What controls the hologram?

[heyokah]

Paul, thank you for all the time and effort you have been putting into this thread by giving your personal interpretations of what has been presented here in the form of videos, articles and statements.....

Add.....but don't ask me to agree with you ..... ;-)

[Hervé]

Observer,

What I find disconcerting is that the whole premise on which you intend to direct this thread is based on this :

Posted by observer (here)
Applying Quantum Theory To Understanding This Particular Reality


FOUNDATIONAL UNDERSTANDING:

In the world of quantum physics, matter does not exist unless it is being observed.

... This fact of quantum physics has been shown to be a reproducible phenomenon in countless variations of a physics experiment known as The Double-Slit Experiment, or Young's Interference Experiment.

This Double-Slit Experiment has been re-tested in numerous physics labs all over the planet, always with the same results - objective results. The conclusions of this experiment are, just as previously stated, "matter does not exist unless it is being observed".

Which doesn't stand to scrutiny as I summarized here:

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
If you refer to the Double Slit Experiment and Young's Interference Experiment, then I indeed am talking apple with respect to apples since the "photon" strange behavior of either a particle or a wave started the whole thing and was the base for similar experiments yielding similar results for electrons behaving either as waves or as particles

Now, if you watch the video I posted, the video uploader demonstrate the same pattern applying to all "particles" from photon to galaxies... so, again, I am comparing apples with apples: some small and some real big.

To claim that "matter does not exist unless it is being observed" is more than erroneous... "it's not even wrong" in the words of Jack Safartti since matter does exist as a condensation of energy flows whether it is observed or not; but, most of all, the double-slit experiment still yields identical results of wave/particles even with buckyballs.

One very plausible answer is explained in that video I posted as well as its two previous parts.

So, let me expand on that:

First, as Paul mentioned, the word "observed" is misleading since in the actual fact of the physicality of the experiment, it is physically being interfered with.

Second, arbitrarily separating photons from electron as being different is not supported by the fact that either photons or electrons behave in the same manner in the double-slit experiment which is an indication that both entities are built on a similar model. A plausible model is given by David Lapoint in his Primer Fields videos.

The only difference I see between photons and electrons is a degree of energy condensation. You know: E/C^2 = M as a close enough approximation.

Third, if "matter didn't exist unless observed," the whole subject of chemistry wouldn't exist.

This doesn't mean I don't understand what you are aiming at nor that matter can't be interfered with; after all, spoons can be bent when there are actual spoons

However, that brings us to a different field and that is the field of the mind in which one would have to thoroughly be cleared of all hypnotic trances in order to be able to observe "reality":

Cosmic Cointelpro Timeline

Agents of the world's elite have been long engaged in a war on the populace of Earth. Greed is the motivation for this war, a greed so pervasive that it encompasses the planet and all of the beings on it, but in recent times a philosophy has been used to justify that greed. It is the philosophy of mass control, that ultimately aims at dictating every aspect of human life - even remolding man's perception of reality and himself. [Jim Keith, Mass Control: Engineering Human Consciousness]


There is a little known fact about hypnosis that is illustrated by the following story:
A subject was told under hypnosis that when he was awakened he would be unable to see a third man in the room who, it was suggested to him, would have become invisible. All the "proper" suggestions to make this "true" were given, such as "you will NOT see so- and-so" etc... When the subject was awakened, lo and behold! the suggestions did NOT work.

Why? Because they went against his belief system. He did NOT believe that a person could become invisible.

So, another trial was made. The subject was hypnotized again and was told that the third man was leaving the room... that he had been called away on urgent business, and the scene of him getting on his coat and hat was described... the door was opened and shut to provide "sound effects," and then the subject was brought out of the trance.

Guess what happened?

He was UNABLE TO SEE the Third Man.

Why? Because his perceptions were modified according to his beliefs. Certain "censors" in his brain were activated in a manner that was acceptable to his ego survival instincts.

The ways and means that we ensure survival of the ego are established pretty early in life by our parental and societal programming. This conditioning determines what IS or is NOT possible; what we are "allowed" to believe in order to be accepted. We learn this first by learning what pleases our parents and then later we modify our belief based on what pleases our society - our peers - to believe.

Anyway, to return to our story, the Third Man went about the room picking things up and setting them down and doing all sorts of things to test the subject's awareness of his presence, and the subject became utterly hysterical at this "anomalous" activity! He could see objects moving through the air, doors opening and closing, but he could NOT see the SOURCE because he did not believe that there was another man in the room.

So, what are the implications of this factor of human consciousness? (By the way, this is also the reason why most therapies to stop bad habits do not work - they attempt to operate against a "belief system" that is imprinted in the subconscious that this or that habit is essential to survival.)

One of the first things we might observe is that everyone has a different set of beliefs based upon their social and familial conditioning, and that these beliefs determine how much of the OBJECTIVE reality anyone is able to access.

In the above story, the objective reality IS WHAT IT IS, whether it is truly objective, or only a consensus reality. In this story, there is clearly a big part of that reality that is inaccessible to the subject due to a perception censor which was activated by the suggestions of the hypnotist. That is to say, the subject has a strong belief, based upon his CHOICE as to who or what to believe - the hypnotist or his own, unfettered observations of reality. In this case, he has chosen to believe the hypnotist and not what he might be able to observe if he dispensed with the perception censor put in place by the hypnotist who activated his "belief center" - even if that activation was fraudulent.

And so it is with nearly all human beings: we believe the hypnotist - the "official culture" - and we are able, with preternatural cunning, to deny what is often right in front of our faces. And in the case of the hypnosis subject, he is entirely at the mercy of the "Invisible Man" because he chooses not to see him.

Here reproduced by Derren Brown:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=VTobS-09fBQ

[CD7]

One of the first things we might observe is that everyone has a different set of beliefs based upon their social and familial conditioning, and that these beliefs determine how much of the OBJECTIVE reality anyone is able to access.

I find this to b a good point...given this statement really emphasizes the ultimate importance of cultivating and educating the populace to create/see in a way tht expands horizons and breaks the chains of our narrow slit visions....in this hologram we are not creating to our highest potential

[Carmody]

after reading page one,a problem erupts.

An analogy that carries through:

objective evidence.

wave-particle is a component of this?

Objective means particle, no wave.

Subjective means wave.

So you want only particle evidence?

Am I getting this right?

That you want ....only imbalance, just half... as representative of all?

Would you like fries with that?

Observer, I truly do appreciate the effort, no disrespect intended. If continuance down the road of pure objectivity can carry people down into the rabbit hole, then so be it. Whatever road they take - is fine.

[heyokah]

Posted by heyokah (here)
Paul, thank you for all the time and effort you have been putting into this thread by giving your personal interpretations of what has been presented here in the form of videos, articles and statements.....

Add

.....but don't ask me to agree with you ..... ;-)

My reason to add the Add

The experiment, on the conclusion of which you gave your own personal interpretation (see your reply 120), came from chapter "The Most Amazing Experiment" , "BIOCENTRISM" by Robert Lanza M.D.

I want to end my participation to the discussion in this thread by showing again what was written in Wikipedia about BIOCENTRISM. See my comment 110


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Some physicists have commented that biocentrism currently does not make testable predictions.
Dr. Vinod Kumar Wadhawan and Ajita Kamal responded to the idea by stating that "The biocentrism approach does not provide any new information about the nature of consciousness, and relies on ignoring recent advances in understanding consciousness from a scientific perspective."
Biologist PZ Meyers supported their views as well. Arizona State University physicist Lawrence Krauss stated, “It may represent interesting philosophy, but it doesn't look, at first glance, as if it will change anything about science."
In USA Today Online, theoretical physicist and science writer David Lindley asserted that Lanza’s concept was a "vague, inarticulate metaphor" and stated that "I certainly don't see how thinking his way would lead you into any new sort of scientific or philosophical insight. That's all very nice, I would say to Lanza, but now what? I [also] take issue with his views about physics."

Richard Conn Henry, Professor of Physics and Astronomy at Johns Hopkins University writing for the Journal of Scientific Exploration said: “What Lanza says in this book is not new. Then why does Robert have to say it at all? It is because we, the physicists, do NOT say it––or if we do say it, we only whisper it, and in private––furiously blushing as we mouth the words.......... True, yes; politically correct, hell no!”....


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[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by heyokah (here)

Posted by heyokah (here)
Paul, thank you for all the time and effort you have been putting into this thread by giving your personal interpretations of what has been presented here in the form of videos, articles and statements.....

Add

.....but don't ask me to agree with you ..... ;-)

My reason to add the Add

The experiment, on the conclusion of which you gave your own personal interpretation (see your reply 120), came from chapter "The Most Amazing Experiment" , "BIOCENTRISM" by Robert Lanza M.D.

I am not disagreeing with this biocentrism . It may well have an essential truth.

I'm just saying that such truth as there may be there is not there because of the results of these dual slit experiments.

My comments are on the physics, not on the role or nature of higher levels of consciousness.

Just because I don't think that B is true because A is true (on the grounds that A isn't true) doesn't mean I am taking a position on B one way or the other. Here "A" are the results of these dual slit experiments, and "B" is such positions on biocentrism as you're are commenting on.

I have seen this dichotomy before in such discussions. I tear down flaws in the physical science results, and people who are using (incorrectly in my view) those physical science results to "prove" some higher principles react as if I am attacking those higher principles, which I'm not doing.

If you said you knew that your cousin was in the south of France right now because he just telephoned you and told you that, and if I then pointed out that the telephone line has been down for the last day so he couldn't have telephoned you, that doesn't mean I am claiming your cousin is not in the south of France. He may well be there (he just didn't phone you to say that.)

[passiglight]

ahhhh,,, the computer game of life experience, held in the cosmic hologram of earth.....

we log on when we are born into the game and we log off when we depart.

to go to the next level as in any computer game we have to complete all the "stages"

that particular game is ended when all levels are completed within that game.

we even play the game from the outside just as with a playstation game for example.

cosmic game of love

[CD7]

Posted by passiglight (here)
ahhhh,,, the computer game of life experience, held in the cosmic hologram of earth.....

we log on when we are born into the game and we log off when we depart.

to go to the next level as in any computer game we have to complete all the "stages"

that particular game is ended when all levels are completed within that game.

we even play the game from the outside just as with a playstation game for example.

cosmic game of love

I just wish when i logged on and starting playing the game, i knew my IDENTITY.....and wht i was doing!?

[heyokah]

Posted by Paul (here)
If you said you knew that your cousin was in the south of France right now because he just telephoned you and told you that, and if I then pointed out that the telephone line has been down for the last day so he couldn't have telephoned you, that doesn't mean I am claiming your cousin is not in the south of France. He may well be there (he just didn't phone you to say that.)

????

If I have spoken to my cousin, I have spoken to my cousin. Through a phone line or his cell phone.
You might have drawn your conclusions from false interpretations of messages through MSM. Maybe it was another phone line that was out of order.... Or it was your own phone that was out of order. Who says your information was right?
It was all your personal interpretation of what you had heard, read or assumed.

If I have spoken to my cousin.... I have spoken to my cousin .

Be well brother

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by heyokah (here)
If I have spoken to my cousin, I have spoken to my cousin. Through a phone line or his cell phone.

My analogy was a poor one. I was trying to concoct an analogy that showed I might accept your conclusions even if I knew that your justifications for them to be incorrect.

In the actual present case, you have not run those experiments. Not even the one's you are listening to have run them. You are taking someone else's interpretation of yet someone else's work as correct. That interpretation is wrong, as I have clearly demonstrated in several different ways. But that does not mean I am agreeing or disagreeing here with the views you hold regarding biocentrism or the nature of higher levels of consciousness. It just means I have shown that those physics experiments don't prove your views correct.

Please don't take my dismantling of the interpretations that Mr. Campbell presents of those double slit experiments as attacks on your views regarding biocentrism and such. They are not.

Please.

[Youniverse]

Posted by passiglight (here)
ahhhh,,, the computer game of life experience, held in the cosmic hologram of earth.....

we log on when we are born into the game and we log off when we depart.

to go to the next level as in any computer game we have to complete all the "stages"

that particular game is ended when all levels are completed within that game.

we even play the game from the outside just as with a playstation game for example.

cosmic game of love

Yeah I have a friend that often refers to people as game icons. Ones soul is the player I suppose. So of course, just like in any video game, the game icon is not really you at all. It is just a character you choose to play around with for awhile.

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Posted by CD7 (here)

Posted by passiglight (here)
ahhhh,,, the computer game of life experience, held in the cosmic hologram of earth.....

we log on when we are born into the game and we log off when we depart.

to go to the next level as in any computer game we have to complete all the "stages"

that particular game is ended when all levels are completed within that game.

we even play the game from the outside just as with a playstation game for example.

cosmic game of love

I just wish when i logged on and starting playing the game, i knew my IDENTITY.....and wht i was doing!?

Don't we all . Though I suppose there has to be a good reason why we don't.

[lookbeyond]

Shall we discuss the topic reguardless?- after all it is important-lb

[72MAV27]

nice thread. you guys are some smart "cats"
anyway im reading this from my computer at work which doesn't have the latest flash update so i couldn't watch the videos. but i did read the whole thread and about 95% of the comments. but i do have a pretty good knowledge base on the subject at hand

observer imho it's going to be extremly hard for you to get nothing but objective evidence to support anything. as you said yourself "each individuals experience within this particular reality is a wholly subjective interpretation of the quantum field of infinite potential"

i agree with that statement but i disagree with the opinion that so called "objective evidence" somehow is more valid or trumps "subjective evidence". in this reality we live in how many things can you really say are completly objective? imho very few. and of those very few most of the truly objective data in this reality revolves around numbers and mathematics.

you also said "In comparing apples to apples, everyone perceives an apple in a similar fashion, as is the case with all perceptions of elemental atomic structure within this particular reality" i also must respectfully disagree with that statement. there are plenty of people alive right now that preceive reality in ways that go against the mainstream. these people are usually diagnosed with some sort of mental disability or just flat out labled crazy. i wonder if that deters others who may preceive reality similarly from admitting to it for fear of the repercussions.

imho all tho science is to be repected and has given us countless revloutions and answered many questins for humanity. there is a flaw in thinking that the scientific method of obtaining "objective data" should be the only method to be taken is serious or factual. i actually have a very close friend and him and i argue/debate this all the time. he always tells me that using the scientific method is the only way to go because it gives only "objective data" and any claim must be faulsifiable. another one he always hits me with is "extraordinary claims must have extraordinary evidence to back them up" the funny thing is we actually agree on probly about 85% of things

but the flaw i see in science and the scientific method is that its always in a state of change and reinventing itself.(for lack of a better term). my friend thinks thats what makes it great. but i find that to be extremly limiting. that means that we must wait for science to make new discoveries and reinvent itself before we can move forward.

science tells us many things and then upon futher study and investigation it tells us they were wrong about that and they revise and amend previously held theories or beliefs. the problem is i or someone else might have already known through "subjective evidence" what science later finds out through use of the scientific method. right at this moment someone maybe proficient at telepathy or remote viewing and be laughed at because science has not siad(atleast publicly) that it is possible. so in 20 years when science finds out that it is possible is that person's "subjective data" validated?

anyway i'm ranting now. peace!

[observer]

In reply to 72MAV27's comment #133,

Although there are several previous comments that I would like to address, I will address this one, out of sequence, because it is so very relevant to the flow of this thread.

Thank you so much 72' for that comment.

Like your friend, I too am one of those millions of critical thinkers who needs the provable facts in order to 'certify' something to be verifiable. Please don't take this to mean that I reject all personal experiences as being artificial, this is simply not the case. I only ask those kinds of subjective testimonies (witnessing) be kept from this thread.

Allow me to explain why:
Over thirty years of my adult life was spent in faithful dedication to the channeled message. There is not one scintilla of objective evidence to confirm the source of these messages. For the individual doing the channeling, the source of those messages may appear quite benign. For the subscriber to the channeler, those interpretations are purely subjective. No one in the loop can confirm the messages from any particular source are not cleverly manipulated lies.

If one reviews a spectrum of reports regarding messages received from the Astral Plane/Quantum Field - dating back to the Dawn of Man - one will clearly see this phenomenon has been a cleverly manipulated lie. I include in this review, messages from seers, mediums, prophets, remote viewers, channelers, etc., as these semantics are all describing the same phenomenon.

The purpose of this thread is to discover provable facts, objective facts, that will demonstrate this Quantum Field/Astral Plane is being cleverly manipulated.

With regard to the "apples-to-apples" comparison, it was mentioned in the quote your provided, we are speaking of the commonality found in regard to "atomic structure", i.e., everyone perceives lead to be lead, gold to be gold, silver to be silver, etc. These are the "atomic structures" of the periodic table of elements. It is the combination of these elements that form the basis of all we see as, "being real".

How each individual interprets this commonality is purely a personal experience, and to be avoided as evidence in this investigation.


Allow us to move-on into this investigation, even though there may be those who contend the science behind the Holographic Universe Model is flawed. This assertion is simply not accurate. All one need do is spend some time researching the Holographic Universe Model, and one will quickly realize there are some brilliant minds (in all of the sciences, and in all aspects of life) subscribing to this concept.

[lightseeker]

Thanks Observer for your post. I was aware of much of what you have posted and I tend to look things from a Scientific view point. I guess it is the way I learn, or at least one of the ways I learn. Objective/Subjective, interesting. At the end of the day I incorporate what I believe to be true, through subjective experience.

But the scientific method does help me a lot in providing an understanding. In my universe everything is a work in progress. The search for truth (my truth) or my understanding of what I consider to be true is experienced subjectively. It works for me, until I expand my horizons (conciousness) and discover NEW THINGS! This sometimes alters my perception of what I understood as true before.

I discovered a website called wespenre.com. I think you might find it very interesting. Mr. Penre states in his opening monolgue that he is a researcher, ( like many of us), and that this is his journey. He asks people to come on this journey to see what he has discovered. The various levels of learning as he calls his papers are vast. I do not necessarily agree with all that he says, but it is his journey of discovery and understand.

What stands out in his writings is his research on the reptillian species the creators gods which created us. The holographic universe, according to Penre is the 4% univiverse in which we exist, it other words a limited grid of existance controlled by the lizies. The other 96% universe,( the void) is what we aspire to enter and unite with Source.
I suspect that the 4%/96% universe is most likely a metaphore within ourselves. It may refer to our 2 strands of DNA (4% universe), and what has been referred to as "junk DNA" (the 96%) universe. This is the part of us which needs to be awakened before we shatter the control matrix, as I understand it.

This is so much fun! The journeys we travel to understand ourselves and make sense of things are absolutely wonderful. I am still on the journey, at least while I inhabit this body. Something tells me even after I leave this body ( I will probably understand a lot more), but still on a journey.

[observer]

Some minor modifications have been made to the OP of this thread.

Some of the Holographic Workshop Videos were removed. Please read the qualifying caveat under where those videos were removed. (That notation has been in the OP since this thread was started.)

A new video has been added to further give understanding to the physics lab experiment that has provoked the development of what is being referred to in quantum physics as "The Holographic Universe Model".

I repost this new video, to readdress some of the issues brought-up in this thread:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=6xKUass7G8w

Please read the quote that can be found under the video in YouTube:

"So, what is the message of the quantum? I suggest we look at the situation from a new angle. We have learned in the history of physics that it is important not to make distinctions that have no basis -- such as the pre-Newtonian distinction between the laws on Earth and those that govern the motion of heavenly bodies. I suggest that in a similar way, the distinction between reality and our knowledge of reality, between reality and information, cannot be made. There is no way to refer to reality without using the information we have about it." ~Anton Zeilinger, inventor of quantum teleportation.

In reference to the current contention that the equipment components used in either the 'Eraser Experiment', or the 'Quantum Entanglement Experiment' are what is collapsing the wave-form, and therefore are interfering with the experiment, I would suggest any act of measurement, including all of the physical parts of the measuring device represents an "act of observation".

Observation, is what has been shown to collapse the wave-form into particles - regardless if it is a measurement using barium borate crystals (BBO), or a human brain. It continues to remain, the act of observation collapses the wave-form into a particle-form.

There has been much contention, here within this thread, as to whether the physics lab data is being correctly interpreted. One can find reams of documents on the internet that purport to point at different conclusions. The Holographic Universe Model is just one of the conclusions coming out of the "Double-Slit" experiment. To be a legitimate debunker of any conclusion, one must first of all apprise one's self of the details of that conclusion one finds objectionable. I simply ask those wishing to debunk the Holographic Universe Model to investigate the Model before making derailing statements within this thread.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Observer , a question if i may ( un loaded of course )

What is it that changes the particle when it is Observed ? what is the chemical or mental reaction when this happens to change it from nothing into being ? ( if i understand it correctly )

If i am correct in assuming i in any experiment is the inclusion of " intent " which is the observation. So would this be " subjective " changes made by intentt whilst observing ? would that lend to the theory that its outcome , in this instance , is largely subjective ? Or would two different people observing the same experiment create two different observations dependant on the individuals own intents and or observations ? Or do the coupled intents of the two make up a hybrid outcome seeing that their intent and observation was combined ?

Now getting away from the "facts" id like to describe what i saw when i Observed this machine , if you think its of any use to the thread. Let me know either way. I am genuinely interested in this subject matter and i have a lot to contribute with regard to experiments i have done to try to prove it to myself. My experiments are largely science fiction based in that they are not limited by anything. Science fiction after all is a pre cursor to science fact ( thank you princes armadala appearing in the movie Thor posing as a scientist )


Naniu

[Hervé]

Posted by observer (here)
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The purpose of this thread is to discover provable facts, objective facts, that will demonstrate this Quantum Field/Astral Plane is being cleverly manipulated.

[...]

How each individual interprets this commonality is purely a personal experience, and to be avoided as evidence in this investigation.


Allow us to move-on into this investigation, even though there may be those who contend the science behind the Holographic Universe Model is flawed. This assertion is simply not accurate. All one need do is spend some time researching the Holographic Universe Model, and one will quickly realize there are some brilliant minds (in all of the sciences, and in all aspects of life) subscribing to this concept.

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How can something built upon a flawed premise, to start with, not be flawed?

All one need do is spend some time researching the Holographic Universe Model, and one will quickly realize there are some brilliant minds (in all of the sciences, and in all aspects of life) subscribing to this concept.

A subscription to a hypothesis finds itself at the opposite end of "provable fact," i.e. entirely subjective. This according to your own guideline:

How each individual interprets this commonality is purely a personal experience, and to be avoided as evidence in this investigation.

Hence, I would suggest dropping a controversial and flawed premise in favor of a more suitable one since, IMO, it is not the objective, physical reality of this universe that's being manipulated but the way the human mind is perceiving it.

As I noted previously (see post # 122), in order for the human mind to perceive the objective reality of this universe the way it actually is; said human mind needs to be free from all types of hypnotic trances.

But, even then, the scientific method runs into a big stumbling block:

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
There is a fundamental problem in the scientific method that's been expounded by Carmody and that is: the repeatability of an exact same result under identical conditions.

The crux of scientific experiments on psychic phenomena reside on "identical conditions" since said conditions of the experiments involve duplicating the exact, identical mindsets around the experiment: THOUGHTS HAVE TO BE THE IDENTICAL SAME!

If the experimenter has counter-thoughts to the results obtained by the experimentee, after a few attempts the experimentee/subject of investigation is gona end up subconsciously saying something like: "To hell with it!"

In other words, the influence of the observer onto the observed.

Hence... mind control...

[observer]

This comment is in response to everything Amzer Zo has posted to date.

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Click-on the forwarding icon to see the content of Amzer Zo's comment #122.

I would suggest, Amzer, you haven't quite pealed-back your own personal "hypnotic trance" all the way, as yet. I have at least gotten you to stipulate to the fact that there is, here within this particular reality, an obvious and provable 'control mechanism' at work.

I was personally able to "break the spell" myself, when I came to the realization that, "everything we think we understand is a small part of a much bigger lie". Now.... I suppose I will have to tie-up pages of this thread with reams of documentation to prove to the members the validity of what I just said....

I am not willing to stipulate to the fact that it doesn't matter if we are comparing photons or electrons. Throwing everything at the single slit, from electrons to buckyballs, does produce a particle-form pattern under all the circumstances I've seen so far - except in the video series you presented. In your "Primer Field Videos", I didn't see the part where they spoke of electrons. The whole series is written around observations of photons. In fact, if I understood it correctly, the conclusion regarding the single-slit experiment revealed a wave form pattern with photons as well.

Now.... I grant the fact that photons may behave much like electrons, but I believe every member will agree they are not exactly the same thing. Does your Primer Field theory address the fact that when these photons, described as combined electromagnetic wave forms, are observed in a double-slit experiment, that they convert to a particle-form display on the screen? I missed that if it does. The members would appreciate it if you would point-out specifically where in the series that occurs.

In both of the videos I have provided, it was the work involving electrons that form the foundational evidence to the Holographic Universe Model. It is from that model we are able to see a Control Mechanism. Do we all not share a commonality when it comes to the perception of elemental structure? How then, do we justify that commonality, if not some sort of Control Mechanism from outside of the Hologram?

With regard to the science of "chemistry" that you made reference to, isn't the study of chemical reactions simply the observation of elemental structure? And, isn't it the hypothesis of the Holographic Universe Model, that all matter (elemental structure) is a wave-form, until it is observed? So what does your "chemistry" example prove?

In my opinion, no one has adequately demonstrated how their argument with this debate cancels-out the effect of observation. It is the observation component of the experiment that changes the result of the experiment..... and, it is that specific component that forms the basis of The Holographic Universe Model.

I would submit that far greater minds have come to the Holographic Universe Model than are represented within this thread. One must first of all understand the Holographic Universe Model, and then one must subscribe to that Model.

Condensing one's belief system to the limits of this particular reality simply is not supported by the evidence. "Something" is, and has always been, controlling this particular reality. The evidence for this would be supported by observable social agenda continuing over hundreds of years of time - even thousands of years. There simply is no way individual human brains can continue social agenda over periods of these durations, from one human brain to the next, without some sort of external influence.

Can the members see this point?

Now.... I do hope we can proceed with the task of showing there is conclusive physical evidence (objective) that can demonstrate how this control mechanism comes from an hyperdimensional realm without any continuing disruption to the flow of information.

[Hervé]

Posted by observer (here)
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I would suggest, Amzer, you haven't quite pealed-back your own personal "hypnotic trance" all the way, as yet. I have at least gotten you to stipulate to the fact that there is, here within this particular reality, an obvious and provable 'control mechanism' at work.

I was personally able to "break the spell" myself, when I came to the realization that, "everything we think we understand is a small part of a much bigger lie". Now.... I suppose I will have to tie-up pages of this thread with reams of documentation to prove to the members the validity of what I just said....

I am not willing to stipulate to the fact that it doesn't matter if we are comparing photons or electrons. Throwing everything at the single slit, from electrons to buckyballs, does produce a particle-form pattern under all the circumstances I've seen so far - except in the video series you presented. In your "Primer Field Videos", I didn't see the part where they spoke of electrons. The whole series is written around observations of photons. In fact, if I understood it correctly, the conclusion regarding the single-slit experiment revealed a wave form pattern with photons as well.

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I would suggest, Amzer, you haven't quite pealed-back your own personal "hypnotic trance" all the way, as yet.

Already resorting to ad hominem, Observer...

Disagreeing with your hypothesis and conclusion does not imply anything about my state of clarity from hypnotic trances. However, your not addressing the points submitted to you by both Paul and I, is a strong indication that the accuser may be suffering from the effect implied by his own accusation.

I have at least gotten you to stipulate to the fact that there is, here within this particular reality, an obvious and provable 'control mechanism' at work.

My stipulation about this particular reality has nothing to do with you nor even PA forum since my discovery of such predates either by a long shot.

Now.... I suppose I will have to tie-up pages of this thread with reams of documentation to prove to the members the validity of what I just said....

That would be a good start since none of your so-called "objectivity" has ever been submitted and which, BTW, always end up to a subjective source of past witnesses ever since your interference on the Horus-Ra thread. Otherwise, we are going to end up with something similar to the "Tap on, Tap off" thread where nothing is being demonstrated.

With regard to the science of "chemistry" that you made reference to, isn't the study of chemical reactions simply the observation of elemental structure? And, isn't it the hypothesis of the Holographic Universe Model, that all matter (elemental structure) is a wave-form, until it is observed? So what does your "chemistry" example prove?

The chemistry example as I stated it in response to your claim:

Posted by observer (here)
Applying Quantum Theory To Understanding This Particular Reality


FOUNDATIONAL UNDERSTANDING:

In the world of quantum physics, matter does not exist unless it is being observed.

... This fact of quantum physics has been shown to be a reproducible phenomenon in countless variations of a physics experiment known as The Double-Slit Experiment, or Young's Interference Experiment.

This Double-Slit Experiment has been re-tested in numerous physics labs all over the planet, always with the same results - objective results. The conclusions of this experiment are, just as previously stated, "matter does not exist unless it is being observed".

That is, if matter does not exist unless "observed," why would chemical reactions occur whether observed or not.

Also, the above quote clearly states the premise from which you build the rest of your argument and, therefore, can't help but be flawed.

Here, again, is the crux of the matter that deconstructs the rest of you post:

And, isn't it the hypothesis of the Holographic Universe Model, that all matter (elemental structure) is a wave-form, until it is observed?

If you admit to a basic model for all particles (which is what the "Primer fields" videos demonstrate) but keep ignoring my input that matter or "solid" particle is no more than a condensation of energy, that is, a "frozen" energy with a particular wavelength/frequency... there are no arguments but only "un dialogue de sourds" to re-use a phrase I already used in the Horus-Ra thread.

Moreover, that basic model would also have to include "photons" as the energy wave form release or absorbed by electrons when changing energy levels whereby insisting on a difference between the two becomes a moot point.

I am not willing to stipulate to the fact that it doesn't matter if we are comparing photons or electrons. Throwing everything at the single slit, from electrons to buckyballs, does produce a particle-form pattern under all the circumstances I've seen so far

Which also means that all these "particles" also behave like photons do... when they are interfered with and "de-condense."

Here is where the slight of hand or switcheroo occurs:

Observation, is what has been shown to collapse the wave-form into particles - regardless if it is a measurement using barium borate crystals (BBO), or a human brain. It continues to remain, the act of observation collapses the wave-form into a particle-form.

True observation would not interfere with the object observed. If the observation interferes with the object, then what is observed is an interfered-with-object, not the object itself.