Barack Obama 2013

[Conchis]

Well all that really means is that there are a bunch of unemployed military officers out here in the masses with the rest of us if folks start getting shot.

[Referee]

This also adds to the debate very concerning!

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=9Lm5msF1VSs

[deridan]

Thank-you Rahkyt,
(making other ridicules seeming snipets like Medvedev's mib reference more sensible)

The World Economic Forum is certainly the place to address this,
as it could HELP us (and not us as us versus the governments/they versus us, let us hope to move away from the dual to the mono)
formulate what should be global [economic]agendas

i thought that Eisenhowers meetings where to do the following. deny nordic help which was 'spiritual so as to control ober tech', and accept grey help,
but the phrasing of allowing agendas of nordics to proceed as was (without interference for that would be able to cripple a government which wrongly interferes with a superior)

if this is open
and beyond the banal media sphere to even stupider public influadim

then much more accurating questions would have to be addressed. going beyond singular government secrecies, what is the overall agenda,
how does this affect a world-wide focus of humanity with regard to what its economic imperitives should be.

most of all i think selfish 'bankster illuminaries' should let go of wanting to exploit this fish tank,
in every histroy book i've read, the one whos citizens were not expansive, were the ones that lost,
so ttotal expansion in every facet is what is neccassary

[modwiz]

I picked up this little blurb from a Post by Duff at VT:

''Now, letters are being circulated, telling us that President Obama is ordering the military to put commanders in position who are willing to attack American citizens to take away guns.
These stories are fantasies, but they are everywhere.''

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/01...-confiscation/

[Dennis Leahy]

Unfortunately, James Garrow is so completely ignorant of what the words "Marxism" and "socialism" mean, (showing his scar tissue from a pattern of brainwashing from the 1950's "Red Scare" tactics), that he invalidates himself. This sounds as ignorant as Glen Beck or Rush Limbaugh. There are no socialists in Washington DC. The brilliant writer Chris Hedges describes the Dark Ideology that has taken root "Inverted Totalitarianism", but I think the average person will understand the gist of the ideology better if called "corporatism" (which also underscores the collusion between government and corporate empires.) Ask any socialist if Obama is even remotely socialist, and they will laugh.

The US government tied to international bankers and supranational corporations is as far from socialism as possible. It doesn't matter if you agree with socialism or don't agree with socialism - it is that someone is so ignorant of what socialism means that when they are angry at Obama (with plenty of good reasons, that could have been articulated), they resort to calling him a Marxist or socialist.

I found the initial alarm/whistleblowing (that US military officers wer being tested to see if they will acquiesce to and pass down orders to shoot US citizens) to be important "news", but the rest of what Garrow had to say so discredits his credibility that it makes me wonder if his "source" is Sorcha Faal.

Dennis

{edit} I went to bed last night with my post half completed, and finished it just now, without reading any more posts. I now see that indeed, this comes from Sorcha Faal, (thanks, Rocky), and have to laugh at my gullibility in taking it seriously at all.

[Operator]

Posted by Rahkyt (here)
The WEF (The Forum) is a Swiss non-profit foundation, based in Cologny, Geneva and describes itself as an independent international organization committed to improving the state of the world by engaging business, political, academic and other leaders of society to shape global, regional and industry agendas.

This says it all I guess. Another think-tank like organization wanting to influence agendas.

I was checking out the material from this thread: The Vatican, NASA, The Lucifer Telescope & Nibiru/Nemesis!

In the Hagmann report Tom Horn and Steve Quayle are spending
3 hours to prove that disclosure is coming soon. I think that whatever is coming is just another spin for more control ... no real
disclosure, an 'adapted to serve the agenda' one.

However, this attempt will let the genie out of the bottle. Then it is up to the rest of mankind to correct the manipulation.
I think that the whole gun grab is related to this too. In the web-bot report a farmer shooting at aliens is mentioned.
If (fake) aliens show up you cannot have (deceived) armed citizens shooting, wounding, killing them. That may reveal what
is really going on.

I think these are the signs for their preparations. Interesting times ahead.

[markpierre]

What, are these guys all so honorable that they couldn't have imagined that kind of question? Or not know how to answer it tacticly?

[Operator]

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)

Complements of Sorcha...

no sense hiding sources...

Besides it would be a dangerous move ... It is a double edged sword. You never know which Americans they will shoot first!
Maybe they'll start with a select few ...

[RMorgan]

This information was first posted on Sorcha Faal´s website:

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1649.htm

Sorcha Faal is a disinformation agent and can´t be trusted.

If you think there´s any purpose behind such article but to spread more lies, well, I don´t think so.

Sorcha Faal is the most stupid disinfo agent out there. Everybody knows he´s a disinfo agent and he keeps publishing his nonsense frequently. He´s probably doing it all by himself and is not connected to any agency.

Anyway, there was no mysterious purpose behind any of his articles before and I believe this one is no exception. It´s just pure fabricated nonsense.

Don´t expect anyone to disclose the alien issue but the aliens themselves.

No government will admit that they´ve been lying for more than 60 years. It would ruin their already extremely fragile credibility.

Raf.

[Flash]

Posted by Arrowwind (here)
If the Chinese think that Obama is a traitor to the US people maybe it will be the Chinese who save us?
That would be a switch-a-roo!

the Chinese will never save Americans or anyone else. This is a harsh communist regime, American have nooooo idea what it is to live under a dictatorship even though they have been dictators themselves abroad. Chinese will do what is good for the Chinese government, period. It is the most corrupted country in the world, plus a harsh dictatorship, this is saying it all.

America became extremely corrupt, yet, it is less than in China.

The only ones who will save America are the Americans, no one else.

[RMorgan]

Posted by Flash (here)
The only ones who will save America are the Americans, no one else.

Yeah...I guess the US don´t have many international friends right now, since it´s by far the most hated country in the world.

It would be better to leave the US if things start to get really hot up there.

Let´s face it; With or without assault rifles, the American people have no chance against predator drones, jet fighters, tanks, bombs and everything else.

I really hope that nothing like this ever happens, because it would be a massacre 100 times bigger than the holocaust.

Be safe guys.

Raf.

[Fred Steeves]

Posted by RMorgan (here)

Let´s face it; With or without assault rifles, the American people have no chance against predator drones, jet fighters, tanks, bombs and everything else.

I really hope that nothing like this ever happens, because it would be a massacre 100 times bigger than the holocaust.

Be safe guys.

I don't really see safety as being the prime concern Raf, but I know what you mean, and thanks.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=qq8zFLIftGk

[TigaHawk]

I dont think it will matter if the people whom give the orders to kill US citizens obey or not.

It alll comes down to the people on the front lines whom actually have to pull the trigger. They may do so to begin with, but when their own loved ones start getting killed by other military for not giving up their arms, and word gets back, expect it to change for the worst for TPTB.

[RMorgan]

Posted by TigaHawk (here)
I dont think it will matter if the people whom give the orders to kill US citizens obey or not.

It alll comes down to the people on the front lines whom actually have to pull the trigger. They may do so to begin with, but when their own loved ones start getting killed by other military for not giving up their arms, and word gets back, expect it to change for the worst for TPTB.

Hey mate,

The problem is that, usually, in dictatorship regimes, soldiers who refuse to follow orders are shot on the spot.

So, it´s a kill or get killed situation.

Raf.

[Operator]

Posted by TigaHawk (here)
I dont think it will matter if the people whom give the orders to kill US citizens obey or not.

It alll comes down to the people on the front lines whom actually have to pull the trigger.

Problem is that most might do that. I can't find a link right now but the french once investigated how cruel people could become.
There was a kind of quiz and when people gave the wrong answer the real test subjects had to give the contestant an electric
shock. They could hear the agony and pain they inflicted and were even instructed to increase voltage after a series of wrong
answers. Main conclusion from that investigation was that most people are willing to commit crimes and cross lines as long as
a higher authority takes responsibility for it.

Another problem is that they will do everything possible not to have 'people' in the front lines. When they dress them in fancy
uniforms and label them with 'special' forces or anything else 'special' some forget they are human too. Look how the TSA is
wearing matching blue rubber gloves or when I went through Canadian immigration the guy checking passports was wearing
black gloves. They will make sure it is very deviant from skin color to make them look more like machines or robots.

Posted by TigaHawk (here)
They may do so to begin with, but when their own loved ones start getting killed by other military for not giving up their arms, and word gets back, expect it to change for the worst for TPTB.

Well that's why control of information flow is of utmost importance. When there is chaos communication will cease by nature.

[Arrowwind]

Posted by Flash (here)

Posted by Arrowwind (here)
If the Chinese think that Obama is a traitor to the US people maybe it will be the Chinese who save us?
That would be a switch-a-roo!

the Chinese will never save Americans or anyone else. This is a harsh communist regime, American have nooooo idea what it is to live under a dictatorship even though they have been dictators themselves abroad. Chinese will do what is good for the Chinese government, period. It is the most corrupted country in the world, plus a harsh dictatorship, this is saying it all.

America became extremely corrupt, yet, it is less than in China.

The only ones who will save America are the Americans, no one else.

Oh Flash, I was trying to be Sardonic.

[Arrowwind]

Posted by Operator (here)

Posted by TigaHawk (here)
I dont think it will matter if the people whom give the orders to kill US citizens obey or not.

It alll comes down to the people on the front lines whom actually have to pull the trigger.

Problem is that most might do that. I can't find a link right now but the french once investigated how cruel people could become.
There was a kind of quiz and when people gave the wrong answer the real test subjects had to give the contestant an electric
shock. They could hear the agony and pain they inflicted and were even instructed to increase voltage after a series of wrong
answers. Main conclusion from that investigation was that most people are willing to commit crimes and cross lines as long as
a higher authority takes responsibility for it.

I have a friend who was in the military for over twenty years. He was a pilot for the army. He said once they did a survey to see how many military people would fire on Americans. The total was 77%. I dont recall how long ago this was, but Im thinking in the 80's. He said it freaked the sh^t out of him. Then one day they were having a big meeting of his unit and they were asked if they would be willing to wear the blue hat on missions. Everyone just stood there until finally he stood up and said "hell no way. I signed on to serve the US not a foreign power" after he did that alot of the guys then said they would refuse.

There needs to be leaders in the general rank and file as well as brass who will just keep their mouths shut when it comes to these questions. They must become wolves in sheeps clothing to be ready to defend our constitution.

[humanalien]

What does the blue hat mean? A fighter under UN control?

[Operator]

Posted by Arrowwind (here)
he stood up and said "hell no way. I signed on to serve the US not a foreign power"

Well, it's a bit ironic but he probably didn't realize what he said then.
He should not serve the US either ... he rather should have said the (American) People.

[Referee]

Posted by humanalien (here)
What does the blue hat mean? A fighter under UN control?

Yes this is Correct.....for drills