Horus-Ra as the Archontic Alien Parasite: A follow-up interview with Maarit

[donk]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
"Soul-less" vs. "ensouled" are dangerous grounds/waters to thread on/in... since "soul-less" has always been the justification for enslaving conquered ethnic groups or cultures because they were "barbarians" or christians or infidels or pagans or goyims or blacks or yellows or reds or blues...

It's also what has been used to justify the killing of "enemies" and absolve soldiers from the conscientious angst of murdering their fellow men under the "It's all right, they are animals, they don't have a soul" psyop revived by the father of psychiatry, W. Wundt, to get men to go to war...

Now... what kind of new targets is this old psyop being aimed at this time? The new PLF sheeples? MKultra alters? Overwhelmed souls that became "organic portals"? The ones left holding the bag when entities have done their deeds as Steve Richards puts it? Etc.

I've been exploring this line of thinking a lot...it is essentially projected ignorance, the allowing (justifying) of a being to not see another as a feeling being, therefore removing the responsibility of empathy.

I found this excellent interview explores a lot of the questions I have been asking:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=e-3Plozi3X4

The idea of an entity invoking fear not necessarily in malevolence is intriguing...it was presented as a "shadow being" possibly being a guardian--for argument, we can stretch this as far as it being "benign", curious, information gathering, etc....but any entity needs energy, one from another dimension may need energy from this one in order to operate here, so they invoke fear so that they may manifest.

In this "case", they are not intending harm. We think of something unknown just causing fear is necessarily malevolent, an effect of the fear-programming of "civilization" (which is odd, considering the demand for "scary movies" and such). But there is the possibility (in my case, I feel I have experienced an example of this), these entities aren't purposely causing any harm. Possibly not even taking enough of our emotional energy to even effect us?

Think about that possiblity...we are a possibly a "zero-point energy source" for entities that wish to enter this realm. With all the trappings it implies: that we can "feed" the needs of nearly infinite interdimensional beings, in an infinite set of beings-there'd be a scale of benevelonce to malevonce, the "good" end of the scale (angels/guardians and such) use it, and we consider it tapping in (though IMO to be truly "benevolent", they'd have to give us full disclosure), while we consider the other end as draining us, vampires (perhaps the cleverest ones may even have found a way to weaponize our source energy).

It's all just different forms of energy transfer, right? We never think how many activities we do that may "tap in" or "suck out" energy from a seperate, conscious source without even realizing it, yet we would like to consider our actions "benevolent". It's not really possible to claim it, at the level of awareness we are at, and who outside of the Source, can truly know all the ramifications of any action?

[Chester]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
"Soul-less" vs. "ensouled" are dangerous grounds/waters to thread on/in... since "soul-less" has always been the justification for enslaving conquered ethnic groups or cultures because they were "barbarians" or christians or infidels or pagans or goyims or blacks or yellows or reds or blues...

It's also what has been used to justify the killing of "enemies" and absolve soldiers from the conscientious angst of murdering their fellow men under the "It's all right, they are animals, they don't have a soul" psyop revived by the father of psychiatry, W. Wundt, to get men to go to war...

Now... what kind of new targets is this old psyop being aimed at this time? The new PLF sheeples? MKultra alters? Overwhelmed souls that became "organic portals"? The ones left holding the bag when entities have done their deeds as Steve Richards puts it? Etc.

To Amzer Zo - That was my very first thought... impossible. But is that because I want that to be the case? Thus my idealistic hope? But the fact is that I do not know if this is possible, myself and thus I remain open minded. I knew this post was coming from you. In fact, I have reached out to one of my resources to get his take on this possibility... I will post the response when I receive it.

I am not going to descend into a debate as to whose paradigm is the correct paradigm, L. Ron Hubbard or Dr. Malanga because I just cannot know.

Until I feel I know for myself, I remain open minded. But if we consider the debates here about "psychopaths," Amzer Zo... I believe you expressed the opinion that indeed psychopaths existed and that in general, true psychopaths are unable to be rehabilitated. Please let me know if I remember correctly... as I may be wrong.

There is also the concern (from my point of view) is their essential self redeemable. Perhaps within their current physical vessel, this may not happen, but could the essence of a "spirit being" (set aside the debate regarding soul or not) change its mind and become STO?

I have far more questions and just because these latest posts via sms have assisted me does not mean I marry the information.

Please respond to these queries as you know I highly respect and appreciate your input.

To donk - I hear ya, donk... but I can't know for sure either way. But if someone rejects the work of Dr. Malanga because they are not open minded to the possibility a walking, talking living human being may only have a spirit and a mind (along with their body), then why not just straight out say, I, personally, reject it.

This cannot be answered by what others might say or think, including Dr. Malanga as well as the work of L. Ron Hubbard.

What I hope actually is true is that these so called souless vessels are actually just folks who have rejected what seems natural for most of us, that being love and that love being "world centric" (which is the All is One viewpoint) as opposed to self centric or a small group centric type of love. Some suggest this is a line of development and that surely there are extremes in both directions... but that does not imply that there are "souless" beings.

Another thing is that we cannot "prove" the existence of a soul. But we cannot exactly prove existence of "spirit" though some might consider that a living being "moves" is the proof a "spirit" (the spirit of life) is within that physical vessel. Enough of us "think" (or at least we think we think) but does that prove we have "a mind?" It does well enough for me.

Sadly it seems that though ground might appear to be broken here, we may end up in debate (again) about soul / spirit, etc. And then it all falls apart.

Personally, I resonate with that "eastern gnostic" metaphor... but that does not mean I am able to easily accept that there are living, breathing human beings who have NO soul.

[Hervé]

Posted by justoneman (here)
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Please respond to these queries as you know I highly respect and appreciate your input.
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In order to respond, I would have to understand what exactly are the queries or questions and I don't, starting with what exactly is "... impossible"?

In terms of psychopaths, I have addressed the problem in numerous posts: to get rid of them without rehabilitation -- whether jailed for life or executed -- only postpones the problem to the next generation as they, too, come back with a vengeance... since mind-control, brainwashing or implanting all along the past eons have failed to handle the problems and threats they always pose, generations after generations.

LRH taking a look at those psychos could still see their "soul" -- metaphorically expressed -- as a shrinking, barely glowing piece of cinder. The problem he saw in rehabilitating them -- the tech exists -- is: who would want to spend time in their company to do that?

[donk]

I don't understand why anyone would debate the intentions of a "soul-less" being, whatever that is. I don't understand the concept of "soul", except as a useful label in describing an aspect of your SELF.

The thing I'm trying to point out is: a psychopath is acting "benevolently", to him/her self. So rather try to hash out details you can never know, ask: what is the purpose of a being? In this case "psychopath"...it seems you are trying to generalize. I don't think you can.

A being with free will is the same as us, at the very root, more like us than a "compassionate" being capable of empathy that we can't see, hear, feel, communicate with or relate to at our most conscious level. What I'm saying is that on the grand, we are all one. But on the experiential level, the seperation necessary to BE, as a self...psychopathic 3d humans are no different to relate to if they are capable of making choices.

The difference comes in: the purpose of their presence. A lot of this thread posits that they exist to consume our fear. Perhaps to experience control over other beings, gets energy from other beings "negative" emotions...so it would follow that their choice of activity is to hurt & use people, at the extreme end raping babies. With these as their reason to be, if they are capable of recognizing it, then being honest about it...that is the only way to for a psychopath to change, provided they wanted to.

Is there a "psychopathic threshold", where a being can act a psychopath but somehow at his/her root have (or be able to learn) empathy? I'm not sure. I can't tell what "side" you guys fall on in the argument? I'm not even really clear on your terms, especially soul. My feeling is that truly "psychopathic beings" are incapable of empathy...is that what a "soul" is, a part of a self that is capable of empathy?

So it is our challenge to love them, unconditionally as we should All That Is, which, if they actually exist, then they are included. But for the love of All Else That Is, they must be exposed at the very least, kept away at best.

Instead it appears most of our species has fallen u set their spell. We (as a "people") worship them, emulate a significant amount of their behavior, mostly without even realizing it...but not only that--but thinking its good. Defending it.

[donk]

Ugh...re-reading that last bit I'm feeling all "John Lash". That's just crazy talk! At the LEAST, they need to be destroyed. Eff the paradox that it makes you like them. By definition, THEY would just exploit that, continue to feed, exploit. I feel that "unconditional love" would necessitate removing them completely from our existence...nullification would be the only "love" they would be able to accept....

Bringing that back to my original point, I think there's only a "few bad apples", that are truly psychopathic, and they don't resemble human beings in any sense of the word, at any level...except occasionally visually if they manage to completely control a meat bag

There does seem to be waaaay too many folks & beings who are close enough, though

[Chester]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by justoneman (here)
[...]

Please respond to these queries as you know I highly respect and appreciate your input.
[...]

In order to respond, I would have to understand what exactly are the queries or questions and I don't, starting with what exactly is "... impossible"?

In terms of psychopaths, I have addressed the problem in numerous posts: to get rid of them without rehabilitation -- whether jailed for life or executed -- only postpones the problem to the next generation as they, too, come back with a vengeance... since mind-control, brainwashing or implanting all along the past eons have failed to handle the problems and threats they always pose, generations after generations.

LRH taking a look at those psychos could still see their "soul" -- metaphorically expressed -- as a shrinking, barely glowing piece of cinder. The problem he saw in rehabilitating them -- the tech exists -- is: who would want to spend time in their company to do that?

Perfectly answered and I apologize I did not remember you view regarding psychopathy but now clearly remember after reading the above... and it seems you have not changed your mind on your view and opinion.

You also answered for me very well my other question, thanks.

Being honest and direct, it is extremely difficult for me to feel comfortable adopting the view of another, no matter how much trust I have in them and when I have trust in multiple sources and yet I sense a significant difference in key specifics of their views, I have to resort to the only method I have found leads me to the truth faster and more reliably than any other method I have tried and that is to adopt a view and try it out.

In this case, the view I have to adopt is the view that is acceptable to me first.

It is unacceptable that any being not have a soul "component." This doesn't mean I am saying this is a fact because I do not know nor have no way I can directly find this out.

How I am defining the soul component - this is my current and most comfortable definition is that a "soul" is the bridge between the heart of the individual spirit being and the actual source of creation.

If that source is benevolent, and I keep my bridge between me and the source in tact, then likely my experience will be better for the rest of creation from this same source. As a by product of that, I would likely have a fulfilling experience.

If that source is not benevolent, than it does not matter anyways.

I believe I have experienced this bridge in various states of condition. When that bridge is in sound condition, I experience energetic surges that feel incredibly wonderful, give me the feeling I am a true, spirit being that is an eternal, immortal being and this experience always energizes me with an enthusiasm to serve others in the best way I can and with the best of my intentions. I call this love because love is a word I have heard all my life and though I have never discovered a definition of love I felt described this thing as I have experienced it, I am comfortable to call this love.

Depending on the health of my soul, the more love I experience flowing through me to others in my life. I feel gratitude that I have a reasonably in tact bridge despite my past. Today I have a very strong bridge and what flows across this bridge I call love.

I want to believe that everyone has this bridge. It seems to me that a psychopath has simply somehow blocked his bridge or perhaps with his will, gave the bridge over to another... an entity and must experience what that may be like. Perhaps within all possibility someone could give that bridge over for the rest of their spirit's experience, I don't know. If I had to bet on it, I would bet that a permanent relinquishment of "the soul" would not happen as eventually love would overcome the spirit's direction and the spirit being would take the steps to regain sovereignty over their soul.

Still, I am highly intrigued by the idea of entities that do not have this bridge. I am well past wondering if they might possibly exist. For me it is a given. So assuming that they do and that they can exist in the reality and I cannot experience them via any of my five senses but they can somehow involve themselves with me or any other being anchored in this physical realm, then perhaps a human being can "make a deal with the devil" or at least one of these entities, a demon, alien, djinn, archon, and that by doing this willfully, they might come up in the Dr. Malanga research as appearing not to have a soul - this essential bridge to the creative source which emanates unconditional love.

I went through the above mental exercise to get this point. What do we, an awakened person, do?

And I do not mean that for myself... what do I do for "me?" I mean what do we do for anyone else.

And so by following this thread from almost its beginning and intently reading and quite often rereading the amazing posts... and getting the suggestions from the ones I have come to respect the most... It seems the thing to do is be vigilant in protecting your own soul in every way such that you can be in position, if the opportunity arises, to be helpful with others if they reach out.

Part of that is by raising awareness to the situation without forcing things on others or without threatening the wrong folks unnecessarily and stay under emotional control as it seems getting overly emotional feeds the monster(s).

And obviously when one reaches that place we might call "awakened" - you know if you are if you feel that compassion and feel it constantly as I have finally begun to do because you gotta admit it... this is a very sad situation for so, so many.

I do very much feel the difference now between the spirit and the soul but I truly do not pretend to know if there really is a difference. But that analogy as mentioned by sms of the coach really speaks to me... as if I have known that at a deeper level of my being. Could that be MK Ultra speaking to me? Could it be some other "program" overriding my own sovereignty? How can anyone ever truly know?

I don't think it can be.

I think when its all said and done, each person has to make their own mind up about all these things.

Hell, I have dealt with a "voice in my head" ever since I can remember. The voice told me it was Lucifer back in 2005. That voice still speaks with me. Is that R6? Could it be mind hacking technology? Could it be some low level demon? Could I just be insane even though "the voice" has told me twice of AL-queida events just before they happened and never told me of anything else?

Could I be totally and completely mind controlled? Mind controlled to work a job and assist my family and pay my bills on time and pay my taxes and abide by laws as best i can and help folks in every way I can when asked as those who know me would say I do?

How would any of us ever really know what is actually true?

We have to take risks. As of now I bet there's a soul and it is not the spirit. And nothing I have heard seems more logical than the concepts put forth through the research of Dr. Malanga. So this is the way I am leaning right now as I approach my near future and as I do, I will report my findings and relate my new points of view.

[Chester]

I have to point out something that bothers me here. I may be way off base, but it seems that Amzer Zo has issues with the views of Dr. Malanga's "genesis" view and with Dr. Malanga's view that these aspects of a human being (he calls components) that are soul, spirit and mind which inhabit a body. I know Amzer Zo does not like the use of hypnosis either and he has stated his reasons for this and I found Amzer Zo's arguments to be quite convincing.

My confusion is based on an assumption and so my assumption may be very wrong. And this involves Daughter of Time. Hopefully she trusts me that I have great respect for her, believe she is very brave, and have gratitude for the translation work she has done for some of Dr. Malanga's research reports, specifically a lengthy multi-part contribution.

Instead of me stating my confusion... maybe it is best I am direct to Daughter of Time... and I do recall you did give your view in the past regarding the soul, but are you able to reconcile the views of Amzer Zo with the research and views produced by Dr. Malanga? I hope you will help me out here.

Thanks - Chester

[Hervé]

Posted by justoneman (here)
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Being honest and direct, it is extremely difficult for me to feel comfortable adopting the view of another, no matter how much trust...

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I think when its all said and done, each person has to make their own mind up about all these things.

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Posted by justoneman (here)
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Instead of me stating my confusion... maybe it is best I am direct to Daughter of Time... and I do recall you did give your view in the past regarding the soul, but are you able to reconcile the views of Amzer Zo with the research and views produced by Dr. Malanga? I hope you will help me out here.

Thanks - Chester

Chester,

Being honest and bluntly direct:

Why bother keeping asking people their point of view when, in the end and as stated by yourself, you don't give a s**t about it anyway?

Hence, why not follow your own advice and make up your own mind?

[Houman]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
"Soul-less" vs. "ensouled" are dangerous grounds/waters to thread on/in... since "soul-less" has always been the justification for enslaving conquered ethnic groups or cultures because they were "barbarians" or christians or infidels or pagans or goyims or blacks or yellows or reds or blues...

Yes it could be but it is not the intent nor what is being said here... and I very much welcome inputs from sms whose is kind enough to post his/her "first hand" observations in relation to his/her "first hand" experience with these liberation techniques...

sms has much more to share and I hope that he/she will do it in time...

[Chester]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by justoneman (here)
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Being honest and direct, it is extremely difficult for me to feel comfortable adopting the view of another, no matter how much trust...

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I think when its all said and done, each person has to make their own mind up about all these things.

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Posted by justoneman (here)
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Instead of me stating my confusion... maybe it is best I am direct to Daughter of Time... and I do recall you did give your view in the past regarding the soul, but are you able to reconcile the views of Amzer Zo with the research and views produced by Dr. Malanga? I hope you will help me out here.

Thanks - Chester

Chester,

Being honest and bluntly direct:

Why bother keeping asking people their point of view when, in the end and as stated by yourself, you don't give a s**t about it anyway?

Hence, why not follow your own advice and make up your own mind?

It appears that if someone doesn't agree with your point of view, you like to become belligerent and I thought we were above that - or at least trying to be.

[sms]

lookbeyond: How can we deal with those who seem to fit this "non-human" description in our lives when they try to destroy us?

I think “utilize” is a better word, however, it seems that the destruction of physical part of humanity comes from time to time in circles?! Is it going to happen again, we will see.

There are some grounds to believe that they can not destroy us completely, they may can kill our physical body, however, who is aware on this side, he is aware on the other side, as well, where the archontic manipulation continues. They may hope that most of us after “checking out” of here, would not be aware enough, so we can easily get into their traps over there. Of course, many of us would not resist if offered help by “Jesus” personally, “angels”, Gandalf-like creatures etc., or falling in traps made of “light” (like the ‘insectocutors’ we use down here) etc. and leading people in some sort of processing facilities. Something about it can be heard here:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=8PE0U4pKUsI

(Around 10 years ago, I attended a lecture by Bruce Moen who was a student of R. Monroe and wrote several books on OBE, and I remember, he talked about these “soul collecting discs”, as well, however, he saw nothing wrong with that.)

Regressive therapists who are aware of “screen memories” (false memories uploaded into people by aliens) and how to penetrate them, would confirm that the manipulation extends to the other side, too.

There is nobody on the other side who has the right to judge a human being and who has the right to punish a human being. Of course, this does not mean that some entities do not grant this right to themselves. But, they will manipulate just those whom they can.

I think that B. Bartholic and Dr Karla Turner made a breakthrough when they discovered that the abductees/contactees have been often uploaded by false virtual reality scenarios and this is what probably costed them their lives. So, when somebody has NDE, briefly visits the other side and comes back with a story how “he was rescued there by Jesus from demonic hands”, this may sound pretty rational for our (programmed) mind components. However, if such stories would be probed a bit more deeper, it may turn out that the guy was just uploaded and sent back to disperse a story for the purpose of the “religious programming re-enforcement”. The same with those interacting with “good aliens”, “ascended masters”, angels etc.

Let’s say that there is a great possibility that after checking out of here, we continue our existence and an awake and aware person is dangerous for controlling forces on both sides. There are some indications, as well, that there are some hierarchies above the aliens, who are able to manipulate the hologram or our virtual reality on a bigger scale, such as causing global cataclysms.

There are some indications that a human being with an integrated consciousness, can not be destroyed by aliens. Say, if attacked, his consciousness may do two things, first, make him invisible by switching from particle into a wave mode, or use its energy to destroy the alien (turning him into a wave). This may happen beyond the perception of the personality (the coachman) or his “waking consciousness”. Though, a human being with an integrated consciousness does not “know it all”, because, he is here to experience the physical reality. If we would have a foreknowledge of everything, we would not be able to experience it. Let’s say, as a wave, you can know the theoretical part, but to gain an experience, put a theory into a praxis, to gain and understanding and knowledge about something, you have to interact with the reality or certain events as a particle.

Like in that double slit experiment which was conducted by physicists a while ago, an electron behaved as a particle when observed (interacted with) and as a wave, when not observed (not interacted with).

So, the aliens seem not to be a problem for a human being with an integrated consciousness. He may look at them as we look at sharks. Sharks eat people, however, we can not seek to eradicate them because they eat people. They eat those they can, who are not aware enough or ignorant of the sharks and how to protect themselves.

It is all about the gaining of consciousness through experiencing the creation and this goes on an individual basis and this should be respected.

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However, there is something which our personalities may see as a problem. Higher hierarchies, those above the aliens which interfere with us, seem to be worried about the aliens acquiring souls. This is what Dr Malanga addressed in this interview wit E. Lorgen as:

Level 4: Attempts to move the light-dots matrix (SOUL-CONSCIOUSNESS) of the abductee and constrain it into an alien body

According to numerous abductee hypnosis testimonies, they (or more accurately their Soul Component) reported that the Soul consciousness cannot be copied. The aliens know this and this is why they are using our Souls. Ultimately they want to create some genetic bridge which will alter their own alien DNA to be compatible with our Souls.(via various human-alien hybrids) Once they have created a genetic hybrid with DNA that is compatible with our human Soul frequency, is when the human souls will be hijacked into complete alien enslavement. (EL–In other words, the aliens, who only have a mind and spirit component to their being must use our Souls to incarnate into hybrid bodies, where the will of the Soul is completely repressed or taken over by the aliens will.

LINK

It seems that there is a possibility for aliens to come up with bodies (by genetically experimenting on our bodies and producing various hybrids) to which they would be able to bind a soul and their Mind+Spirit components!? (Recently, I have heard from a hypnotherapist who found out at some clients who were previously treated by reiki symbols, that some of these symbols were acting like a chain or a glue for the soul!? She was there, but “unable to move” or express itself!?)

So, they want her eternity and energy, but do not care about humanness.

And it seems that the higher hierarchies do not want that, as they think that something like this would endanger them, as aliens then would go for their throat. So, it seems that they may press “cataclysm button” when aliens come close in achieving that.

Like M. Hall noted in the Secret Teachings of all Ages:

(…)But as the story of Noah and his ark is a cosmic allegory concerning the repopulation of planets at the beginning of each world period, this only makes it less likely that they were historical personages.

Before Noah, it was Utnapishtim (Mesopotamia), before him it was Manu (Hindu) which may mean that the “gods” were saving the human genome for the next “word period” by helping certain groups of people to survive. Our myths describe not only the past, but the eternal now i.e. not only what happened, but what is happening and what will be happening.

In Nag Hammadi Library, page 115, we find the following:

And she said, "He has begotten on me a virgin as an assistance for many generations of mankind." She [Norea=Soul] is the virgin whom the forces did not defile.

Then mankind began to multiply and improve. The rulers took counsel with one another and said, "Come, let us cause a deluge with our hands and obliterate all flesh, from man to beast." But when the ruler of the forces came to know of their decision, he said to Noah, "Make yourself an ark from
some wood that does not rot and hide in it - you and your children and the beasts and the birds of heaven from small to large - and set it upon Mount Sir."

According to Dr Malanga, entities like PM and so called ‘angels’ are above aliens and they can interfere with the hologram in such a way to “modify” it and they do it, from time to time, but not for our own good. They care only about themselves and whatever they do, it is for their own advantage. They are experiencing the reality from above, not wishing to descend down here to get their hands dirty. However, it seems that it can not last forever, as it is only a 2nd hand experience (through us). One has to get down here and to get dirty by playing in the mud and so to gain consciousness by interacting with all aspects of the reality.

It is interesting to note that some individuals who managed to integrate their consciousness and so become more aware, were approached by ‘angels’ and offered a sort of an ‘ascension’ to their realm, as a price. Like Bruce Lee in the movie the Game of Death, who was offered to work for higher powers and after he refused they went to punish him, however, he defeated them at the end and returned down here.

And what can we do? First, we have to assess where we currently are. I think, Russian esotericist Gurdjieff described it pretty well:

"'The outer circle' is the circle of mechanical humanity to which we belong and which alone we know. The first sign of this circle is that among people who belong to it there is not and there cannot be a common understanding.

Everybody understands in his own way and all differently. This circle is
sometimes called the circle of the 'confusion of tongues,' that is, the
circle in which each one speaks in his own particular language, where no one
understands another and takes no trouble to be understood.

In this circle mutual understanding between people is impossible except
in rare exceptional moments or in matters having no great significance, and
which are confined to the limits of the given being.

If people belonging to this circle become conscious of this general lack of
understanding and acquire a desire to understand and to be understood, then
it means they have an unconscious tendency towards the inner circle because
mutual understanding begins only in the exoteric circle and is possible only
there. But the consciousness of the lack of understanding usually comes to
people in an altogether different form.

So, this is where we are as “coachmen”. I would say that most of us can perceive it, if we look honestly. And, if we manage to connect all our components, we may progress to “esoteric circle”:

"The inner circle is called the 'esoteric'; this circle consists of people
who have attained the highest development possible for man, each one of whom possesses individuality in the fullest degree, that is to say, an
indivisible 'I,' all forms of consciousness possible for man, full control
over these states of consciousness, the whole of knowledge possible for man,
and a free and independent will.

"They cannot perform actions opposed to their understanding or have an
understanding which is not expressed by actions. At the same time there can
be no discords among them, no differences of understanding. Therefore their
activity is entirely co-ordinated and leads to one common aim without any
kind of compulsion because it is based upon a common and identical
understanding."

So, the esoteric development would be a way to go for some of us.


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Amzer Zoo: "Soul-less" vs. "ensouled" are dangerous grounds/waters to thread on/in...

Several years ago when I was writing about the psychopathy on some forums, I have got the same sort of comments. Even a word „discrimination“ was used. I was not even mentioning aliens, non-humans etc. only psychopaths/“sociopaths“, using data available from various professionals and researchers. I did not even say that psychopaths were a „reflection“ of alien conscioussnes on our level. (However, they do not have the soul components.) How many millions of human beings were killed by them or under their direction, how much destruction, suffering... nobody would know the answer. Yet, we should regard talking about people without a soul as a „dangerous ground“?!

And, normal people do not have a chance in interaction with a psychopath, because they are not aware. People generally do not have an idea about psychopathy, let alone abot the possibility that they were ruled by such individuals:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=0v7PJmKKsfM

When faced with a psychopath, normal people behave like a deer caught in car headlights during the night and get run over by them. Yet, without first understanding them, we can not understand higher archontic echelons. If one is not aware and is not able to deal with a „3D psychopath“, then he is not able to protect himself from aliens. As Castaneda said:

If seers can hold their own in facing petty tyrants [psychopaths], they can certainly face the unknown with impunity, and then they can even stand the presence of the unknowable.

In fact, we are conditioned to be victims of psychopaths (non-souled entities). E.g. if we would subject Jehovah to a psychopathy checklist, he would gain there a pretty high score. Yet, he is supposed to be our deity or authority to which we are supposed to submit ourselves!? So, we are conditioned to rationalize psychopathic behaviour of our authorities and other souless entities.

Gurdjieff called people without the soul „living deads“ and he talked about them around the same time as Steiner did, and he used to say:

If we knew what a number of people are actually dead and what a number of these dead people govern our lives, we should go mad with horror.”

What has changed in the meanwhile? Did people get aware of the problem?

**

At the end, S. Richards is for me a nice example of somebody acting on 2 componets, with the 3rd one excluded or marginalized. He is all about the spirit.

In fact, one can determine if a spiritual teaching or a teacher is genuine by asking only a few questions, such as: 1 – Where is the Soul? 2. If mentioned, does she have an equal status in relation to the other components?

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[lookbeyond]

Hi sms, no easy answers.I actually did mean "destroy"in the sense that in my life ive had a recurring theme of persecution/destruction.Not nice to think it might be the same on the other side.So much for discernment. Sms, do you think you will go into the light or accept help from beings when you pass over?
Thanks for such a thorough reply, will watch the vids tomorrow for mothers day!

Kind Reguards lookbeyond

[Chester]

Thank you, sms - I was hardly able to sleep. The above post #2731 was much appreciated as this was where something within me has been pulled.

Ever since a few days ago when your previous posts and much of the material I have (again) reread on Eve Lorgen's site, much of that being materials from Dr. Malanga, I have had one burning question based on a hope -

Can a "living dead" individual, "grow" their own soul? Not steal, or borrow or acquire a soul via any other method, but somehow develop a true soul on their own (or with assistance from others who have the integrated the "I" and who posses high odds their integrated state would remain in tact while working with these folks)?

I hope the answer to be, "Yes." But just because this is something I hope for that does not mean it is actually possible.

Perhaps the answer is unknown.

But if the answer would be, "Yes," then it seems the best course for an ensouled/awakened individual who has the inclination to achieve this integration do so first and solidify their integrated self before they attempt to be available in any way in assisting a "living dead" in the process of growing their own, bona fide... real soul.

[Houman]

Thanks for your post sms... the notion of a prison like (virtual) reality appears to be a recurrent them in the movies industry


Dark City (1998) Copied by Matrix 1. Has all the elements (creation and manipulation of a virtual work, programmed and memory implanted human beings in reincarnations loops, alien, consciousness/mind machines allowing the manipulation of the virtual reality)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=QrGSLMl1XFs

The Island (2005) A man goes on the run after he discovers that he is actually a "harvested being", and is being kept along with others in a utopian facility. Very similar to the Matrix in many ways, including quotes.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZtyC3jFh6eM

The 13th floor (1999) A computer scientists discovers something fascinating about our world (mentioned in the video you posted)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Xsl0-ON7P8A

Welt am Draht (1973) Somewhere in the future there is a computer project called Simulacron, able to simulate a full featured reality..

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=YvlQ8TQsmQA

Brainstorm (1983) A scientist develops a machine to record, play and implant memories&emotions of others.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=NNiZP2G-nEM

eXistenZ (1999) What is real? What is a game?

Strange Days (1995) Ex-cop deals with 'human memory' discs.

Total Recall (1990) The future: Arnold gets his holidays implanted. But what happens then?

Blade Runner (1982) The future: Replicants (artificial humans/ androids) have to be tracked down and killed.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZTzA_xesrL8

Memento (2000) A man seeks for the truth he has just forgotten.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ploSYVE0uao

Slaughterhouse Five (1972) Billie Pilgrim lives a multi-life. He survives the bombing of Dresden 1945, then lives simultaneously in his past as a young American, in the future on another planet and in the present in the USA.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=DvlZtlBfCi0

Event horizon (1997) A spaceship rescue crew investigates a spaceship that disappeared into a black hole and has now returned. Note: Laurence Fishburn (Morpheus) acts

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=OVlnER8SxfQ

Waking Life (2001) Are dreams real or just dreams? A captured in a dream meets many characters who talk about the meaning, perception, and reality of existence.


Vanilla Sky (2001) This is the American remake of Abre Los Ojos (Open Your Eyes). Tom Cruise finds his world to turn into surreal after a car accident. Penelope Cruz plays the part of Sophia which she also played in the original.

Abre los Ojos (Open Your Eyes) (1997) A rich attractive arrogant young man finds the girl of his dreams in Sophia (played by Penelope Cruz) but his hopes with her are soon ruined by the antics of one of his ex-lovers.

The 6th Sense (1999) A psychologists tries to cure a child who says he can see ghosts. "I can see dead people"

Tron (1982) A programmer is "digitalized" and has to fight within a processor unit.

Pleasentville (1998) Two teenagers find themselves in a 1950ies sitcom.

The Prisoner (1967) (TV) A man is gassed and wakes up as "Number 6" in a prison village wondering who is "Number One"?

Johnny Mnemonic (1995) In the year 2021, the entire planet is connected to the internet and half of it is suffering from a disease known as Nerve Attenuation Syndrome or N.A.S. A data courier named Johnny is hired to carry crucial information, that may contain a cure, while being pursued by an evil corporation.

Solaris (2002) Dead persons appear on a spaceship

The Truman Show (1998) Your entire life...is a showVirtual Nightmare (2000) (TV) The world is so strange. Is it too perfect?

Stalker (1979) 20 years ago, a meteorite fell to Earth into an area, now known as The Zone. Stories purport that there is an inner chamber within 'The Zone' called 'The Room' that grants one's deepest wish.

Fight club (1999) A stranger introduces a man to a new way of life.

Identity (2003) One after one dies. What do they have in common?

Angel Heart (1987) A private investigator is hired to track down a singer called Johnny Favorite.

Shining (1980) An isolated hotel is haunted during the winter time.

Naked Lunch (1991) Bug exterminator finds his wife being addicted to his bug powder. He becomes an agent on a mission.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=dtflS5wCbjw

Ghost Ship (2002) A salvage crew discovers a long-lost 1962 passenger ship. Strange things happen.

Videodrome (1983) James Woods discovers a show, broadcast on a pirate signal, called "Videodrome".




Equilibrium (2002) The future: Emotions are forbidden. John Preston is after those reading books and hearing music. Then he misses a dose of Prozium (the drug that suppresses emotion) he becomes the only person capable of overthrowing the regime.

Impostor (2002) The future: A scientist is suddenly suspected to be an alien spy. He doesn't know anything about that and flees.

The Others (2001) A woman living in an old house with her photosensitive children becomes convinced that the house is haunted.

Ghost in the Shell (1995) The future: Humans are connected to networks, power-cyborgs fight computer hacking, humans love machines. Was one of the original inspirations for The Matrix.

Terminator 1 (1984) Terminator 2 (1991) Terminator 3 (2003) The artificial intelligent weapons rise against humans and want to take over the world. Some machines try to destroy man, some protect.

Cypher (2002) A man begins working for a corporation as a double agent. Just as he is beginning to enjoy this new lifestyle, he meets Rita and things take an unexpected turn.

Screamers (1995) Another movie based on a Philip K. Dick story. Man builds the perfect weapon, but the weapon evolves.

Avalon (2001) In the future, people play an addictive war game by connecting their minds to a computer. The main character is a young woman who is quite addicted to the game and thus very skilled. She eventually achived what only very few others had done before: She won all levels. Rumors say, there is a secret, ultimate level which can be accessed by finding a mysterious ghost in the form of a child. Once this level ist entered the only way out is to win it or to die. But there is something else about this special level which may change the perception of reality and simulation for every player that comes this far.

Paycheck (2003) In the near future a guy builds a machine to foresee the future, then gets his memory erased. Based on a Philip K. Dick story

They Live (1988) A John Carpenter movie that tells the story about a down on his luck construction worker named Nada, who finds a pair of strange sunglasses that allow him to see the world behind the world; subliminal messages hidden in newspapers, magazines, billboards and even money, in order to keep us all "asleep" and unaware of those who secretly rule us.


Star Trek (TV) There are some episodes regarding the crew being captured on the holodeck.

Virtuosity (1995) Virtual reality exists. A virtual simulation program (Russell Crowe) of criminal is written and it becomes uncontrollable. One of the testing subjects (Denzel Washington) might be the only one who can stop him.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...3000738AAv1h6X

[Daughter of Time]

Posted by justoneman (here)
I have to point out something that bothers me here. I may be way off base, but it seems that Amzer Zo has issues with the views of Dr. Malanga's "genesis" view and with Dr. Malanga's view that these aspects of a human being (he calls components) that are soul, spirit and mind which inhabit a body. I know Amzer Zo does not like the use of hypnosis either and he has stated his reasons for this and I found Amzer Zo's arguments to be quite convincing.

My confusion is based on an assumption and so my assumption may be very wrong. And this involves Daughter of Time. Hopefully she trusts me that I have great respect for her, believe she is very brave, and have gratitude for the translation work she has done for some of Dr. Malanga's research reports, specifically a lengthy multi-part contribution.

Instead of me stating my confusion... maybe it is best I am direct to Daughter of Time... and I do recall you did give your view in the past regarding the soul, but are you able to reconcile the views of Amzer Zo with the research and views produced by Dr. Malanga? I hope you will help me out here.

Thanks - Chester

Hello Chester,

I've been very busy lately and even though I check in and spend a little time on Avalon every day, I never seem to have more than minutes to spare so I have read only some of the posts in the last couple of pages of this thread. I do intend to catch up in the near future.

Having said that, I am not totally clear as to what your question to me is about the soul. I know I've given my views, perceptions and understandings on the soul in the past, but that was done in different posts and in relation to different aspects of the soul that were being discussed at the time.

If you could ask me, specifically, what about the soul you'd like me to elaborate on, I will answer in due course, perhaps in a few days, when my work load lessens and I have a little more time. I have only a few minutes to spend here today so I'll spend them reading another post or two.

[Chester]

Posted by Daughter of Time (here)

Posted by justoneman (here)
I have to point out something that bothers me here. I may be way off base, but it seems that Amzer Zo has issues with the views of Dr. Malanga's "genesis" view and with Dr. Malanga's view that these aspects of a human being (he calls components) that are soul, spirit and mind which inhabit a body. I know Amzer Zo does not like the use of hypnosis either and he has stated his reasons for this and I found Amzer Zo's arguments to be quite convincing.

My confusion is based on an assumption and so my assumption may be very wrong. And this involves Daughter of Time. Hopefully she trusts me that I have great respect for her, believe she is very brave, and have gratitude for the translation work she has done for some of Dr. Malanga's research reports, specifically a lengthy multi-part contribution.

Instead of me stating my confusion... maybe it is best I am direct to Daughter of Time... and I do recall you did give your view in the past regarding the soul, but are you able to reconcile the views of Amzer Zo with the research and views produced by Dr. Malanga? I hope you will help me out here.

Thanks - Chester

Hello Chester,

I've been very busy lately and even though I check in and spend a little time on Avalon every day, I never seem to have more than minutes to spare so I have read only some of the posts in the last couple of pages of this thread. I do intend to catch up in the near future.

Having said that, I am not totally clear as to what your question to me is about the soul. I know I've given my views, perceptions and understandings on the soul in the past, but that was done in different posts and in relation to different aspects of the soul that were being discussed at the time.

If you could ask me, specifically, what about the soul you'd like me to elaborate on, I will answer in due course, perhaps in a few days, when my work load lessens and I have a little more time. I have only a few minutes to spend here today so I'll spend them reading another post or two.

Hi DoT, I am trying my best to learn that when I get enthusiastic about something, I am less able to put my thoughts into words where those thoughts are clear for the reader.

So as brief as possible, I experienced a schism. I was unable to reconcile the views of Amzer Zo (as I perceived them) with the views and the projected grander picture presented by Dr. Malanga.

I deduced that since I see so many of your thanks on posts made by Amzer Zo, that you probably share his views, not completely, by in large part. Also, I have noted what appears to me to be your agreement with much of Dr. Malanga's work. I assume this based on the selfless job you have done in translating so much of his materials for folks to read.

Because I have respect for you as well, I was hoping you might help me with my own schism here... what might I not be understanding perhaps that you appear to understand where you seem to be united in spirit with Amzer Zo's views and Dr. Malanga's works, conclusions and views.

I asked this of you because I trust you and I take seriously, as I do what Amzer Zo posts, and I was hoping your response might help me with my current conclusion.

This is (to me) extremely serious stuff discussed on this thread. The last thing I want to generate or experience is dissension amongst the serious contributors in this thread and yet, it seems i somehow pushed a button with Amzer Zo which was fully, consciously not my intention. In the past, I would have withdrawn but I no longer am going to allow my own ego (the ego whose feelings got hurt last night) to deter my greater goal which is to restore full sovereignty over my being such that I might be truly beneficial to my family, loved ones and whoever else I may effect.

[Daughter of Time]

Chester,

If I thank Amzer Zo's posts (as I thank many posts) it is because they speak to me. They speak to a part of my core.

Around 20 years ago I underwent a series of past life therapy. I couldn't believe the words that came out of me. The regressions took me back to prior to the beginning of time. Soon afterwards, by acts of mere synchronicity, I started to find confirmations for many of the things I'd experienced in my regressions. Among all these findings were LRH's works. I listened to many of his lectures from the '50s and they confirmed some of the things that had emerged from my quantum state, namely, how we landed on earth through an act of betrayal and how we've been betrayed ever since. And even though I find LRH a tad arrogant, I have great respect for him (not for scientology) for I found confirmation of my experiences through his lectures. I also found confirmations through many other things which I won't get into now.

I had no knowledge of Malanga prior to opening this thread. My last devastating ET contact was on May 12, 2012 and that was the day I opened this thread and have been involved ever since. Malanga was that first thing that caught my eye when opening this thread. He also speaks to my core as he has been dealing with abductees like myself for the past 40 years. I have great respect for Malanga and all his work. He speaks to my core as well.

So LRH's and Malanga's methods may differ, but this doesn't bother me one bit. I have no need to reconcile the differences because they both seem to work. Malanga admits that his prior methods were not as successful as the current one. He is learning too. We are all learning at whichever level of understanding and awareness we have. And ultimately, does anyone really know the ultimate truth about everything that has happened in this universe since its inception?

This takes me back to high school when we were given an algebraic question to solve. We were given the answer, but we had to demonstrate, on paper, how we arrived at the answer, if we managed to. I spent an entire weekend on that puzzle and finally arrived at the right answer, but not with the formula that was given to us. I'd created a different formula which gave me the correct answer. On Monday morning, upon presenting my paper, my teacher was totally shocked as he could see I had arrived at the correct answer on my own. How did I do that? I don't know! And why am I saying this now? Because there are different ways to arrive at the same conclusions. That incident was a great lesson to me as it taught me that there is no one true method - there are different methods which can work equally well. As the old adage says "all roads lead to Rome" and although I'm being facetious here because this adage no longer applies, it makes the point that different paths can lead to the desired destiny.

So Chester, I'd suggest that you start by taking whatever makes sense to you and discard the rest for the time being since there are no absolutes. May I suggest that you should not feel compelled to reconcile the differences? Absorb the knowledge and let it speak to you at whichever level it can at this particular time. Try not to stress yourself over these things. Be happy in the knowledge that you have come a long way and the path to knowledge can be very frustrating.

Wisdom comes painfully, and only in drops!!!

Best to you,

Daughter of Time

[Hervé]

Posted by Houman (here)
Thanks for your post sms... the notion of a prison like (virtual) reality appears to be a recurrent them in the movies industry


[...]
Brainstorm (1983) A scientist develops a machine to record, play and implant memories&emotions of others.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=NNiZP2G-nEM

[...]

Some astonishing correlation with Robert Duncan whistle blowing on "Brain heterodyning:

Brain Mapping and Normalization Software
You can get free brain mapping software from open source forums. The trick here is to align brain signatures. If the same stimulus is given to two individuals their whole brain patterns will be close but different enough that it may make them incompatible for raw EEG heterodyning. Let’s say a word is presented to two humans with similar cultures, their brains will produce similar wave forms for the given frequencies of interest and cascading sequences. That is the key. One must analyze the time sequence of the cognitive model. A famous example of this is called the multiple segment truck backing up problem. I used back propagation neural networks to demonstrate it. The exact mathematical modeling doesn’t matter as much as one would think. As Steven Wolfram concludes in his book, “A New Kind of Science”, computation equivalence gives rise to the exact same subjective manifestation or model that we experience as consciousness.

Another way to estimate how many people might be on the MIND network is to look at the rate of tinnitus in the population. How many people hear a very high pitch square wave tinny sound once in a while? I scoured the medical research in this area and none of it satisfactorily explains the neurological and biophysical processes that give rise to this kind of tinnitus as described by government torture projects and the general populous. Tinnitus affects 17% of the general population. 17% of the US population is 50 million people. The US MIND control network is rumored as of 1985 to be able to handle 25 million people. In fact, when the cases of tinnitus that have real physical causes are removed from those stats, it matches exactly. With a potential influence over 25 million people, all public opinions and elections could easily be manipulated. In fact until we regain constitutional controls over this integrated weapons system, no public servant, politician, or military leader should be allowed to serve if they suffer from any sporadic or constant tinnitus as described. This is why a civil war will occur and not a revolution. Potentially 8% of the population can not be woken up from their slumber and will continue to power the military machine.

The Ghost in the Machine
Electronic warfare capabilities have become so refined that all electronic devices can be made to malfunction. The military directed energy labs are perfecting ways to induce electromagnetic signals so precisely as to reprogram your computer or more easily influence your keyboard and mouse. If they can do it to a brain, they can do it with other electronics. Almost all targeted individuals report these kinds of tests of electronic control. I will save my amazing accounts for the movie of real footage in order for you to see and believe. These capabilities far exceed the older weapons of EMP and HERF that could stall your car or fry your data drives. The military gremlins are wreaking havoc in their electronic warfare exercises on the unsuspecting citizens. See the appendix for the Air Force Directed Energy “truly futuristic” weapons description. Perhaps EMP and HERF weapons could be tested on the ionospheric heaters and their computing facilities to see if a minor disruption would cure thousands of people of pain and “mental illness” worldwide.

EEG Heterodyned inspired Hollywood movies
These weapons tests by treasonous power addicts in the conspiracy on people for the last 30 years have inspired many movies besides “The Matrix”. I have seen many movies where television white noise communicates voices or images. “Poltergeist”, and “White Noise” are movies which describe the effects of Stocklin’s patent on voice transmission directly to the audio cortex. It is simply an amplification of the perceived sounds in the frequencies of the audio transmission. So white noise would be ideal for stimulating the neural frequency circuits that a voice transmission via induced neuron amplification would need. It would be perceived by the target as the voice coming from the sound source. A similar effect for visual imagery in white noise can be achieved with stimulating the visual cortex.

Hypnosis as a weapon
There have been endless programs discovered by the freedom of information act that show how the CIA is developing hypnosis as a weapon. RHIC (remote hypnosis intracerebral control) is a continued program and part of the weapons effects program. Hypnosis is mainly thought of as a way to cure bad habits or uncover repressed memories. It can be used very powerfully in reverse to repress memories, create false memories, and program assassins or self destructive behavior.

I can only recommend to read Robert Duncan's PDF: Must Read: The Matrix Deciphered by Dr Robert Duncan

[MariaDine]

Thank you friends for the info posted above.
I decided to search for Dr. Malanga videos on youtube.
I understand italian so, it's great to hear the original.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=0QDPrUD_X00

JO

[Houman]

Posted by sms (here)
There are some indications that a human being with an integrated consciousness, can not be destroyed by aliens. Say, if attacked, his consciousness may do two things, first, make him invisible by switching from particle into a wave mode, or use its energy to destroy the alien (turning him into a wave). This may happen beyond the perception of the personality (the coachman) or his “waking consciousness”. Though, a human being with an integrated consciousness does not “know it all”, because, he is here to experience the physical reality. If we would have a foreknowledge of everything, we would not be able to experience it. Let’s say, as a wave, you can know the theoretical part, but to gain an experience, put a theory into a praxis, to gain and understanding and knowledge about something, you have to interact with the reality or certain events as a particle.

Like in that double slit experiment which was conducted by physicists a while ago, an electron behaved as a particle when observed (interacted with) and as a wave, when not observed (not interacted with).

So, the aliens seem not to be a problem for a human being with an integrated consciousness. He may look at them as we look at sharks. Sharks eat people, however, we can not seek to eradicate them because they eat people. They eat those they can, who are not aware enough or ignorant of the sharks and how to protect themselves.

It is all about the gaining of consciousness through experiencing the creation and this goes on an individual basis and this should be respected.

Sadly if they can't directly affect a human being (with an integrated consciousness?) it doesn't prevent them from trying it indirectly by going after people close to him/her...