Seriously: Are We Winning Or Losing? Why?...

[skippy]

We're all in the same boat. It's not about winning or losing in my opinion. The thing I can and will keep doing, is to speak my truth, to stand tall when things get worse, to defend human dignity and to help my fellowman. For the rest, que sera, sera.

[Camilo]

My perspective: In looking at the big picture, no one is here to loose or win anything what so ever, we all (what we perceive as the good guys and the bad guys) are here to learn and grow, to expand our consciousness and awareness, til we reach the point where we can see that we're all one, so we respect one another, and honor and include everyone's point of view and perspective, and learn to live in peace and harmony, so we can engage with the next level of awareness.

[Bubu]

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
In a bigger picture, as long as someone is losing, everyone is.

This is the spirit in which this question is being asked.

It's not the individual response of what an individual is doing (or not) nor what "we" should all be doing (or not) that I was looking for. We actually have quite a few threads on that.

If you remember my big picture thread same thing happened, Looking inside individualistic reply. And this is supposed be in a room full of awake people.

Posted by TargeT (here)
I would say, based on history; we need a disaster. A disaster significant enough to reach the "100th

I agree with TargeT in fact I have been wanting for that event to happen for at least fifteen years now just by observing the unreasonable behavior of people and without even knowing these things to exist.

To answer your question I think we are going to win. NWO is being played ever since but is hopelessly behind schedule. If they are in total control then they do not have to do covert operations or draw strategy to carry out what they want. They would simply give orders. In order to understand we have to look at the grand agenda. Is it money? It's not, not even gold. They knew that these are useless piece of material. The grand agenda is to have as many slaves and natural resources in order for them to carry out their lust. Vacation to mars etc. I think most people are not aware of the simple grand agenda thus they go about shooting from everywhere to everywhere.

"So above is below" The idea to control the people by controlling the leaders apply to this. In order to control the whole world they need to control first the leading nation , and that is America. However, The land of the patriots have unexpectedly awaken before they are able to use it to carry out their NWO agenda. Thus now the plan is kill that nation and render it powerless to oppose them while they are transferring their base operation elsewhere. Middle east perhaps or maybe china I do not have the slightest idea but that is the agenda as far as I can see.

There is also a clear change in the strategy of how to control the individual. While before they prefer to use the reward system, new tech lust, now they are into total control of the basic necessities such as water, air, plants; everything a man need in order to bring about obedience.

I think hey have now reach the panic stage where they have to carry out or not because an unprecedented awakening ensued. Thus they are now more prone to committing mistakes. The more we press on spreading the knowledge the more it will rattle them. They are not that genius I will say they are of the same level with us intellectually only that they started with a considerable advance from us, but as you can see; their butt is visible to us now .We are catching up and fast.

Let me tell you how I play out this game

When I was young I was an avid fan of soccer football and basketball. Whenever an argument ensued, which is many in a single game because there are no referees, I simply wait it out in one corner while others fought furiously to win the argument in order to gain advantage on the race to the bet.
Although I play the game seriously, winning was never an objective but rather the excitement of it.
To say that it is not my game is to lose the opportunity to play the game.
Well I guessed some would be content to be just expectator. But reality check when a butt is talented enough to be in a team, he is most certainly in the game.
Play the game and try to gain the most excitement; forget the bet.

[Another1]

A long time ago on a forum far away when the internet was still a baby to common folk, there was a group who met up online that were living in a new world.

They were from all over the US and Canada, playing and sharing like children, spontaniosly discovering abilities. They were sharing dreams, telepathy, bi-location, experience and their hearts. It was innocent and real. There was not a 'leader' - They came from varied religions and backgrounds with people calling themself a witch just as welcome as someone calling themself a Christian or a wildcard like moi.

In my little mind, we had won. We were in a new place experiencing a new reality and the internet had allowed us to meet family from around the country that we might never have know about otherwise.

One day, as several of us were conversing with a friend who had been beaten and raped, a creature came in and announced we were nothing but a bunch of deluded children enabling this victim with daddy issues to milk us for a pity party, and the war began anew.

When this creature was done with our warm little group, there was nothing left but me with WTF? firmly planted in my heart and a few private messages from people thanking me for trying to help. 'They' won that one. Whoever/whatever the hell they are.

As an aside, this creature was an author pushing a ground breaking book on the Multi-Verse. Kinda funny. Teach people there are multiverses but that their particular choice of verse is stupid and should be destroyed.

This whole movie played out a second time in a chat room I tried to play in. This time more of the online experience filtered into 3D realms. We're dancing under the stars like children, sharing what we've learned. Their were seers, herbalists and healers of every ilk sharing freely. One animal communicator was so spot on that humane societies around the country had her phone number things reached a point where she couldn't handle the phone calls anymore.

In my little mind, we had won, we were sharing the prize with our family all over the world and bringing it into 3D this time.

Then the creatures arrived and started in .... kept explaining how childish we were caught up in some 'called it some kinda fluffy bunny syndrome' - fights were common, using the phrase 'Thank God' in a sentence could get a person stalked till they just stopped visiting all together.

Many insisted that if we weren't all pissed off about the world we were sell-outs ... whatever, anything and everything to break the peace ... until eventually there was few left but the masters with multiple personalities all logged in at once talking to themselves. 'They' won that one. Whoever/whatever the hell they are.

I used examples involving groups of people to keep this from being about me but on a personal level I could give examples that only someone who could feel my heart would know are true.

Since 1986, no matter how much I ever tried to philosophize it away or imagine it does not exist, I have personally witnessed and endured something that simply does not want peace. (period) it will use every resource at its disposal to achieve its goal.

If we are fighting, arguing, crafting personal insults into carefully worded posts, then 'They' are winning what they want, lack of peace.
I think it is a painful energy to them?

[naste.de.lumina]

Someone needs to do the hard work so they can enjoy their travel plans to Mars or whatever. So they can not just get rid of us.
What cabal dilemma now?
Plans are being exposed, that is a fact.
As much as there has been misinformation and retaliation, every day more people are becoming aware, small pieces of discontent that lead them to find more and more people and information.
They have no way of controlling the world's population, but also can not openly wiping out a significant number of people.
This would lead to more people awaken, which consequently put pressure even more.
It's a snowball growing. And the bigger it gets, the higher the pressure, thus trying to eliminate this pressure, mistakes are made and exposure creates new pressure wave.
The sign of desperation is to see how they are addressing their contradictions with explicit authoritarianism. Are losing the effect more subtle tactics
Despite the general situation seems to be getting worse from our point of view, it is not true. This reality was already so just this being exposed as it really is. And this is a big win in my way of understanding, because that will allow many more people than previously and unconsciously give support cabal, switch sides in a heartbeat.
These are times that we are living is memorable and I would not want to be anywhere else but here on earth to be part of this unique event.
Confidence and peace my friends.

[Camilo]

Another way to look at it could be: Without us, there is no them, but without them there is us, so we win.

[Mike]

Posted by Cerridwen (here)
I think tapping into our true natures of what we really are is the only way to live here in this place. I can’t be bothered by every little piece of news about what ‘they’ are doing today. Like Borden said, they’re just behaving in the manner that they’re bred to be. It’s like getting upset for a mosquito bitting you. What good does that do you? If you don’t want to be mosquito food, you have choices to not be...or you can just sit there and whine loudly after being bit over and over again, while scratching at the all of the red bumps.

For me, the winning vs losing is purely personal and I’m winning. It’s true, there are days here and there when I have a set back or two, but I can see my world evermore clearly each day. I’m growing and becoming what I was meant to be. If I stop and start worrying about everyone around me, I just get too depressed. I’m all for helping and supporting others who are on the same journey, but I won’t be caught up and brought back down by individuals who aren’t on my same path. I’m not a crab to be pulled back down into the barrel by the other crabs. I can see that the the top has been left open and I’ve made a break for it.

I believe that by focusing on winning in our personal lives, it will piss ‘them’ off. I believe that they’re dependent on using fear and intimidation just like all bullies are. Take that away from them and they become powerless. They only have the power over us that we give to them. I’m done being food.

spot on there i'm with you entirely, but I can't help but think that this represents a comprehensive step 1, that those who get their sh!t together in their personal lives have a responsibility to unite with other people who have gotten their sh!t together in theirs, and then...then...well this is where I falter. I don't know what the next move is.

there seems to be 2 factions to this argument: those that feel they have an obligation mainly to themselves, and those who want to run around converting mankind into what I call "alt. activists". there's a delicate balance somewhere in there but i'm way too tired to untangle it at the moment. first there is an obligation to the self, sure, but there is also an obligation mankind at large. I do not yet know what that obligation is or how far it reaches, I just know it exists.

I honestly do not have too much hope for the earth or its inhabitants, but it's no excuse to give up on them. i wish it was - i'm really lazy. it's tough to keep the faith. i'll sometimes stand in the beer aisle of my local grocery store, watching my fellow man out of the corner of my eye, quietly rooting for him to make a wise choice and restore my waning faith in humanity...but all too often he'll walk off with a 'natural ice' or a 'bud light', and i'm left wondering how on earth he could have possibly walked off with such sh!t while in the midst of what is a rich, wonderful collection of imports and domestics (it's a nice grocery store). i'm not trying to be cute or funny or metaphorical here - i really mean it! sure, it may seem like a silly micro experience, and maybe it is...but it's one of a thousand i see on a daily basis, and they add up. if this makes me sound like i think i'm superior in one way or another, it's because i do.

p.s. Heart to Hearth, it appears your caplock key is stuck.

[skippy]

Posted by Chinaski (here)
I honestly do not have too much hope for the earth or its inhabitants, but it's no excuse to give up on them.

As long as we stand and speak out, the universe will not give up on us. And if so, so that we will not die a meaningless death in the face of an absent God, justice, truth, oneness (fill in what you like..)

[PurpleLama]

One makes their own peace. There is no other way. Welcome to the Purple Pill, upon which is inscribed, DGAF.

[Fred Steeves]

Posted by Chinaski (here)
it's tough to keep the faith. i'll sometimes stand in the beer aisle of my local grocery store, watching my fellow man out of the corner of my eye, quietly rooting for him to make a wise choice and restore my waning faith in humanity...but all too often he'll walk off with a 'natural ice' or a 'bud light', and i'm left wondering how on earth he could have possibly walked off with such sh!t while in the midst of what is a rich, wonderful collection of imports and domestics (it's a nice grocery store).

Damn!!! I didn't think anyone was watching...

Here's a Hofbrauhaus toast to ya then Mike.

[PurpleLama]

Posted by CurtisW (here)

It's part of a larger counterfeit operation, and is an effort, I think, to replace our real swords for cardboard ones.

Mine is a counterfeit, but one made of steel....

[Mike]

Posted by Fred Steeves (here)

Posted by Chinaski (here)
it's tough to keep the faith. i'll sometimes stand in the beer aisle of my local grocery store, watching my fellow man out of the corner of my eye, quietly rooting for him to make a wise choice and restore my waning faith in humanity...but all too often he'll walk off with a 'natural ice' or a 'bud light', and i'm left wondering how on earth he could have possibly walked off with such sh!t while in the midst of what is a rich, wonderful collection of imports and domestics (it's a nice grocery store).

Damn!!! I didn't think anyone was watching...

Here's a Hofbrauhaus toast to ya then Mike.

please refer to your profile page, Fred. ive just unfriended you ( wait a second, are we even "friends"?)

[blufire]

Duality. . .

It is our constant friend and enemy.

If I had one wish, it would be to have all Duality removed from our minds, hearts and souls for even just a day.

Everyday when I quickly go through the threads, tears often spring to my eyes and my heart hurts because of the effect of our Dualistic Nature.

Without our ever conflicting dual nature there are no winners or losers.

Without our conflicting dual nature there are no good guys or bad guys.

We . . .all of us . . are just as responsible for everything ‘good’ and everything ‘bad’ that is happening on this planet. . . . all of us.

If I could have that one wish for Duality to be removed from our minds, hearts and souls for even one day.

Then I know you could see what I now see.

We will be a United Planet within the next 50+ years.

But, to get there means all that keeps us divided, separated, alienated, misunderstood has to be removed . . . it has to be vanquished first from this planet before all of humanity can Unite as one strong alliance.

That means all religion, governments, financial structures, social hierarchy, strong opposing cultural traits . . . . . gone

These things are so ingrained within humanity and our duality that it takes what we are seeing now . . . right now everyday for these things to be obliterated. And it will take even harsher and stronger actions for this change to take place.

There are many on Avalon who have always and especially now view me as a mouth piece or lover of what is called the elite, cabal. I have become a hated enemy. And that’s okay.

Dennis your powerful story of the African children says it all.

UBUNTU in the Xhosa culture means: “I am because we are”.

For all of us to benefit from the basket of fruit (United Planet) that means we all hold hands and move forward together toward that goal and Destiny.

And this means we reach a hand to those we view of the enemy or the ones that we feel keep us divided, separated alienated . . . the ones who are hated.

Remove Duality in all things.

Look deeper on why the elite/cabal/hated ones are doing what they are doing.

Remove the pretext and duality that they want to enslave, murder, control, take all the wealth etc . . .

Look with unclouded heart, minds and souls at what is happening not only around our planet but what is happening in our solar system. Our planet is not alone in these natural extreme chaotic events.

Think hard and deep with unclouded hearts, souls and minds . . . remove your dualistic nature and desires . . . . .

If you had the responsibility to save humanity from a near ELE or if it was your responsibility to bring humanity into the future where all things that keep us divided and separated were dissolved what would this look like . . . what would have to be done?

And remember the ones that are hated and reviled and that you see as the enemy (cabal, elite) are human too . . . no more no less. Human . . . as much as any one soul on this planet.

Who is winning and who is losing?

That depends on what you want your future to be and the future for the many generations after us. That depends if all of us . . . those we view as good guys and bad guys reach out a hand and have only in mind that instead of only the good guys get the fruit . . . . . We All Do.

I Am Because We (all of humanity) Are.

Look deeper with duality removed with what is truly happening to all on this planet who Are.

[naste.de.lumina]

Posted by blufire (here)
Duality. . .

It is our constant friend and enemy.

If I had one wish, it would be to have all Duality removed from our minds, hearts and souls for even just a day.

Everyday when I quickly go through the threads, tears often spring to my eyes and my heart hurts because of the effect of our Dualistic Nature.

Without our ever conflicting dual nature there are no winners or losers.

Without our conflicting dual nature there are no good guys or bad guys.

We . . .all of us . . are just as responsible for everything ‘good’ and everything ‘bad’ that is happening on this planet. . . . all of us.

If I could have that one wish for Duality to be removed from our minds, hearts and souls for even one day.

Then I know you could see what I now see.

We will be a United Planet within the next 50+ years.

But, to get there means all that keeps us divided, separated, alienated, misunderstood has to be removed . . . it has to be vanquished first from this planet before all of humanity can Unite as one strong alliance.

That means all religion, governments, financial structures, social hierarchy, strong opposing cultural traits . . . . . gone

These things are so ingrained within humanity and our duality that it takes what we are seeing now . . . right now everyday for these things to be obliterated. And it will take even harsher and stronger actions for this change to take place.

There are many on Avalon who have always and especially now view me as a mouth piece or lover of what is called the elite, cabal. I have become a hated enemy. And that’s okay.

Dennis your powerful story of the African children says it all.

UBUNTU in the Xhosa culture means: “I am because we are”.

For all of us to benefit from the basket of fruit (United Planet) that means we all hold hands and move forward together toward that goal and Destiny.

And this means we reach a hand to those we view of the enemy or the ones that we feel keep us divided, separated alienated . . . the ones who are hated.

Remove Duality in all things.

Look deeper on why the elite/cabal/hated ones are doing what they are doing.

Remove the pretext and duality that they want to enslave, murder, control, take all the wealth etc . . .

Look with unclouded heart, minds and souls at what is happening not only around our planet but what is happening in our solar system. Our planet is not alone in these natural extreme chaotic events.

Think hard and deep with unclouded hearts, souls and minds . . . remove your dualistic nature and desires . . . . .

If you had the responsibility to save humanity from a near ELE or if it was your responsibility to bring humanity into the future where all things that keep us divided and separated were dissolved what would this look like . . . what would have to be done?

And remember the ones that are hated and reviled and that you see as the enemy (cabal, elite) are human too . . . no more no less. Human . . . as much as any one soul on this planet.

Who is winning and who is losing?

That depends on what you want your future to be and the future for the many generations after us. That depends if all of us . . . those we view as good guys and bad guys reach out a hand and have only in mind that instead of only the good guys get the fruit . . . . . We All Do.

I Am Because We (all of humanity) Are.

Look deeper with duality removed with what is truly happening to all on this planet who Are.

Blufire The difference between us is that you believe that the greater good will come of Kabbalah and she was elected to do the work necessary for the union of humanity, even if it means war is peace, health is disease, pain is happiness, love is fear.
And I believe the opposite of all this, war is not peace, disease is not health, pain is not happiness, love is not fear.
Yeah, about that my duality is immense.
Duality ........ I see a huge duality in what you say and what you feel.
Having knowledge that others do not have, maybe the right word is resignation.
But only an opinion, I could be completely wrong.

Be at peace.

[Bubu]

Duality ........ I see a huge duality in what you say and what you feel.

Internet troll? maybe just confused. No need to cry , go for a walk smell some flowers.

[Bubu]

"there seems to be 2 factions to this argument: those that feel they have an obligation mainly to themselves, and those who want to run around converting mankind into what I call "alt. activists". there's a delicate balance somewhere in there but i'm way too tired to untangle it at the moment. first there is an obligation to the self, sure, but there is also an obligation mankind at large. I do not yet know what that obligation is or how far it reaches, I just know it exists."

My obligation is to do good for all, up only to a point where I do not hurt myself. After all, I am one of all.

Play the game have fun.

[Bubu]

If we are fighting, arguing, crafting personal insults into carefully worded posts, then 'They' are winning what they want, lack of peace.

A big yes to that Another1. I was once stock on this however I resolve that people have different ways of putting thoughts to words. we come from diverse culture. So I have learned not to attach emotions to words.

[donk]

...Awww Reilly...is that Hatori Hanza?

You will be "duh...winning" like Charlie Sheen

I asked that of the guy at the Hibachi (sushi joint where they cook in front of you) chopping up my dinner...he was not amused (or missed Kill Bill)

[Nat_Lee]

Posted by Chinaski (here)
I honestly do not have too much hope for the earth or its inhabitants, but it's no excuse to give up on them. i wish it was - i'm really lazy. it's tough to keep the faith. i'll sometimes stand in the beer aisle of my local grocery store, watching my fellow man out of the corner of my eye, quietly rooting for him to make a wise choice and restore my waning faith in humanity...but all too often he'll walk off with a 'natural ice' or a 'bud light', and i'm left wondering how on earth he could have possibly walked off with such sh!t while in the midst of what is a rich, wonderful collection of imports and domestics (it's a nice grocery store). i'm not trying to be cute or funny or metaphorical here - i really mean it! sure, it may seem like a silly micro experience, and maybe it is...but it's one of a thousand i see on a daily basis, and they add up. if this makes me sound like i think i'm superior in one way or another, it's because i do.

I'm in alignment with what you say here Chinaski !

A lot of people are not aware of all the good and beautiful things around them... They seem to have Side Shields like horses .... And I'm sure if you give them, as a gift, a good and cold imported one, they will go home with a smile, appreciate the taste and gift but the next day, they will go back to get their old '' bud light '' ... it takes a while to change a person's habit !!! I think that if you are like you are, it is because you are ''Born this way'' .... (and I'm signing) lol.... Peace, ''Keep the faith'' (and I'm signing again) lol !

Avaloniens, you are AMASING !
Thank you all so much for everything !

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Chinaski (here)
I honestly do not have too much hope for the earth or its inhabitants, but it's no excuse to give up on them.

The way I did this likely buggered up quotes ... but .. I feel similar ... I look at humanity (maybe as an alien ... I try as a valid perspective), and think "OMG what hope is there for these stupid self centered monkeys?!". At the same time I see these monkey, under strain, turning into angels to help their brothers and sisters. My city just went through a major flood, we pull together, we do what is needed to fix things no matter how dire the situation seems. The "Elite" who have ill intentions are trying to use the "boil a frog in water" method ... if we can just notice this ... I have "hope" ... alright, too many of these "..."