Q and A about Ron Hubbard, Bill Robertson, Scientology, the Free Zone and Ron's Org

[novus]

Posted by billyji (here)

Posted by novus (here)
Things which happen to us in the past, we have a tenancy to dramatize unconsciously in the present.

Here is an example.....I am sure we've all seen Hollywood movies where one person points a gun at another and commands one to "freeze" while pointing a gun at him, and the other mindlessly obeys and remains motionless ?



As children, many of us remember play acting this same script where we point a gun at another and tell them to, "freeze".

I think I have found the basic, fundamental, time and place from which all this originated.


Later when I audited others, they described similar incidences of freezing's to mine. So, I assume this incident was pretty wide spread?

I also believe that's how many of us arrived here on earth,.... in a frozen condition. I know I did!

So, if you have no reality on what I have posted here, or if it seems far fetched, just write it off as science fiction.

Not science fiction my friend. Have you heard of a healing method named "Somatics" The creator Peter A, Levine, His theory is that when someone experiences Trauma it is possible for the emotion experience to be frozen within the person. His healing method Melts the frozen trauma. He has a few books, One is Waking the Tiger, My good friend is going through this healing method. After 30yrs of struggling she at last has found a method that is working. https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=wa...hrome&ie=UTF-8

Anyways your post reminded me, So thought i would share.

Peace

Thanks for sharing. I will look at the link when time permits. The freezing incidents which I have posed are form my past lives and past lives of others I have audited. Though some my border on OT level confidentiality. I remembered these from simple dianetic auditing with an e-meter. So it's OK!

There is a more detailed information on the freezing process and it ramifications. in LRH's Book, A history of MAN written in 1947 I believe? long before the advent of OT levels of Scientology.

People who have this engram of being frozen in restimluation have chronic cold hands and cold feet

There is some heavy duty, restimulating stuff in History of Man that I think LRH would have been happier if he had published it in the OT levels? It's that powerful.

[jiminii]

Posted by Freed Fox (here)
In the face of this and other events around the world, somehow a someone who claims to hail from the future, who claims to control the weather with his mind, and who has actually gone so far as to state that he has singlehanded saved the planet will not be held accountable but even worse; will continue to be listened to and heeded. It takes no stretch of the imagination to see how the implications of what he states are, if not indeed insane, at least immoral. 70% of the world's population have no souls? Animals have no souls? Well then, I suppose it would be just find to subject them to any manner of torture or suffering, or at least look the other way when someone else does, because odds are they don't matter anyway?

Sorry villagers...energetics. I simply had to express this somewhere... Thanks.

The beings who are salvaging the planet CAME out of the TOP MOST POWERFUL BEINGS IN THE FUTURE. Metteyya is one, and he has put over a million here from the future. They would be the Natural clears on the planet. Of course NATURAL CLEAR has been interpreted as a being who never created an automatic 25 pictures a second recording memory. Yes this is true but they come from the future not the past. I speculate there is 69 more million Natural clears that came here from other Big Beings like Gaia. But I can't verify that. I only know what Metteyya created because I was audited to locate my other time lines and there are a million or so sent here with the purpose of raising the vibrations of the planet and a hope they can get their memory back. I am one that was lucky enough to get part of my memory back.

there are millions of people setup to reject anyone with power and Just HE CAN't HAVE IT. When we are put on the planet we are implanted to reject anything that could return a beings power so he can escape this planet. I can understand that.

That makes it MUCH HARDER To repair this place. I even found it from Commanding officers working in Scientology who ALSO COULD NOT HAVE someone else controlling their statistics. It literally drives them nuts to think someone else can control it. It knocks out their anchor points thinking they are not cause over their own organization. So I can understand your feeling.

it you want to fix this then just become more CAUSE yourself and if your postulates are pro survival the planet and win over mine ... then I will be all so happy ... so that eventually I can go off to some other place in the universe and take my 1000 years of vacation sitting on the beach or exploring the unknown.

there are a lot of other games I would like to play more than this game. I would much more prefer to be up there in the stars running games on star ships then down here trying to repair a bunch of degraded beings, perverts, criminals, insane politicians, insane medical people, insane doctors who sell insane drugs, insane psychiatrists who know nothing about the mind, insane world bankers using our money to destroy the world, insane oil people who want to pollute the world just for money, and all the other insane people on this planet JUST TO SALVAGE THOSE MOST POWER OT"S and artist, engineers, genius's, you know the good guys???

actually we have to repair it all, for even the degraded and evil people too. Because if we don't they will design more ways to try to trap us and control us. We have to remove their pain too so they can more or less Change their minds when they are relieve of all that pain and hatred.

I am stating truth with the HOPE it will get people to LOOK and be able to change their minds and try to find their own inner powers.

I only wish this can get people to awaken to the TRUE BEING THEY ARE.

jim

edited to make it more clear and fix typos

[araucaria]

Posted by jiminii (here)
JUST TO SALVAGE THOSE MOST POWER OT"S and artist, engineers, genius's, you know the good guys.

Jim, when addressing the average Avalonian, do you consider you are speaking to fellow salvagers or to some of the powerful OT's/good guys?

[Christine]

I have wished to post this for a long time. It is one of the best quotes on LOVE and the Greatness of Love I have read.

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WHAT IS GREATNESS?

BY L. RON HUBBARD

Conflict or tolerance, cooperation or opposition, love or hate, such are the questions of both daily living and international affairs. In this article dating from the spring of 1966, Mr. Hubbard addresses the question: When subjected to hatred, what then is the answer to one’s own happiness?

The hardest task one can have is to continue to love his fellows despite all reasons he should not.
And the true sign of sanity and greatness is to so continue.
For the one who can achieve this, there is abundant hope.
For those who cannot, there is only sorrow, hatred and despair. And these are not the things of which greatness—or sanity or happiness are made.

A primary trap is to succumb to invitations to hate.

There are those who appoint one their executioners. Sometimes, for the sake of safety of others, it is necessary to act. But it is not necessary to also hate them.

“True greatness merely refuses to change in the face of bad actions against one—and a truly great person loves his fellows because he understands them.”

To do one’s task without becoming furious at others who seek to prevent one is a mark of greatness—and sanity. And only then can one be happy.

Seeking to achieve any single desirable quality in life is a noble thing. The one most difficult—and most necessary—to achieve is to love one’s fellows despite all invitations to do otherwise.

If there is any saintly quality, it is not to forgive. “Forgiveness” accepts the badness of the act. There is no reason to accept it. Further, one has to label the act as bad to forgive it. “Forgiveness” is a much lower-level action and is rather censorious.

True greatness merely refuses to change in the face of bad actions against one—and a truly great person loves his fellows because he understands them.

After all, they are all in the same trap. Some are oblivious of it, some have gone mad because of it, some act like those who betrayed them. But all, all are in the same trap—the generals, the street sweepers, the presidents, the insane. They act the way they do because they are all subject to the same cruel pressures of this universe.

Some of us are subject to those pressures and still go on doing our jobs. Others have long since succumbed and rave and torture and strut like the demented souls they are.

We can at least understand the one fact that greatness does not stem from savage wars or being known. It stems from being true to one’s own decency, from going on helping others whatever they do or think or say and despite all savage acts against one, to persevere without changing one’s basic attitude toward Man.

To that degree, true greatness depends on total wisdom. They act as they do because they are what they are—trapped beings, crushed beneath an intolerable burden. And if they have gone mad for it and command the devastation of whole nations in errors of explanation, still, one can understand why and can understand as well the extent of their madness. Why should one change and begin to hate just because others have lost themselves and their own destinies are too cruel for them to face?

Justice, mercy, forgiveness, all are unimportant beside the ability not to change because of provocation or demands to do so.
One must act, one must preserve order and decency. But one need not hate or seek vengeance.

It is true that beings are frail and commit wrongs. Man is basically good, but Man can act badly.

He only acts badly when his acts, done for order and the safety for others, are done with hatred. Or when his disciplines are founded only upon safety for himself regardless of all others; or worse, when he acts only out of a taste for cruelty.

To preserve no order at all is an insane act. One need only look at the possessions and environment of the insane to realize this. The able keep good order.

When cruelty in the name of discipline dominates a race, that race has been taught to hate. And that race is doomed.

The real lesson is to learn to love.

He who would walk scatheless through his days must learn this—never use what is done to one as a basis for hatred. Never desire revenge.

It requires real strength to love Man. And to love him despite all invitations to do otherwise, all provocations and all reasons why one should not.

Happiness and strength endure only in the absence of hate. To hate alone is the road to disaster. To love is the road to strength. To love in spite of all is the secret of greatness. And may very well be the greatest secret in this universe.

[Carmen]

Love that post Christine! It is truly inspiring.

[Bob]

Posted by Christine (here)
I have wished to post this for a long time. It is one of the best quotes on LOVE and the Greatness of Love I have read.

Thanks Christine - when you reposted Hubbard's "What is Greatness", I remember reading it during the L's, and I will point out one very important item that was important to me, that is neglected by the OT's who haven't had POWER run through completion on including pulling all the with holds. Without doing that leaves "evil intents" in place on a dynamic. ( The q/a is about finding the terminal and op-term that the person assumed as a valid exterior viewpoint which they then subconsciously emulate - it's called "the winning valence". ) The Love concept on all the dynamics included and includes compassion caring to help another get through, not to make them a more worthy opponent as some of the "org" folks wanted. True compassion gets into that knowing feeling that is beyond words. Anyway, it was good to see that again in writing.

Bill I believe I can state this so easily - shouldn't one recognize with "Any Body" that one looks up to, truly considers great, one is sending aspiration particles to that person expecting admiration (and THANKS, remember to click thanks) back in exchange? And if those particles don't come then there is the ARCU break. The game is with oneself isn't it tho. Christine mentions love and I believe that is with all folks, all things, all the dynamics in other words. SO there one is on the 8th and something I would believe to be the 9th - the spot where even universes are created - how would you do that to even bring in the dynamics? Abandon them or help them?

Like higher OT stuff above cleared "theta meat" (cleared theta clear, or functional OT as he liked to call it) deals with practicals above the need to DO something. Compassion brings up something in the 8th dynamic, allowing one to be actually worthy of creating worlds and helps in stewardship for everyone on the playing field on all the dynamics (safe space doctrine). Missing factor not talked about in all the processing is compassion on all flows 4 way etc. Where is the recall the last time one loved oneself, the person next door, the rocks, the water..

So as one forgets in order to have a game, one makes it fun or not so fun. One causes other to forget to win. One cause the environment to loose in order to best it. One forgets to Love too.

There was a point when I asked them, "Who's Drama are you playing then, who gave you a game to play. " ponder that can we?

My last discussion with John was "recall the time you entered the universe then made another believe it was here", gets you out kinda fast, but who want's DMSofMH - John invented the table top auditing that Hubbard took to capitalize off of. We did get into the Love Discussion too during that moment of 0-0-0

I can say have only met ONE humble OT exterior with compassion out the wazoo, his name was John Galusha - best original auditor, book and other wise who was before all the freezoners. John was a dear friend. I can't tell you joy understood, touch the face of God stuff he could work with. And help one find why would one even care to go on.

I am glad you met Bill and processed with him.

No point talking about processing, who's the best freezoner.

hugs guys and gals

Bob

(PS incase folks need to know who John Galusha was :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Zone_(Scientology) - oneoldgoat:

[TargeT]

while reading a local forum for the islands I noticed a woman asking for an auditing partner, she was immediately ridiculed for following a "cult" and a bunch of other inane judgement based crap; I jumped in and offered to audit with her & will be meeting her on tuesday next week to discuss how to go about it.

funny thing is, I'm doing a solar install on my house and want to do net-metering (where the excess power is put back on "the grid" and the electric company gives you credit for it) she happens to be the sole inspector for the net-metering program... strange coincidence (which I'm pretty sure I don't believe in anymore... "coincidences").

so, from skeptic to soon-to-be auditor (or something?) I guess I'm trying out bothsides of the Dianetics topic.

[Bob]

Posted by TargeT (here)
while reading a local forum for the islands I noticed a woman asking for an auditing partner, she was immediately ridiculed for following a "cult" and a bunch of other inane judgement based crap; I jumped in and offered to audit with her & will be meeting her on tuesday next week to discuss how to go about it.

funny thing is, I'm doing a solar install on my house and want to do net-metering (where the excess power is put back on "the grid" and the electric company gives you credit for it)

she happens to be the sole inspector for the net-metering program...

strange coincidence (which I'm pretty sure I don't believe in anymore... "coincidences").

so, from skeptic to soon-to-be auditor (or something?) I guess I'm trying out bothsides of the Dianetics topic.

Hey TargeT - great to see ya again. Dianetics was OK as a book. Auditing is all about listening and directing to help one see what is hidden, thereby when that which is hidden is seen any thing that is emotionally charged blows away, if the original concept/event has been spotted. Kinda like if you stubbed a toe cause you were walking on a ladder with a red stripe on it, if you see another ladder in the future, u would be possibly afraid of having some thing happen.. Maybe then by that fear, you get clumsy and have a self fulfilling prophecy. Finding when the toe was injured on the ladder the first time then frees up the subconscious circuit. It's easy to do.

I'm glad Bill pointed out his experiences and reading Christine's posts got me to take a look at this thread, so I could see his background in writing instead of seeing a video.

Bob

[jiminii]

Posted by araucaria (here)

Posted by jiminii (here)
JUST TO SALVAGE THOSE MOST POWER OT"S and artist, engineers, genius's, you know the good guys.

Jim, when addressing the average Avalonian, do you consider you are speaking to fellow salvagers or to some of the powerful OT's/good guys?

Actually you have to salvage all of them or you will end up with the same game forever. Those degrade beings must also have their pain removed and brought up and and allowed to destimulate from all that past until he is a valuable being again, or they will go back into their designs of infiltration covert destruction from inside.

But yes anyone who is a spirit has this potential to be an all powerful creator and there are those who are here that are salvagers and/or powerful OT's/good guys.

And they could possibly be some of the average avalonians on this website.

jim

[Christine]

Dear Bobd,

Well indeed sir you are a true experiencer of life.. .. your contribution to Avalon is much appreciated!

So had no idea you were familiar with the "Tech" .. for starters I am not a Scientologists, actually know next to nothing about it other than a very good auditor got me out of an extraordinaryly complex and diablolical problem. Ha, the problem has turned out to be my teacher.

My point in quoting Hubbard or anyone is that the fundaments (axioms) of existence and truth can be found everywhere. My experience has shown that even in the darkest place the truth is there.

I am struggling at the moment and the big struggle comes just from the points you raise here.... first how one of the highest of attributes, humility, is seemingly lacking in most of the OT literature I have been exposed to. It seems to me that our greatness is contained in our smallness.. that the minute we become self aware and great in our own eyes we lose this most vital point of view. So too goes the compassionate heart and thus begins the rupture with the all encompassing force field we call love.

And all tangled up in this is responsibility.. .. if we create - our lives, our situations, our games... and then go on to create worlds, universes (as if we can even understand these) what is our responsibility?

And I ask, who am I to all of these others of this creation? I come closer and closer to knowing myself, as I become increasingly more aware of my mind. When I know that these are my thoughts and this leads to my freedom. Thus I am accepting more responsibility for all of my thoughts, words and actions. So I ask, is my liberation also the liberation of another or do I become more trapped in another endless cycle of games by being responsible?

I know that is very convoluted, especially for a soul that cries for an end to this game. Who sees liberation as collecting all of its pieces into itself and remembering into the great oversoul - Wisdom, where nothing is ever loss and true freedom is not being at effect. Then perhaps I can serve.

Tears came to my eyes seeing this man you call a friend, for something in me resonates with the great act of compassion and touching the "face of god"...

Thanks.

Posted by Bobd (here)

Posted by Christine (here)
I have wished to post this for a long time. It is one of the best quotes on LOVE and the Greatness of Love I have read.

Thanks Christine - when you reposted Hubbard's "What is Greatness", I remember reading it during the L's, and I will point out one very important item that was important to me, that is neglected by the OT's who haven't had POWER run through completion on including pulling all the with holds. Without doing that leaves "evil intents" in place on a dynamic. ( The q/a is about finding the terminal and op-term that the person assumed as a valid exterior viewpoint which they then subconsciously emulate - it's called "the winning valence". ) The Love concept on all the dynamics included and includes compassion caring to help another get through, not to make them a more worthy opponent as some of the "org" folks wanted. True compassion gets into that knowing feeling that is beyond words. Anyway, it was good to see that again in writing.

Bill I believe I can state this so easily - shouldn't one recognize with "Any Body" that one looks up to, truly considers great, one is sending aspiration particles to that person expecting admiration (and THANKS, remember to click thanks) back in exchange? And if those particles don't come then there is the ARCU break. The game is with oneself isn't it tho. Christine mentions love and I believe that is with all folks, all things, all the dynamics in other words. SO there one is on the 8th and something I would believe to be the 9th - the spot where even universes are created - how would you do that to even bring in the dynamics? Abandon them or help them?

Like higher OT stuff above cleared "theta meat" (cleared theta clear, or functional OT as he liked to call it) deals with practicals above the need to DO something. Compassion brings up something in the 8th dynamic, allowing one to be actually worthy of creating worlds and helps in stewardship for everyone on the playing field on all the dynamics (safe space doctrine). Missing factor not talked about in all the processing is compassion on all flows 4 way etc. Where is the recall the last time one loved oneself, the person next door, the rocks, the water..

So as one forgets in order to have a game, one makes it fun or not so fun. One causes other to forget to win. One cause the environment to loose in order to best it. One forgets to Love too.

There was a point when I asked them, "Who's Drama are you playing then, who gave you a game to play. " ponder that can we?

My last discussion with John was "recall the time you entered the universe then made another believe it was here", gets you out kinda fast, but who want's DMSofMH - John invented the table top auditing that Hubbard took to capitalize off of. We did get into the Love Discussion too during that moment of 0-0-0

I can say have only met ONE humble OT exterior with compassion out the wazoo, his name was John Galusha - best original auditor, book and other wise who was before all the freezoners. John was a dear friend. I can't tell you joy understood, touch the face of God stuff he could work with. And help one find why would one even care to go on.

I am glad you met Bill and processed with him.

No point talking about processing, who's the best freezoner.

hugs guys and gals

Bob

(PS incase folks need to know who John Galusha was :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Zone_(Scientology) - oneoldgoat: Attachment 22864

[Bob]

Posted by Christine (here)
Dear Bobd,

Well indeed sir you are a true experiencer of life.. .. your contribution to Avalon is much appreciated!

So had no idea you were familiar with the "Tech" .. for starters I am not a Scientologists, actually know next to nothing about it other than a very good auditor got me out of an extraordinaryly complex and diablolical problem. Ha, the problem has turned out to be my teacher.

Thank you so much Christine. What I have seen in you in the messages and insight are inexpressible - the touch the face of God understandings are there.

I've been to many place around the world, met with many people from His Holiness Dalai Lama, his Oracle, all sorts of kings and queens, business people, the "Cabal" leaders, the worst of the worst "terrorists", the sick in the hospitals, the "healers", the "losers", the homeless, "the greatest of the great"..

there is only one thing in common - we are all people asking, Why are we here What is it all about, is there Anything more than this, Where will I go when I die.. It's there in everyone of us. Sometimes we have the courage to talk about it, and then wish to share the insight with another.. Sometimes we stumble, sometimes we fly.. When I met Mr. Arafat, I said the same things to him and we shared a moment of heart - he felt God and changed. He opened up peace talks shortly thereafter.

There is ONE specific KEY nobody ever talks about as OT's or with Kings and Queens, or with ministers or psychologists, the Presidents and the person under the door entryway without any house... it is this:

1) When you have a JOY an understanding a Sorrow a Win or a Loss - savor it for what it means to you...
2) At that point, get the idea of a gift. Get the idea of what the ultimate Source of All is, whatever that may be for one...
IF it is GOD, if it is the 8th Dynamic if one is a CoS (Church of Scientology devotee practitioner), or a Free-Zoner - - -
Find the One (or the ALL) who is there, the "sum total" of all the experiences and beingnesses reach out to that, the "all that is all", and
3) Get the idea that you are now sending your gift of that experience you achieved to that "allness of consciousness"

As you do that see and experience the "allness" receiving that "gift". And let go.

At that moment open into receiving what may come back from the Allness of that which was is and will be..

Say thank you for that.

That brief exercise is the sole mission purpose of why this Universe was created - let's call it God wants to know what is it like to be YOU. That is all that it is. Who are you, what do you feel, what have you learned, loved, felt, hated, gave up, took in, all of you - that is all that it is about - what is it like to be you...

When we drop the bod, that experience happens automatically.. I mentioned to Tesla_WTC_ in another post Tesla actually did that when he dropped the bod, giving all his experience tho instead of to allness but to everyone who could perceive it - it is a point in time that his data is totally accessible because of his gifting..

When you do that action the Gift, I call it the ultimate gift, to reach out, touch the face of God, and LIVE to tell about it (come back in other words), one then can do that much more free from the "gift" which one experienced, and one in that moment, truly experiences cosmic allness abundance, and the idea of scarcity or shortage manipulation or consciousness manipulation goes awy.

John had that type of magic to give one the space, help one thru the issues to get there and want to come back, not just blow away or play like a god some where..

I still am struck by the joy and yes my eyes are tearing recalling it all.

My point in quoting Hubbard or anyone is that the fundamentals (axioms) of existence and truth can be found everywhere. My experience has shown that even in the darkest place the truth is there.

I am struggling at the moment and the big struggle comes just from the points you raise here.... first how one of the highest of attributes, humility, is seemingly lacking in most of the OT literature I have been exposed to.

It seems to me that our greatness is contained in our smallness.. that the minute we become self aware and great in our own eyes we lose this most vital point of view. So too goes the compassionate heart and thus begins the rupture with the all encompassing force field we call love.

I so totally agree - when we are great we surround ourselves with mass - money toys people, and we hope to control it all. We keep it and we shut down the flow of consciousness. The Let go (and let love) exercise gets out past the struggle. The controllers force us into mass, into issues, into "pissing matches" so that one can win and one can loose, weoh what a game again.. Let Go and Let Love, and the let go should be to the Allness, who asked the first question, what am I who am i where am I going is there anything more than thiis...

And all tangled up in this is responsibility.. .. if we create - our lives, our situations, our games... and then go on to create worlds, universes (as if we can even understand these) what is our responsibility?

I kinda think I would if i were going to emulate the ALLness is use the methods being used now - look to see what individuals do, how they live what they learn, and it IS individuals, not a we are all one - we are all one defeats the ALLNESS question of what is it to be YOU as the singularity... the Allness gets its answers tho, all possible permutations of Individuality what it all means..

And I ask,
who am I
to all of these others of this creation?

I think You are You - the sum total of every experience you have from the beginning to the end, and in this present moment, your identity, the name tag that has the body with it, is gathering answers - that question you ask is one of the questions that the ALLNESS is asking and I guess, expecting you to present. My suggestion IS try the exercise above, whatever you have put it in the gift package and send it out to the allness spirit, the God central point creator, with the unconditional love - and then watch when you have been in Service to the Allness watch what happens..

I come closer and closer to knowing myself, as I become increasingly more aware of my mind.

When I know that these are my thoughts and this leads to my freedom.

package as a gift that realization and send it out with the understanding that the ALLNESS receives it, accepts it. Then something comes back, watch for it, and remember to say THANK YOU and move forward.

Thus I am accepting more responsibility for all of my thoughts, words and actions.

That is very very kewel ! all part of the understanding of what it is like to be YOU.

So I ask, is my liberation also the liberation of another or do I become more trapped in another endless cycle of games by being responsible?

Your choice I believe. I find when you do something, you create a model. You can activate that model by INFLOWING LIGHT from the ALLNESS, the source of this Universe - find the allness of all ness, the ultimate, that is the source to find the light in.. and when you are in your model, inflow and allow it to fill you up. AS you do that, you open the doors for other to do the same, you do NOT have to beam them with your light, you don't have to burn out - you can open doors for them by being the model. the body being the temple in which the light manifests..

I had that happen to me once in Egypt, after going to a Christmas party, I was shining so bright, a Sufi master who had invited us all from around the region to come together for a Christmas party, to just share and be.. I was so in a state of having touched the face of God I was ready to tell about it, and he said, shhhhh.. too soon, u are glowing too brightly tone it down, they are not ready for this.. Interesting story to talk about some time about how people just want to reach and share some good news with each other. It was a relieve after all the shelling going on up north.

I know that is very convoluted, especially for a soul that cries for an end to this game. Who sees liberation as collecting all of its pieces into itself and remembering into the great oversoul - Wisdom, where nothing is ever loss and true freedom is not being at effect. Then perhaps I can serve.

Tears came to my eyes seeing this man you call a friend, for something in me resonates with the great act of compassion and touching the "face of god"...

One doesn't have to invalidate one's person to be humble, one just understands there is a lot in the Universe, and my job, my mission is to be me, and to get what it is to be me back to God. My observation, you can get more time, more open free space in which to get more insight, experience more opportunities have times you can share, if one does that exercise, remember one does that normally when one dies, during the long cycle of incarnations with different bodies, becoming a different identity. Do the gift and get more time, more space and it is simply AMAZING what comes back from the Source Allness in return for the gift.

Thanks.

Thanks Christine thank you for being you

kindness

And thank you BILL RYAN for the dedication of holding the space for all of us to share.

[Carmody]

Sometimes, for the sake of safety of others, it is necessary to act. But it is not necessary to also hate them.

That's the hard one for people.

They live love via inertia and inaction, and act...only in cases of violence, anger, fear, hatred, pain, and so on.

And they wonder why they can't get anything done. Anything that is truly functional. They're starting off on a incorrectly colored/filtered/minded footing.

It is a conditioning that must be shed, as difficult as that may be.

[Bob]

Posted by Carmody (here)

Sometimes, for the sake of safety of others, it is necessary to act. But it is not necessary to also hate them.

That's the hard one for people.

They live love via inertia and inaction, and act...only in cases of violence, anger, fear, hatred, pain, and so on.

And they wonder why they can't get anything done. Anything that is truly functional. They're starting off on a incorrectly colored/filtered/minded footing.

It is a conditioning that must be shed, as difficult as that may be.

I kinda think one who is not psychotic and fixated, is able to change, to act, not act, hate not hate, create not create or destroy or not destroy - the list goes through all the known emotions. Freedom means able to act by choice, not necessarily by compulsions. In a full life, one can have all the emotions from the worst to the best completely by choice. Even choosing to be effect instead of cause.

And agreed, very much the conditioning one accepts as real or the conditioning that one fights, one becomes..

I think it would be great some time to discuss EVIL INTENT, created and kept in place, fixated by those in the know to best those whom they consider meat and lesser beings.

Like how about this image (ever seen this in real life or something like it?) Someone fixated and psychotic can take a look at let's say an elderly person struggling to make it up an escalator and their shawl looks like it could get caught in the teeth of the steps. The psychotic may speak up and say HEY and nothing more, and the older person forgets what they are doing, and then their shawl gets stuck in the escalator and they strangle falling down. The Evil Intent Psychotic laughs in side, tells their buddies see how powerful I am ! (the hidden message he tries to say, is they did it themselves.. absolving himself from his actions)

A person who cares in the same scene will do what? There's one's homework assignment. Enjoy.

[eaglespirit]

Posted by Bobd (here)

There is ONE specific KEY nobody ever talks about as OT's or with Kings and Queens, or with ministers or psychologists, the Presidents and the person under the door entryway without any house... it is this:

1) When you have a JOY an understanding a Sorrow a Win or a Loss - savor it for what it means to you...
2) At that point, get the idea of a gift. Get the idea of what the ultimate Source of All is, whatever that may be for one...
IF it is GOD, if it is the 8th Dynamic if one is a CoS (Church of Scientology devotee practitioner), or a Free-Zoner - - -
Find the One (or the ALL) who is there, the "sum total" of all the experiences and beingnesses reach out to that, the "all that is all", and
3) Get the idea that you are now sending your gift of that experience you achieved to that "allness of consciousness"

As you do that see and experience the "allness" receiving that "gift". And let go.

At that moment open into receiving what may come back from the Allness of that which was is and will be..

Say thank you for that.

That brief exercise is the sole mission purpose of why this Universe was created - let's call it God wants to know what is it like to be YOU. That is all that it is. Who are you, what do you feel, what have you learned, loved, felt, hated, gave up, took in, all of you - that is all that it is about - what is it like to be you...

When we drop the bod, that experience happens automatically.. I mentioned to Tesla_WTC_ in another post Tesla actually did that when he dropped the bod, giving all his experience tho instead of to allness but to everyone who could perceive it - it is a point in time that his data is totally accessible because of his gifting..

When you do that action the Gift, I call it the ultimate gift, to reach out, touch the face of God, and LIVE to tell about it (come back in other words), one then can do that much more free from the "gift" which one experienced, and one in that moment, truly experiences cosmic allness abundance, and the idea of scarcity or shortage manipulation or consciousness manipulation goes away.

John had that type of magic to give one the space, help one thru the issues to get there and want to come back, not just blow away or play like a god some where..

I still am struck by the joy and yes my eyes are tearing recalling it all.

I am loving the sharing on this page, so glad I checked in.

Thank You so much, Bobd...and Wishing You Well!
...and Thank You to All the previous Posters Sharing, it is Wonderful : )

What I set in bold from Your sharing is what came to me by default from my powerful happenings on that Native American Hill in 2007. I simply could not do anything from there on out without being humble and grateful for the gifts I received.
The experience and acting upon it as You share is the ultimate 'higher' entrainment wonder!
And I share the experience by suggesting to Others when called to to live each day as 'purely' as is possible and 'give away' the gifts through selflessness ...listening to 'promptings' more closely and acting on them through the heart.

Aho!

[Bob]

Beautiful EagleSpirit -

[1 flew over]

Posted by eaglespirit (here)
I am loving the sharing on this page, so glad I checked in.

Thank You so much, Bobd...and Wishing You Well!
...and Thank You to All the previous Posters Sharing, it is Wonderful : )

What I set in bold from Your sharing is what came to me by default from my powerful happenings on that Native American Hill in 2007. I simply could not do anything from there on out without being humble and grateful for the gifts I received.
The experience and acting upon it as You share is the ultimate 'higher' entrainment wonder!
And I share the experience by suggesting to Others when called to to live each day as 'purely' as is possible and 'give away' the gifts through selflessness ...listening to 'promptings' more closely and acting on them through the heart.

Aho!

Eagle Spirit

I hope that you will return to this thread someday to answer my question.
I noticed in your post you mentioned an experience on that Native American Hill in 2007. I went back through the last half a dozen pages and searched your listings of postings and do not find it listed. Could you or would you direct me to the posting? You piqued my interest.

May Great Spirit and your Ancestors be with you on your path.

Aho
1 Flew Over

[Christine]

Hi 1 flew over,

I don't know which Native American hill eaglespirit was referring to but a friend of mine had an amazingly powerful experience at this location out side of St. Louis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cahokia

[1 flew over]

Posted by Christine (here)
Hi 1 flew over,

I don't know which Native American hill eaglespirit was referring to but a friend of mine had an amazingly powerful experience at this location out side of St. Louis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cahokia

Christine
Thank you for your feedback. I had never heard of that culture. I have connection to (long story)and have studied fairly heavily the Hopewell and the Adena cultures that built astrologically positioned mounds around Ohio as early as 1000 BCE. But I am getting off topic for this thread. I’ll just PM Eaglespirit .

Be Well
1 Flew Over
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adena_culture
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hopewell_culture

[gripreaper]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
The sessions that Amzer Zo described look very similar indeed to me to Dianetics sessions. (Maybe AZ can confirm.)...

Definitely. That's what it sounded to me as well; a Dianetics session with all its communications components (especially the acknowledgement of whatever answer comes up) down to the "re-living" of incidents as if happening in present time, [emphasis mine]by-passing the soul's/mind's "I remember," by directly addressing "spirit" (i.e. "File Clerk" in Dianetics, which LRH later realized to be the thetan/being itself).

And this is what Primal Therapy does as well. The visceral cellular catharsis is necessary to remove the blockage in the respective chakra, held there by the belief, and return access to that energy to the whole where it is then available for more focused and directed intent and manifestation. It is the energetic charge which "fires off" and opens up the blockage and releases the emotion as well as the visceral cellular imprint. The idea is not to erase the memory, but to remove the sequestered agitating charge from it and connect it back to the whole.

What I have found, is almost all techniques do not address the very core visceral cellular cathartic counterpart, and therefore the energy field has holes in it and is not clear, and the potential for astral penetrations into the field can occur. This is the caveat of all techniques, to build the energy body from the ground up, and outward through the layers while maintaining the integrity of the inner cellular world of the body.

And this is the essence of life and the experience of being in a body, to carve the body vessel so that it can hold the fulness of spirit, as an individuated consciousness, and still be all of the whole of spirit which is the cosmos. The body cannot hold the fulness of spirit without exploding until the vessel is built one layer at a time.

It is a game, as all creation happens in balance. In order for manifestation to occur, there has to be both polarities within the electromagnetic spectrum of the energy field of the cosmos, which then oscillates between the poles, and that is what gives the manifestation of the hologram form. Its a co-creation and does not happen in a vacuum.

So for every tyrant, there is a victim, both in agreement. It is neither good or evil, dark or light, only when seen from a polarized perspective. In animation, in oscillation, it's just two polarities in agreement to manifest.

But, before I get off on a tangent here, I'd like to know of any resources in the Pacific Northwest of the US where I could peruse rons org, or holographic kinetics. I still have some energy trapped in my second chakra which is tied to numerous lifetimes and has a huge charge on it.

[dpwishy]

I was watching an interview with Robert Monroe who claimed that L ron did not write Dianetics. That he found it already written and reproduced it as his own. He made a comment that this is how the book was written so quickly. He also said L Ron was not that good at the employing the technique. That he went and studied where L Ron was in the beginning. How much merit does this have?

In divine friendship,
your brother,
-wishy