Enlightenment and Male Vanity

[ulli]

Posted by Sierra (here)
Difficult subject, difficult thread.

It is hard to visualize what is not there, but desperately needed... I got so very upset on a tangent of this thread (it would have been a distraction to the main theme), that I had to write Ulli privately to vent my frustration and pain.

The progression I perceive as the goal to bring about support from men, to men, requires a baseline of where change is needed, and to establish that, one has to go into the pit of pain, and release the darkness generated by the old paradigm. I myself feel completely helpless to effect any change, except in myself. I cannot imagine growing up as a male in the American culture, where you are told things we never hear (misogny/military paradigm,to hate women, and kill men) by your authority figures and peers, that prepares you to kill, just as we are prepared to be helpless and silent.

I know it can be done, I know it will be done, I try not to think of the how, let go, and live in the result. Calling on all mommies to raise their sons as lovers, wise and kind. We are part of the problem/solution too, to contravene the patriarchal training in the young. I was raised by a feminist mother, grandmother, and my great grandmother filed for divorce the day it became legal (great grandfather suffered a head injury with a combine during harvesting and turned into a cruel, unkind person), and it still did my brother no good. Illuminati asshole he is.

I ramble. Ulli, thank you for your thread. Thunder, thank you for your post.

Love, Sierra

This post reminded me of the time I met the travel writer Jan Morris at my former in-laws' hotel.
Jan Morris had once been James Morris, and had fathered five children, and as a reporter for the Times of England had covered the Hilary /Tensing team Mount Everest expedition.

The sex change might have brought James/Jan Morris lasting happiness, but caused much perplexity to those who were not yet used to the idea of sex change operations, especially when they left the newly created female body with a daily 4 o'clock shadow of beard growth.
By coincidence I met someone around that time who lent me the book "Conundrum" an autobiographical account of this person's journey from male to female.
And this book shed much light on my own perplexity...what must it feel like to think as a woman but be in the body of an athletic male. Already at the age of 8 was James Morris praying to God to make him a girl.

The hardest part of life was when in a room with only men, and having to hear them boast, show off, threaten, put each other down, talk war talk, and generally be as obnoxious as can be, until a woman would walk in and the earlier conversation came to an abrupt halt.

So is all of that really the result of cultural programming?

[Sierra]

Posted by ulli (here)
The hardest part of life was when in a room with only men, and having to hear them boast, show off, threaten, put each other down, talk war talk, and generally be as obnoxious as can be, until a woman would walk in and the earlier conversation came to an abrupt halt.

So is all of that really the result of cultural programming?

Yes, the abrupt halt, this information/transmission/meme is not for women. I think so. I'm just guessing, based on what I see getting passed generation to generation, not to mention all the words in the language defined to belittle women, of which there is no equivalent for the male gender. I had to look up what turned out to be an insult towards gays, and Ulli, the list was long, same thing, the language itself reflects what is. So yes, I think men for the most part, are trained by example, and coaching. I don't know why though. I guess it is part of the institutional programming in religious/military terms to prepare men for killing, can't have them feeling soft loving feelings towards others.

Haven't you heard horror stories about other men from your husband? I also assume this is why fathers can get so rabid about their young daughters dating, they know better.

Omg Ulli, JamEs/Jan Morris was one of my favorite social historians, his Rule Britannica series on the rise and fall of the British Empire was brilliant.

Sierra

[turiya]

Posted by Sierra (here)

Posted by ulli (here)
The hardest part of life was when in a room with only men, and having to hear them boast, show off, threaten, put each other down, talk war talk, and generally be as obnoxious as can be, until a woman would walk in and the earlier conversation came to an abrupt halt.

So is all of that really the result of cultural programming?

Yes, the abrupt halt, this information/transmission/meme is not for women. I think so. I'm just guessing, based on what I see getting passed generation to generation, not to mention all the words in the language defined to belittle women, of which there is no equivalent for the male gender. I had to look up what turned out to be an insult towards gays, and Ulli, the list was long, same thing, the language itself reflects what is. So yes, I think men for the most part, are trained by example, and coaching. I don't know why though. I guess it is part of the institutional programming in religious/military terms to prepare men for killing, can't have them feeling soft loving feelings towards others.

Sierra

Consider the very possibility of bringing so many men to a complete halt! This only reveals the immense power that women can have over men.

Men are also quite fearful & insecure, as most everyone is. Confidence, or the lack thereof, is established at a very early age. It comes out of childhood & how one was brought up/raised. Behavior patterns, engrams, are learned at a young age. Its has a generational aspect to it as well.

But the most significant thing that can be overlooked is that men are incapable of birthing a child. This in itself shows the shear power that women hold over men. A woman gave birth to each man. And every man knows this, feels inept in comparison to what a woman can do - create life. Man can't do it - and, he knows it - so, to compensate for the lack of being able to create life, man is drawn to destroying life. It kind of gives him a sense of power that he otherwise lacks when it comes to the woman's capability of creating life.

When a woman stops man in his tracks. And I've seen it... a woman walks into a room full of men doing their thing, and the whole vibration of the room changes - instantaneously! I have often been amazed by this. So, know well - they are aware of your power.

Everyone is different - different in the learned patterns of behavior. Some will respect the power a woman possesses, some are humbled by it, others are awed by it - even stunned by it... and still others will feel threatened, envious and/or even jealous of it.

So, feel sorry for the poor, poor men - they know not what they are doing. This is really a woman's world, the woman rules. The man is basically more insecure than women, and attempts to compensate for this by seeking power over others & attain wealth to buy the love he lacks. And blaming women for why he is so much in a state of misery.


turiya

[Fred Steeves]

It's a shame how wildly off the mark this has veered.

[ulli]

Posted by Fred Steeves (here)
It's a shame how wildly off the mark this has veered.

It's a shame how wildly off the mark the whole of humanity has veered, Fred. This is the essence of what we are addressing at Avalon. The big picture.

If this can then make people realize that change can come about if they work on themselves, not on others, then enormous progress can be made in the world, as being the change one wants to see is the foundation.
Just imagine if each and every person on earth decided to quit backbiting.
Nobody likes it when they find out that others have spread false rumors about them, yet people do it to one another.

So, this is how it has to start, self regulating adults. Once they make progress in this they will discover surges of power flowing into them.
What this thread is about is to take this idea to the next level...
that all those who have experienced this empowerment...(and I never meant enlightenment in the sense that some eastern practices aim for, but something a bit more modest, more practical for the formation of a healthy and just society), can then form loose-knit groups and friendships.
The current format of information exchange is still based on one person with a microphone sending in front of a roomful of listeners, for several hours, sometimes, when in fact all the listeners are themselves full of useful information.

I just want to see more mingling. This is why I said this thread has run it's course...
I'm off to do some mingling.

[ulli]

Posted by turiya (here)
Consider the very possibility of bringing so many men to a complete halt! This only reveals the immense power that women can have over men.

Men are also quite fearful & insecure, as most everyone is. Confidence, or the lack thereof, is established at a very early age. It comes out of childhood & how one was brought up/raised. Behavior patterns, engrams, are learned at a young age. Its has a generational aspect to it as well.

But the most significant thing that can be overlooked is that men are incapable of birthing a child. This in itself shows the shear power that women hold over men. A woman gave birth to each man. And every man knows this, feels inept in comparison to what a woman can do - create life. Man can't do it - and, he knows it - so, to compensate for the lack of being able to create life, man is drawn to destroying life. It kind of gives him a sense of power that he otherwise lacks when it comes to the woman's capability of creating life.

When a woman stops man in his tracks. And I've seen it... a woman walks into a room full of men doing their thing, and the whole vibration of the room changes - instantaneously! I have often been amazed by this. So, know well - they are aware of your power.

Everyone is different - different in the learned patterns of behavior. Some will respect the power a woman possesses, some are humbled by it, others are awed by it - even stunned by it... and still others will feel threatened, envious and/or even jealous of it.

So, feel sorry for the poor, poor men - they know not what they are doing. This is really a woman's world, the woman rules. The man is basically more insecure than women, and attempts to compensate for this by seeking power over others & attain wealth to buy the love he lacks. And blaming women for why he is so much in a state of misery.


turiya

Thanks, turiya. You hit the ail on the head...I have had those same thoughts many times in my musings and search for the causes of the gender wars.
But then I ask myself what good does it do if this type of analysis keeps the duality consciousness going?
So I always end up back at the spiritual, wholeness level...

That the eternal spirit needs no procreation.
It is sexless, and it has no survival issues.
Ego gets dumped together with the body when the moment comes.
And then I just take myself back there, mentally, to my eternal spiritual home,
hunting for my spiritual memories as well as agendas.

[Finefeather]

Posted by ulli (here)
This era is no longer about male guru-ship, and their female followers, like we saw in the last (20th) century, but a brotherly-sisterly equality team job which all sides need to participate in.

Hi All...trust you are all well and happy in your chosen gender

There is a decided influence which the organism/physical body has on the incarnating being. This is due to the hormonal qualities...amongst other things.
We should also not forget that there is no gender in between lives and so we are still largely driven by sub-conscious instincts.

If we have had many consecutive lives as a woman and now incarnate as a male...some adjustment is often quite difficult...and visa versa...this by the way is often the cause of homosexuality and lesbianism.

The attitude, of each incarnating being is dependent on the consciousness level... enlightenment, if you like...achieved in a Beings many past lives...thousands of them...up to the present incarnation.
The spiritual traits we see in each person are extremely diverse generally, and this together with the male/female body influence can be easily mistaken for two quite different species. The attitude differences are quite profound between the typical male and typical female.

It is only when consciousness growth is well on the way that humans begin to act like humans should act...seeing each gender for the part they play in the greater scheme. Unfortunately we are generally still quite far from been what a human aught to be like...despite our often arrogant attitudes as far as our spiritual development is concerned.

Take care
Ray

[Carmody]

That is a conclusion I came to as an early teen male. That men seemed to think that since they cannot bring new to the world, that they have devolved to controlling the leading edge of humanity's 'change' via destruction and death. they have gone egoic and plutonian. The mirror of ego and the advance of death and destruction as a pair, trying to gain security through the projection of death.

This patriarchal leadership and hierarchy system has devolved to that base animal/monkey level.

And that..is pretty damned far from 'life'.

[jiminii]

Posted by ulli (here)
Thanks, turiya. You hit the ail on the head...I have had those same thoughts many times in my musings and search for the causes of the gender wars.
But then I ask myself what good does it do if this type of analysis keeps the duality consciousness going?
So I always end up back at the spiritual, wholeness level...

That the eternal spirit needs no procreation.
It is sexless, and it has no survival issues.
Ego gets dumped together with the body when the moment comes.
And then I just take myself back there, mentally, to my eternal spiritual home,
hunting for my spiritual memories as well as agendas.

a boy like a girl so he puts this tractor beam around her
this causes her to put up a presser beam to push him away
she has a tractor beam around another boy ... and this causes him to put up a presser beam to her to push her away

so you end up with all the boys/girls you are reaching for are moving away and all the boys/girls who are reaching for you you are pushing away ..

it is so balanced it is like trying to balance a bowling ball on the head of a pin ... the slightest pull gets a push and vice versus

so now you got this pretty girl ... she puts up a reverse tractor ... she wants someone to want her ...

this turns the beam around and creates this huge vacuum ... and they walk into the room and every boys head snaps to her direction EVEN IF HE IS NOT FACING HER TO SEE HER ... the energy just snaps his head that way

but because this is a reverse tractor and is an inflow ... anyone who tries to pull on the beam will cause to beam to snap back at him ... knocking him away

and in high school we used to call these girls "TEASERS"

so she finds a boy who also has a reverse tractor ... and as long as he thinks she loves him ... and as long as she thinks he loves her .. the beams can hold together ..
and can make a relationship ....

now how does this work ... he would say "I don't want someone if they don't want me ... " .. and this might cause her to say .. "me too .. if the person doesn't want me .. I
don't want someone if they don't want me" ... and they kind of give each other the idea they want the other

but this is only held by energy ... if either one of them get the slightest idea the other doesn't want them .. the whole thing blows up .. and the relationship is destroyed ..

so if you use energy you usually lose ...

if you use words like I want .. I need .. and these are all pulling words .. it pushes them away

if you use words like I like being with you ... these words are not in motion ... so you can easily get agreement

so ... I really don't think the girl has power using reverse tractor beams to snap all the boys heads her way

jim

[ulli]

Posted by jiminii (here)

Posted by ulli (here)

Thanks, turiya. You hit the ail on the head...I have had those same thoughts many times in my musings and search for the causes of the gender wars.
But then I ask myself what good does it do if this type of analysis keeps the duality consciousness going?
So I always end up back at the spiritual, wholeness level...

That the eternal spirit needs no procreation.
It is sexless, and it has no survival issues.
Ego gets dumped together with the body when the moment comes.
And then I just take myself back there, mentally, to my eternal spiritual home,
hunting for my spiritual memories as well as agendas.

a boy like a girl so he puts this tractor beam around her
this causes her to put up a presser beam to push him away
she has a tractor beam around another boy ... and this causes him to put up a presser beam to her to push her away

so you end up with all the boys/girls you are reaching for are moving away and all the boys/girls who are reaching for you you are pushing away ..

it is so balanced it is like trying to balance a bowling ball on the head of a pin ... the slightest pull gets a push and vice versus

so now you got this pretty girl ... she puts up a reverse tractor ... she wants someone to want her ...

this turns the beam around and creates this huge vacuum ... and they walk into the room and every boys head snaps to her direction EVEN IF HE IS NOT FACING HER TO SEE HER ... the energy just snaps his head that way

and in high school we used to call these girls "TEASERS"

so she finds a boy who also has a reverse tractor ... and as long as he thinks she loves him ... and as long as she thinks he loves her .. the beams can hold together ..
and can make a relationship ....

but because this is a reverse tractor and is an inflow ... anyone who tries to pull on the beam will cause to beam to snap back at him ... knocking him away ..

now how does this work ... he would say "I don't want someone if they don't want me ... " .. and this might cause her to say .. "me too .. if the person doesn't want me .. I
don't want someone if they don't want me" ... and they kind of give each other the idea they want the other

but this is only held by energy ... if either one of them get the slightest idea the other doesn't want them .. the whole thing blows up .. and the relationship is destroyed ..

so if you use energy you usually lose ...

if you use words like I want .. I need .. and these are all pulling words .. it pushes them away

if you use words like I like being with you ... these words are not in motion ... so you can easily get agreement

so ... I really don't think the girl has power using reverse tractor beams to snap all the boys heads her way

jim

Yeah, it does work like that..I have noticed it myself.
Only a neutral stance can help one with real objective creativity.

Hey, Jim, you forgot about this one:
Groucho Marx...
I don't want to be a member of a club that will have me as a member.
What's with that energy then?

[jiminii]

Posted by ulli (here)
Yeah, it does work like that..I have noticed it myself.
Only a neutral stance can help one with real objective creativity.

Hey, Jim, you forgot about this one:
Groucho Marx...
I don't want to be a member of a club that will have me as a member.
What's with that energy then?

i guess that is just a good joke

hahaha

jim

[ulli]

Posted by jiminii (here)
i guess that is just a good joke

hahaha

jim

Well, I can find a serious element in every joke,
just as I can extract humor out of tragic situations.

So, the energy of that Groucho Marx joke is about social climbing,
to such heights where one knows one is not deserving, at least not yet.
Maybe with the hope to fit in one day in the future.

A lofty, forbidding environment has a lot of pull...
exclusivity is the name of the game behind designer labels,
and expensive status symbols.

Altogether this sums up why feelings of insecurity persist in the world,
as people aren't getting the real goods which connect them to the big battery,
but only fake and glamorous substitutes.

[donk]

Posted by ulli (here)
Well, I can find a serious element in every joke,
just as I can extract humor out of tragic situations.

So, the energy of that Groucho Marx joke is about social climbing,
to such heights where one knows one is not deserving, at least not yet.
Maybe with the hope to fit in one day in the future.

A lofty, forbidding environment has a lot of pull...
exclusivity is the name of the game behind designer labels,
and expensive status symbols.

Altogether this sums up why feelings of insecurity persist in the world,
as people aren't getting the real goods which connect them to the big battery,
but only fake and glamorous substitutes.

Are you trying to suggest that people are more concerned with images, being right (appearing “better”) than learning and growing and discovering “truth”. Cuz I’m on board if you are…

I get kinda lost sometimes though….were we talking about p!ssing contests, and then one broke out?

When I was in 4th grade, bussed in to the inner city school…my classmates and I would have long-shot contests, where we started at the urinal, and then kept taking steps back, mid-urination, and whoever was still hitting it from the farthest away was the winner.

Some played to win, to be the longest p!sser. Some played to not be ostercized from the rest of group. Some were too self-conscious to get involved. Me? I had two reasons…I was curious to see how far I could p!ss…and more importantly: I liked a chance to p!ss on the floor, besides being fun—I hated that school.

[ulli]

Posted by donk (here)

Posted by ulli (here)
Well, I can find a serious element in every joke,
just as I can extract humor out of tragic situations.

So, the energy of that Groucho Marx joke is about social climbing,
to such heights where one knows one is not deserving, at least not yet.l
Maybe with the hope to fit in one day in the future.

A lofty, forbidding environment has a lot of pull...
exclusivity is the name of the game behind designer labels,
and expensive status symbols.

Altogether this sums up why feelings of insecurity persist in the world,
as people aren't getting the real goods which connect them to the big battery,
but only fake and glamorous substitutes.

Are you trying to suggest that people are more concerned with images, being right (appearing “better”) than learning and growing and discovering “truth”. Cuz I’m on board if you are…

I get kinda lost sometimes though….were we talking about p!ssing contests, and then one broke out?

When I was in 4th grade, bussed in to the inner city school…my classmates and I would have long-shot contests, where we started at the urinal, and then kept taking steps back, mid-urination, and whoever was still hitting it from the farthest away was the winner.

Some played to win, to be the longest p!sser. Some played to not be ostercized from the rest of group. Some were too self-conscious to get involved. Me? I had two reasons…I was curious to see how far I could p!ss…and more importantly: I liked a chance to p!ss on the floor, besides being fun—I hated that school.

Pissing on the floor of a school one hates would only upset the janitor,
who then goes home and beats up the kids, who in turn torture the cat.

Or were you hoping to get expelled and placed in a better school?

I was once in a house where there was no bathroom at all, nor furniture,
except for rolled-up hammocks on the wall, and the house rule was to piss through the cracks in the floor boards...
If you missed you would end up sitting in your own piss for the rest of the day, or stand outside in the rain.

[jiminii]

Posted by ulli (here)
Well, I can find a serious element in every joke,
just as I can extract humor out of tragic situations.

So, the energy of that Groucho Marx joke is about social climbing,
to such heights where one knows one is not deserving, at least not yet.
Maybe with the hope to fit in one day in the future.

A lofty, forbidding environment has a lot of pull...
exclusivity is the name of the game behind designer labels,
and expensive status symbols.

Altogether this sums up why feelings of insecurity persist in the world,
as people aren't getting the real goods which connect them to the big battery,
but only fake and glamorous substitutes.

i was too innocent and shy to know any difference in anything. for a long time i was too gullible to believe people lied to me

and i kept believing everyone was good and even today i keep finding out it is much worse than i thought

but i still keep believing that no matter how bad it is we're all going to make it

that is what the metteyya in me decided

why ???

because there couldn't be any game anywhere bigger than this ... and ... it is literally looked at as an impossible game ...

but the game is ... and I don't mind say ... bringing everyone home ..

it is like seeing a miracle of Inelia .. bringing home the most corrupt sick person who's done the worse things anyone can imagine ...

and he was at the point of transition ... he wanted it ... and she gave it to him ...

so this is the most difficult game to play ... that was ever played

bringing them all home ... so I guess they needed someone as gullible and innocent as me ... who under any circumstances ... with every negative thing under the sun ..hitting me ... and still wanting to bring everyone home ....

it takes people like this

jim

[Carmody]

Posted by donk (here)

Posted by ulli (here)
Well, I can find a serious element in every joke,
just as I can extract humor out of tragic situations.

So, the energy of that Groucho Marx joke is about social climbing,
to such heights where one knows one is not deserving, at least not yet.
Maybe with the hope to fit in one day in the future.

A lofty, forbidding environment has a lot of pull...
exclusivity is the name of the game behind designer labels,
and expensive status symbols.

Altogether this sums up why feelings of insecurity persist in the world,
as people aren't getting the real goods which connect them to the big battery,
but only fake and glamorous substitutes.

Are you trying to suggest that people are more concerned with images, being right (appearing “better”) than learning and growing and discovering “truth”. Cuz I’m on board if you are…

I get kinda lost sometimes though….were we talking about p!ssing contests, and then one broke out?

When I was in 4th grade, bussed in to the inner city school…my classmates and I would have long-shot contests, where we started at the urinal, and then kept taking steps back, mid-urination, and whoever was still hitting it from the farthest away was the winner.

Some played to win, to be the longest p!sser. Some played to not be ostercized from the rest of group. Some were too self-conscious to get involved. Me? I had two reasons…I was curious to see how far I could p!ss…and more importantly: I liked a chance to p!ss on the floor, besides being fun—I hated that school.

This is sort of what I'm talking about when I speak of male escalation, new norms, searching for new pleasures that are a differential, higher than the new plateau that people are on. In this case, dominant males in a system that is stable ....and then seeking to be dominant in that system.

This means they seek a higher... escalation.

I explained it to a friend the other day, in this way.

First man through the door, pushes the person aside.

Second man through the doorway kills the person.

Third man through the doorway decapitates the corpse.

Fourth man through the doorway has sex with it.

escalation, escalation, escalation, and decay....as forms of projected dominance.

When the male is allowed to exist in his ego as a projection of his thought formation, and this is allowed to arise as a system of patriarchy and societal control and subjugation.... then this horrific decay is the final result. The smaller circles of logic of ego outward projection...don't allow for the understanding that the body's ego 'rose colored glasses' exhibit and are the formation of all thought pattern development. If that ego is allowed to persist, then the animal decay to new heights from the last..is always the result.

When any form of this comes toward a person or a group, they should consider stopping it in it's tracks and making sure it moves no further and also that it is ended in it's entirety, in it's totality. As left alone, it's infection will continue, unabated, always seeking a path. to remove it at the root, at the formation of it's origins.

Which circles all the way back to the stories of a 'bookmark' a 'path' being inserted into the moment of creation of the human avatar, in the root system of the avatar embodiment pathways. Like programmers build into their software, someone built a back door into the depths of the human avatar. Down in the origins of thought formation, where it sits unrecognized by the developed consciousness aspects of 3D linear time existence.

That ego, it is the block, the diode, the porcupine quill of not allowing for the looking inward. A literal block on inner thought, blocking higher mind and lower mind connectivity...labeled and covered with a block built on pain and suffering if one should try. the ego is an enforced smaller circle of knowing and logic.

And the patriarchal system we have today, in society, religion, science, politics, finance, academia, and so on.... is the literal arm of enforcement in keeping it in place.

[ulli]

Posted by jiminii (here)
i was too innocent and shy to know any difference in anything. for a long time i was too gullible to believe people lied to me

and i kept believing everyone was good and even today i keep finding out it is much worse than i thought

but i still keep believing that no matter how bad it is we're all going to make it

that is what the metteyya in me decided

why ???

because there couldn't be any game anywhere bigger than this ... and ... it is literally looked at as an impossible game ...

but the game is ... and I don't mind say ... bringing everyone home ..

it is like seeing a miracle of Inelia .. bringing home the most corrupt sick person who's done the worse things anyone can imagine ...

and he was at the point of transition ... he wanted it ... and she gave it to him ...

so this is the most difficult game to play ... that was ever played

bringing them all home ... so I guess they needed someone as gullible and innocent as me ... who under any circumstances ... with every negative thing under the sun ..hitting me ... and still wanting to bring everyone home ....

it takes people like this

jim

That's what I love about Leos...that belief in the goodness of people.
It makes for a hard life to have such a belief shattered, constantly.
A lot of disappointments. How you must have suffered.

But without that belief there would be no homecoming for any of us.
Don't change, Jiminii.

Just follow my advice and find yourself some really good buddies among the men here...
who share your agenda.
Then us women can rest in the knowledge that our children and grandchildren
can have a future waiting for them after all.

[Carmody]

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by jiminii (here)

i was too innocent and shy to know any difference in anything. for a long time i was too gullible to believe people lied to me

and i kept believing everyone was good and even today i keep finding out it is much worse than i thought

but i still keep believing that no matter how bad it is we're all going to make it

that is what the metteyya in me decided

why ???

because there couldn't be any game anywhere bigger than this ... and ... it is literally looked at as an impossible game ...

but the game is ... and I don't mind say ... bringing everyone home ..

it is like seeing a miracle of Inelia .. bringing home the most corrupt sick person who's done the worse things anyone can imagine ...

and he was at the point of transition ... he wanted it ... and she gave it to him ...

so this is the most difficult game to play ... that was ever played

bringing them all home ... so I guess they needed someone as gullible and innocent as me ... who under any circumstances ... with every negative thing under the sun ..hitting me ... and still wanting to bring everyone home ....

it takes people like this

jim

That's what I love about Leos...that belief in the goodness of people.
It makes for a hard life to have such a belief shattered, constantly.
A lot of disappointments. How you must have suffered.

But without that belief there would be no homecoming for any of us.
Don't change, Jiminii.

Just follow my advice and find yourself some really good buddies among the men here...
who share your agenda.
Then us women can rest in the knowledge that our children and grandchildren
can have a future waiting for them after all.

Which is why I said:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post706444

One and the same.. Both. A note in clarity of logic... and a way out. That the way out exists, still.

But that the message must be clear. That the escalation is at the termination point. And at the termination point, lies the end of the path, where it's return to source or the grind to neutral interdimensional dust.

[jiminii]

what if the changes are what I think they will be .... we will have new bodies that are very light that can let us operate a 3d body being in a 4d environment ... meaning we are in the spirit ... but we have a body that can move with it too ... and this body doesn't need food

it can eat food if it likes to taste it ... but doesn't need it to exist

jim

[ulli]

Posted by Carmody (here)

Which is why I said:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post706444

One and the same.. Both. A note in clarity of logic... and a way out. That the way out exist, still.

Bu that the message must be clear. That the escalation is at the termination point. And at the termination point, lies the end of the path, where it's return to source or the grind to neutral interdimensional dust.

You know Carmody, why it is so hard to express this message clearly, in my view?

Because it means over and over stating the obvious.
And I believe people have a fear of stating the obvious,
less they appear dull, when in fact the age-old truth are never dull.

When matters of consciousness are being discussed the level of consciousness rises,
which in turn triggers memories in people, and so they say,
I KNEW all that already, why are you stating the obvious?

So in view of such reactions it requires courage to make these statements
but NOT doing it means that the egoic self will take over,
again and again, with ever-advancing insistence.
Because not many people on earth know how to keep the inner light glowing
and so we need one another to light our pilot lights.

These eternal truths have been around for a long time, and been hammered into people's heads....
and the old language has left negative associations, but as you say it is simple logic.