. If you create a harmful intention, the 3D effects might even be that some targeted individual will get killed, perhaps in a certain way such as a motor accident or a heart attack.

The trouble is, although your harmful intention may materialize and the targeted person even may die, that’s not the end of the story. You may have been more aware and more psychically powerful and more focused than your victim. But once the victim experiences part or all of the intended nasty consequences, he or she will become extremely aware and extremely focused in that particular area. This remains true even if your victim gets killed. So, even though you may be much more generally aware and had no trouble getting the first strike in, your victim now creates an extremely strong counter-intention – and keeps re-creating it all day long, all month long. The 4D and 5D components then quickly lose their ability to connect with the targeted individual. However, they are still connected in 6D to you. It’s now a situation where you are holding a lighted bomb in your hand whose fuse is about to blow, and when you try to throw the bomb at your victim again, it bounces back – or never leaves your hand.

As I've partly tried to explain with regard to multiple timelines and multiple incarnations of one HS, once an entity gets created with sufficient focus and force, it will work hard to keep materialising. And if it's too hard for it to materialise as intended, next in line is the black magician. I've seen it at work. Black or "gray" magicians or astral projectors will send out 5D robotic beings (that have a little awareness and consciousness, but not much) to try to ensure their evil will is done. Sometimes a whole little army of them, like clockwork soldiers. The robots can cause mischief quite effectively in "the first strike", which probably takes the victim by surprise. And then I see the clockwork soldiers turn on their master, sometimes not entirely leaving but working quietly but insidiously for years to undermine him or her.

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by AwakeInADream (here)
Agreed! A mainstream journalist WILL have the courage to speak some uncomfortable truth to the world!

... I BELIEVE! I BELIEVE! I BELIEVE! I BELIEVE! I BELIEVE! I BELIEVE!

As Captain Jean-Luc Pickard would say 'Make It So!'

Generally, the best way would be to send psychic healing "energy", and perhaps certain types of meditation "energy", with an intention such as the following.

It is to go to any journalists in a position to successfully and effectively disclose truly significant if not game-changing information to the public at large. It will heal the fears or other obstacles they have to being courageous and also shrewd regarding this, and will give them the clarity of insight to find a way to protect their careers as far as practicable without compromising the general impact of their information.

Some people seem to see affirmations as working through the repetition of just the thought, in the hope that that will make it materialize. I would see that as a 5D method. i recommend accessing psychic healing "energy", which flows seamlessly in from 8D and higher, and is therefore far more effective.

And don't worry, it will find the right journalists to give help to, even though you may have no idea who or where they might be.

[TraineeHuman]

Awake suggested trying to influence Obama by using intention. His suggestion was that he and I should “use intention” to hopefully influence Obama to choose a yellow tie for his public inauguration.

I found this too hard a feat to achieve, for the following reasons. Firstly, what I found was that Obama’s point of view on this subject was somehow strongly in conflict with my own. Since points of view come from the seventh dimension, they take precedence to intentions, which come from 6D.

Thus it may possibly be easy to assist a journalist (e.g. through sending them healing) to expose something important, because many journalists would no doubt privately have a point of view on many topics broadly similar to that of many Avalonians. Because of the shared viewpoint, these journalists would probably already nurture the kinds of intentions we would have in mind.

Adopting a particular point of view will lead to certain types of intentions. But it doesn’t generally work if you try to use intention to manipulate someone into adopting a point of view that you favor. And yet precisely that, combined with physical force, seems to be the strategy of every dictator and every corrupt politician and everyone from the NWO.

It’s impossible for such a strategy to work in the long term. What surprises me is that such a strategy apparently worked at some level in the Soviet empire for four decades. And that only in the last decade or two did the population learn to work to rule, and to follow every order and regulation so literally as to render it ridiculous. The lessons from the Soviet countries have no doubt by now been absorbed into the group consciousness of humanity, making everybody instinctively wiser in that area, thank goodness.

Going back to my OB visit to Obama, I found that for him the choice of his tie color on that occasion was some professional advisor’s province, and he wasn’t willing to listen to anyone else. I then offered the suggestion that he in his speech might like to include an obvious reference to the fact that when it comes to policy he does what he’s told. For a moment Obama admitted it would be nice if he could do that publicly. Then I saw many different shutters and blinds coming down. All the blinds and shutters had slits or rows of dots that let a small amount of light through, but basically they left him in darkness, and he knew it did.

[AwakeInADream]

So influencing Obama, even in a positive way may be a lost cause, because he is so obviously strongly influenced by 'other' forces?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=orzK__Ok33o

Still, he did stutter at the 14 second mark.

Would sending healing to Obama do any good at all?

I'd still like to think that he could awaken, and 'do the right thing'.

Focusing on a journalist may be much easier for now, to lightly tip the scales on the conscience that is already there, and to send courage and strength.

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by AwakeInADream (here)
Is it possible that a 'Guru' with no power, can obtain power simply from his followers belief that he has supernatural powers?

That what starts out as a bluff can then turn into reality?

The expression 'fake it till you make it' comes to mind...

And in this way, a false religion could be started, and that a Demon could obtain God-like powers from the belief of his followers that he is the 'true' God? ...

We base most of our choices on very inadequate information. I see this as a problem to do with points of view rather than intentions. And it doesn't only apply to false gurus -- which is what most so-called gurus certainly are.

Even when we successfully break free of any control matrix and we get our rights to free choice recognised, we have to choose but almost never have enough information to know what the chances are our choice is the best one.

Still, we have to take the plunge. We have to take a position, rather blindly hoping that it's a good one. We all have to have a career in some field or other, and some partner to share our lives with.

I seem to come across one form of this problem very often on this Forum. How do you make it real to someone how inexperienced or ignorant you consider they may seem to be, without in any way offending their precious ego? And how do you get them to begin to look at the possibility of the vastness of how much they don't know?

As Einstein observed: the more we know, the more fully we come to realize how little we actually do know.

Points of view are 7D. Obtaining greater quality of them is an issue to do with things that are 8D and higher.

[AwakeInADream]

Some small success to report on the OBE front, I had another partial one.
Last time I only managed to get my hands out and I could see but this time was different.

I was laying on my side on the couch and I fell asleep but then woke up very quickly,
and as I lay very still I began to feel a tugging on the back of my head and upper back.
This was followed by a very loud rushing wind sound, and I was suddenly half out of my body through the back of my head.

It was a little strange because I couldn't see anything since my spirit eyes must have been in the centre
of my skull in darkness, but I knew I was half out and I knew that I could go fully out if I just allowed the
tugging sensation to pull me a little further.

The only thing that stopped me was that I could feel a presence that I didn't like,
also then I began to hear a man raising his voice in anger some distance away.
This wasn't anything to do with me since I don't think he'd noticed me, but it made me wary.

I still wanted to go further out though so I thought that if my guardian angel and spirit guide where there
I would feel safer, so I called them, but nothing happened.

I was able to repeat this process about three times in a row of getting back in,
and then partly out again through the back of my head making sure that I lay still once I was back in.
(although last time I went out front and I could see, this time whilst I couldn't see, I did seem to have an extra perception that I can't really describe, like I knew what stuff looked like without seeing it)

I am encouraged by this slight success, but at the same time I think I may have been in an unpleasant
part of the astral world, and I'm a little disappointed that when I call my guides in that no-one ever comes.

Is it possible that, because I've only ever achieved a partial result, that perhaps I'm using the wrong body?

Perhaps I'm moving the etheric body slightly out of line with the physical?
Which I think may be dangerous, since I believe the etheric is only supposed to leave upon death.(Not sure here??)
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(as I'm writing this I'm getting a very strange DeJaVu feeling, like I've written the exact same thing before)
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EDIT: I remember that last time that my hands were see-through but still felt physical (I could clap) , would this indicate an etheric or an astral body?

Also TH, I have been doing the exercise a lot lately where you feel what it's like to be alive and then expand that awareness to fill the room. This may have helped, but I can't seem to find the post, do you know the post number?

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by AwakeInADream (here)
... I was laying on my side on the couch and I fell asleep but then woke up very quickly,
and as I lay very still I began to feel a tugging on the back of my head and upper back.
This was followed by a very loud rushing wind sound, and I was suddenly half out of my body through the back of my head.

I'm glad you appreciated it was you yourself that was doing the tugging. Someone sent me a PM wondering who was tugging their legs when they were returning to their body -- but it would have been themselves, or maybe an entity they had themselves created because of their own great fear of travelling too far out.
"Half out" of your body? You can only be in or out, for these purposes. So, may I suggest you were already out?

It was a little strange because I couldn't see anything since my spirit eyes must have been in the centre
of my skull in darkness ...

No, you couldn't see anything because you hadn't turned the lights on, so to speak. Others on this thread seem to have learnt to do that quite easily just by saying something like: "Awareness now!"

The only thing that stopped me was that I could feel a presence that I didn't like. ...I still wanted to go further out though so I thought that if my guardian angel and spirit guide where there I would feel safer, so I called them, but nothing happened.
... I am encouraged by this slight success, but at the same time I think I may have been in an unpleasant
part of the astral world, and I'm a little disappointed that when I call my guides in that no-one ever comes.

Probably your guardian angels and guide thought you were quite capable of handling the situation yourself, and learning from it. And as Justoneman would say, maybe you need to find a way to feel more positive if you encounter what seems like a negative being or a negative situation. As soon as you manage to think or be positive, you'll be meeting a different type of being. Maybe you just need to get used to not being frightened merely at being in the astral? More practice?

Is it possible that, because I've only ever achieved a partial result, that perhaps I'm using the wrong body?
Perhaps I'm moving the etheric body slightly out of line with the physical?
Which I think may be dangerous, since I believe the etheric is only supposed to leave upon death.(Not sure here??)

More worrying and negativity. In 4D you think positive and normally that materialises straight away. As it says somewhere in the Old Testament: "That which I feared has come upon me." And the opposite is also true.

...I have been doing the exercise a lot lately where you feel what it's like to be alive and then expand that awareness to fill the room. This may have helped, but I can't seem to find the post, do you know the post number?

Post #114. I wish more people would do it. It's so simple, yet profound.

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by AwakeInADream (here)
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I've heard it said lately that 'the veil is thinning', so I'm wondering if this is true as a physical fact?
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Is it really becoming easier as time progresses to see into the higher dimensions?

And also is it getting easier for higher beings to manifest in this one?

First of all, only the 3D world is physical. However, physicality itself is just a very dense layer of Mind or Great Spirit.
Some things did happen around late December. It's not that 3D astronomical phenomena (something physical) were responsible for changing higher D worlds. Rather, the higher D worlds all managed to penetrate more, or reach more, or see more, into the 3D world in this part of the galaxy. Why? Because the physical world in this part of the galaxy has temporarily become less messy, so to speak.
I believe we are all here to spiritualize the physical -- to very gradually recreate a better model of physicality (or "matter") itself.

[AwakeInADream]

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)
A shortcut to experiencing both your selves, the OB and the conventional, is the following exercise. I’m extremely interested to hear if anybody can learn to do this who isn’t an experienced meditator, or a professional in the arts or sports or some other creative field (who has therefore learnt how to work fluently with their intuition). Anybody who tries and fails -- please feel free to share what you experience.

The exercise – which was invented by the late Barry Long -- has two stages. The first stage is what Tolle calls “feeling the aliveness”.

As Barry described it, the first stage involves firstly getting yourself grounded. (There are many ways to get rounded. One simple way is to sit with your thumb touching your belly button and your hand flat against your belly in such a way that the palm of your hand is over your center of gravity, your second chakra.)

Secondly, ask yourself how it really feels simply to be alive. Tune into that feeling. If you are calm and grounded, it will at the very least be a feeling of OK-ness, if not of profound and peaceful joy.

Once you have gotten used to the first stage, the second stage is to allow that good feeling inside all of you to spread all around you, filling the room you are in. Remember, in post #102 I mentioned how the astral body is really the inner “body”. This exercise involves being aware of that “body” as lying both outside of your physical body and also, at the same time, inside of your physical body, where it always can be found. In other words, it involves expanding your astral body so that you can feel its goodness not only inside but all around you.

I suggest this is an ingenious exercise because it is based on asking the simplest and most basic of all questions, namely, how does it truly, deeply feel just to be alive? Because of the simplicity of that question, the question takes you straight to the core of what Buddhists call your Buddha nature, i.e. your true nature.

Thank's TraineeHuman! This is the one

I'm just bringing this exercise to the front as it has been very valuable to me, but also I have found it to be adaptable.

You see it's been snowing here in the UK recently, and whilst I was walking in it I noticed how irritated I was becoming. The snow was hitting me in just the right spot in the neck so as to get under my clothes and I was getting very cold and angry at the weather lol!

As I was walking I thought of this exercise, and decided to try it then and there. I suppose that there is nothing more grounding than being blasted by snow, so I moved on to observe how it truly felt to be alive in my body, and to my surprise it still felt quite good even with the snow. Then as I expanded my awareness and this feeling into my surroundings, I felt my perceptions to be totally transformed, even the way I saw the landscape. Of course it took a much more sustained effort to stay like this, but it was worth it.

This exercise is nothing short of mind over matter!

[TraineeHuman]

Awake has been kind enough to quote all of post #114 in post #255 just above.

As mentioned in that post, this exercise, even in its first stage, enables a person to just temporarily experience what spiritual enlightenment feels like. The main difference is that this experience is temporary rather than making any permanent change. But that's also quite something, as Awake so eloquently describes in the post just above.

It’s almost so simple, I hesitate to conceptualize about it. The primary thing is to experience it. We can all do it. It’s not hard.

I do remember hearing a tape of a lecture in the seventies by a Californian so-called Zen Master. He said it usually took him fifteen to twenty minutes of sitting still to get his mind still before he could meditate properly. So, if you need that long to get your mind still, do that first. Personally, I often only get to meditate for ten to fifteen minutes a day. I can’t afford to fiddle around, but get straight to it in the first minute. But if you need fifteen minutes to get still and grounded before you do this exercise, than do that first.

Sirdipswitch has mentioned, in at least I think three posts in the thread he started, that for him the main benefit of OB experience was that it helped him experience (spiritual) enlightenment. So, I hope that helps make it clearer why I consider the daily practice of this exercise is so important.

Please also note (further to post #120) that your “inner body” is what survives death – unless, that is, you’ve learnt how to OB travel without any “body”, or you’ve otherwise freed yourself of the belief that you need some type of body in order to exist. In that case, when you die the “inner you” remains, and soon goes to 6D and freedom from any need to reincarnate in the physical.

If you look deeply enough, you’ll see that how you can know the answer to the question “Who/what/(how) am I, in the deepest sense of “I”?” is exactly the same as with the answer to the question “How does it feel simply to be alive?”

[TraineeHuman]

I’d like to make some comments about NLP, and also about its “releasing” technique.

As I understand it, NLP (note: the P is for programming – it’s all programming) is based on the (knowingly) false idea that one’s choice of words completely determines the reality one experiences.

NLP has scripts for everything. E.g., the script for a counsellor says all the things a very compassionate counsellor would say. So, anybody can memorize and then use such a script to fake being a good counsellor, provided they are a good actor, and good at (usually) being a fraud.

I have a considerable conceptual background, including a degree in psychology and a degree in social work and a postgrad degree in philosophy (plus experience working in those fields). I’m quite aware of some very sound reasons, in addition to the one I’ve already described, why the psychological community generally rejects NLP as charlatanism.

But there are other reasons as well. I also have had a huge amount of hands-on training in psychotherapy and counselling, I guess most of it from alternative sources. Suffice it to say that in all my experience, the kind of breakthrough I have seen scores of individuals get from the NLP “release” is altogether superficial to say the least, in comparison to anything to do with spiritual enlightenment. Two years of such “releasing” won’t begin to get anyone near enlightenment – in my professional observation. Don’t listen to amateurs!

“Releasing” won’t provide an experiential understanding of what enlightenment is like. But the exercise discussed in post #256 does do this.

[AwakeInADream]

Don't you see any value in NLP at all?

I kind of like Bandler and Grinders early work.(I've not heard of 'releasing')

It's not spiritual, but then I see the mechanical (and sometimes problematic) part of the mind as something that you have to tame and put out of the way, before you can make any real progress spiritually. I think that a few NLP concepts can compliment the spiritual path quite well, without getting too carried away that is. I can see the danger though if one were to rely solely on NLP, without adding a separate spiritual component.

I think that once you begin to see how easy it is to fool your own mind, then this can help you to see the difference between what is the 'real you' and what is simply programming. I guess I'm probably thinking about NLP in way that was never intended by Bandler and Grinder though.

[TraineeHuman]

The following is a quote from Sri Aurobindo’s Letters on Yoga , pp. 397-398:

“What has to be done [with regard to the hostile forces] is to come to live in the Power that these things, these disturbing elements cannot penetrate or, if they penetrate, cannot disturb, and to be so purified and strengthened by it that there is in oneself no response to anything hostile.

“If there is a protecting envelopment, an inward purifying descent and, as a result, a settling of the higher consciousness in the inner being and finally, its substitution even in the most external outwardly active parts in place of the old ignorant consciousness, then the world and the hostile forces will no longer matter – for one’s own soul at least; for there is [also] a larger work not personal in which of course they will have to be dealt with …”

This sort of attainment of inner Power may at first sound way too ambitious, or too hard, to achieve. Yet it seems to me that Chester has worked out that achieving this Power is his eventual goal. He also seems to have worked out that he can realistically do it, and that he seems to be about halfway there. In some ways, no doubt, he is already there. (It’s also great to see somebody working with so much inspiration (9D) and insights (8D).)

Certainly he is sufficiently there that he presumably no longer fears – well, anything, practically. Certainly – if I understand correctly -- he does not have any problem regarding meeting negative beings or entities in his lucid dreams. If nothing else works, he knows how to wake himself up quickly and be quite out of the bad dream.

This, then, is the best answer I can come up with regarding anyone’s fears or feelings of unsafeness with regard to OB travel – apart from also protecting oneself and grounding oneself beforehand.

If Chester can do it, after the very tough childhood he went through, surely others of you can too, if you work on yourselves in somewhat a similar way to what Chester has done and continues to do. I don’t believe it’s necessary to develop yourself to the point where negative forces don’t make the least impression on you at all. But maybe you can learn to stay strong enough that negative forces don’t have the ability to upset you so much any more. For me, daily meditation has been and remains a powerful way to fill oneself up with positivity, so to speak, that is perhaps too strong to be overcome by the miseries of the jungle we know as civilization.

But really, I don’t care how you do it. Just get yourself into a very positive space (where you still have control of your faculties). From there, practice astral travel or OB travel, and the scary entities and beings will leave you alone. At least, that’s been my experience.

[soleil]

hi TH and everyone, I know i stepped away from this thread a while back...but heres me checking in. I have been spending a lot of time reading many (different) things. I have learned without knowing how (in short) to be aware of my intentions which you related to 6D+. i have also been working on detachment and letting go of ego. which i think has allowed me to deconstruct my fears and 'grok' them at the same time. (sending them to source) has been working for me as well, when i am short on time, and cannot deconstruct my feelings in those moments.
i have also been working on my energy body - im learning how to activating it, feeling it, moving it, etc.
can you perhaps go into detail about abilities in 6D+? and also how often is it necessary to repeat protective affirmations etc? (wakeytweaky and LB i recommend robert bruce, about psychic protection) i just started it, and it seems very appropriate. TH do you oppose this recommendation/book?

TH, i want to add, i've noticed something that i am not sure what it is, but may be related to GA, or HS. when i close my eyes at night i see a BLINDING white light from the corner of my eyes (when they are closed). when i open them the light is gone..??