The Church of Scientology - a cult of abuse

[RMorgan]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by RMorgan (here)
Jamie is an active participant in anti-Scientology movements, and he obviously doesn´t have many good things to say about his great grandfather.

If LRH was a family relative of mine, I might have some criticisms of him as well. I'm sure he was really hard to live with, for a large number of reasons. Tesla, Einstein and Royal Rife were probably equally difficult.

But his work is a huge legacy of brilliance, and proper application of his techniques (note: proper application!) can yield transformational results, along with the occasional genuine miracle. That's more important than what his great-grandson thought of him.

Hey Bill,

Well, his great grandson depicts him as "the father of all conmen", as a cult leader who enslaved thousands of people, so I wouldn´t exactly call it "some criticism"...And he´s not the only one who accuses L.R.Hubbard of charlatanism; I´m sure you know that, though.

Changing a family´s last name is not the result of "some criticism" as well, if you ask me...I can think of a few reasons which would force a family to do that; all of them very serious, mostly connected either to shame or fear.

Honestly, even charlatans can encourage people to experience life changing experiences (Watch the Kumare movie for a perfect example of that); We all know how the mind can be powerful regarding self-suggestion, including placebo techniques. However, it doesn´t make a charlatan any better or brighter.

Well, I´ll keep it short...I really don´t want to get involved in this discussion any further...

Unbelievable; That´s all I can say. Seeing a scientologist preaching his nonsense around here is...well...surprising? And seeing you and the mods supporting it is something I didn´t expect at all. I thought you knew better than that...

Raf.

[Eram]

Our actions and realizations are either ego based (that which doesn't understand it's relation with source), or true self (god, higher self, soul, source etc) based.

We either program ourselves (ego) or we create ourselves (true self).

Every attempt to better ourselves trough programming is putting layers over layers of ego.

NLP, Hypnotherapy, the Secret, Celestine prophecy... you name it.... it is all a programming tool to make for a better life, but when the old program is simply overwritten en not resolved through actual healing.... you are only making the union bigger and it doesn't matter how much you convinced yourself to have bettered.

dianetics?..... well... you can figure it out for yourself

[Strat]

Posted by RMorgan (here)
Honestly, even charlatans can encourage people to experience life changing experiences (Watch the Kumare movie for a perfect example of that); We all know how the mind can be powerful regarding self-suggestion. However, it doesn´t make a charlatan any better.

Phenomenal documentary! I've watched it on Netflix like 100 times. It's an excellent look at the human psyche and how some people are looking for the 'answer' and assigning it (the answer) accordingly.

Also, if I ever meet that gal in the doc that had the red hair and was a yoga instructor....marriage on site. That's exactly what I'm looking for in a girl: borderline hippy, deep thinker and yoga instructor.

[Maunagarjana]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
I don't think anyone on this forum is going to argue with you on that subject music.

And anyone who has experienced the beneficial results of the original LRH tech will tell you that the tech and the church are two totally different things.

Yes, they're two very different things.

An analogy would be the vast repertoire of tools and techniques used by honest and skilled mechanics to repair the engine of your car... vs. the dishonest and crooked mechanic who takes your car in, charges you a fortune, and then doesn't really fix it at all so that you keep on having to come back for more expensive repairs. And meanwhile, the car never runs right after that again at all.

The problem is the unethical mechanic. Not the tools.

Thank you for not referring to it as "the tech". The lingo of Scientology to me is like nails on a chalkboard.

[Maunagarjana]

I find it interesting what Bashar has to say about the Church of Scientology, that it an organization for and by Orion starseeds. (That's something that would not have occurred to me, lol) Mind you that Darryl Anka is a former Scientologist.

https://whenandnow.wordpress.com/201...gy-and-bashar/

[music]

Hi Bill, I assume Ron's org uses the same techniques as main branch Scientology, and if we allow for the time being that it is the programming itself that has bugs, then this is what I would be referring to as residual programming.

I'm afraid that the letter and interview of one person claiming that Scientology was infiltrated, and all the claims of abuse are dis-info is just one voice amongst many, but so far the only voice I have read that claims this. Other voices we have already heard. Is there any more than this? Or do I believe that instead of abusing children, Hubbard was actually abused and imprisoned by a bunch of 5 - 7 year old mind controlled CIA kids, just on the say so of one "former" member?

Has it never occurred to anyone that Dane Tops is the dis-info and damage control agent?

So, for now, I will say I remain unconvinced, but please, I would be glad to read something other than "it was the CIA/Illuminati" testimony of one person - this is a very easy thing to say, and a apparently a very easy one to believe.

I will download the mp3 interview and listen to it later. I am not one who bows at the feet of the BBC though, I have seen proof of them manipuling truth to serve gov't agenda during the Miner's strike in Thatcher's Britain. It would be good if it contains an interview with Tops so I can hear his voice. I will download video of him too discussing the matter, as the facial cues and body language of a person often tell us much.

[InCiDeR]

Posted by RMorgan (here)
(...)Watch the Kumare movie for a perfect example of that); We all know how the mind can be powerful regarding self-suggestion. However, it doesn´t make a charlatan any better or brighter.(...)
Raf.

If you curious about Kumare, you can find it here

You might also need this

[eaglespirit]

It is completely baffling to me why you are still "labeling" Jim, a scientologist. He is an ol' cowboy from Utah. He is not embedded in the religion. He simply went to work years ago, in his own way, and simply put to personal use what his research brought forth for him.

The reason I am personally adamant about this is because it resonates so strongly with me and my "Spirit" happenings on that Native American Hill in Massachusetts in January of 2007. I have experienced ALL of this to one degree or another in one form or another from an entirely different venue, that, well...is probably ALL the same at another level of existence and vibration.

I have been calling the connection our higher family and friends....it was so pure and uplifting...and I considered it nothing but a gift and changed my whole direction of life pursuit because of it.

Can the benefit of the doubt be put into practice here on this forum for "independent" cases like this once and fo all?

Why must it be pigeon-holed?

We really are above and beyond all of this and we really are at a crossroads where more and more people are literally stepping into their own higher powers.

The good that comes of this is the good that each of us does with it.

If you do not want to do anything with it then don't...it is that simple.

Change things for the better any way you know and want...but let Jim's visit here play itself out for the highest good.

imho...there have been a number of happenings that have shut things down like this here before.

Let's help each other help each other connect to our own higher family and friends or whatever it is to you and powerfully spiritually change things...the more of us doing this actively through this forum connection the more intensely good and wonderful the higher metamorphosis on the planet.

And if simply taking a walk in nature is your way to do it, do it...but stop yanking people's hearts out here that are genuinely trying to help and also clear things up. We really are above all this

It's obvious that Jim's hard work means something here...let it be and go on about bettering the world your own ways.

See You Onward Upward and Beyond : )

And I Do Love You All!

[Fred Steeves]

Posted by music (here)
Has it never occurred to anyone that Dane Tops is the dis-info and damage control agent?

The Church Of Scientology is chock full of drama, as is their "Free Zone" break aways, and the ever ongoing struggle between the two. As is also a forum, our lives, etc., etc.. There are good and bad people on forums, in our lives, and in all of Scientology's facets. The trick is as always IMO, do we allow ourselves to become immersed in the drama (we all do it to varying extents), or are we able to take gradual steps back from it, getting clearer and clearer perspectives as we do so?

Sure Scientology is guilty of much abuse, as is practically every other group or religion on this dark planet. Sometimes though we can find "friends" in the most unlikely of places, as well as "foes". And sometimes...More so lately...I tend to think the two may be one in the same, just with vastly different ways of expression.

When we REALLY get down to the nitty gritty of things, what are we doing when we choose sides in a fight? Or when we declare "you are evil, and you are good?" Isn't that war???

Honestly music, I can't quite wrap my head around that one. Not yet anyway. It dogs me, even psyches me out a bit from time to time, but I'm driven to keep asking myself that question. And you know why? Because some little Gremlin in the back of my mind keeps whispering: "Maybe, just maybe, searching for an answer to that question is the only way out of this".

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by music (here)
Hi Bill, I assume Ron's org uses the same techniques as main branch Scientology, and if we allow for the time being that it is the programming itself that has bugs, then this is what I would be referring to as residual programming.

I'm afraid that the letter and interview of one person claiming that Scientology was infiltrated, and all the claims of abuse are dis-info is just one voice amongst many, but so far the only voice I have read that claims this. Other voices we have already heard. Is there any more than this? Or do I believe that instead of abusing children, Hubbard was actually abused and imprisoned by a bunch of 5 - 7 year old mind controlled CIA kids, just on the say so of one "former" member?

Has it never occurred to anyone that Dane Tops is the dis-info and damage control agent?

So, for now, I will say I remain unconvinced, but please, I would be glad to read something other than "it was the CIA/Illuminati" testimony of one person - this is a very easy thing to say, and a apparently a very easy one to believe.

I will download the mp3 interview and listen to it later. I am not one who bows at the feet of the BBC though, I have seen proof of them manipuling truth to serve gov't agenda during the Miner's strike in Thatcher's Britain. It would be good if it contains an interview with Tops so I can hear his voice. I will download video of him too discussing the matter, as the facial cues and body language of a person often tell us much.

Dane Tops (not his real name) will never go on video or audio -- the 'Church' has already spent many hundreds of thousands of dollars and countless man-hours looking for him for the last 30 years. That tells you plenty.



If you really do feel in doubt about whether Dane Tops may be a 'disinfo agent', then (apologies: I can't say it in any other way) -- Boy, are you confused! You stand a risk of joining the ranks of those who claim that David Icke and I are paid by the CIA.

I am not saying this about you at all, but the point is this: with no effective moral or intellectual map or compass to guide someone, they may eventually end up believing anything -- and are then the #1 sitting ducks for propaganda.

[thunder24]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Dane Tops (not his real name) will never go on video or audio -- the 'Church' has already spent many hundreds of thousands of dollars and countless man-hours looking for him for the last 30 years. That tells you plenty.



If you really do feel in doubt about whether Dane Tops may be a 'disinfo agent', then (apologies: I can't say it in any other way) -- Boy, are you confused! You stand a risk of joining the ranks of those who claim that David Icke and I are paid by the CIA.

I am not saying this about you at all, but the point is this: with no effective moral or intellectual map or compass to guide someone, they may eventually end up believing anything -- and are then the #1 sitting ducks for propaganda.

hhhhhmmmmmm.......brings back memories of charles this quote does...

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by RMorgan (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by RMorgan (here)
Jamie is an active participant in anti-Scientology movements, and he obviously doesn´t have many good things to say about his great grandfather.

If LRH was a family relative of mine, I might have some criticisms of him as well. I'm sure he was really hard to live with, for a large number of reasons. Tesla, Einstein and Royal Rife were probably equally difficult.

But his work is a huge legacy of brilliance, and proper application of his techniques (note: proper application!) can yield transformational results, along with the occasional genuine miracle. That's more important than what his great-grandson thought of him.

Hey Bill,

Well, his great grandson depicts him as "the father of all conmen", as a cult leader who enslaved thousands of people, so I wouldn´t exactly call it "some criticism"...And he´s not the only one who accuses L.R.Hubbard of charlatanism; I´m sure you know that, though.

Changing a family´s last name is not the result of "some criticism" as well, if you ask me...I can think of a few reasons which would force a family to do that; all of them very serious, mostly connected either to shame or fear.

Honestly, even charlatans can encourage people to experience life changing experiences (Watch the Kumare movie for a perfect example of that); We all know how the mind can be powerful regarding self-suggestion, including placebo techniques. However, it doesn´t make a charlatan any better or brighter.

Well, I´ll keep it short...I really don´t want to get involved in this discussion any further...

Unbelievable; That´s all I can say. Seeing a scientologist preaching his nonsense around here is...well...surprising? And seeing you and the mods supporting it is something I didn´t expect at all. I thought you knew better than that...

Raf.

Hi there, Raf: not 'supporting' it. Some of what Jim writes I barely understand.

Just (see my posts) adding some points of clarification and -- importantly -- personal experience. That is where I come from. I never knew LRH (before my time, and I was never in the 'Church' anyway) -- but I did know CBR (Bill Robertson). I know what CBR stood for, and have gained a huge amount from the processes he researched and developed, all founded solidly on LRH basic precepts and axioms.

LRH was no doubt many things; but his techniques work, and work extraordinarily well, sometimes miraculously -- when properly applied. Don't confuse the corrupt mechanics in the Mafia-run shop with the vast array of the tools and work manuals that have all been developed to be used by humans as they wish.

The 'as they wish' part is important. A scalpel and anesthetics can be used for life-renewing open heart surgery -- or to kill someone. The scalpel has no say in the way it is used, as it's only a tool. As you will certainly understand, being a student of science (and a very good one, too!), scientific development can be used in every way imaginable, from one end of the moral spectrum to the other.

[Sidney]

When the LRH thread started, the first thing I thought of was the CHarles thing. Of course we are going to be gun shy about someone making claims like being the second coming of BUddah. Probably a lot of folks will think he is FOS. I personally do not know anything about Buddah, but I have seen the Dane Tops interview some time ago, and I felt he was telling the truth. Do I think Jimini is Buddah returned? I have no idea, and it does not matter to me if he is or isn't. There has been plenty of conversations here at avalon about all of us having past lives, of which we have no clue who we were, or how many lifetimes we have actually experienced throughout the centuries. I might have been ISIS or even HORUS, or a house cat : ) Apparently there are ways to find out if and who and when, regardless if it was in the past,future, or in the now(other dimensions), its just that many of us have not been privy to accessing this information, and I believe the works of LRH is important, and could possibly help us access the esoteric sides of life that we have not been able to experience before, and gain more knowledge that has been hidden from us. Honestly I never heard of LRH before Jimini started the thread, and its nice to have another angle of our history to look at. The only thing I have a problem with is the fact that LRH ego got the best of him and he was not quite as enlightened as people once thought he was because of this. As far as the abuse in Scientology, IMO, is a separate issue al ltogether. The work of LRH is seperate from the man. And LRH is not the whole of scientology. I do believe it was taken over by the cabal, mainly because it makes sense that they would. Is there proof? Maybe , maybe not..If there is will it be found? Probably not. This is my viewpoint anyway, and just another back road on the journey.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Wantsthetruth74 (here)
As far as the abuse in Scientology, IMO, is a separate issue al ltogether. The work of LRH is seperate from the man.

Yes, it is. For me personally, I'm aware that the idea of LRH being the 'Maitreya' has been discussed before and elsewhere, but it feels quite irrelevant. If he was a reincarnation of the Buddha (or of anyone!), but his techniques didn't actually work, then we'd just be left with a belief system... which is not what this is about.

I don't want an impressive figurehead who offers useless tools. I want good tools, and it doesn't matter who comes up with them. This is not some kind of superstar competition. For me, it's about pragmatics.

Posted by Wantsthetruth74 (here)
And LRH is not the whole of scientology. I do believe it was taken over by the cabal, mainly because it makes sense that they would. Is there proof? Maybe , maybe not..If there is will it be found? Probably not.

Actually, there's plenty of proof, from witnesses (and there are many of them), and from data-trailing and dot-connecting all the evidence, and from looking at how the techniques have been changed so that they no longer work properly in the hands of 'Church' auditors (and they have).

And (this is a quite different area) -- how the 'Church' uses their variant of 'black magic' (a covert, unethical misapplication of what should be spiritual therapeutic techniques) to target and harm their enemies. Look this up.. it's called 'Black NOTs'. This is a reality. I've been targeted myself, many times.

But this is a specialist job, to track all that down and document it. It's rather like trying to show someone who knows little about the current takeover of the planet that there's been a coup on Planet Earth. If you know (as most readers of this post do!), then it's 'obvious'... but if you don't know, it takes a lot of patient laying out. The analogy between the two, though, is close.

[norman]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

I don't want an impressive figurehead who offers useless tools. I want good tools, and it doesn't matter who comes up with them. This is not some kind of superstar competition. For me, it's about pragmatics.

prag·ma·tism (prgm-tzm)n.1. Philosophy A movement consisting of varying but associated theories, originally developed by Charles S. Peirce and William James and distinguished by the doctrine that the meaning of an idea or a proposition lies in its observable practical consequences.

And each person's situation is a unique position to assess such a practical concequense.

In reality, pragmatism isn't something we can broadcast as a "movement" or a social remedy. As we invest more into broadcast 'pragmatism', we invest more in 'collateral' personal losses.

In my own view, that is beginning to step down the path that is already trodden by the very merciless crooks we oppose. (.... ? .... )

[Sidney]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Wantsthetruth74 (here)
As far as the abuse in Scientology, IMO, is a separate issue al ltogether. The work of LRH is seperate from the man.

Yes, it is. For me personally, I'm aware that the idea of LRH being the 'Maitreya' has been discussed before and elsewhere, but it feels quite irrelevant. If he was a reincarnation of the Buddha (or of anyone!), but his techniques didn't actually work, then we'd just be left with a belief system... which is not what this is about.

I don't want an impressive figurehead who offers useless tools. I want good tools, and it doesn't matter who comes up with them. This is not some kind of superstar competition. For me, it's about pragmatics.

Posted by Wantsthetruth74 (here)
And LRH is not the whole of scientology. I do believe it was taken over by the cabal, mainly because it makes sense that they would. Is there proof? Maybe , maybe not..If there is will it be found? Probably not.

Actually, there's plenty of proof, from witnesses (and there are many of them), and from data-trailing and dot-connecting all the evidence, and from looking at how the techniques have been changed so that they no longer work properly in the hands of 'Church' auditors (and they have).

And (this is a quite different area) -- how the 'Church' uses their variant of 'black magic' (a covert, unethical misapplication of what should be spiritual therapeutic techniques) to target and harm their enemies. Look this up.. it's called 'Black NOTs'. This is a reality. I've been targeted myself, many times.

But this is a specialist job, to track all that down and document it. It's rather like trying to show someone who knows little about the current takeover of the planet that there's been a coup on Planet Earth. If you know (as most readers of this post do!), then it's 'obvious'... but if you don't know, it takes a lot of patient laying out. The analogy between the two, though, is close.

Well that is GREAT! I was just speculating as I am a total illiterate on this subject matter. If theres proof, then the cabal is obviously aware of this and have their tail between their legs. Things are moving along faster than I realized. YAY

[music]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by music (here)
Hi Bill, I assume Ron's org uses the same techniques as main branch Scientology, and if we allow for the time being that it is the programming itself that has bugs, then this is what I would be referring to as residual programming.

I'm afraid that the letter and interview of one person claiming that Scientology was infiltrated, and all the claims of abuse are dis-info is just one voice amongst many, but so far the only voice I have read that claims this. Other voices we have already heard. Is there any more than this? Or do I believe that instead of abusing children, Hubbard was actually abused and imprisoned by a bunch of 5 - 7 year old mind controlled CIA kids, just on the say so of one "former" member?

Has it never occurred to anyone that Dane Tops is the dis-info and damage control agent?

So, for now, I will say I remain unconvinced, but please, I would be glad to read something other than "it was the CIA/Illuminati" testimony of one person - this is a very easy thing to say, and a apparently a very easy one to believe.

I will download the mp3 interview and listen to it later. I am not one who bows at the feet of the BBC though, I have seen proof of them manipuling truth to serve gov't agenda during the Miner's strike in Thatcher's Britain. It would be good if it contains an interview with Tops so I can hear his voice. I will download video of him too discussing the matter, as the facial cues and body language of a person often tell us much.

Dane Tops (not his real name) will never go on video or audio -- the 'Church' has already spent many hundreds of thousands of dollars and countless man-hours looking for him for the last 30 years. That tells you plenty.



If you really do feel in doubt about whether Dane Tops may be a 'disinfo agent', then (apologies: I can't say it in any other way) -- Boy, are you confused! You stand a risk of joining the ranks of those who claim that David Icke and I are paid by the CIA.

I am not saying this about you at all, but the point is this: with no effective moral or intellectual map or compass to guide someone, they may eventually end up believing anything -- and are then the #1 sitting ducks for propaganda.

In an earlier post, Bill, I say ...

... I find you a likable person

and then ...

I am no better than you, Bill, I am no better than the Christ Consciousness, I am no better than Hubbard or Hitler, yet I love every single being with my high heart equally. I don’t like Hubbard or Hitler (based on my current understanding and energetic reading of these entites), but I don’t have to. To me, “dislike” means “I love you, but I see the things that you do are not conducive to the greater common good”, and part of my role is to see this.

I can't make it any clearer than that - this is not a personal crusade against anyone, merely my attempt to discern truth. I have a very fine intellectual and spiritual map and compass, thank you very much, but like all travellers, it is true, sometime I get lost. Though I fail to see how wanting more to go on than just Dane Tops (not his real name), who won't expose either his voice or image as he makes his claims. Sure, I understand that if he is on the level, there is good reason for that, but I remain unconvinced. I would be a fool to base a vision of truth on that.

Allow me to quote Dane Tops (who I suspect is XXXX - edit: on second thoughts I decided to remove the name)

But, instead, it was heavily attacked and he was attacked, and it was finally taken down through children. And I believe those children themselves were part of a psychic program, because those children were given jobs in the organization to run the adults.

They were called “The Messenger Org”. They never went to real school. They were like five, six, seven years old. They were his servants and the only people who could get close to him. ...

(Kerry Cassidy: Did they go on the boat? How many children, and did they go on the boat with him?)

Yeah, they were the only ones who had access to Ron. The adults couldn’t even get to him, only the children could. And it’s the children who took over the organization.

Now I am not saying that the notion below is the truth either, but it is just one of many voices, though I'm sure I can be made to look foolish for leaning toward these unsubstantiated claims, rather than Dane Tops' unsubstantiated claims

But some ex-Scientologists have less regard for the teachings of L. Ron Hubbard. One of them is Aaron Saxton, a New Zealander who spent eight years — from his mid-teens through his early 20s — as part of Scientology’s elite paramilitary corps, Sea Org. Read on to learn his thoughts on Independent Scientologists, Sea Org, violence, coerced abortion, rape, false imprisonment, and the many other delights allegedly awaiting those who take seriously L. Ron Hubbard’s declaration that “your search is over, but the adventure has just begun.”

In my defence, these claims seem more plausible to me than the claims that a gang of 5-7 year old psychically trained children fundamentally imprisoned and isolated Hubbard to discredit his mission to save all us scum here on the prison planet.

Whenever there is a long litany of child abuse to consider, I don't think it's unreasonable to have a little something more to go than what you have provided thus far. Otherwise I might just be a #1 sitting duck for propaganda.

But, this will just become circular. If you have nothing else to bring to the table, we will just have to respectfully agree to disagree, and my involvement with this thread will cease.

[music]

Posted by Fred Steeves (here)

Posted by music (here)
Has it never occurred to anyone that Dane Tops is the dis-info and damage control agent?

The Church Of Scientology is chock full of drama, as is their "Free Zone" break aways, and the ever ongoing struggle between the two. As is also a forum, our lives, etc., etc.. There are good and bad people on forums, in our lives, and in all of Scientology's facets. The trick is as always IMO, do we allow ourselves to become immersed in the drama (we all do it to varying extents), or are we able to take gradual steps back from it, getting clearer and clearer perspectives as we do so?

Sure Scientology is guilty of much abuse, as is practically every other group or religion on this dark planet. Sometimes though we can find "friends" in the most unlikely of places, as well as "foes". And sometimes...More so lately...I tend to think the two may be one in the same, just with vastly different ways of expression.

When we REALLY get down to the nitty gritty of things, what are we doing when we choose sides in a fight? Or when we declare "you are evil, and you are good?" Isn't that war???

Honestly music, I can't quite wrap my head around that one. Not yet anyway. It dogs me, even psyches me out a bit from time to time, but I'm driven to keep asking myself that question. And you know why? Because some little Gremlin in the back of my mind keeps whispering: "Maybe, just maybe, searching for an answer to that question is the only way out of this".

The voice of reason, as always Fred. And I often act from the head before putting my hand on my heart. You are right, it achieves nothing, and we would all be better placed reading enfoldedblue's latest thread than expending energy here perpetuating de-vision.

[music]

Posted by eaglespirit (here)
It is completely baffling to me why you are still "labeling" Jim, a scientologist. He is an ol' cowboy from Utah. He is not embedded in the religion. He simply went to work years ago, in his own way, and simply put to personal use what his research brought forth for him.

The reason I am personally adamant about this is because it resonates so strongly with me and my "Spirit" happenings on that Native American Hill in Massachusetts in January of 2007. I have experienced ALL of this to one degree or another in one form or another from an entirely different venue, that, well...is probably ALL the same at another level of existence and vibration.

I have been calling the connection our higher family and friends....it was so pure and uplifting...and I considered it nothing but a gift and changed my whole direction of life pursuit because of it.

Can the benefit of the doubt be put into practice here on this forum for "independent" cases like this once and fo all?

Why must it be pigeon-holed?

We really are above and beyond all of this and we really are at a crossroads where more and more people are literally stepping into their own higher powers.

The good that comes of this is the good that each of us does with it.

If you do not want to do anything with it then don't...it is that simple.

Change things for the better any way you know and want...but let Jim's visit here play itself out for the highest good.

imho...there have been a number of happenings that have shut things down like this here before.

Let's help each other help each other connect to our own higher family and friends or whatever it is to you and powerfully spiritually change things...the more of us doing this actively through this forum connection the more intensely good and wonderful the higher metamorphosis on the planet.

And if simply taking a walk in nature is your way to do it, do it...but stop yanking people's hearts out here that are genuinely trying to help and also clear things up. We really are above all this

It's obvious that Jim's hard work means something here...let it be and go on about bettering the world your own ways.

See You Onward Upward and Beyond : )

And I Do Love You All!

I'm sorry, I missed this gem from you. All I have to say to you my friend is "I see you" and you know what I mean by that.

[eaglespirit]

Posted by music (here)
I'm sorry, I missed this gem from you. All I have to say to you my friend is "I see you" and you know what I mean by that.

Love to You, Music...and wishing you well : )

We are gong to experience an 'immaculate resolve' of the highest kind for children everywhere , imho : )