LRH (L. Ron Hubbard)

[Padmé]

Why has my actual post, my response to Jiminii and his subsequent post been removed?????????? It doesnt even show up on the list when you go via my profile...

[Sierra]

Posted by Padmé (here)
So how do I speak to Bill?

Your post completely ignores what I spoke to as the issue, and I am not going to address it again. Bill told you two pages ago, to address negative questions to him. I assume you are on the Q & A thread yes? That is how you speak to Bill, yes? I haven't been over there yet, but I cannot imagine he has not specifically answered your posts, yes? Already, yes? And if he hasn't, ask as often as you asked here (only less rudely please), and I am SURE he will respond to you.

I don't question Jimini's intent. He is sticking to the subject matter at hand despite dogs biting his flanks on both sides. He has never lost his temper, he has merely (when explicitly told by Bill that he has permission not to), stated he will no longer answer negative questions.

Not too many people are capable of ignoring bitten flanks here on Avalon for 20 some pages.

I find that impressive.

Sierra

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Padmé (here)
Why has my actual post, my response to Jiminii and his subsequent post been removed?????????? It doesnt even show up on the list when you go via my profile...

It no longer shows up because you are now searching forums. Before that it showed that you were PMing. It shows the most current activity. Right now you are back to searching forums.

[Flash]

Posted by araucaria (here)
Let me playfully suggest a slightly different angle on this weather control business. It is a topical subject since people like Clif High and the remote viewers have been telling us much of the planet will be under water in ten days time – certainly it has been extremely wet recently here in Europe, but nothing we cannot handle .

It may be less to do with either black ops or Jim’ll fix it types flexing their psychic muscles as with the background counterproductive complaining about the weather from millions of people doing it without even realizing that they have an effect on such things. Chaotic weather patterns would be expected from a large disparate population with no focused intent. This is one area where a slight and utterly feasible improvement in so many master complainers towards a little more cheerful optimism could make a huge difference. That’s one tiny tweak for a man, one giant leap for a hundred monkeys. And we all get involved instead of looking on incredulously.

I for one have no desire to have a godlike effect on this planet (maybe some day to practice on an unpopulated one ). This seems to have been a problem so far, rather than a solution. That kid who makes sure it doesn’t rain during your wedding is probably doing about as much as we want, when you factor in all the weddings going on. Even butterflies need to flap their wings ever so gently.

Another thing: I wouldn’t want to play a world-beating game of pool without knowing what I’m doing - what's the fun in that? A game is not about winning, but getting the best out of one’s abilities, which includes overcoming any deficiencies. We may be gods on some quasi transcendent level in some not here/not now, but meanwhile, we need to focus on being better humans today than yesterday.

The problem may be that WE HAVE a GODLIKE effect on the planet and that WE ARE NOT AWARE of it. Have you ever seen a young child playing with water color. He does not know he is making a mess, he does not know how to mix colors, so it ends up into a sluggish brown, yet he thinks he is very good. As he grows up and learn, he becomes truly good, when awareness of the what and how arise.

[greybeard]

Posted by Flash (here)

Posted by araucaria (here)
Let me playfully suggest a slightly different angle on this weather control business. It is a topical subject since people like Clif High and the remote viewers have been telling us much of the planet will be under water in ten days time – certainly it has been extremely wet recently here in Europe, but nothing we cannot handle .

It may be less to do with either black ops or Jim’ll fix it types flexing their psychic muscles as with the background counterproductive complaining about the weather from millions of people doing it without even realizing that they have an effect on such things. Chaotic weather patterns would be expected from a large disparate population with no focused intent. This is one area where a slight and utterly feasible improvement in so many master complainers towards a little more cheerful optimism could make a huge difference. That’s one tiny tweak for a man, one giant leap for a hundred monkeys. And we all get involved instead of looking on incredulously.

I for one have no desire to have a godlike effect on this planet (maybe some day to practice on an unpopulated one ). This seems to have been a problem so far, rather than a solution. That kid who makes sure it doesn’t rain during your wedding is probably doing about as much as we want, when you factor in all the weddings going on. Even butterflies need to flap their wings ever so gently.

Another thing: I wouldn’t want to play a world-beating game of pool without knowing what I’m doing - what's the fun in that? A game is not about winning, but getting the best out of one’s abilities, which includes overcoming any deficiencies. We may be gods on some quasi transcendent level in some not here/not now, but meanwhile, we need to focus on being better humans today than yesterday.

The problem may be that WE HAVE a GODLIKE effect on the planet and that WE ARE NOT AWARE of it. Have you ever seen a young child playing with water color. He does not know he is making a mess, he does not know how to mix colors, so it ends up into a sluggish brown, yet he thinks he is very good. As he grows up and learn, he becomes truly good, when awareness of the what and how arise.

Power vs Force the book by the later Dr David Hawkins was an eye opener for me.
Every thought word or deed either raises or lowers the collective consciousness which is also affecting the world and everything else.
You make a difference.
Chris

[Sidney]

I don't mean to drift off topic, but I thought this might be a good spot to post this.

Attachment 21476

[CdnSirian]

You answered this, thanks.

[Christine]

Dear Readers,

I will try my best to offer my own understanding of what is happening here, you may agree or not, I would only ask that you consider.

First, the whole subject of Scientology, LRH and anything, for that matter, that has to do with opening (returning to) our abilities is quite naturally going to be targeted and is going to trigger heavy emotional responses from us. This subject taps into some of our deepest recessed memories. There is no argument that the church of scientology has fallen into some of the most nefarious practices on the planet.

Then along comes jiminii to Avalon. We can allow for his presence because he has been granted a voice here. He hasn’t attacked anyone, his only intent appears to be trying to get a message across.

This is what I hear in that voice. I hear a great deal of confusion, ideas, timelines and memories all jumbled together and trying to get his story out. It is like he has been all over the place in different universes, different timelines and different realities. He doesn’t appear to have the earth training necessary to be totally coherent to our sensibilities. This is why I believe he relates so much to Inelia’s message. Almost like something in him said “Here, go there, they will understand.”

In my best estimation he is genuine, there are no pretenses here. Who else would say in such an honestly open way that they can make hurricanes, change weather patterns and then candidly add that they made a mess of things. If one shifts their perception just slightly a child appears in the mix.

Most of us, and I include myself, have been trained into obedience to hide our mistakes, afraid we would be condemned for them. If my past life memories are at all reliable the amount of torture and force that was imposed on our bodies to “rid” us of our “devilish powers” is it any wonder we are confused. Our bodies are indeed conditioned away from what was once natural, harmonic and in flow.

What I hear through the jumble is two important messages for myself. One, is that we are powerful beyond our wildest imagination and we need the courage, ethics and help to reclaim this power.

And what caught my attention and why I personally do not want to shuffle him off to the channeled material area, or clamp down on his flow of consciousness style of writing is because I hear something beyond the noise of the words on the page. It has to do with our future self.

It is a theme that has been appearing and reappearing in my own rememberings. I have looked into the past or the past has caught up with me to a rather large degree, gaps remain but enough is there for me to have a fuller picture of who I am and what I have done. So now the future self is asking for my attention. It is another way to remember, another aspect of self. So when Jim says the future has already been won I believe him, this concurs with the same messages I have been receiving. Now my understanding is that while we can see we have won, my perception is that even the dark side knows this, we still have to play it out until the end. Complacency is an enemy as much as anything else.

To answer others questions here as I go along. Gripreaper asks correctly why don’t these beings, these OTs, of incredible ability simply start performing miracles. All I can say here is that they are, some are people I know, and everyone who is of growing awareness is doing this right now.

If we use the terminology of Scientology we would say that an enormous amount of MEST (matter, energy, space and time) has built up over the eons of time. Another way to say it is that all of our thoughts, words, and actions, remembered and (the majority) forgotten, have formed our reality. Imagine the enormity of that universe, actually impossible for the human mind to comprehend.

Whatever processes we are using, whether mediation, gestalt, prayer or auditing. Yogi, Buddhist, Christian, Baha’i, or Muslim… all with True intent are cleaning or clearing for ourselves and others a way to return to our inherent divinity or True Self. The more of us that come together the more effective we are.

So what is happening while not apparent yet in real time world events is that the future is being determined. One pebble dropped into the ocean at a time.

For myself I have been guided, helped, shown, and found that I do have the ability to penetrate into the level of reality where the game is really being played. I can’t maintain my presence there for very long and on occasions my body has suffered some pretty heavy consequences. For myself anyway this as real as it gets and the purpose of my mission on planet earth.

When we are on the 3D earth side of things we are caught in the reflection or fantasy world matrix, so the battles fought on this level of the game are somewhat like punching holes in shadows.

If a being penetrates the projection side of things their intent becomes amplified and produces astounding changes. Some are naturally capable, others have to work on it for lifetimes. Quite obviously there are the nefarious whose intent is to manipulate from that level. TPTB are doing everything to keep us out of that dimension.

If the processes downloaded through LRH are capable of releasing us from a prison that we ourselves have fallen (been tricked) into making. Is there anything more diabolical than that? And would not the keepers of this MISUSE of KNOWLEDGE do everything in their power to keep us from ever finding the key.

My point of view, nothing more or less and subject to change.

Christine

[CdnSirian]

I appreciate that Jiminii has slowed down a little and answered some questions and addressed some points made.

The point that is being ignored is that there is a claim by Jacques Vallee that the CIA initiated and partook in the forming of new religions including scientology, which is pretty startling. No one can prove anything that anyone claimed or wrote. Our personal experiences are all we really know.

All claims are only claims. As is everything else in this thread and its various topics. I know weather can be done, and I have done weather. Etc., etc. But so what?

Nothing Jiminii has said is wrong. Yet he filters and discusses what he wants like the rest of us. SNR is horrid - yet obviously all who read and respond are tolerating it.

I am not comfortable with this thread. I am happy to see Bill offering his viewpoint and explanations on his thread. Regarding your delivery, Jiminii (I apologise! I am talking about you like you're not in "the room" and that's rude)! I know a couple of people just like you in that respect and they are quite brilliant.

Indigo, crystal, Asperger's (Wade Frazier admits, so you are in great company if so), do communicate differently and are great system busters. Not the only ones mind you.

Earth has been described as a prison planet by different people. So why don't we all just jump time lines and skip all this? Inelia provides a meditation for that. It's a personal preference. Can we just open ourselves to allow in enough spirit/theta/God so the prison wardens disappear for us?

Jiminii, you are right that we are walking the razor's edge. And so are other people in the system who show up in the channelling section. But which razor and which edge? Do we each have our own?

You found Avalon - so you know you're not alone. Maybe that's the most important thing.

Regards all, I hope I can check back in here soon.

[turiya]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by jiminii (here)
I have 4 bodies on this planet ...

[snip]

No time just now to elaborate, but I want to confirm that this kind of apparently off-the-wall information is real. Our higher selves can operate more than one identity as a human. This is addressed and processed at the very highest levels of the Ron's Org ''bridge', and was researched by CBR in the 1980s.

This has also been told in Chris Thomas' writings.
The thing is that people can easily read & get the ideas from elsewhere. Whether they are speaking their own truth is another matter altogether. Or, are they just rambling the philosophy that they have absorbed from others... And, that is all what Scientology appears to me. Its certainly not a religion. The truth rings a chord when it is carried on the words that are spoken or written (in this case). I feel no resonance.... I sense a philosophy that has been absorbed and being regurgitated as easily as any other borrowed information. That is in my opinion. Just to put my 2 cents worth in on this.

Best regards - turiya

[turiya]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by christian (here)
[...]

Posted by The Truth Is In There (here)
jiminii, i'm not saying what you talk about is bs but if you can do all these fancy things, why is the world such a sh*thole?

Because so many who have these abilities as well have not really woken up to them yet. One can only do so much, I think.
[...]

True.

Another thing to take into account are the various implants that make one "create" the world one wishes to live in on a reverse vector.
Hence if one consciously wishes a world of peace, one's implanted unconscious creates a world of conflicts and wars:

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
[...]

Although it’s a fairly simple implant but it was quite effective in lousing people up because it interrupted them from creating what they would have created and took away what mock-ups that he did have and it stop the cycle and it put something there that is unwanted and so when they tried to create, they created it [the “unwanted”]. They fixed his attention by “protest.”
[...]

Certainly, hoping for a peaceful world, is another way of admitting that one cannot see that there is already peace in the world. By hoping for peace, one is actually unconsciously giving one's energy to a world that doesn't have peace in it. Hence, Existence responds by giving you what you perceive. Reminds me of Gregg Braden's work.

turiya

[psydney]

Posted by Christine (here)
... quote from another thread here. On reading enfoldedblue's words I had my own personal realization that she is saying what jiminii is trying to say, different language, different experiences but the same message. Remember who you are. And I would add share who you are. My own attempt being here ... Born of this journey is Compassion, Humility and Knowledge. Remembering is love.
Christine

thank you christine for your heartfelt message and for pointing out enfoldedblue's thread - one i hadn't yet read (there is so much to read on this site, i've managed only about 1% so far). in my wanderings around the site, i've found and just read the ike-maxwell - brothers in arms transcript, which at moments also appears reminiscent of what's being discussed in this thread. i've started reading bill's new Q&A, among other threads, though am struggling (but happily reading) to keep up with the pace of the posts. avalon is one of the best sites i've come across ...

[jiminii]

Posted by Sierra (here)

Posted by northstar (here)

Discernment - AKA being able to separate the signal from the noise.

I read the the first post on this thread and I was left cold due to the rambling, disjointed delivery of the message. I went to other threads. After Bill's post about " Q and A about Ron Hubbard..." I realized that something was being stirred up on the PA forum and I went back and read the entire "LRH (L. Ron Hubbard)" thread.

Part of me said "just leave this alone" but part of me wants to contribute my 2 cents worth, so I will do that. Whenever I post anything here at PA I am cognizant that the message is not just for PA members, and not even just for nonmembers who visit and read. What we create and post here has the potential to literally change the world.

Kindly take a moment or two and quietly reflect on that.

I hope my words won't upset anyone but at the same time I will speak my truth plainly.

I think it is helpful to look at Jim's posts here by using the conceptual frame of signal and noise. While Jim makes some fascinating ideas and claims, the delivery of the message is so rambling and disjointed that people are not getting it. Basically, the signal (his message) is lost and ineffective due to too much static noise (garbled grammar, unncommected ideas etc.).

What I am going to say now will not be popular but I feel it needs to be said.

I have experienced a plethora of paranormal events in my life. I have no problem with many of the concepts and ideas that Jim has shared here. I do, however, have a problem with how they are being delivered.

I have also had first hand, personal experience with many people who suffer from severe mental illness and they often communicate in a manner exactly the way Jim does here. I do not say this to stigmatize Jim or any person who suffers from severe mental illness and I certainly do not say this to challenge his ideas. I am totally OK and open to unusual ideas.

However, if someone presents to me as a person who is in the throes of psychosis I must necessarily take that into consideration, And I say this as a person who has up close and personal experience with many individuals who live with bipolar, schizophrenia and other severe mental illnesses. And based on my experience when someone in psychosis is conveying a long, rambling and disjointed narrative of their grand delusions of (" fill in the blank ") I treat them with kindness and I wait until they are well managed with an appropriate medical intervention before I have a conversation with them.

And I think that is what we need to do here.

Shifting altered states, looks like psychosis to an outsider. I have no problem with nuts that are gentle, humble and attempt to answer questions honestly, while ignoring excessive hostility. Going around calling someone nuts, should start off in private first yes? To mods first yes?

And if you read the last two pages, you will see that questions *are* being answered, people *are* getting it, so your concern for Avalon's reputation while appreciated (and Bill Rryan whose house this is, knows who is in the living room), needs to be expressed in a way that does not blanket judge a fellow member as "insane".

Jimini is a brand new member, not familiar with Avalon ways, broaching a very hot subject from the experiental perspective, not a programmed_by_Scientology perspective, though he uses the language he knows ...

Thanks, Sierra who also along with one million others, might be a matteyya god nut ... (Avalon is the place for them lol!)

well I am glad we got that right lol

jim

[jiminii]

Posted by CdnSirian (here)
I appreciate that Jiminii has slowed down a little and answered some questions and addressed some points made.

The point that is being ignored is that there is a claim by Jacques Vallee that the CIA initiated and partook in the forming of new religions including scientology, which is pretty startling. No one can prove anything that anyone claimed or wrote. Our personal experiences are all we really know.

All claims are only claims. As is everything else in this thread and its various topics. I know weather can be done, and I have done weather. Etc., etc. But so what?

Nothing Jiminii has said is wrong. Yet he filters and discusses what he wants like the rest of us. SNR is horrid - yet obviously all who read and respond are tolerating it.

I am not comfortable with this thread. I am happy to see Bill offering his viewpoint and explanations on his thread. Regarding your delivery, Jiminii (I apologise! I am talking about you like you're not in "the room" and that's rude)! I know a couple of people just like you in that respect and they are quite brilliant.

Indigo, crystal, Asperger's (Wade Frazier admits, so you are in great company if so), do communicate differently and are great system busters. Not the only ones mind you.

Earth has been described as a prison planet by different people. So why don't we all just jump time lines and skip all this? Inelia provides a meditation for that. It's a personal preference. Can we just open ourselves to allow in enough spirit/theta/God so the prison wardens disappear for us?

Jiminii, you are right that we are walking the razor's edge. And so are other people in the system who show up in the channelling section. But which razor and which edge? Do we each have our own?

You found Avalon - so you know you're not alone. Maybe that's the most important thing.

Regards all, I hope I can check back in here soon.

I was on avalon long ago about spring 2011 when I came back to USA ... and I had just been dated when i came in this body ... that was an incredible wake up .... had trouble orienting my body in this physical universe ... Got home ... got hit with all that light .. when I said I am metteeya .. got up and found inelia in 5 minutes ... somehow by some weird thing I posted bill contacted me by email ... and he wanted my help .. he lost Inelia in south america .. so we had some communications ... and I think bill kind of turned off when he found out I was talking scientology ... and said he was in free zone ... I might have done some of my off the wall stuff and he disappeared ... no more email ...

so now .... I have to see what others are looking at .. and make it much more simple in language I am not familiar with ... I have problems finding words I need to explain it in plain human language because they are not in the dictionary ...

but I think I can figure this out

jim

[araucaria]

Posted by Flash (here)

Posted by araucaria (here)
Let me playfully suggest a slightly different angle on this weather control business. It is a topical subject since people like Clif High and the remote viewers have been telling us much of the planet will be under water in ten days time – certainly it has been extremely wet recently here in Europe, but nothing we cannot handle .

It may be less to do with either black ops or Jim’ll fix it types flexing their psychic muscles as with the background counterproductive complaining about the weather from millions of people doing it without even realizing that they have an effect on such things. Chaotic weather patterns would be expected from a large disparate population with no focused intent. This is one area where a slight and utterly feasible improvement in so many master complainers towards a little more cheerful optimism could make a huge difference. That’s one tiny tweak for a man, one giant leap for a hundred monkeys. And we all get involved instead of looking on incredulously.

I for one have no desire to have a godlike effect on this planet (maybe some day to practice on an unpopulated one ). This seems to have been a problem so far, rather than a solution. That kid who makes sure it doesn’t rain during your wedding is probably doing about as much as we want, when you factor in all the weddings going on. Even butterflies need to flap their wings ever so gently.

Another thing: I wouldn’t want to play a world-beating game of pool without knowing what I’m doing - what's the fun in that? A game is not about winning, but getting the best out of one’s abilities, which includes overcoming any deficiencies. We may be gods on some quasi transcendent level in some not here/not now, but meanwhile, we need to focus on being better humans today than yesterday.

The problem may be that WE HAVE a GODLIKE effect on the planet and that WE ARE NOT AWARE of it. Have you ever seen a young child playing with water color. He does not know he is making a mess, he does not know how to mix colors, so it ends up into a sluggish brown, yet he thinks he is very good. As he grows up and learn, he becomes truly good, when awareness of the what and how arise.

Yes, that is precisely what I am saying. This is happening in increasingly large numbers. A child's water painting typically ends up in a large wet hole and there is nothing much left. What I'm saying is that we need more control, not more power.

[jiminii]

Posted by greybeard (here)

Posted by Flash (here)

Posted by araucaria (here)
Let me playfully suggest a slightly different angle on this weather control business. It is a topical subject since people like Clif High and the remote viewers have been telling us much of the planet will be under water in ten days time – certainly it has been extremely wet recently here in Europe, but nothing we cannot handle .

It may be less to do with either black ops or Jim’ll fix it types flexing their psychic muscles as with the background counterproductive complaining about the weather from millions of people doing it without even realizing that they have an effect on such things. Chaotic weather patterns would be expected from a large disparate population with no focused intent. This is one area where a slight and utterly feasible improvement in so many master complainers towards a little more cheerful optimism could make a huge difference. That’s one tiny tweak for a man, one giant leap for a hundred monkeys. And we all get involved instead of looking on incredulously.

I for one have no desire to have a godlike effect on this planet (maybe some day to practice on an unpopulated one ). This seems to have been a problem so far, rather than a solution. That kid who makes sure it doesn’t rain during your wedding is probably doing about as much as we want, when you factor in all the weddings going on. Even butterflies need to flap their wings ever so gently.

Another thing: I wouldn’t want to play a world-beating game of pool without knowing what I’m doing - what's the fun in that? A game is not about winning, but getting the best out of one’s abilities, which includes overcoming any deficiencies. We may be gods on some quasi transcendent level in some not here/not now, but meanwhile, we need to focus on being better humans today than yesterday.

The problem may be that WE HAVE a GODLIKE effect on the planet and that WE ARE NOT AWARE of it. Have you ever seen a young child playing with water color. He does not know he is making a mess, he does not know how to mix colors, so it ends up into a sluggish brown, yet he thinks he is very good. As he grows up and learn, he becomes truly good, when awareness of the what and how arise.

Power vs Force the book by the later Dr David Hawkins was an eye opener for me.
Every thought word or deed either raises or lowers the collective consciousness which is also affecting the world and everything else.
You make a difference.
Chris

that is exactly right ... if you don't believe you are a god ... .>??? you should be at least pretending it .... especially if you are a star child ,.. you might see some of your pretending come to life

jim

[ulli]

What I like about Jiminii's sharing is his concern that he might be leaving a trail of destruction, while discovering that his thoughts have power. I truly believe him, but want to point out that there are many souls now going through the same discovery. Thanks for sharing, Jim.

So we also have the usual resident skeptics...
and sometimes I feel a bit sorry for them, as they are not yet aware of their own powers, and are stuck in a self image of being "skeptics". There is usually a reason..perhaps a fear of appearing gullible, and so they become rigid in their stance.
Or getting lured to visit someone's website...just to increase traffic. Remember the Edward Alexander episode?

Some go even further by being downright "badass". This, for them, is something to be proud of, and they seek opportunities to flex muscle and show their strong arm side, and usually at the expense of someone who has opened up and offered some genuine experience, sharing something which is baffling them, as it contradicts the majority's paradigm.

My own self image is that I hope to have an open mind; that Im neither too naive or gullible, nor too cynical and challenging to the point that I automatically invalidate other people's claims, even if those claims are a bit hair raising.

Some information needs to be shelved for a while, without judgement, and the messenger given the benefit of the doubt.

[jiminii]

Posted by Flash (here)

Posted by araucaria (here)
Let me playfully suggest a slightly different angle on this weather control business. It is a topical subject since people like Clif High and the remote viewers have been telling us much of the planet will be under water in ten days time – certainly it has been extremely wet recently here in Europe, but nothing we cannot handle .

It may be less to do with either black ops or Jim’ll fix it types flexing their psychic muscles as with the background counterproductive complaining about the weather from millions of people doing it without even realizing that they have an effect on such things. Chaotic weather patterns would be expected from a large disparate population with no focused intent. This is one area where a slight and utterly feasible improvement in so many master complainers towards a little more cheerful optimism could make a huge difference. That’s one tiny tweak for a man, one giant leap for a hundred monkeys. And we all get involved instead of looking on incredulously.

I for one have no desire to have a godlike effect on this planet (maybe some day to practice on an unpopulated one ). This seems to have been a problem so far, rather than a solution. That kid who makes sure it doesn’t rain during your wedding is probably doing about as much as we want, when you factor in all the weddings going on. Even butterflies need to flap their wings ever so gently.

Another thing: I wouldn’t want to play a world-beating game of pool without knowing what I’m doing - what's the fun in that? A game is not about winning, but getting the best out of one’s abilities, which includes overcoming any deficiencies. We may be gods on some quasi transcendent level in some not here/not now, but meanwhile, we need to focus on being better humans today than yesterday.

The problem may be that WE HAVE a GODLIKE effect on the planet and that WE ARE NOT AWARE of it. Have you ever seen a young child playing with water color. He does not know he is making a mess, he does not know how to mix colors, so it ends up into a sluggish brown, yet he thinks he is very good. As he grows up and learn, he becomes truly good, when awareness of the what and how arise.

that is exactly what we have been doing ... our vibration is so much higher than anyone can imagine ... this puts out enough positive to convert to the negative to positive...that was the whole idea of sending star children .. No one would even know ...but being here would change it without anyone knowing how it was done in other words .... put enough theta .. (life force energy her and it will go from negative to positve...

jim

[Flash]

Posted by turiya (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by jiminii (here)
I have 4 bodies on this planet ...

[snip]

No time just now to elaborate, but I want to confirm that this kind of apparently off-the-wall information is real. Our higher selves can operate more than one identity as a human. This is addressed and processed at the very highest levels of the Ron's Org ''bridge', and was researched by CBR in the 1980s.

This has also been told in Chris Thomas' writings.
The thing is that people can easily read & get the ideas from elsewhere. Whether they are speaking their own truth is another matter altogether. Or, are they just rambling the philosophy that they have absorbed from others... And, that is all what Scientology appears to me. Its certainly not a religion. The truth rings a chord when it is carried on the words that are spoken or written (in this case). I feel no resonance.... I sense a philosophy that has been absorbed and being regurgitated as easily as any other borrowed information. That is in my opinion. Just to put my 2 cents worth in on this.

Best regards - turiya

This "more than one identity as a human", couldn't it also be multiple personalities (Dissociative disorder) cases on one hand, each one having its own talents and making its own actions. Couldn't it be what MkUltra were trying to create, having access to multiple personnalities, either within one body or with different bodies, so that they would create the perfect human for certain tasks? And the same with ETs cloning of human beings, multiple containers able to receive the soul components.

On the other hand, in view of the unimaginable power our souls have, it is feasible that it could create and infuse many individuals at once. Since time does not exist in the greater scheme of things, all past lifes and future lifes, and this present one, are in fact simultaneous, therefore, yes, we are many beings at once.

My problem is with the MkUltra or hidden governing bodies usage of the abilities we have, making sure that we are not conscious about it, creating multiples, abusing the talents, etc.

My other problem is how to have all those life communicate consciously, through the soul probably. How to have all those beings soul infused at the same time and conscious of their - its - intent. In an easy enough manner.

[eaglespirit]

It is time for Us to grow up and into Our Spiritual Prowess(heartfelt bravery with a positive light)...please simply stop getting sidetracked or sidetricked by words of usage that may bother you for any number of reasons...like 'godlike' or 'gods', for instance.
Become maturer and wiser spiritual beings, simply by consciously choosing to, and acting on it... and put your very own innate abilities to work for the betterment of all humanity...simply because you can and are much more able than you accept...accept your abilities in gratitude of realization now and use them with wisdom and love. You are 'highly' capable.
And put more of that spiritual maturity into posts here...just because "You Can" for the betterment of the forum that is now working together together as never before to help us transcend this beautiful planet to a very, very higher spiritual ways and means.