LRH (L. Ron Hubbard)

[Hervé]

Posted by jiminii (here)
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thetans (eyes of a spirit) are being dumped on this planet from many systems ... not just this galaxy ... it is on the rim of this galaxy so it is a handy place to dump unwanted material ... but that is real Thetans, (remember the spirit is outside the box using the thetan to see inside the box) .. The GE's just keep making bodies ... but the number of Thetans that are here are only those that are dumped here ... so the amount of bodies being created here is happening much faster than they can dump Thetans here so that is why you get more GE's than Thetans ..

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jim...

Hi jim,

I am trying to follow the rationale and mathematics of the above in comparison to LRH data on the subject:

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
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For this planet, and for this Confederacy of the 21 adjacent stars and its 76 planets; the Incident Two… it is a very long and [?] complex incident… all in 36 days.

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... the trick was to shoot somebody, disable somebody, very often a needle into a lung and at the same time to hit him with frozen alcohol and glycol which preparation is guaranteed to pick up a thetan. All they had to do was: pick him up and put him in a refrigerator and they had him boy. When he tried to exteriorize from the body, there he was -- frozen.

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People were ferried in here [Earth] by the billions and the billions and the billions and they were ferried in here with boxes and they were put in boxes and stacked around and the people who were on this planet already, just caught it in the teeth, nobody bothered to pick them up.

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These planets averaged 178 billion human beings per planet. One hundred and seventy eight billion. There were 250 billion on this planet, the name of this planet was Teegeeak and this is known as the “bomb-place” and this is the “evil place.” This is the place [?pretty much all of it?] got smashed.

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So that you actually – bunch of thetans and they get bombed...

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... blew the thetans into the air and after the bomb, an electronic ribbon which also was a type of standing wave was erected over the area. The tremendous winds on the planet blew every thetan there was straight in to those particular vacuum zones which had been created. These were brought down, packed up and put in front of projection machines [?] with sound and colored pictures. First gave them the implant which you know as “Clearing Course.” Then, a whole track [was] implanted which you know as OT II.

After this, however, about the remainder of the 36 days, which is the bulk of it, is taken up with a 3D, super colossal motion picture which has to do with “God,” the Devil, Space Opera, etc.

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Everybody on the planet was killed and about three days afterwards is actually when the implanters started operating. They had it all rigged to operate.

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Now, the net result of all of this, was to make a 75 million year vacuum. That’s as far as this part of the universe is concerned. You wonder why: “Why don’t… if there are saucers around, why don’t they land on this planet?”

This planet, traditionally, over the various zones and area has an evil reputation. Mutineers and deserters and that sort of thing were often dumped on this planet. They’ll often come here and refuge because they know nobody’s gonna come after them.

This planet is the planet of the evil repute and this sector of the universe has a very evil repute.

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... the change of life that men get and women get and so on is all dictated in this sickness implant; people are supposed to get sick. Also, a body was only supposed to live seventy years which is a bunch of balderdash. Before R6, and so forth they lived on and on and on and on… there was no such thing as death. They taught people death, they taught them amnesia, these various things. They all come from this zone and area.

Now, that is peculiar and only to this planet and to this confederation. There have been other implants of various kind and sizes but this is probably one of the longest, most violent and wildest implant in this sector of the universe.

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Now, realize, when you are auditing a PC, for god sake’s, that you are auditing against this background. You are auditing against the background of tailor-made sickness, auditing against the background of this and that and the other things. Now, the Grades take one very smoothly up this line that you are auditing basically a sick PC.

Why?

He is on Earth now!

So, what do you do?

Standard tech, follow the line, go right on up the groove.

Because these are the things which stand in the road of any thetan, not just the people of this planet.

But “III” happens in other zones and places, something goes up and 5 or 6 thetans are in the way and are all caught together in this space wagon, [?knocked up?], think of themselves as just one thetan and get all smashed together and stay that way for a while. Somebody kills another body in a duel and the owner of the second body is so revengeful that he jumps on the first guy and this guy is now a “dual being” who sort of “hates himself.”

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So, if I get this straight, there were 250 billions thetans collected from the electronic nets, not including the others that were since dumped on, or sought refuge, here.

Compared to only 7 billion GEs available… I think that makes for a lot of unemployed GEs as well as a lot of thetans without vehicles and stuck with their trauma on the "ghost" side of life which makes "bodies" a rare commodity in very high demand in this sector of the universe...

So, would you mind taking a good “look” at this?

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As for the "druidic" upbringing, LRH, in many lectures, compared the psychiatrists' botching of human life as the modern equivalent of the druids' tradition of "sacrifice" which indicates he wasn't too keen in adhering to the druids' tradition he may have studied. A tradition he found out many a psychiatrist, in his time, were practicing.

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On the other hand, he was made blood brother by a native shaman/medicine man when he was a kid... not that many individuals can claim that, whether native or not.

[Sierra]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
So, if I get this straight, there were 250 billions thetans collected from the electronic nets, not including the others that were since dumped on, or sought refuge, here.

Compared to only 7 billion GEs available… I think that makes for a lot of unemployed GEs as well as a lot of thetans without vehicles and stuck with their trauma on the "ghost" side of life which makes "bodies" a rare commodity in very high demand in this sector of the universe...

So, would you mind taking a good “look” at this?

Perhaps in 80 some trillion years, (at one point) there were that many people incarnated... Sounds crowded.

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
On the other hand, he was made blood brother by a native shaman/medicine man when he was a kid... not that many individuals can claim that, whether native or not.

Indeed. Quite the accelerated path from birth.

Sierra

[jiminii]

Posted by jiminii (here)

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by turiya (here)
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Just can't help but to post the following in a kind of response...

turiya

Why not post this in Bill's Q&A thread?

I'll be very interested in his own answer because, as far as I am concerned, Osho is advocating the very premise of Scientology, the philosophy, since Scientology is an applied philosophy that has taken on the "religion" label because it deals with "theta"/"spirit"/spirituality which, by definition, is the domain of "religion":

STATIC,
1. a static is something without mass, without wavelength, without time, and actually without position. That’s a static and that is the definition of zero. (5410CM06)

2 . a static by definition, is something that is in a complete equilibrium. It isn’t moving and that’s why we’ve used the word static. Not in an engineering sense but in its absolute dictionary sense. (5608C--)

3 . an actuality of no mass, no wave-length, no position in space or relation in time, but with the quality of creating or destroying mass or energy, locating itself or creating space, and of re-relating time. (Dn 55!, p. 29)

4 . something which has no motion. The word is from the Latin, sto meaning stand. No part of mest can be static, but theta is static. Theta has no motion. Even when the mest it controls is moving in space and time, theta is not moving, since theta is not in space or time. (Abil 114A)

5 . has no motion, it has no width, length, breadth, depth; it is not held in suspension by an equilibrium of forces; it does not have mass; it does not contain wave-lengths; it has no situation in time or space. (Scn 8-8008, p. 13)

6 . the simplest thing there is is a static, but a static is not nothingness. These are not synonyms. We speak of it carelessly as a nothingness. That’s because we say nothingness in relationship to the space and objects of the material universe. Life has a quality. It has an ability. When we say nothingness we simply mean it has no quantity. There is no quantitative factor. (5411CM05)


THETAN,
1. the living unit we call, in Scn, a thetan, that being taken from the Greek letter theta, the mathematic symbol used in Scn to indicate the source of life and life itself. (Abil Ma 1)

2 . the awareness of awareness unit which has all potentialities but no mass, no wave-length and no location. (HCOB 3 Jul 59)

3 . the being who is the individual and who handles and lives in the body. (HCOB 23 Apr 69)

4 . (spirit) is described in Scn as having no mass, no wave-length, no energy and no time or location in space except by consideration or postulate. The spirit is not a thing. It is the creator of things. (FOT, p. 55)

5 . the personality and beingness which actually is the individual and is aware of being aware and is ordinarily and normally the “person” and who the individual thinks he is. The thetan is immortal and is possessed of capabilities well in excess of those hitherto predicted for man. (Scn 8-8008, p. 9)

6 . the name given to the life source. It is the individual, the being, the personality, the knowingness of the human being. (Scn 8-80, p. 46)

7 . energyspace production unit. (COHA, p. 247)

8 . in the final analysis what is this thing called thetan? It is simply you before you mocked yourself up and that is the handiest definition I know of. (5608C——)

9 . the person himself—not his body or his name, the physical universe, his mind, or anything else; that which is aware of being aware; the identity which is the individual. The thetan is most familiar to one and all as you. (Aud 25 UK)

1 0 . a static that can consider, and can produce space and energy and objects . (PXL, p . 121 )


VIEWPOINT,
1. a point of awareness from which one can perceive. (PAB 2)

2 . that thing which an individual puts out remotely, to look through. A system of remote lookingness— we’ll call it just remote viewpoint. That’s a specialized kind of viewpoint. And the place from which the individual is himself looking, we’ll call flatly a viewpoint. (2ACC 17A, 5312CM07)

3 . evaluation is the reactive mind’s conception of viewpoint. The reactive mind does not perceive, it evaluates. To the analytical mind it may sometimes appear that the reactive mind has a viewpoint. The reactive mind does not have a viewpoint, it has an evaluation of viewpoint. Thus the viewpoint of the analytical mind is an actual point from which one perceives. Perception is done by sight, sound, smell, tactile, etc. The reactive mind’s ‘viewpoint’ is an opinion based on another opinion and upon a very small amount of observation, and that observation would be formed out of uncertainties. Thus the confusion of the word viewpoint itself. It can be a point from which one can be aware, which is its analytical definition, and it can be somebody’s ideas on a certain subject which is the reactive definition. (CONA, pp. 208-209)

this definition of thetan is ok but it doesn't allow another timeline to work in the equation

the above is copied from murder of LRH ... should clarify a definition

following is from jim

if you have multiple timelines running other bodies from the same spirit with their own memories separate from the timelines .. that is I don't know the life experiences of my other timelines like those other bodies I am running they each have their own memories

the only one that has all the memories is the spirit himself

so to make a better definition you would have to say the thetan is one of the viewpoints of the spirit and has it's own memories
and the spirit has all the memories of all the viewpoints it can use to do whatever it does ...

and one more thing LRH separated the definitions of spirit to allow us to see there is 2 separate entities running the body

the GE and the thetan
because some might think the spirit is the ghost .. it is not

so if you want to clarify it you have to make another definition for the spirit that is running all of it

so maybe thetan for viewpoint

GE for ghost

and some other greek letter for spirit with a n added to it

that would clarify all the definitions
exactly

jim

[turiya]

Posted by Flash (here)

Posted by turiya (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by jiminii (here)
I have 4 bodies on this planet ...

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No time just now to elaborate, but I want to confirm that this kind of apparently off-the-wall information is real. Our higher selves can operate more than one identity as a human. This is addressed and processed at the very highest levels of the Ron's Org ''bridge', and was researched by CBR in the 1980s.

This has also been told in Chris Thomas' writings.
The thing is that people can easily read & get the ideas from elsewhere. Whether they are speaking their own truth is another matter altogether. Or, are they just rambling the philosophy that they have absorbed from others... And, that is all what Scientology appears to me. Its certainly not a religion. The truth rings a chord when it is carried on the words that are spoken or written (in this case). I feel no resonance.... I sense a philosophy that has been absorbed and being regurgitated as easily as any other borrowed information. That is in my opinion. Just to put my 2 cents worth in on this.

Best regards - turiya

This "more than one identity as a human", couldn't it also be multiple personalities (Dissociative disorder) cases on one hand, each one having its own talents and making its own actions. Couldn't it be what MkUltra were trying to create, having access to multiple personnalities, either within one body or with different bodies, so that they would create the perfect human for certain tasks? And the same with ETs cloning of human beings, multiple containers able to receive the soul components.

On the other hand, in view of the unimaginable power our souls have, it is feasible that it could create and infuse many individuals at once. Since time does not exist in the greater scheme of things, all past lifes and future lifes, and this present one, are in fact simultaneous, therefore, yes, we are many beings at once.

My problem is with the MkUltra or hidden governing bodies usage of the abilities we have, making sure that we are not conscious about it, creating multiples, abusing the talents, etc.

My other problem is how to have all those life communicate consciously, through the soul probably. How to have all those beings soul infused at the same time and conscious of their - its - intent. In an easy enough manner.

Not sure of how/whether the MK-Ultra thing fits into this. But no doubt it has to do with the sub-human thinking that has gone into retaining positions of control & using the psychic abilities of some individuals for spying & other such covert nonsensical purposes (i.e. the right hand fighting with the left hand).

Chris Thomas writes:

"When we began our knowledge gathering process [i.e. karma], 7,000 years ago, we realized that there was potentially not enough time to gather all the necessary knowledge together [in order to complete The Human Plan under the contract with the planet Earth].

To 'drive' the body through a human lifetime we actually only need about ten percent (10%) of the total soul (consciousness). This means that the remainder of the consciousness, the 'higher self', could divide itself into human sized pieces and live one or more concurrent lifetimes. We generally live a human life with about twenty-five percent (25%) of the total soul within the body, the remaining seventy-five percent (75%) making up the higher self. This still leaves the potential for two concurrent lifetimes to be lived by the total soul.

As we divided ourselves up into two or more 'pieces', each piece of the total soul has explored various variations on a particular theme. Each aspect following a series of lifetimes where the chosen theme was explored fully.

As we undergo the process of drawing the whole soul into the physical, we have to accommodate all of the memories contained within our 'multidimensional' journeyings. Each aspect of the soul must be drawn together into the higher self and the accumulated memories brought into the physical structures, into the physical body of the one who is to be the 'vessel' for the total soul.

As we clear our old memories, we begin to take in the memories of the other aspects of our total selves in our cleansed DNA. As we take on these memories, our DNA begins to grow as these memories are stored away. If the flow of these memories is interrupted, the memory can be brought to the consious mind and a certain degree of confusion can arise. Many recent cases of a so-called schizophrenia are an example of this integration process being disrutpted.

As we take on board more and more of these memories, our DNA grows and new spirals are added. Many children who have been born in the last decade have up to five DNA spirals already intact making the medical community believe that humanity is mutating into something unknown. We are not mutating, we are re-integrating."
Planet Earth - The Universe's Experiment (pages 169-1700)

In effect, although we may have a few physical bodies living simultaneously lives, as we get closer to re-integration of the entire soul, only one physical body will be selected to be the vehicle to experience that change.

turiya

[jiminii]

Posted by CdnSirian (here)
I appreciate that Jiminii has slowed down a little and answered some questions and addressed some points made.

The point that is being ignored is that there is a claim by Jacques Vallee that the CIA initiated and partook in the forming of new religions including scientology, which is pretty startling. No one can prove anything that anyone claimed or wrote. Our personal experiences are all we really know.

All claims are only claims. As is everything else in this thread and its various topics. I know weather can be done, and I have done weather. Etc., etc. But so what?

Nothing Jiminii has said is wrong. Yet he filters and discusses what he wants like the rest of us. SNR is horrid - yet obviously all who read and respond are tolerating it.

I am not comfortable with this thread. I am happy to see Bill offering his viewpoint and explanations on his thread. Regarding your delivery, Jiminii (I apologise! I am talking about you like you're not in "the room" and that's rude)! I know a couple of people just like you in that respect and they are quite brilliant.

Indigo, crystal, Asperger's (Wade Frazier admits, so you are in great company if so), do communicate differently and are great system busters. Not the only ones mind you.

Earth has been described as a prison planet by different people. So why don't we all just jump time lines and skip all this? Inelia provides a meditation for that. It's a personal preference. Can we just open ourselves to allow in enough spirit/theta/God so the prison wardens disappear for us?

Jiminii, you are right that we are walking the razor's edge. And so are other people in the system who show up in the channelling section. But which razor and which edge? Do we each have our own?

You found Avalon - so you know you're not alone. Maybe that's the most important thing.

Regards all, I hope I can check back in here soon.

it is not like we are in that much trouble ... but the cabal sure likes to let us think we are .... we have other timelines .. yes ,,, so it is not like we are as trapped as everyone thinks we are ... we are running this timeline basically because of what we are .... and that is healing this part of time ... ... so we are playing out this drama ... but we don't have to get so serious about it ... we know what we are doing and will come out the other side in much better shape

keep it a game .... and it is easier to play

you know people really don't understand this part of games ... but imagine how powerful you are ... and you like to play games ... so some games are more fun ... but this drama here is just another game .... it is a play we all set up to experience this kind of drama and we are playing it .... just like you play all these game machines like a star wars game ... but the game machine has you exterior to the game ... but the game we are playing is right in the game .... much more dramatic ... but we are as powerful as we basically are ,.. and this game just happens to be more than a trillion year old game .. gets more and more dramatic
the thing is ... it would also be much easier if we can operate out of our bodies at will ... that is where auditing is suppose to take you ... others do it their way ... getting out of the body makes you exterior to the game and makes it easier to play it too

LRH said he wasn't really able to get into the real workings of the mind until he addressed games .... well hope this explains it

jim

[jiminii]

do you know what it is like to find out you have powers? i go in to this completely alien group called Scientology on a mission I am not totally aware of ,, and can literally drive any statistic I choose to go straight up.
then when my org won the birthday game of all orgs on the planet I still wasn't sure if I did it ... so I tested like i said doing every other day and etc ... stats double on the days I do it ... then I see how much trouble I am in ,.. no one is going to believe it if I tell them what I did .... and if they get the slightest idea that I am doing it they might think me a nut too .,. but then you prove it to them they go nuts .. because they can not HAVE another person by his own thoughts controlling all the income coming into the org.

then later you find out you are metteyya ... the only thing that lets me myself validate it is finding inelia .... then I am in a completely different ballgame ... of course maybe free zone will probably want me to join them but the same thing will happen ... I will be pushing all their buttons ... and getting the same reaction I am getting on this website and the 4 scientology orgs I tried to prove this in .... I would rather be another new guru than be someone like metteyya with a controversial other timeline like LRH ... I wouldn't have ever done it like he did ,,, too much ethics .. too much everything ... and too much to learn too fast with a body that can only live 70 years ...
but that was what was ..... and we have a lot of data to process ... so I am trying to take a more simpler way ... get some of the star childs aware of their other bodies ... actually we have to find them too ... and get them to know their other timelines so there is another communication line to them that can be used ... even I need that .. I somehow have to bypass the fact this body can't see or hear .. but can get perceptions that some how work ... it is not easy being me that is all I can say

jim

[turiya]

Posted by turiya (here)
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Just can't help but to post the following in a kind of response...

Amzer Zo wrote:

Why not post this in Bill's Q&A thread?

I posted this yesterday... only noticed this morning that Bill had started up a Q & A thread pertaining to this. So, apologies if it seems inappropriate for this thread.

One thing that is prevalent about any 'new' ideology/philosophy that is created & that is that 'new' terms & definitions are created. Even if familiar terms are used, new definitions are there to be learned in order to absorb the material. Its like learning another language.

In this way, one seemingly has to pass through a reorientation, a relearning of terms & definitions. It is a reconditioning process - before one is able to move further into understanding pronouncements & premises that are made. It is in this light that it appears, to me, that Scientology, instead of pulling one out of one's social conditioning, it is, in other words, re-conditioning one to accept new terms, new concepts. In this regard, instead of helping one to come out of their deep hypnosis, it re-programs the individual to accept the seemingly new ideology. Instead of going beyond mind, beyond concepts - one is moving more into the mind, into one's intellect. This, in my book, is not putting the mind aside, i.e. meditation.

Osho understood that the modern day individual is too filled-up with unnecessary suppressed/repressed mental & emotional garbage. Most individuals that attempt to simply sit down & meditate will come away with a very frustrating experience. They will instaneously see that the house (the head) is filled with maddening unpleasantries. And the body is unable to sit still because of this. Most will not want to look at how much insanity exists within themselves.

I do agree with some of the methods that are used in Scientology are quite similar to the cathartic therapies that Osho has used to clear the body-mind mechanism of its collected crap. These therapies are used in conjunction with periods of silent meditation. I don't know of any other mystic or mediation 'guru' that has combined these two things together.

The important thing to point out is that Osho's emphasis is on meditation - relaxing into one's own being. As one goes deeper into meditation, one will find that innate "gifts" - greater intuition, psychic abilities, opening of the third eye etc. - one will find arising out of this. One can certainly become distracted with these so-called gifts, but it is not to be considered an endpoint that meditation leads to. As long as their is a small drop of the ego that remains, such 'gifts' can be used for ego gratification & darker purposes. Absolute death of the ego is the ultimate endpoint, only then - when the 'I' of the ego is not, when 'you' are not, will the 'music' of Existence be able to be expressed through the body-mind mechanism.

Jiminii wrote:

do you know what it is like to find out you have powers?

From what I have so far researced on Scientology, I have not seen much of an emphasis on meditation. Instead, it appears that retaining one's innate psychic gifts are at the forefront. This makes it obvious that there is a goal to be achieved, whether it is to save the Earth, humanity, or whatever, this is but fulfillment of the ego - the ego is still there to claim it has been successful.

In this regard, this seems, to me, to be what Osho is commenting about.
I also posted it to see if someone would respond to what he had said in his response to the question when it was asked of him "What is your opinion of Scientology?"

Thanks for you response.
Cheers - turiya

[Hervé]

Posted by turiya (here)
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One thing that is prevalent about any 'new' ideology/philosophy that is created & that is that 'new' terms & definitions are created. Even if familiar terms are used, new definitions are there to be learned in order to absorb the material. Its like learning another language.

In this way, one seemingly has to pass through a reorientation, a relearning of terms & definitions. It is a reconditioning process - before one is able to move further into understanding pronouncements & premises that are made. It is in this light that it appears, to me, that Scientology, instead of pulling one out of one's social conditioning, it is, in other words, re-conditioning one to accept new terms, new concepts. In this regard, instead of helping one to come out of their deep hypnosis, it re-programs the individual to accept the seemingly new ideology. Instead of going beyond mind, beyond concepts - one is moving more into the mind, into one's intellect. This, in my book, is not putting the mind aside, i.e. meditation.

turiya

That's one way to look at it.

Another way, the way LRH designed it after understanding what the mind does and how it operates, is to have to invent new terminology so that the mind doesn't confuse it with previous practices that have led to nowhere. That is mostly the terminology of the many religions, which are control-operations, as well as the terminology from the many fields of psychology.

Also, from his research on the mind, LRH found out that many meditation practices were booby trapped to lead the practitioners into implant engrams... not too good for one's mental health since these are very similar to many abductees' accounts of "love and light" overlays/screen memories meant to hide the actual nasty implant.

That's the technical part of it, unfortunately there was the organization that came along with it, the "church," which is the part that screwed up everything. No qualms with that.

[turiya]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by turiya (here)
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One thing that is prevalent about any 'new' ideology/philosophy that is created & that is that 'new' terms & definitions are created. Even if familiar terms are used, new definitions are there to be learned in order to absorb the material. Its like learning another language.

In this way, one seemingly has to pass through a reorientation, a relearning of terms & definitions. It is a reconditioning process - before one is able to move further into understanding pronouncements & premises that are made. It is in this light that it appears, to me, that Scientology, instead of pulling one out of one's social conditioning, it is, in other words, re-conditioning one to accept new terms, new concepts. In this regard, instead of helping one to come out of their deep hypnosis, it re-programs the individual to accept the seemingly new ideology. Instead of going beyond mind, beyond concepts - one is moving more into the mind, into one's intellect. This, in my book, is not putting the mind aside, i.e. meditation.

turiya

That's one way to look at it.

Another way, the way LRH designed it after understanding what the mind does and how it operates, is to have to invent new terminology so that the mind doesn't confuse it with previous practices that have led to nowhere. That is mostly the terminology of the many religions, which are control-operations, as well as the terminology from the many fields of psychology.

Also, from his research on the mind, LRH found out that many meditation practices were booby trapped to lead the practitioners into implant engrams... not too good for one's mental health since these are very similar to many abductees' accounts of "love and light" overlays/screen memories meant to hide the actual nasty implant.

That's the technical part of it, unfortunately there was the organization that came along with it, the "church," which is the part that screwed up everything. No qualms with that.

That's the technical part of it, unfortunately there was the organization that came along with it, the "church," which is the part that screwed up everything. No qualms with that.

Yes, but that seems to run counterproductive... to associate it, and to call it "The Church of Scientology". He seemed to be intent on establishing Scientology as an 'established religion'. At least he should have been aware of the conflict that would arise with this. Perhaps he would have been better off calling it "The Yoga of Scientology".

I do understand LRH's purposes for calling it a "Church", since the AMA & the Psychology/Psychiatrist Organizations & possibly the FDA were in 'hot' pursuit of closing his instiution down. But these same agencies have never bothered with going after 'Yoga' Organization & Institutes. Seems he should have had some insight or foresight as to where this would end up going.

turiya

[jiminii]

Posted by turiya (here)

Posted by turiya (here)
[...]
Just can't help but to post the following in a kind of response...

Amzer Zo wrote:

Why not post this in Bill's Q&A thread?

I posted this yesterday... only noticed this morning that Bill had started up a Q & A thread pertaining to this. So, apologies if it seems inappropriate for this thread.

One thing that is prevalent about any 'new' ideology/philosophy that is created & that is that 'new' terms & definitions are created. Even if familiar terms are used, new definitions are there to be learned in order to absorb the material. Its like learning another language.

In this way, one seemingly has to pass through a reorientation, a relearning of terms & definitions. It is a reconditioning process - before one is able to move further into understanding pronouncements & premises that are made. It is in this light that it appears, to me, that Scientology, instead of pulling one out of one's social conditioning, it is, in other words, re-conditioning one to accept new terms, new concepts. In this regard, instead of helping one to come out of their deep hypnosis, it re-programs the individual to accept the seemingly new ideology. Instead of going beyond mind, beyond concepts - one is moving more into the mind, into one's intellect. This, in my book, is not putting the mind aside, i.e. meditation.

Osho understood that the modern day individual is too filled-up with unnecessary suppressed/repressed mental & emotional garbage. Most individuals that attempt to simply sit down & meditate will come away with a very frustrating experience. They will instaneously see that the house (the head) is filled with maddening unpleasantries. And the body is unable to sit still because of this. Most will not want to look at how much insanity exists within themselves.

I do agree with some of the methods that are used in Scientology are quite similar to the cathartic therapies that Osho has used to clear the body-mind mechanism of its collected crap. These therapies are used in conjunction with periods of silent meditation. I don't know of any other mystic or mediation 'guru' that has combined these two things together.

The important thing to point out is that Osho's emphasis is on meditation - relaxing into one's own being. As one goes deeper into meditation, one will find that innate "gifts" - greater intuition, psychic abilities, opening of the third eye etc. - one will find arising out of this. One can certainly become distracted with these so-called gifts, but it is not to be considered an endpoint that meditation leads to. As long as their is a small drop of the ego that remains, such 'gifts' can be used for ego gratification & darker purposes. Absolute death of the ego is the ultimate endpoint, only then - when the 'I' of the ego is not, when 'you' are not, will the 'music' of Existence be able to be expressed through the body-mind mechanism.

Jiminii wrote:

do you know what it is like to find out you have powers?

From what I have so far researced on Scientology, I have not seen much of an emphasis on meditation. Instead, it appears that retaining one's innate psychic gifts are at the forefront. This makes it obvious that there is a goal to be achieved, whether it is to save the Earth, humanity, or whatever, this is but fulfillment of the ego - the ego is still there to claim it has been successful.

In this regard, this seems, to me, to be what Osho is commenting about.
I also posted it to see if someone would respond to what he had said in his response to the question when it was asked of him "What is your opinion of Scientology?"

Thanks for you response.
Cheers - turiya

in my opinion it would be more easy if we were on a ship even if it was a space ship outside all crap of the governments constant attacks and other peoples reality attacks and then get through all the lower simple stuff that is just communicating directly with the physical universe ... so you are sitting in this immediate time we call PT or present time .... and not siting all over in restimulated past memories then do the dianetics for those who have a reactive mind, (natural clears don't need dianetics which would be the star child with no karma) ... then we need a re-evaluation of this stuff ... because star children with no Karma do not need to run OT III incident ... so I don't know what they need to run ... don't know how high a level they already are ... because I got the abilities by accident ... stopping rain between 2 lights that reminded me of when I was up there in the stars .... but then that is what the scientologist view is ... I have a viewpoint that I have no Karma too and I am a new spirit too ... but because I am connected to Metteyya ... something must have happened that turned on all the powers .... so I think we have to somehow open up our connections to our other time lines and see if there is any tech there. I can't rerun any of the previous levels I have already run from the other LRH body ... I don't know how this can be handled ... maybe free zone would know ... cathy told me she is in direct contact with her other body who is auditing her from base 2 ... apparently I am being audited too from base 2 with all these yawns at night ... maybe you can just KNOW where base 2 is and make a connection ... so this thing is not finished .. and maybe an auditor would know how to audit out your other timelines ... i have never been trained ... and maybe we should just sort out who is who ,.. find out who is natural clear and who is not .... and then do what cathy did after she had a sec check and found her other body on the other planet ... she started attesting to the upper levels .... then they stopped it and that was a huge invalidation to her ...maybe all we need is to get our upper levels attested too, but if others stop the action ... then we still remain stuck ..

so maybe bill has an answer to this or can find out ..

jim

ps ... I also have the viewpoint that they will be arriving here on the planet with the new technology ...

[jiminii]

I take the viewpoint that we are the rebels ... same like in star wars ..
and we are here trying to salvage our friends and get the tech we need to go back up in the stars and confront the empire

may the force be with you

jim

[turiya]

jiminii wrote:

...because I am connected to Metteyya ... something must have happened that turned on all the powers .... so I think we have to somehow open up our connections to our other time lines

Knowing the Truth

"As we progress through these changes, there is a growing realisation that we are more than we thought we were. As the higher self becomes more & more easily accessible, the speed at which answers arrive increases. The more we question, the more we seem to receive answers. In the past we have relied on Gurus, Avatars, priests, etc., to lead us to some answers. the more we realize that a guru is not necessary.

Our search for answers, in the past, has quite often led us into the clutches of unscrupulous so-called teachers and many problems have arisen. There is a new 'Meritrea', 'he' is contained within each and every one of us, the soul. We no longer need to look outside of ourselves to find the answers we need for our lives. They are already available, we just have to ask."

jiminii wrote:

I take the viewpoint that we are the rebels ... same like in star wars ..
and we are here trying to salvage our friends and get the tech we need to go back up in the stars and confront the empire
may the force be with you
jim

"There is a growing body of people who reject authority. Politicians, doctors, scientists, priests, industrialists, bankers, governments, etc., no longer hold any answers and the falseness of their activities no longer fool us into believing that they have any answers. Along with change come the truth and an unwillingness to accept anything other than the truth. Where falsehood exists, it is spotted immediately as only the truth resonates within the body.

The same is true for our day to day dealings with friends, family and colleagues. We begin to find that we can only respond to situations with total honesty and can only accept total honesting return. anything else does not fit."
The Planet Earth: The Universe's Experiment by Chris Thomas (pages 178-179)

turiya

[Azt]

I don`t know, jiminii. My take is like the uncle ben of the Spider-Man, "With great power, comes great responsibility".
My question to you is, you have all these great gifts and power within you, so instead to want to prove to everyone (by initiating storms or rain like you said before)
why you just use it in pro of our humanity. To set all of us free for example, do not worry about taking credit for that, somehow you will be compensated later in other dimensions....

[lookbeyond]

I think the younger generation epitomize the "rejection of authority" today, i see it in their attitudes and behaviours towards parents and teachers, i look forward with interest the generation after this ones "footprint"-lb

[jiminii]

Posted by Azt (here)
I don`t know, jiminii. My take is like the uncle ben of the Spider-Man, "With great power, comes great responsibility".
My question to you is, you have all these great gifts and power within you, so instead to want to prove to everyone (by initiating storms or rain like you said before)
why you just use it in pro of our humanity. To set all of us free for example, do not worry about taking credit for that, somehow you will be compensated later in other dimensions....

I am just one person ... of course now I am hearing there is weather problems and water coming up ... and I would like to know where .. and if it is some kind of pole shift .. or why it is being caused .. I am holding asia ..I am keeping it stable ... I heard indonesia is sinking ... but now I think I got it stable .. but I don't know where I can get that kind of information ...it is suppressed in the newspapers ... but if I knew what and where I can take a look and expand my space and see if I can fix it ... that is not a guarantee ... if people challenge me .. it is much harder to do . puts me in an effort band ... but if they will let me know where and what things are happening I will try to help

oK .???
Jim

[Hervé]

Posted by jiminii (here)
[...]

I am just one person ...

... but if I knew what and where I can take a look and expand my space and see if I can fix it ... that is not a guarantee ... if people challenge me .. it is much harder to do . puts me in an effort band ... but if they will let me know where and what things are happening I will try to help

oK .???
Jim

Heard you...

For potential earthquakes and possible accompanying tsunami, this is the best predictive data analysis I ever encountered:

http://standeyo.com/NEWS/13_Quake_4c...ke_4casts.html

It is based on abnormal temperature gradients recorded by NOAA's buoys. These abnormal gradients occur 1 to 10 days prior to an earthquake when they occurred.

Not all anomalies end up in an earthquake but many do.

Read the page, scroll down to the bottom to get the explanations and legend for the maps then click on a date (e.g. May 20) to go to the actual map.

If you pick up something in an area, from a geological point of view, it is better to release the accumulated stress with multiple small earthquakes rather than block the release and end up with a big nasty one.

For example, the Mag. 6.5 off Chile's coast was spotted/circled on May 12:

[jiminii]

I got a familiar sudden very theta something don't know what it is after I left my last post
but this stuff you are telling me is totally strange to me ... you know more about it than me so I think you know how to handle it
so I will pull all the counter intention you might have that might be stopping it ... and let you fly with it..

how is that??

jim

[jiminii]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by jiminii (here)
[...]

I am just one person ...

... but if I knew what and where I can take a look and expand my space and see if I can fix it ... that is not a guarantee ... if people challenge me .. it is much harder to do . puts me in an effort band ... but if they will let me know where and what things are happening I will try to help

oK .???
Jim

Heard you...

For potential earthquakes and possible accompanying tsunami, this is the best predictive data analysis I ever encountered:

http://standeyo.com/NEWS/13_Quake_4c...ke_4casts.html

It is based on abnormal temperature gradients recorded by NOAA's buoys. These abnormal gradients occur 1 to 10 days prior to an earthquake when they occurred.

Not all anomalies end up in an earthquake but many do.

Read the page, scroll down to the bottom to get the explanations and legend for the maps then click on a date (e.g. May 20) to go to the actual map.

If you pick up something in an area, from a geological point of view, it is better to release the accumulated stress with multiple small earthquakes rather than block the release and end up with a big nasty one.

For example, the Mag. 6.5 off Chile's coast was spotted/circled on May 12:

this is a via ... I tried that with weather to clear the sky and took half a day to run a blue on one side all gray on the other side line across the sky ... then I decided don't need to use winds to clear the sky
winds would be a VIA .. by some other way

just go direct ... look where the problems are and decide the pressure is released don't need to make a lot of little earthquakes ... part of learning how to do postulates is shortening the communication lag which is the time you put the postulate in to when it happens ... and getting rid of the VIA's

I will do that.

jim

...

I will also cool the temperatures there ... just decide it's cool and stable ... no VIA's

this is good ... we got us a game going here ...

jim

...

this will work because some of the star children on this site will look too and it will happen without them thinking it

I love it

jim

[jiminii]

I think I'll stay on this site ... keep the data aligned ... going back and forth on the murder and miracles of LRH makes people miss stuff

jim

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this is really great ... I can really feel some stuff a lot of theta going on out there ,.... this will work ....

maybe we don't need auditing until the gang up there arrives here ... hahaha

let's see what we can do until they arrive

jim

[Azt]

Hi jiminii

Here is a good channel for weather, solar and earthquakes daily news (most not covered by traditional media) https://youtube.com/user/Suspicio...?feature=watch

Peace.