Steven Greer's core team has apparently left him (long report by Alfred Webre)

[ulli]

Years ago I came across a leaked document in which there was talk of a plan to acclimatize humanity gradually, similar to the sci-fi novel Childhood's End by Arthur C. Clarke.
This came supposedly from a white hat Cabal insider. The document was called Omega File. I never saw it again, no matter how much I searched. There were five installments, in which different stages of the plan were elaborated. I believe it was around 1997 or 1998.
It outlined how ETs had instructed our shadow government leaders to bring about a world super state, so that humanity could then be properly represented by elected councils when meeting with members and visitors from the space community.
I recall reading then that the rogue element of " bad" ET was very small...like less than 5%.
It was apparently customary to initiate contact with any civilization that had figured out both space travel as well as nuclear weapons.

[CdnSirian]

Ulli is it this? http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/es...opol_omega.htm

[Fractalius]

In these scenarios, I like to keep my real analysis to myself most of the time so as not to let those reading gain information for the discussion group. I am certain others are like that too. So really the focus group is misleading to those thinking they are gaining an insight to reaction.

By this, I include the times in which we make posts that outline ones stance. But we all know how it is impossible to outline all the intricacies of a stance. All the contradictions and exceptions.

To look at our responses here and think that is the entirety of our consciousness is naive, though I doubt they believe that anyhow.

But the rub is. We know we are doing it too.

[WEAREONE]

I posted a link that showed two colliding galaxies via hubble. It seemed appropriate at first, but then seemed off topic.


For me the sticking point on Greer is his insistence on all E.T. phenomenon is benign....For me that is a deal breaker in regards to his honesty, integrity, believability etc.. It seems to me that Greer is not acting alone. Perhaps we can focus more on who we think Greer might be in cohorts with. He in my opinion is a puppet, the Ego discussion is a wate of time, puppets are manipulated. Whatever Ego discussion we percieve is IMO off topic

The true benefit in our discussion on Greer is who is manipulating the puppet??

[Fractalius]

One further post to continue.

I have only ever superficially taken notice of the disclosure project, Greer, or pretty much any of the UFO and alien fields.

I am quite happy letting all the fuzzy logic and predictable contradictions and fantasies roll out and settle.

I just sit back and watch, not remotely caring what the outcome of the words on papers and screens are.

I wait and watch for actual real things to happen and prepare for any outcome.

To think any intelligence gathering project would try to extract info from here is quite absurd really, because then it would be us leading them astray, they can't seriously think we aren't playing them too.

[ulli]

Posted by CdnSirian (here)
Ulli is it this? http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/es...opol_omega.htm

No, quite different. It was written in five chapters by a woman who's lover was a top level cabal and who had confessed the plan to her. There was no way of verifying it other than my intuition bells went off. It made perfect sense.

[Team Zen]

My question is, has Greer' personality always been as it is said to be now? What was he like when he was "just a doctor," before he began his research into ETs and embarking on the Disclosure Project? I do not have nearly enough information to make any informed opinion on what's happening here, but from all the bits and bobs I've been ingesting from Dr. Greer himself, his trajectory, and what others have pontificated, I wonder the following: Did he always claim all ETs are benevolent? Did he always have the traits of a sociopath? Because from what people are saying, these qualities he is displaying fit that definition...and isn't that also reflective of reptilian qualities?

Perhaps he was genuinely onto the truth of the matter, then his knowledge and sharing of it became too dangerous, so "they" gave him and his friends/colleagues cancer (weren't there 2 others in addition to him, one a very close friend?). Perhaps after surviving the cancer "they" had to try another tactic, which was to invade his brain or switch out his soul or something. So, at some point Dr. Greer was no longer Dr. Greer- I propose this possibility after reading the material from the Horus-Ra thread. And so now he's being used to promote the dark side's agenda?

Also, did he get to be so buff after the bout with cancer? Perhaps he got on a crazy health kick and then got "addicted" to body building? Like others on this thread have asked, what kind of drugs has he been purported to be using? Of course a natural assumption would be steroids, look at the guy- and, following from that, we know that steroids can tweak someone's personality significantly and generate many of the negative traits he supposedly has...

Furthermore, in response to those "poo-pooing" the different responses/projections regarding this thread, I thinks it's natural for those of us who are into this sort of stuff to try and put the pieces together and air out our thoughts and opinions here- isn't that what this forum is for, at least in part? Where else could I talk about this- this stuff interests me, it is important to me, and this is the best place to present my questions, ideas and opinions- after all these years of keeping it all to myself, because there is no one in my surroundings who would take any of this seriously, I am so happy to have found this forum and other individuals who involve themselves with these sorts of pertinent issues. I find it to be a wonderful exercise in keeping the heart, mind and soul open and evolving.

Much gratitude and appreciation to all fellow Avalonians! Now who can fill me in?

[jaybee]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by jaybee (here)

Posted by bogeyman (here)
Dr Greer could of been a plant or used unknowingly by those that wish to suppress or ridicule the subject,

It is clear that a serious attempt to suppress and ridicule Greer is in progress.

And on top of that...his life could be more in danger with the theft and disclosing of the Dead Man's Trigger document.

I'm sure the implications of it's release aren't lost on Greer.

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Dear jaybee --

Thanks for all your posts. It is clear that you are sincere and do not want to believe any of the claims about Greer's activities (only a small proportion of which have been made public). I can totally understand that -- really.

Thanks for understanding that I am sincere, I really appreciate that.

But I ask you to meditate on this statement, from this post by Todd Hathaway himself: (And believe me, he knows of what he speaks.)

Most of you would cringe if you knew everything Bill Ryan and others know about Greer.

As I said earlier on this thread, supposing the claims are correct? Are you really sure that they are not? Are you just hoping that it's nonsense?

Todd Hathaway has only just come to my attention with what Greer has said in his Dead Man's Trigger document....and his part in the latest accusations against Greer.

(although having had another read of it...it seems that it was originally an audiotape with supporting documents....page 31

http://exopolitics.blogs.com/files/s...ns.trigger.pdf)


You obviously trust Hathaway....but someone looking on from the outside of the whole thing might wonder if he is someone who has ingratiated himself into the
Alternative/Advanced energy community....to keep tabs on what everyone is up to
and control the potential disclosure of any working energy device, not approved
for release by the military and defence. And now to to give Greer a good old public kicking. (or worse)

A question I'm asking myself is why would Greer put lies in a Dead Man's Trigger release? What would be the point of that? Greer most certainly does not trust Hathaway....

A search using the words Todd Hathaway, intelligence, pentagon quickly turned up this...


http://www.scribd.com/doc/9863654/Aff-Military (see page 29)

I just skimmed through it and it is a good job it wasn't written in the tiny tiny writing or I would never have spotted it...

Then a search of 'Green Hawks'...pulled this up with the same quote..

http://thewip.net/contributors/2008/...ntagon_th.html

The Department of Defense is therefore investing an estimated $500-$600 million dollars on research and development of solar, wave, biomass and wind energy, as well as conventional green energy sources. A new law demanding better energy efficiency has been passed, so by 2025 the Army will have to take a quarter of its energy from renewable sources. But that is far too little, far too late, say hawks like Todd Hathaway, a major in the Army who is writing his PhD thesis on nuclear science, focusing on new environmentally friendly technology.

“We can’t afford to not fix this now, and that can only be done with cutting-edge technology,” says the fast-paced 36-year-old outside the Pentagon, whose front boasts a vast field of solar cells.

“Unfortunately there is a strong resistance against new technology from the multi-billion industry for established green energy. We – inventors, scientists, retired Army people and professors – have to invest our own money to get the projects going. This is serious, as these are the kind of technologies that will make this planet survive.”

I went to Todd Hathaway's post on this thread and one of the links he gives on it is.

http://www.commutefaster.com/EnergyArchive2009.html


And there you are, Bill....on the left hand side...included is the audio you had with
Hathaway...back in 2009.



http://www.commutefaster.com/audio/P...elot-compr.mp3


I listened to it to get a feel for what's going on with all this....

and on the subject of ETs..
A bit past 1/2 of the way through (nearly 3/4) he says he prefers to interact with archangels or angels...but they are working together with ETs and are here to help.
(something like that anyway..without giving an actual quote.)

Greer gets a real hard time for believing and declaring that 'ET's' are all benevolent..

But the concept of archangels/angels working with ETs, here to help humanity sound pretty benevolent to me....lol


This post is a bit tricky for me, Bill...because it's your forum and I don't want to really annoy you...or go against you. But I want to be honest as well.


I have to ask myself the question...Is Todd Hathaway leading everyone a merry dance....while actually working for Military Intelligence.

Sorry Major Todd Hathaway...but you have put yourself in the limelight.



mmmmmm to post or not to post......

sod it, lol.....submit reply.


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[jaybee]

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I'm feeling paranoid, right now...gulp. This subject is not healthy. An absolute minefield...

[araucaria]

Our friend Todd Hathaway’s previous handles on this forum were kk4aei and psci: see also http://panacea-bocaf.org/toddhathaway.htm

The following may be of help in understanding Bill and others’ dilemma in dealing with the case of Steven Greer. The idea of a leader being a traitor to his own cause is nothing new to reader’s of Borges’s Labyrinths, and notably the story ‘Theme of the Traitor and Hero’ – p.76 http://ebookbrowse.com/gdoc.php?id=3...1f7b6d42a7110e

The story tells of the investigation by one… Ryan into the mysterious circumstances of the death of the rebel leader Kilpatrick on the cusp of victory for his cause. It turns out all previous attempts at revolt had been thwarted at the last moment by the actions of a traitor, who is discovered to be the leader himself. To the extent that there is honour in treachery, Kilpatrick accepts his fate of death provided it is used as an instrument to serve the cause rather than defeat it.

It was then that Nolan conceived his strange scheme. Ireland idolized Kilpatrick; the most tenuous suspicion of his infamy would have jeopardized the revolt; Nolan proposed a plan which made of the traitor's execution an instrument for the country's emancipation. He suggested that the condemned man die at the hands of an unknown assassin in deliberately dramatic circumstances which would remain engraved in the imagination of the people and would hasten the revolt. Kilpatrick swore he would take part in the scheme, which gave him the occasion to redeem himself and for which his death would provide the final flourish.

The solution then is a Festspiele or theatrical performance on the largest scale, with many people acting small or not so small parts – what we would now call a false-flag Boston bombing-type operation.

Borges’s story is no more than a brilliant piece of fiction. However, there may be a germ of an idea in there for a practical face-saving operation leading to the jeopardized positive outcome.

[eaglespirit]

The "limelight" is about to penetrate all human factions and interactions of life on earth and elsewhere, as we are about to experience something of a revelation...EVERYONE will be exposed for what they are and are not, we are truly being cleansed by the purest waters that have ever flowed our way, imho.
All of the verbal diatribe of wasted energy is dissolving... the new earth will not tolerate it and EVERYONE must simply change and turn from their dishonest and deceitful doings at EVERY level or they will BE the limelight by default...all bets are off in any of their worlds of deception!

[jaybee]

Posted by araucaria (here)
Our friend Todd Hathaway’s previous handles on this forum were kk4aei and psci: see also http://panacea-bocaf.org/toddhathaway.htm

I saw that link earlier today and wanted to watch the video at the end....but it's not there any more....

Lecture given by Todd Hathaway October 4, 2006 on Eddie Sines Liquid Nitrogen cooled YBCO coated quartz crystal super conductor alternative free energy generator.

[araucaria]

Posted by jaybee (here)

Posted by araucaria (here)
Our friend Todd Hathaway’s previous handles on this forum were kk4aei and psci: see also http://panacea-bocaf.org/toddhathaway.htm

I saw that link earlier today and wanted to watch the video at the end....but it's not there any more....

Lecture given by Todd Hathaway October 4, 2006 on Eddie Sines Liquid Nitrogen cooled YBCO coated quartz crystal super conductor alternative free energy generator.

I don't know, but it might just be here on Avalon, if you search his previous screen names.

[bruno dante]

Bill, (or anyone, really)

A simple question (and maybe a naïve one): Why would Greer be lying about E.T.'s? (they're all benevolent etc...) Who gains? And how?

[karelia]

Posted by bruno dante (here)
Bill, (or anyone, really)

A simple question (and maybe a naïve one): Why would Greer be lying about E.T.'s? (they're all benevolent etc...) Who gains? And how?

Imagine this scenario: an ET race is planning to take over our planet completely. Up until then, they have a front do all the work for them, such as preparing the people on it in the most subtle of ways. If people are led to believe that all ETs are benevolent, they won't be alarmed if the ETs suddenly turn up. But imagine the shock when they find out that these ETs aren't benevolent at all.

To make such an outrageous claim as Greer does is like saying all human beings are murderers, or all human beings are greedy. Or one size fits all which is pretty much exactly what the governments in the world are trying to make us believe...

[norman]

If all I was doing was plotting data, I'd suggest we are definitely being taken over by an ET race.

We are not even frogs in a slowly warming pan of water.

Look at the history of technology over the last 1,000 years. In the last 70 years it's done some astonishing things and had astonishing effects.

So what's the deal ?

Suppose the deal is that the so called breakaway human race 2 have negotiated an escape from the new earth future ( probably a slave humanity ) in exchange for their cooperation in the program to update the systems to a slave controlling system.

I don't know !

I just look at the data and wonder what the hell is going on.

[jaybee]

Posted by araucaria (here)

Posted by jaybee (here)

Posted by araucaria (here)
Our friend Todd Hathaway’s previous handles on this forum were kk4aei and psci: see also http://panacea-bocaf.org/toddhathaway.htm

I saw that link earlier today and wanted to watch the video at the end....but it's not there any more....

Lecture given by Todd Hathaway October 4, 2006 on Eddie Sines Liquid Nitrogen cooled YBCO coated quartz crystal super conductor alternative free energy generator.

I don't know, but it might just be here on Avalon, if you search his previous screen names.

I had a look but retired members aren't on the list. But...if you do a general internet
search of, say 'KK4aei avalon' or 'psci avalon' you get linked to some of the posts.

But I didn't really expect to find that video here as it was removed from that link you gave.


It was a stroke of luck when I stumbled on this video....which is of Todd Hathaway listening to Pete Sumaruck going on and on and on about the 'stolen experimental car and trailer'....

It's pretty amusing in a way because Todd looks pissed off and bored with that Pete guy...but maybe he just had to put up with him...

http://vimeo.com/15615635


It was Pete Sumaruck who was also named in the 'Dead Man's Trigger' piece...as being in cahoots with TH... page 2 + 3

http://exopolitics.blogs.com/files/s...ns.trigger.pdf

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[bruno dante]

Posted by karelia (here)

Posted by bruno dante (here)
Bill, (or anyone, really)

A simple question (and maybe a naïve one): Why would Greer be lying about E.T.'s? (they're all benevolent etc...) Who gains? And how?

Imagine this scenario: an ET race is planning to take over our planet completely. Up until then, they have a front do all the work for them, such as preparing the people on it in the most subtle of ways. If people are led to believe that all ETs are benevolent, they won't be alarmed if the ETs suddenly turn up. But imagine the shock when they find out that these ETs aren't benevolent at all.

To make such an outrageous claim as Greer does is like saying all human beings are murderers, or all human beings are greedy. Or one size fits all which is pretty much exactly what the governments in the world are trying to make us believe...

I thought of that (and thanks for the response by the way), and I've heard others say something similar but - and I don't know about you - regardless of what the government tells me about ufo's, whether good or bad, I am going to be shocked as sh!t when that mother ship breaks through the clouds. Slightly less alarmed, maybe, if I'm led to believe they are benevolent, but still pretty damn alarmed and likely psychically traumatized.

And with the technology possessed, does ET really need the people to be prepared in order to take over the planet?

I dunno. I'm just thinking out loud. You may be right, but I suspect there's a little more there.

[karelia]

Posted by bruno dante (here)
I thought of that (and thanks for the response by the way), and I've heard others say something similar but - and I don't know about you - regardless of what the government tells me about ufo's, whether good or bad, I am going to be shocked as sh!t when that mother ship breaks through the clouds. Slightly less alarmed, maybe, if I'm led to believe they are benevolent, but still pretty damn alarmed and likely psychically traumatized.

Well... I suppose each of us may react differently to an actual mass showing of ships. Personally, I've been expecting them for a long time. But, as Alex Collier and others stress, the first showing won't be a benevolent race, and whilst I take such a statement with a grain of salt, given what the governments here say and do, I won't be surprised if the baddies show up first. There is enough documentation out there that very strongly suggests that an ET race is wreaking havoc with us, both through black-ops projects and alone.

And with the technology possessed, does ET really need the people to be prepared in order to take over the planet?

See, to me, technology is the key. If an ET race abuses technology (by abuse I mean to use it purely for their own agenda of control, regardless of the damage they do to a human being either physically or to their psyche), they are not benevolent, no matter what excuses they (might) use. Benevolent beings will NEVER trick you into doing something you don't want to do, they will never hurt you, and they will never do anything without your consent. You said above that you would be very alarmed and likely traumatised if ETs showed up. But what the negative ones want is to be seen as saviours. At least that's my suspicion. So there is no real space for the "we don't give a damn if they're prepared or not" scenario. They are tricksters, and they are highly skilled at it. They also have egos the size of the sun or bigger. Being seen by the masses as gods is very attractive to them.

I dunno. I'm just thinking out loud. You may be right, but I suspect there's a little more there.

Thinking out loud is good. I see it as one of the strengths here in Avalon. And I'm sure you're right in that there is more there. Maybe others will come forward and add pieces of the puzzle.

[mojo]

Why would Greer be lying about E.T.'s? (they're all benevolent etc...) Who gains? And how?

From the first disclosure hearing until today Greer has been fearful of tptb's desire to weaponize space. He was concerned that we would get caught up in the duality of an 'us' vs 'them' scenario in order to create an outside enemy in order to protect us. Perhaps this may be the reason for his stance and it was to late to change his position during the interview and if so, it would default to the duality conclusion.

It would be great for Dr Greer to answer the accusations to determine the validity of the claims against him and I feel that he will eventually answer them. Hopefully he will discover the thread or someone will share it for him to respond. But Greer is not the end all for the disclosure movement and it already is and has happened and there is enough evidence to prove a case in court. Any blockage to open disclosure is not coming from him and maybe this is where energies should focus?