LRH (L. Ron Hubbard)

[Agape]

Do they include 'scientology engram' clearing off at the end of the whole process ..i suppose ..they do.

Greetings from the 'other bank' , brothers and sisters Earthlings .

They call it 'the other bank' in some old Hindu Shastras as well. The Place of Non Return .. Is it all but a State of Mind ...the Discussion is Endless ..

We've agreed that the 'Other Bank' is Real State Agent .

Sounds 21st century

[jiminii]

Posted by we-R-one (here)
Hi Jim,
Sorry I couldn't respond till now. So if I have past life memories how can I be a natural clear? Maybe I'm not completely understanding you. So the memories I have are because I'm reading my own GE's pictures? I think I'm not quite grasping all this ...trying to find that post that defined GE, Theta, etc.....Let me ask this...recently someone approached me because they share a same past life as myself, could one of us be a GE and the other spirit?

I hear you when you say you don't do Dianetics, but for others who aren't "clear" they are seeking out this process in order to become "clear", so that's why I voiced the concern on Music's thread because it's by-passing the organic process of emotional clearing which from what I can see appears to be healthier. Also, in order for us to understand what you're talking about, some of us who aren't even familiar with scientology are finding the need to explore further in order to follow, since it appears you're using their vocabulary to describe exactly what you're doing. I'm not criticizing you, just explaining.

GE is genetic entity
all life forms have a GE .. it is like a ghost
a thetan (viewpoint of a spirit ) is the golden ball around the head
GE's have an automatic recording system ... records 60 pictures a second of every perception the body feels .. balance heat humidity pressure touch (why you can feel the difference between metal and wood) .. about 52 perceptions

if you are a natural clear you don't have an automatic recording system .. you never created one
but the GE has ... so if you are seeing past lives all the way to stone age than these are pictures that the GE would have recorded .. they have nothing to do with you
the Natural clear has no pictures from past lives

if you are not a natural clear you will probably have an automatic recording system too and it will have a different time track .. it will have a track that comes from the stars to here ...

if you are a star seed ... that was sent from the future ..you are brand new spirit and will have no past recordings

but then the GE willl have pictures of its past ... those pictures from the GE are not you.

do you understand?

jim

[we-R-one]

The way I'm reading what you're saying is contradicting...You say all life forms have a GE, correct? So is spirit not a life form? because you're saying spirit doesn't have a recording system. So if someone is clear, such as a thetan(spirit), they wouldn't have a GE. Sorry, I'm really trying to get this. Most of my past life memories I have are emotions not pictures. Not sure if this matters, but the past life from the stone age transpired when I had a past life regression done at the age of 16. So the picture memory did not come on it's own out of the blue.

[Anchor]

Posted by we-R-one (here)
bloody hell, that's cheating! lmao....

Solving the Kobayashi Maru by reprogramming the computer.

Never let someone else's portrayal of what must and must not be done get in the way of success!

[jiminii]

Posted by we-R-one (here)
The way I'm reading what you're saying is contradicting...You say all life forms have a GE, correct? So is spirit not a life form? because you're saying spirit doesn't have a recording system. So if someone is clear, such as a thetan(spirit), they wouldn't have a GE. Sorry, I'm really trying to get this. Most of my past life memories I have are emotions not pictures. Not sure if this matters, but the past life from the stone age transpired when I had a past life regression done at the age of 16. So the picture memory did not come on it's own out of the blue.

google tone scale by L Ron Hubbard

these are all the tone levels of spirit and GE
the body only tones go from 0 to 4
the spirit tones go from minus 40 to plus 40

these are also recorded in the the pictures ...

60 pictures a second
each picture contains everything this body senses .. like direction balance .. where is north .. loudness of voice .. tastes .. taste that is hot cold mint etc ... pain evetything ...

the spirit can operate a body from outside the body like inelia benz did the first 3 years of her life
the spirit can operate without a body ,,,,
the spirit can operate inside a body

the GE usually stays in a body until all the cells are dead .. then it goes and finds another body to make
it regulates heart .and all the body functions .. it is given a survival program like lion tiger human ... and it learns by experience and repetition but it can not create new thought ... because it is a creation .. like a robot except it appears to be life from something that is a real spirit .. no ... it would be the same if I put in a computer and ran it .. if I break the computer it doesn't hurt anyone because it is just a creation same like a computer
the GE has weight and you will see the weight of the body drop a little when the person dies because the GE is made of physical universe "matter energy space and time"


all the recordings are in some kind of Physical universe energy around the head and the GE and Spirit carry these recordings from lifetime to life time ... so the GE has emotional tones ... from the range of 0 death .. to 4 enthusiasm

all life forms must have a GE or there would be nothing to animate the matter and make it appear alive

The spirit has no matter no energy no space no time .. no waveform .. nothing ... it can not be measured by any instrument in the physical universe except the pictures it records .. spirit is a being that can postulate and perceive have opinions and etc ...

so a clear would be a spirit being that has turned all his pictures into concepts

but a nature clear never created a recording systems ... it just can KNOW

or if you think you need pictures to operate you can borrow others ... but most of the pictures are full of garbage and wrong interpretations because of the subconscious recordings of pain that can record peoples words as part of the pain and those words can put hypnotic commands in the person

example is : the father is making love to the mother ... the weight of his body is on the baby and is painful makes the baby go unconscious .. the mother says "oh this is beautiful this is wonderful I don't know how I can live without you" to the father

so the baby gets the interpretation .. "it is beautiful and wonderful and I can't live without the pain" so she must be given pain when she has sex because she thinks she will not be able to survive with out the pain .. when you take someone back to see what happen this erases and the masochism is gone too .

this picture can be recorded by the spirit or the GE and/or both

LRH found the GE because the lifetimes of a GE overlapped the lifetimes of a spirit ... like the spirit died when the GE was still alive and died later ... so he found 2 tracks of pictures .. one from the GE and one from the Spirit .. one set where most of the spirits (thetans) have been coming to this planet for the last 500 years ... and the longest they have found was maybe 13 thousand years but GE will be found only on this planet .. Spirit will be found on this planet and others in the stars

so a natural clear has NO PICTURES ... but you can be in a body with at GE and you would only see the pictures of the GE .. I don't know how they would audit a natural clear .. you can ask bill

jim

[Hervé]

In an attempt to clarify the whole mess of ordinary life for a run-of-the-mill humanoid like myself or any non-natural clears... and reposting from

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
[...]

Whose memories, indeed?

I have attempted to address that fundamental question in this post:

A few words on these different memory lines…

I am gonna draw from a very old Gypsy tradition (Pierre Derlon; Tradition Occultes des Gitans) which summarizes Man as:

“The figure 3 and its geometrical transcription – the triangle -- means “Life.” Numerous jewelries are constructed around that number. According to Tzigans, Man as a whole is constituted of a body which rots, a spirit which persists and an immaterial body as an interface between these two.”

That’s the “body-mind-spirit” thing that’s being trashed around.

It’s a trinity constituted of elements which are independent of each other and thrown together to make up a human being. This is represented in the universal “Triskel” with three independently originated spirals joining together to form a central triangle. Later traditions omitted the generating spirals to only keep the central composite triangle.

From there, we end up with three independent memory lines; one genetic, one spiritual and one from the interface. Hence the confusion as to whose memories one is accessing through whichever method.

Here is a quick rundown of the complexity that can be achieved with such combinations:

Genetic/biological line memories: retains its own experiences PLUS the experiences of the mind-interfaces which have influenced its lineage PLUS the memories of the various spirits which have influenced the other two along that same lineage.

Rotate the above scenario for the mind line of memories and the spirit line of memories… you might find that the [ball of] yarn that has been gone through by a few alley cats is kiddy stuff to unravel…

If I understand it correctly, that "interface" is also what Inelia describes as the "Body Intelligence" (see this post).

One source I found that recounts an abduction from two, if not three, of the component perspectives is Truman Cash in one of his e-books (don't remember whether it's "The Programming of a Planet" or "Eye of Ra?"), that is:

One of Truman's recounts describes an abduction where there's a biological body at the wheel of a car, another "body" being abducted and worked on by the ETs and then someone witnessing the whole thing... all coming back together to swerve the car from running into the ditch.


My understanding is that the "zero-state" is the one witnessing the whole thing and also known as "YOU" the spirit/higher self/etc... The body being abducted, and the one being implanted with all sorts of false memories, post-hypnotic behaviours and beliefs, I take it as being the "body intelligence," the "interface," the "mind" or the "GE."

In that recount, hypothetically, the biological body recalls: rape, torture, biological samplings imprinted in its flesh (through "interface"'s actual experience impinging on body cells the same way as stigmata are generated); whereas "Mind" recalls this beautiful loving experience with beings of light and love... and "YOU"/"zero-state" goes: "... WTF?"

So... yeah... know thyself... but mainly, also know what's not "Thyself!"

[jiminii]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
In an attempt to clarify the whole mess of ordinary life for a run-of-the-mill humanoid like myself or any non-natural clears... and reposting from

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
[...]

Whose memories, indeed?

I have attempted to address that fundamental question in this post:

A few words on these different memory lines…

I am gonna draw from a very old Gypsy tradition (Pierre Derlon; Tradition Occultes des Gitans) which summarizes Man as:

“The figure 3 and its geometrical transcription – the triangle -- means “Life.” Numerous jewelries are constructed around that number. According to Tzigans, Man as a whole is constituted of a body which rots, a spirit which persists and an immaterial body as an interface between these two.”

That’s the “body-mind-spirit” thing that’s being trashed around.

It’s a trinity constituted of elements which are independent of each other and thrown together to make up a human being. This is represented in the universal “Triskel” with three independently originated spirals joining together to form a central triangle. Later traditions omitted the generating spirals to only keep the central composite triangle.

From there, we end up with three independent memory lines; one genetic, one spiritual and one from the interface. Hence the confusion as to whose memories one is accessing through whichever method.

Here is a quick rundown of the complexity that can be achieved with such combinations:

Genetic/biological line memories: retains its own experiences PLUS the experiences of the mind-interfaces which have influenced its lineage PLUS the memories of the various spirits which have influenced the other two along that same lineage.

Rotate the above scenario for the mind line of memories and the spirit line of memories… you might find that the [ball of] yarn that has been gone through by a few alley cats is kiddy stuff to unravel…

If I understand it correctly, that "interface" is also what Inelia describes as the "Body Intelligence" (see this post).

One source I found that recounts an abduction from two, if not three, of the component perspectives is Truman Cash in one of his e-books (don't remember whether it's "The Programming of a Planet" or "Eye of Ra?"), that is:

One of Truman's recounts describes an abduction where there's a biological body at the wheel of a car, another "body" being abducted and worked on by the ETs and then someone witnessing the whole thing... all coming back together to swerve the car from running into the ditch.


My understanding is that the "zero-state" is the one witnessing the whole thing and also known as "YOU" the spirit/higher self/etc... The body being abducted, and the one being implanted with all sorts of false memories, post-hypnotic behaviours and beliefs, I take it as being the "body intelligence," the "interface," the "mind" or the "GE."

In that recount, hypothetically, the biological body recalls: rape, torture, biological samplings imprinted in its flesh (through "interface"'s actual experience impinging on body cells the same way as stigmata are generated); whereas "Mind" recalls this beautiful loving experience with beings of light and love... and "YOU"/"zero-state" goes: "... WTF?"

So... yeah... know thyself... but mainly, also know what's not "Thyself!"

this all changed when I learned of having more than one body
then it becomes a body with spirit ... (Thetan lifeline viewpoint with or without a memory recording system) and GE (genetic entity ghost creates and manages life forms from their birth until their extinctions has memory recording system)

so all lifeforms have a GE (ghost with memory recording system)
spirit is outside the physical universe MEST matter energy space and time ) creating the MEST universe and everything inside using a created thetan (golden ball around the head has or hasn't a memory recording system ) or many thetans
the spirit is the creator along with every other spirit in this universe .. if you are not creating it you can not see it or be in it changing it. so we are the creators
so all of the above can be in one of these bodies on this planet .. and you can find some of them stuck in trees or they are hiding in dogs ... they could even be stuck in an artifact

and one more thing ... you don't have to be some level of buddhism or some level of scientology .. like OT 1 OT 2 OT 3 OT 4

if your intention is greater than another whether he is high in some level in some philosophy your postulate will win over the other ...

so you don't have to compare yourself to others on any level system

the person who has to most powerful intention will get the weather he wants ... and if you get it ... take a win ... so you can do it easier and better next time

jim

[Hervé]

Regarding the "Zero state" or what LRH calls a true "Static" (see this post <---):

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Now... if you can "Love thy enemy"... why not yourself?

There is where Ho'oponopono comes into the picture so that the programming that attracts whatever is out there can be incapacitated and/or disabled:

***********************************************************

When Joe Vitale met with Dr. Hew Len and asked him how exactly he managed to heal these violent patients without actually seeing each of them in person, his answer was:

“I didn’t heal them. I healed part of myself that created them”. To me that was the most fundamental revelation to date. That phrase alone explains the most important presumption of Ho’oponopono:

You are 100% responsible for everything. Everything and everywhere! And it means not only your personal screwups and your personal successes. If means if someone somewhere did something and you became aware of that – you are 100% responsible for that.

Ho’oponopono is not your free ticket to guilt trip. Being 100% responsible is not the same as feeling infinitely guilty for miseries. It’s reminder of your creative powers and gentle welcome to return back to your inner nature. That is to "Zero". Joe Vitale wrote a great book on the subject called "Zero Limits". When you are returning back to your most inner nature – to Zero – everything becomes available to you effortlessly and you are being driven by inspiration from Divinity, not by petty ego wants. Ho’oponopono’s "Zero" is the same thing that Eckhart Tolle names Unmanifested.

Back to practical reality – let assume that "Zero" is the next great thing after sliced bread. Or even before sliced bread. Whatever. How do we get to that “magical” state? What exactly needed to be done?

This is achieved by constant cleaning process. Cleaning is the actual Ho’oponopono practice. Cleaning what? You clean yourself from subconscious garbage – programs that run your life without your participation.

Apparently Ho’oponopono process is very simple. Actual Ho’oponopono cleaning process consists of repetitions of the following phrases:

• I Love You
• Please forgive me
• I am sorry
• Thank you

These phrases repeated will ignite the self transformation process for the practitioner. This is exactly what Dr. Hew Len did to invite divine transformation powers for his surrounding during his work at Hawaiian mental hospital.


Taken from: http://www.idreamcatcher.com/hooponopono/

[jiminii]

Re: the murder of LRH
Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Posted by turiya (here)
[...]

Just can't help but to post the following in a kind of response...

turiya
Why not post this in Bill's Q&A thread?

I'll be very interested in his own answer because, as far as I am concerned, Osho is advocating the very premise of Scientology, the philosophy, since Scientology is an applied philosophy that has taken on the "religion" label because it deals with "theta"/"spirit"/spirituality which, by definition, is the domain of "religion":

STATIC,
1. a static is something without mass, without wavelength, without time, and actually without position. That’s a static and that is the definition of zero. (5410CM06)

2 . a static by definition, is something that is in a complete equilibrium. It isn’t moving and that’s why we’ve used the word static. Not in an engineering sense but in its absolute dictionary sense. (5608C--)

3 . an actuality of no mass, no wave-length, no position in space or relation in time, but with the quality of creating or destroying mass or energy, locating itself or creating space, and of re-relating time. (Dn 55!, p. 29)

4 . something which has no motion. The word is from the Latin, sto meaning stand. No part of mest can be static, but theta is static. Theta has no motion. Even when the mest it controls is moving in space and time, theta is not moving, since theta is not in space or time. (Abil 114A)

5 . has no motion, it has no width, length, breadth, depth; it is not held in suspension by an equilibrium of forces; it does not have mass; it does not contain wave-lengths; it has no situation in time or space. (Scn 8-8008, p. 13)

6 . the simplest thing there is is a static, but a static is not nothingness. These are not synonyms. We speak of it carelessly as a nothingness. That’s because we say nothingness in relationship to the space and objects of the material universe. Life has a quality. It has an ability. When we say nothingness we simply mean it has no quantity. There is no quantitative factor. (5411CM05)


THETAN,
1. the living unit we call, in Scn, a thetan, that being taken from the Greek letter theta, the mathematic symbol used in Scn to indicate the source of life and life itself. (Abil Ma 1)

2 . the awareness of awareness unit which has all potentialities but no mass, no wave-length and no location. (HCOB 3 Jul 59)

3 . the being who is the individual and who handles and lives in the body. (HCOB 23 Apr 69)

4 . (spirit) is described in Scn as having no mass, no wave-length, no energy and no time or location in space except by consideration or postulate. The spirit is not a thing. It is the creator of things. (FOT, p. 55)

5 . the personality and beingness which actually is the individual and is aware of being aware and is ordinarily and normally the “person” and who the individual thinks he is. The thetan is immortal and is possessed of capabilities well in excess of those hitherto predicted for man. (Scn 8-8008, p. 9)

6 . the name given to the life source. It is the individual, the being, the personality, the knowingness of the human being. (Scn 8-80, p. 46)

7 . energyspace production unit. (COHA, p. 247)

8 . in the final analysis what is this thing called thetan? It is simply you before you mocked yourself up and that is the handiest definition I know of. (5608C——)

9 . the person himself—not his body or his name, the physical universe, his mind, or anything else; that which is aware of being aware; the identity which is the individual. The thetan is most familiar to one and all as you. (Aud 25 UK)

1 0 . a static that can consider, and can produce space and energy and objects . (PXL, p . 121 )


VIEWPOINT,
1. a point of awareness from which one can perceive. (PAB 2)

2 . that thing which an individual puts out remotely, to look through. A system of remote lookingness— we’ll call it just remote viewpoint. That’s a specialized kind of viewpoint. And the place from which the individual is himself looking, we’ll call flatly a viewpoint. (2ACC 17A, 5312CM07)

3 . evaluation is the reactive mind’s conception of viewpoint. The reactive mind does not perceive, it evaluates. To the analytical mind it may sometimes appear that the reactive mind has a viewpoint. The reactive mind does not have a viewpoint, it has an evaluation of viewpoint. Thus the viewpoint of the analytical mind is an actual point from which one perceives. Perception is done by sight, sound, smell, tactile, etc. The reactive mind’s ‘viewpoint’ is an opinion based on another opinion and upon a very small amount of observation, and that observation would be formed out of uncertainties. Thus the confusion of the word viewpoint itself. It can be a point from which one can be aware, which is its analytical definition, and it can be somebody’s ideas on a certain subject which is the reactive definition. (CONA, pp. 208-209)
from these definitions you can see if we use the definition of thetan is the spirit
then viewpoint is a point he views from

in the time track of theta tapes LRH says a thetan can operate more than one body

therefore .. it must have more than one viewpoint ...
and each viewpoint has it's own individual track
and it's own individual memory banks

that is how I see it ... if we are operating more than one body

jim

[Agape]

There's none of this that has not been previously recorded in Vedas .

However, the 'method' itself such as auditing does not necessarily and ultimately purify the 'view' and the highest view is free from postulations and concepts.

people do create fantasies and even gross physical mistakes even in high spiritual realms where their perception about their 'Self' is already very pure
and so , they tend to remain with their purified fantasies for a long time ..

thus, many systems in human past were created
each causing societal collapse after they exhausted
the enigma entrusted to them .

[jiminii]

Posted by jiminii (here)
Re: the murder of LRH
Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Posted by turiya (here)
[...]

Just can't help but to post the following in a kind of response...

turiya
Why not post this in Bill's Q&A thread?

THETAN,
1. the living unit we call, in Scn, a thetan, that being taken from the Greek letter theta, the mathematic symbol used in Scn to indicate the source of life and life itself. (Abil Ma 1)

2 . the awareness of awareness unit which has all potentialities but no mass, no wave-length and no location. (HCOB 3 Jul 59)

3 . the being who is the individual and who handles and lives in the body. (HCOB 23 Apr 69)

4 . (spirit) is described in Scn as having no mass, no wave-length, no energy and no time or location in space except by consideration or postulate. The spirit is not a thing. It is the creator of things. (FOT, p. 55)


6 . the name given to the life source. It is the individual, the being, the personality, the knowingness of the human being. (Scn 8-80, p. 46)

7 . energyspace production unit. (COHA, p. 247)

9 . the person himself—not his body or his name, the physical universe, his mind, or anything else; that which is aware of being aware; the identity which is the individual. The thetan is most familiar to one and all as you. (Aud 25 UK)

1 0 . a static that can consider, and can produce space and energy and objects . (PXL, p . 121 )


VIEWPOINT,
1. a point of awareness from which one can perceive. (PAB 2)

2 . that thing which an individual puts out remotely, to look through. A system of remote lookingness— we’ll call it just remote viewpoint. That’s a specialized kind of viewpoint. And the place from which the individual is himself looking, we’ll call flatly a viewpoint. (2ACC 17A, 5312CM07)

from these definitions you can see if we use the definition of thetan is the spirit
then viewpoint is a point he views from

jim

from the time track of theta tapes LRH says a Thetan can have more than one viewpoint

from these definitions you can see the static does not move ... the static is theta ...
therefore how much theta a person possesses depends on the amount of pure life theta to entheta .. (enturbulated theta) he has
by erasing the lies releases this theta out of the trapped entheta back to the collective

anyway you can do that brings more usable theta to the collective so more harmony and more life potential is available.

does this make sense?

jim

[jiminii]

Posted by jiminii (here)

Posted by we-R-one (here)
Hi Jim,
Sorry I couldn't respond till now. So if I have past life memories how can I be a natural clear? Maybe I'm not completely understanding you. So the memories I have are because I'm reading my own GE's pictures? I think I'm not quite grasping all this ...trying to find that post that defined GE, Theta, etc.....Let me ask this...recently someone approached me because they share a same past life as myself, could one of us be a GE and the other spirit?

I hear you when you say you don't do Dianetics, but for others who aren't "clear" they are seeking out this process in order to become "clear", so that's why I voiced the concern on Music's thread because it's by-passing the organic process of emotional clearing which from what I can see appears to be healthier. Also, in order for us to understand what you're talking about, some of us who aren't even familiar with scientology are finding the need to explore further in order to follow, since it appears you're using their vocabulary to describe exactly what you're doing. I'm not criticizing you, just explaining.

GE is genetic entity
all life forms have a GE .. it is like a ghost
a thetan (viewpoint of a spirit ) is the golden ball around the head
GE's have an automatic recording system ... records 60 pictures a second of every perception the body feels .. balance heat humidity pressure touch (why you can feel the difference between metal and wood) .. about 52 perceptions

if you are a natural clear you don't have an automatic recording system .. you never created one
but the GE has ... so if you are seeing past lives all the way to stone age than these are pictures that the GE would have recorded .. they have nothing to do with you
the Natural clear has no pictures from past lives

if you are not a natural clear you will probably have an automatic recording system too and it will have a different time track .. it will have a track that comes from the stars to here ...

if you are a star seed ... that was sent from the future ..you are brand new spirit and will have no past recordings

but then the GE willl have pictures of its past ... those pictures from the GE are not you.

do you understand?

jim

sorry it looks like I didn't answer all your questions ...

every life form has a GE .. (Genetic Entity) ... it is like if you were up there creating lions and tigers and etc ... you had some idea of what you wanted to create and you would create this dolphin ... you design all of it and to make it alive and all the cells in it , ... you would create a thought from that looks like a ghost .. then you program into it how it is to survive and it's motion and everything you want to get out of this creation... and then you would probably test this creation out in some ocean and figure out if it needs more programming ... but the ghost animates the dolphin ... gives it life ... manages the heart beat and all the glands ...and gives it a personality

every life form has a GE and this GE also has a memory system that records about 52 perceptions ... everything the body feels like light brightness dimness touching metal touching plastic .. everything and this also includes the emotional scale .. death apathy grief sympathy fear covert hostility anger pain antagonism boredom .. conservatism enthusiasm ... these are 0 to 4 called tone levels of a body ... spirit can go higher up to serenity of beingness 40 and postulates 30 (creating a planet out of nothing) and below death owning controlling and punishing bodies .. total failure .. hiding would be minus tone scales .. for a thetan goes from minus 40 to plus 40

so your GE is in your body ... and it has its own memories and the thetan has its own memories .. and you the awareness unit are looking at both ..

if you are natural clear there are no memories .. there was never made a recording system but you would still have memories that the GE genetic entity has or those memories that were recorded by the GE that manages your body

all those pictures can be erased ... when erased then you have no reactive mind that reacts off stimulus response mechanisms ..

if someone came up to you and said, "how is your father?" and you hate him you might scream "don't ever talk about my father" .. would be a stimulus response mechanism

does this make sense?

jim

[Dila]

Hi Jim!

First of all, thank you for the interesting thread. You introduced a lot of new concepts and fresh angles that I haven’t considered so far.

I have a few questions for you.

1. If an incarnated identity (human) has within itself a GE and a thetan (in some cases), then what happens after the body dies? I think you mentioned that GE goes and finds a new body for itself. If GE is self aware and can move through bodies that tells me it can evolve through experience.
In view of that GE is just as valuable as other living consciousness and deserves a chance to live. Where does the figure of 70% of GEs come from?

2. Do negatively oriented ETs have thetans? Do they have a recording system? They don’t seem to be concerned about karma very much.

3. You mentioned that according to Ron Hubbard criminals from other planets had been dumped here on this planet for ‘good’ behavior. Were they also trapped thetans or GEs? I guess since GEs cannot live on other planets, they must be thetans. It just paints thetans as a bunch of unruly troublemakers and not evolved beings.

4. You mentioned that the guys who had won the war decided to trap thetans from the losing side on this planet and now there is nobody competent enough to run the universe. If they are a bunch of nincompoops how did they manage to entrap beings much greater than themselves?

5. I listened to Bashar presentation on Awake & Aware 2013 http://awakeandaware2013.net/speakers where he explained that a person couldn’t really go back in time and change past events in order to affect the future. According to him the reality is a bunch of countless static pictures (like video frames) which you change millions of times a second. So you jump between probabilities/timelines all the time without knowing it. He says that it is impossible to go to the past and change it because your past is a set of trillions of still frames from different probabilities which are and always will be there. You could go back in time and try to change the events but you would be jumping back in time to an entirely different probability/timeline and not your own. So the paradox of time travelling where you go back and kill your grandfather and yourself cease to exist cannot happen. Some other version of you from another timeline/probability would cease to exist but your timeline would remain unchanged.
In view of that, my question is- where did you get the information about thetans sending portions of themselves back in time to shift the balance between GEs and thetans so we can win the war?

Thank you for the thought provoking and refreshing thread.
I appreciate very much your coming forward with this information.

Love,
Dila

[jiminii]

Posted by Dila (here)
Hi Jim!

1. If an incarnated identity (human) has within itself a GE and a thetan (in some cases), then what happens after the body dies? I think you mentioned that GE goes and finds a new body for itself. If GE is self aware and can move through bodies that tells me it can evolve through experience.
In view of that GE is just as valuable as other living consciousness and deserves a chance to live. Where does the figure of 70% of GEs come from?

GE usually waits for all the cells to die and then goes looking for a new body to create unless it is violently killed ... it won't stay in the body ... leaves a ghost in the house .. that more or less does the same things it did when it was alive .. but it can't create new thought ... and if someone gets in a seance with them the ghost will play but will just send garbage to anyone in contact with them . the GE can be heavily influenced by a previous strong personality ..but is still basically a being that copies information since it can't make any new thoughts .. learns by experience and repetition ..A GE is very well designed and can be an engineer ... but usually it's designs will not always match or work well it takes a thetan to be able to see out points in the design and correct them. the GE's keep breeding and making more bodies ... but the amount of Spirit beings being dumped on the planet is not as much as the amount of GE's being created .. . someone wrote something about zenu and 250 billion spirits were blown up here with atomic bombs in volcano's about 75 million years ago ... those beings are too damaged to be able to take on a new life here ..so we are limited to the amount of spirits being dumped here to the amount of GE's being created

2. Do negatively oriented ETs have thetans? Do they have a recording system? They don’t seem to be concerned about karma very much.

from my viewpoint these retilians appear to be too robotic to have thetans in them ... to do what is ordered of them with no conscious or remorse ... so I believe most of them doing all the negative stuff are controlled by others that do have thetans .. and look at us like chicken .. with no regards for our life ... it would be the same as we look at an ant hill that we don't want near our house .. we just go out there and wipe it out ..all GE's have a recording system so it can operate .. GE's have no ability to operate on KNOW .. there is no spirit there that can KNOW ... to get the idea of a GE ... it would be like building electronic circuits and putting them in some kind of robot .. the CPU central processing unit would be programmed to run it ..
the problem is if you put a piece of knowledge on every cell in the human body it would have enough information to run about 6 hours ... so it needs this automatic memory system recording every perception the body feels ... because it has to be able to respond to balance to balance the body and direction and motion and every other response it would need to make this body move fast and smoothly ... all of it is recorded ... if I remember (don't have the books .) it is either 25 times a second or 50 times a second ...if you can down load the books it will tell you ... so basically it is a creation like a ghost but if you went back in time to its original creation the ghost would disappear forever ... and like an ant hill the reptilians are managed similar to one queen bee running all the ants in some kind of mental connection to all of them ... so in the future they will try to set up the entire galaxy to be mentally run by them ...
so if 90 percent of them or more are GE's being managed by a few with Thetans ... the GE's only have body tones .. from 0 death to 4 enthusiasm ... the negative beings running them are thetans running below death tone levels .. like owning controlling and punishing bodies .. the thetan has emotional tones from minus 40 hiding to plus 40 serenity of beingness

3. You mentioned that according to Ron Hubbard criminals from other planets had been dumped here on this planet for ‘good’ behavior. Were they also trapped thetans or GEs? I guess since GEs cannot live on other planets, they must be thetans. It just paints thetans as a bunch of unruly troublemakers and not evolved beings.

that is a no change system up there ... so anyone tries to change it comes here .. artist genius engineers .. managers ... criminals ... perverts .. degrade beings ..(like bums) .. anything unwanted gets dumped here .. and especially the big beings because their power is so much that they can be the only ones that can stop them ... has nothing to do with behavior ... there is no real reason too ... many are here because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time .. nothing they did wrong .. they were in some area where they just scooped up the thetans there ..The GE's designed for this planet are designed to live in this kind of environment ... and that is not true .. you could compare the better half of this planet as the rebels in star wars and those in the stars would be the suppressive empire ... also the same bankers creating the same wars they did in the stars for money .. all of it comes from the stars ... we are here to get the jedi and innocent out ... but we can also salvage the rest if they will only decide to do the course to strip them of all those recordings that are making them criminals and perverts ...

4. You mentioned that the guys who had won the war decided to trap thetans from the losing side on this planet and now there is nobody competent enough to run the universe. If they are a bunch of nincompoops how did they manage to entrap beings much greater than themselves?

it is more complicated than that ... 50,000 years ago the most powerful got together and admitted they were losing .. more and more of them were being trapped and if all of them would be trapped there would be no one left that would be able to free anyone .. everyone would be trapped ... and enslaved ... so they are the ones that have been creating the technology ...
so they hide themselves in a time portal somewhere where no one would find them and started their work on finding ways to undo what has been done to get us to this point of time in such a mess ... so they are the ones that trapped all the remaining jedi .. or big beings .. because the big beings would be the only ones that could stop them and their plan. so the empire won the war not the most powerful ...so we could hide ourselves and design a way to get everyone out of this mess we are in . so we set it up so the governments would do this ... and this would put the entire galaxy at risk ... they need us but they are also afraid of us ... you invite someone to a party and get them all happy watching the show and all the beautiful creations so they are off their guard and then hit them with all the electronics ... put some kind of fluid in their bodies that will trap the spirit and then put them in ice cubes and dump them in the oceans on this planet ... with all kinds of implant machines and force fields around the planet ...


5. I listened to Bashar presentation on Awake & Aware 2013 http://awakeandaware2013.net/speakers where he explained that a person couldn’t really go back in time and change past events in order to affect the future. According to him the reality is a bunch of countless static pictures (like video frames) which you change millions of times a second. So you jump between probabilities/timelines all the time without knowing it. He says that it is impossible to go to the past and change it because your past is a set of trillions of still frames from different probabilities which are and always will be there. You could go back in time and try to change the events but you would be jumping back in time to an entirely different probability/timeline and not your own. So the paradox of time travelling where you go back and kill your grandfather and yourself cease to exist cannot happen. Some other version of you from another timeline/probability would cease to exist but your timeline would remain unchanged.
In view of that, my question is- where did you get the information about thetans sending portions of themselves back in time to shift the balance between GEs and thetans so we can win the war?

if this were true than a touch assist wouldn't work ... means .. get a bad cut on your hand and get in the exact same position and put the knife at the exact place you cut the hand and touch it until all the pain is gone .. and the hand is totally healed ... but not healed ... the creation of the cut is vanished ... so the cut never happened ...

you doing the touch assist must go to that moment of time and look at the exact moment ... while you are touching the hand with the knife .. means you ... can go to that time and undo the creation of the cut ...and anything else can be undone

it is true it is a bunch of static pictures but you are looking and using all of those pictures for your own memories ... in fact an insane man could be stuck back there in some past that has all these snakes coming at him and mixing those pictures with present and he REALLY sees the snakes .. and the psychiatrists tells him it is an illusion so the person can not sort out the pictures so he can get back to present time ...keeps the guy insane ...

by coming back to this period of time we subconsciously are putting their attention here and everyone else's attention here at the same time ... they may not know it in the future ... but they can sense it and be here trying to stop what you're doing ... this 76 trillion years is this way the last 76 trillion was magic we could go to the future and stop and wait for the enemy to show up and zap them all out ... you can't use earth logic to try to describe what a spirit can do .. we take and create viewpoints and we can stick them inside this reality anywhere we want ... because the spirit being is outside this creation creating it all along with all the other spirit beings ... that are all putting viewpoints in along this time track so they jump in and figure out what we are doing and put sleeper children in the church of scientology to take it over using the reptilian mind control mind melds they use to take over the church from the inside ... that this how they took the church .. because that is the only way they can stop it ...
and this is the second run we are doing ... we are the master games players .. that is what we are ... we created this game called the physical universe so we have more advantage to winning then anyone one else ... when I say we . I mean LRH and me and others from base 2 ... and we can trained and process others up to that level in ron's org ..here on the planet
they can not stop us ... they have no real power .. their power is only what they can create out of the physical universe like space ships and etc .. they have no real spiritual power .. their only power is suppression ... and fear ...

LRH was created in the Future ... right out of source and so was I ... now source is outside the box ... imagine the entire universe is a box ... all spirit beings that have viewpoints inside this box are doing it from outside the box

we put the viewpoints inside the box to get us eyes and it is like a helmet .. we put on top the body to control it feel it and manage it ... but the helmet ..(viewpoint is a creation) ... the spirit is static ... there is no motion no waveform to matter no energy no space and no time ... but it can create all those ... there is no motion in the static only the spirit but it can create motion outside the static .. so we can create anything we want inside this box but this box is an agreed upon box .. we all agreed to the laws .. so we can not undo the agreements for others .. but we can undo the agreements for ourselves like undo the agreement of gravity and levitate .. I have been getting auditing for years .. every night looking up into a nothingness ... and be heavy yawns of charge blowing off ... and then trey audited me and we located all my other bodies .after awhile I start to realize what happened and then I came to this website ... some one from free zone contacted me and verified what I say is true ... we are running this time again

so how does this change the future ... if you prevented someone from losing a leg ... what could he do in the future with that leg as we go forward again... if we make people more powerful and less fearful and more aware what will happen as we carry that through the future a second time .. the ripple effect goes all the way to the top of the future and even though it hasn't happened we can predict what will happen as we run through the creation the second time

each time we run this track from this time to the future ... we are creating from this time forward ... with newly created spirits sent from the future who do not have a recording system that can mess up their minds with implants and booby trapped hypnotic commands ...and etc ... so we are just doing a different create that goes right on up and changes the future as we go ..so this is what a spirit can do ... create viewpoints in the future and they will guide us there and create viewpoints in this time ... and from the future they can manage us even if it is done on a subconscious method ...

so if they can do this to me ... then they can also be auditing others all over the planet from the future without anyone knowing it ... and so now you can see why I am not worried about everyone one getting there ... they might be protesting as hard as they want ... but we can contact the spirit and the spirit will agree even if the body doesn't ...
this place is mine ... and it will go the way I want it to go ... and please don't take that as an offence ... I am not changing free choice ... I am removing the lies that are in everyone so they can change their minds to doing what is right ...(not just me but many in the future now trained to get us through this ... and if you want to look at is another way ... the spirit outside the box has a body it is running inside the box of everyone here .. in the future) ... so in a way you might say you are clearing yourselves from the future ... hahaha .. god that was a good cognition ... hahahaha
this telepathy is getting better ... I'm yawning like crazy ... thanks

anything else you want to know ....???



Thank you for the thought provoking and refreshing thread.
I appreciate very much your coming forward with this information.

Love,
Dila

much love and life to you
jim

[Hervé]

Posted by jiminii (here)
[...].. . someone wrote something about zenu and 250 billion spirits were blown up here with atomic bombs in volcano's about 75 million years ago ... those beings are too damaged to be able to take on a new life here ..so we are limited to the amount of spirits being dumped here to the amount of GE's being created

Yep, that simple question was never addressed... since GEs don't die either but go on the lookout for a new biological body being conceive, that makes for ~240 billion surplus GEs... and as many beings left hanging around and most probably playing devils, demons, angels, djinns, faeries, gnomes, etc... according to whatever portion of the implant they are dramatizing and which includes victim/perpetrator sides of the implant coin.

[...]

... we take and create viewpoints and we can stick them inside this reality anywhere we want ... because the spirit being is outside this creation creating it all along with all the other spirit beings ... that are all putting viewpoints in along this time track so they jump in and figure out what we are doing...

[...]
jim

Would that be why many a supersoldier/MKultra products turned whistle-blowers "embrace(d)" what they call the "Christ Consciousness" and being filled with "his" light to turn their lives around?

That would be a "good gag" too...

[Czarek]

FYI, for those that are trying to find L.R.Hubbard's "Time track of theta, More on the history of Man";

It is four lectures given by LRH on March 10, 1952 and those are:

1. Organization of Data
2. Theta Lines
3. History of Theta Line
4. Principal Incidence of the Theta Line.

I have not been able to find them in any other format other than audio cassette tape.

HTH

[Bubu]

Here is something that all of us knew to be true. One of the cabals strategy for control is to disorient and confused us.

truth dwells in simplicity while deceit hides in complexity.

My tract record in school proves to me that I am not dumb. But I can not reconcile any of this claims.


Weather control I have no problem with that even bigger things can be accomplish by the mind, but to say that only a handful has an spirit.....

Suppose this claims are true what can we spirit less GEs do about it.
"The essence of the genius is knowing what to ignore".AE

The cabal leave nothing to chance left no stone unturned when it comes to deception. They spend huge amount (they have the printing press anyway) and employs millions of people to think of things you can never imagine such as this one.

this thread is a waste of time

[jiminii]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by jiminii (here)
[...].. . someone wrote something about zenu and 250 billion spirits were blown up here with atomic bombs in volcano's about 75 million years ago ... those beings are too damaged to be able to take on a new life here ..so we are limited to the amount of spirits being dumped here to the amount of GE's being created

Yep, that simple question was never addressed... since GEs don't die either but go on the lookout for a new biological body being conceive, that makes for ~240 billion surplus GEs... and as many beings left hanging around and most probably playing devils, demons, angels, djinns, faeries, gnomes, etc... according to whatever portion of the implant they are dramatizing and which includes victim/perpetrator sides of the implant coin.

[...]

... we take and create viewpoints and we can stick them inside this reality anywhere we want ... because the spirit being is outside this creation creating it all along with all the other spirit beings ... that are all putting viewpoints in along this time track so they jump in and figure out what we are doing...

[...]
jim

Would that be why many a supersoldier/MKultra products turned whistle-blowers "embrace(d)" what they call the "Christ Consciousness" and being filled with "his" light to turn their lives around?

That would be a "good gag" too...

well I only learned about this super soldier stuff recently ...but I saw a bit of a interview ... this being was naturally able to do this VT or whatever it is called .. and these low life are still stuck in the mechanics ... like earth mechanics can not get a result because first of all they are violating the beings ethics ... and they will do something to shut it down .. they will reach for someone even if is mainland belief systems to shut it down ,, but they were already quite aware before it got perverted by the ... what do we call them ... MOB ... inplanters ..

it is like this OT I knew one time tell about how people who pray can really be putting out a reach that is loud enough to get her attention .. a GI in vietnam is pinned down by snipers and she gets out of her body and goes there and ask him what is the matter .. he says " what .. who are you ... whats going on " she says, "oh I am just a scientologist .. anything you need?"
he says, "yes these snipers got me pinned down ... and I can't escape" ... she says "well I'll take care of that " and she goes up and scares the life out of the snipers and comes back and says, "you're ok now .. you can go back to base"
and he begs .. "no no please follow me back can you?"
so she follows him back to base where he is safe .,

really don't know how many are doing stuff like this from any part of the collective . but yes it could be like this

jim

[jiminii]

Posted by nature (here)
Here is something that all of us knew to be true. One of the cabals strategy for control is to disorient and confused us.

truth dwells in simplicity while deceit hides in complexity.

My tract record in school proves to me that I am not dumb. But I can not reconcile any of this claims.


Weather control I have no problem with that even bigger things can be accomplish by the mind, but to say that only a handful has an spirit.....

Suppose this claims are true what can we spirit less GEs do about it.
"The essence of the genius is knowing what to ignore".AE

The cabal leave nothing to chance left no stone unturned when it comes to deception. They spend huge amount (they have the printing press anyway) and employs millions of people to think of things you can never imagine such as this one.

this thread is a waste of time

we are only talking about a prison planet ... and most GE (only) beings would probably not be on this website ... spirit beings will be in places where their interest are .. perverted spirits will be there and criminals would be in a mob ... but GE's are basically servants would probably be in a 9 to 5 job ...

most of the spirits would not be on a prison planet .. they would be in the stars

jim

[Dila]

Hi Jim!

Thank you very much for your answers. This is fascinating stuff and I want to understand it in detail. I have more questions for you. I apologise if you answered them earlier, I did look through all of your posts on this thread but I might have overlooked or misunderstood what you wrote.

So let me see if I got at least some of it right.

Millions of years ago the wars were waged between thetans because for whatever reason they couldn’t play nice together. The winning thetans were using some technology to trap thetans from a losing side on planets like Earth through trickery, electronics and implants. 50 000 years ago the remaining thetans from the losing side devised a plan. They hid themselves in a time portal and ……all the rest is fuzzy to me so I will ask more questions.

What exactly was their plan? To create more viewpoints (thetans) in the future without recording system and send them back in time with the purpose of outnumbering GEs and also auditing other thetans? Is that right?

Posted by jiminii (here)


…the GE's keep breeding and making more bodies ... but the amount of Spirit beings being dumped on the planet is not as much as the amount of GE's being created .. .

Who creates GEs? I think you mentioned somewhere that one Thetan can create multiple GEs (if I remember correctly). So on this planet negative (for lack of a better word) thetans keep creating more GEs to use as slaves, is that it? Is it why we have more GEs than thetans?

Posted by jiminii (here)

someone wrote something about zenu and 250 billion spirits were blown up here with atomic bombs in volcano's about 75 million years ago ... those beings are too damaged to be able to take on a new life here ..so we are limited to the amount of spirits being dumped here to the amount of GE's being created..

Do you mean 250 billion spirits or thetans (viewpoints)? So spirits or thetans can be ripped apart with an atomic bomb? And 75 million years is not enough for them to put themselves back together again? I think you mentioned that “spirit is static ... there is no motion no waveform to matter no energy no space and no time”. So how can it be blown up?

Posted by jiminii (here)

that is a no change system up there ... so anyone tries to change it comes here .. artist genius engineers .. managers ... criminals ... perverts .. degrade beings ..(like bums) .. anything unwanted gets dumped here .. and especially the big beings because their power is so much that they can be the only ones that can stop them .....

What is a no change system? Which part of a galaxy/universe are we talking about? Who makes the rules?

Posted by jiminii (here)

it is more complicated than that ... 50,000 years ago the most powerful got together and admitted they were losing .. more and more of them were being trapped and if all of them would be trapped there would be no one left that would be able to free anyone .. everyone would be trapped ... and enslaved ... so they are the ones that have been creating the technology ...
so they hide themselves in a time portal somewhere where no one would find them and started their work on finding ways to undo what has been done to get us to this point of time in such a mess ... so they are the ones that trapped all the remaining jedi .. or big beings .. because the big beings would be the only ones that could stop them and their plan. so the empire won the war not the most powerful ...so we could hide ourselves and design a way to get everyone out of this mess we are in . so we set it up so the governments would do this ... and this would put the entire galaxy at risk ... they need us but they are also afraid of us ... you invite someone to a party and get them all happy watching the show and all the beautiful creations so they are off their guard and then hit them with all the electronics ... put some kind of fluid in their bodies that will trap the spirit and then put them in ice cubes and dump them in the oceans on this planet ... with all kinds of implant machines and force fields around the planet ...

So they (the losing side of thetans) created a technology to trap the remaining powerful thetans from their side of the conflict on this planet with the intention to wake them up later so they could get all the rest out of the trap? Is that correct? How are they planning on waking them up?
You mentioned governments. What role do they play?

Posted by jiminii (here)

if this were true than a touch assist wouldn't work ... means .. get a bad cut on your hand and get in the exact same position and put the knife at the exact place you cut the hand and touch it until all the pain is gone .. and the hand is totally healed ... but not healed ... the creation of the cut is vanished ... so the cut never happened ...

So you cut your hand accidentally and then recreated the scenario without actually cutting yourself again? Did you have to visualise anything while touching your cut with the knife or just go through the motions? Have you tried this technique more than once?

Posted by jiminii (here)

by coming back to this period of time we subconsciously are putting their attention here and everyone else's attention here at the same time ... they may not know it in the future ... but they can sense it and be here trying to stop what you're doing ... this 76 trillion years is this way the last 76 trillion was magic we could go to the future and stop and wait for the enemy to show up and zap them all out ...

Could you explain that please?

Thank you so much!

Love,
Dila