Why Are Americans So Apathetic... And what can be done about it ?

[MargueriteBee]

Never give up. I have family that laughed at me a few years ago that are now awake and hoarding food.

[giovonni]

Posted by MargueriteBee (here)
Never give up. I have family that laughed at me a few years ago that are now awake and hoarding food.

Greetings my Friend

Give me a Call ...

[dianna]

Others apart sat on a hill retired,
In thoughts more elevate, and reasoned high
Of Providence, Foreknowledge, Will, and Fate--
Fixed fate, free will, foreknowledge absolute,
And found no end, in wandering mazes lost.
Of good and evil much they argued then,
Of happiness and final misery,
Passion and apathy, and glory and shame:
Vain wisdom all, and false philosophy!

Paradise Lost, Book II

[MargueriteBee]

Posted by giovonni (here)

Posted by MargueriteBee (here)
Never give up. I have family that laughed at me a few years ago that are now awake and hoarding food.

Greetings my Friend

Give me a Call ...

When I get back from my four mile walk I will.

[giovonni]

Via Freeman Fly

Propaganda Mind Control - Do Tou Want To Know The Truth ?

Larken Rose - FYM2

Published June 14, 2014

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=4AIpqGhKFxQ

[onawah]

I was just thinking about this today, myself.
I wonder if spectator sports would even exist in a culture where everyone is physically active.
It may be that they are popular in part because so many people in modern societies simply don't get enough exercise, and spectating is a way to get a kind of vicarious feeling of participation, without actually having to work up a sweat.
But there are many reasons--it is certainly a way to vent, to escape, to be distracted and to tune into all the things that we are taught to suppress, and a way to feel part of a bigger whole (ie a crowd).
Perhaps people need to stay in touch with those more primitive impulses to some extent, at least, without actually being taken over by them.

Posted by peterpam (here)
I have found this thread really thought provoking. There have been a lot of explanations regarding the well beings of US citizens and there ability to pull out of a apathetic state due to the many toxins that are thrown our way. I don't disagree with this at all. However, I would like to throw this out there for discussion: Why are so many able to muster up enthusiasm, in fact religious zeal and devotion for sports teams? I am fully aware that it is a diversion, and god knows I can't blame them for it ,but, it does show that there is the mental ability to slough off apathy if the incentive is worth while. Does anyone have an opinion on this?

[Milneman]

Posted by Sidney (here)
I will take the high road and ignore your PRINCESS DIG. This is a world problem. The Americans have many faults that are not shared with other countries. IMO, Apathy is not one of them. Going around name calling gets you nowhere.

Thus, you have proved my point.

I thank you.

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Posted by giovonni (here)
Milneman my Friend ...

While sharing your perspectives on this issue are your prerogative on this thread ...

Your comments and condescending nature are beneath the true spirit of an Avalon member ...

Everyone on the board is entitled to have a bad day as such ... Here's hoping yours improves.



Gio

Clearly, you're missing the point. Re-read what I wrote, without bias assuming that I am either condescending or not.

It seems to me that the responses so far are actually backing up what I'm saying! So thank you for that!

Hope you're having as swell a day as I am!

[giovonni]

Thanks ...

Started off a bit rocky, but two excellent connects with friends and family this afternoon ...

i am very grateful for my present life ...

Blessings Gio

[giovonni]

Posted by dianna (here)

Others apart sat on a hill retired,
In thoughts more elevate, and reasoned high
Of Providence, Foreknowledge, Will, and Fate--
Fixed fate, free will, foreknowledge absolute,
And found no end, in wandering mazes lost.
Of good and evil much they argued then,
Of happiness and final misery,
Passion and apathy, and glory and shame:
Vain wisdom all, and false philosophy!

Paradise Lost, Book II

Apathy in America Today

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=m50p-XScreM

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Dorjezigzag (here)

In that case, all the Gurdjieff in the world won't help

I can assure you if the technology exists and there is a 5% that are resistant, Gurdjieff would be in that 5%. He offers some extremely powerful techniques. If anyone has not already read In search of the miraculous I highly recommend it. Interestingly you can connect these teachings with the hermetic teachings that wind placed into the thread

Do not confuse heart with sentimentality, the heart strings are the most utilized means of manipulation, we need to be conscious of that.
Usually wars are sold on 'humanitarian' grounds

“For a man of Western culture, it is of course difficult to believe and accept the idea that an ignorant fakir, a naive monk, or a yogi who has retired from life may be on the way to evolution, while an educated European, armed with “exact knowledge” and all the latest methods of investigation, has no chance whatever and is moving in a circle from there is no escape….

– G. Gurdjieff, quoted in “In Search of the Miraculous,” P. D. Ouspensky

The power of changing oneself lies not in the mind, but in the body and the feelings. Unfortunately, however, our body and our feelings are so constituted that they don’t care a jot about anything so long as they are happy. They live for the moment and their memory is short. The mind alone lives for tomorrow. Each has its own merits. The merit of the mind is that it looks ahead. But it is only the other two that can "do."
– G. Gurdjieff

Free pdf - “In Search of the Miraculous,” by P.D. Ouspensky

[dianna]

Apathy in America Today

Best part of the article:

Engineered apathetic response is obviously the goal of a government seeking to disengage its constituents, and is designed to lull us citizens into a state of false security. Electronic media, the entertainment industry, professional sports, video gaming, and casino gambling are just a few diversions that serve not only to provide a means of physical and mental escape from the stressors we face as a nation, but also to create an illusion that “life is good,” “things are normal” and that “all is well”. More so now than ever before, Americans per capita are spending more of their dwindling financial resources on the aforementioned activities and in the mean time, the world around them continues to crumble at close to free-fall speed. Julius Caesar would be the unnamed author of the quote I had shared in the previous paragraph (with “Caesar” filling in the blanks) and we all know what happened to the once erstwhile Roman Empire that he had been given watch over. Caesar would most likely feel honored (yet perhapsperplexed) to see that the U.S.A. has chosen to very closely adopt Rome’s template of political ideology. Rome’s Emperors were masters at creating apathy amongst their citizens, and they knew right where to aim to get the job done most effectively. With the official encouragement of gluttony, abundant drink and entertainment, the average “blinded” Roman citizen knew very little of what direction the nation was headed until it was far too late. Rome was crumbling from the inside-out and had been for a long while before going-up in flames, as corruption and greed had destroyed the very fabric of what had once made it the most formidable country on the planet. Ultimately, their empire building efforts took a huge toll on its economy and the loss of Roman life was immeasurable which all lead to its ultimate demise. Do we see any similarities between Rome and the U.S. here?

[AriG]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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The briefest answer...

Why Are Americans So Apathetic?

http://www.whale.to/b/orion.html

So they transmit a thought signal?

Not exactly. If you were put on an EEG, you would exhibit a certain pattern of electrical responses. These can be recorded and they are unique to you. It can be recorded and stored and replicated on a computer. If they can replicate your RNA/DNA pattern they've got you too - for life.

They can replicate our RNA/DNA.

[Hervé]

The Lancet: Fluoride IS a Neurotoxin!

Dees Illustration Catherine J. Frompovich

Activist Post

Who would have thought that it ever would have happened? Someone in mainstream medicine and peer reviewed literature and journals would publish the ‘unthinkable’: fluoride, the stuff they put into municipal water supplies supposedly to ‘protect’ teeth from cavities, is a neurotoxin. Wow! And congratulations to doctors Philippe Grandjean, MD, and Philip J Landrigan, MD, two researchers who published their findings in The Lancet Neurology, Volume 13, Issue 3, Pages 330 to 338, March 2014. [1]

In the Summary published for their article, it states that

Neurodevelopmental disabilities, including autism, attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder, dyslexia, and other cognitive impairments, affect millions of children worldwide, and some diagnoses seem to be increasing in frequency. [CJF emphasis added]

Probably nothing more can confirm that as scientific, demographic, and the horrible truth! And, everyone—not just children—are paying the consequences for all chemical exposures. Now let’s see if Drs. Granjean and Landrigan will have the scientific integrity to expose neurotoxins in vaccines for what they truly are. I’d like to give them a reference where to start looking for ideas: My 2013 book Vaccination Voodoo, What YOU Don’t Know About Vaccines, available on Amazon.com.

In that book I also mention fluoride. Why? Because what is not documented by peer reviewed ‘science’ journals is the chemical interaction(s) between fluoride and vaccine neurotoxins and other vaccine chemicals. Add to that list, the chemicals we are forced to eat in our food, especially glyphosate from inordinate spraying of genetically modified crops such as corn, sugar beets, soy, canola, alfalfa animal feed, and possibly squash and potatoes.

Add to that all the herbicides, fungicides, pesticides, etc. that are sprayed on fruits, vegetables, and animal feeds that get into the food chain BIG time. For more information about those “…cides,” which are intended to kill life forms, readers and both doctors may want to read my 2010 book Our Chemical Lives And The Hijacking Of Our DNA, A Probe Into What’s Probably Making Us Sick, also available on Amazon.com.

Any chemical whose purpose is to kill a life form must be considered as a neurotoxin, endocrine disruptor, or carcinogen – at a minimum – in my opinion as a consumer health researcher for almost 37 years.

Not to digress from the importance of this article about fluoride, but the USA can put a nation back to work by cleaning up the environment from toxicity once the chemical and pharmaceutical industries are exposed for what they truly are: Biohazards!

Here’s a short YouTube regarding fluoridation of water in other countries.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=SBnu76__LZE

According to the British Fluoridation Society as of November 2012 [2], the following countries fluoridate portions of their population:

So, what has the addition of fluoride to municipal water supplies done for human health? Not very much, except cause health problems [3], including:

• A Harvard study shows that fluoride lowers IQ in children. [4] [6]
• Crippling bone disease, i.e., skeletal fluorosis [5]
• Severe dental fluorosis, instead of protecting teeth. If you don’t know what that looks like, here’s a file showing dental fluorosis.

One would think with the publication in 2010 that kid’s IQs are adversely and negatively impacted, federal, state and city governments would have stopped municipal water fluoridation immediately. No! they have not, and it’s now 2014. Does that mean that water fluoridation has a purpose which is not being acknowledged? Could it be the deliberate dumbing-down of the U.S. population? Or, could it be to make more business for dentists, doctors, and the pharmaceutical industry? What do you think?


Notes:
[1] http://www.thelancet.com/journals/laneur/article/PIIS1474-4422(13)70278-3/fulltext#article_upsell

[2] http://fluoridealert.org/content/bfs-2012/

[3] http://fluoridealert.org/issues/health/

[4] http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...-children.aspx

[5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skeletal_fluorosis

[6] http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/wp-content/...hp.1104912.pdf


Resource:
Dr. Rima Truth Reports / Fluoride Facts and Myths
http://drrimatruthreports.com/fluoride-facts-and-myths/

Catherine J Frompovich (website) is a retired natural nutritionist who earned advanced degrees in Nutrition and Holistic Health Sciences, Certification in Orthomolecular Theory and Practice plus Paralegal Studies. Her work has been published in national and airline magazines since the early 1980s. Catherine authored numerous books on health issues along with co-authoring papers and monographs with physicians, nurses, and holistic healthcare professionals. She has been a consumer healthcare researcher 35 years and counting.

[RunningDeer]

Wished I hadn’t, but glad I did. I spent a good chunk of the morning listening to Linda Moulton Howe's “Big Picture,” Linda Moulton Howe & “Propaganda Mind Control,” by Larken Rose.

To balance out, I worked out, and then went for a walk. My intention was to figure out what to do with this information. Instead, I stayed present and visited with everyone and every thing that came onto my path.

There’s a part of me that’s been stirred. And another part of me where I caught myself saying, “What’s the point?” And still another that said, “Stay the course. Keep on keeping.”

DualityLand. One of these day, I’m going to have to get serious about the stretch beyond, while I stay grounded. "Now is that still duality? Or will it be this soul living in a larger tuna can?, " she asked herself.

<3

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=kh8gOgK8oWk

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=4AIpqGhKFxQ

[giovonni]

will share this here ...

ForbiddenKnowledgeTV
Alexandra Bruce
June 15, 2014

FOUR HORSEMEN

Is an award winning independent feature documentary which lifts the lid on how the world really works.

23 international thinkers, government advisors and Wall Street money-men break their silence and explain how to establish a moral and just society.

FOUR HORSEMEN ignites the debate about how to usher a new economic paradigm into the world, which would dramatically improve the quality of life for billions.

Published Sept. 13, 2013

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=5fbvquHSPJU

[GuyFox]

Posted by RunningDeer (here)
Wished I hadn’t, but glad I did. I spent a good chunk of the morning listening to Linda Moulton Howe's “Big Picture,” Linda Moulton Howe & “Propaganda Mind Control,” by Larken Rose.

To balance out, I worked out, and then went for a walk. My intention was to figure out what to do with this information. Instead, I stayed present and visited with everyone and every thing (trees, bug, birds) that came onto my path.

There’s a part of me that’s been stirred. And another part of me where I caught myself saying, “What’s the point?” And still another that said, “Stay the course. Keep on keeping.”

DualityLand. One of these day, I’m going to have to get serious about the stretch beyond, while I stay grounded. "Now is that still duality? Or will it be this soul living in a larger tuna can?, " she asked herself.

<3

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=kh8gOgK8oWk

Thanks for your comment, Running Deer.
That LMH Video, about here Big Picture, is both Deep and Mind-blowing,
and on a topic (The ET Agenda) that interests me greatly.

You comment reminded me that I have been planning to start a thread, to discuss it.
So here it is:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ng-Big-Picture

Comments welcome - Let's figure it out together!

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by giovonni (here)
Aha ...

i believe these two forum members post articulate and sum up the current situation within the United States ... And quite so perhaps for all of humans living within the current dying paradigm ... whether awoke or asleep ...

Lifted from another current forum Thread ...

First from Curt

Posted by Curt (here)
Most Americans know something is wrong but don't have the knowledge, the resources or the time to figure out that we've been hijacked by a faceless cabal of global oligarchs who literally want most of us dead...

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Our government is abysmally corrupt...

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We've been targeted. We've been taken out. We're mob-hit victims bleeding in the street.

We don't have much time to consider how it got this way because we're trying to stay alive.

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And finally from Kevin (the gripreaper)

Posted by gripreaper (here)
I want to answer the question in the OP, within the overall context of the United States and it’s people.

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The corporatocracy is NOT United States specific, but it is global is scope, and couching the debate as nationalistic misses the point and focuses on the citizens of the United States rather than the true culprits of the demise.

The demise of modern western societies is NOT United States specific, ...

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Nothing happens by accident and the populace has nothing to say about it and how their futures are to be guided until we lose the nationalistic blame game and stand as one human species all around the world and realize the problem is global, and not national. The elite have NO nationalistic tendencies or proclivities, and we should not either.

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I confess to having not read all of the replies to this thread - yet - but have read maybe half or more. I think the question of why Americans are apathetic have been addressed, but not the 'what can be done about it' part of the OP's question.

If the suggestion that there is literally widespread electronic mind control in play, well then, my suggestions are moot, and someone with a White Hat would have to pull the plug for us to see change. I certainly believe that even if the brain entrainment/programmed response technology is not in widespread use, then at least there is an underlying programming taking place, not too terribly unlike the movie "They Live", with mass corporate media sending self-serving mass messages to "obey", "conform", and "buy your way to happiness."

Before specifically researching for The Reset Button document, a major mental exercise was in deciding at what level action was going to be most effective. The ends of the spectrum are utterly local and utterly global (I'm not going further that global - I'll leave exopolitics to others, unless and until I am personally involved with ETs and can offer something from that perspective.)

At the utterly local end of the spectrum, it is believed that by personally disengaging from The Matrix as much as possible, becoming entirely self-sufficient, and feeding The Corporate Matrix as little as possible (starving them), that this action - widely adopted - would collapse the hierarchical control mechanism. I strongly disagree with the purported outcome of this action, and though I embrace the action 100% for the good that it does do, and for putting us in a position to take effective action. If this action is the only action taken, the killer drones will still fly and their missiles will still be unleashed of the innocent, imperialism will continue unabated, US prison populations will continue to rise, and the global pyramid will be unaffected. Besides, your little 5 acre piece of heaven can be appropriated from you by the State in a heartbeat, whether by raising property taxes or by condemnation or by imminent domain, or some other reason they make up as they go.

At the global end of the spectrum, we are too "thin" and too disorganized to be effective in unified, concerted action, and most likely we would fail, dissipating our collective energy. Kinda the way "Occupy" failed to effect change worldwide. That is not to say the problem is not global - it is - it is just thinking as a strategist and deciding where the energy would be most effective.

Though there are certainly local, regional, and state/provincial laws and ordinances that are tyrannical, there is usually some capability of effective citizen-powered action. This is not true in the US at the federal level, where citizens are 100% ineffective, ignored or placated with platitudes. From what I can tell, this problem is globally pervasive, not just the US. That is, your country's highest level of government is totally corrupt and totally OUT of any control by citizens. Worse, if you are living under the same paradigm as US citizens, your electoral process is designed and maintained to make sure that ordinary citizens (disconnected from corporatocracy) never can gain enough political power to effect major change to the status quo.

So, it's a global problem that we are not united or powerful enough to solve globally, and local action is ineffective against it. The proper strategic vector falls between those extremes.

In the US, because of the way the Constitution is written (more as a coalition of independent States, kinda like the EU), that some believe that the correct vector in the US is citizens gaining control over individual States. While this might possibly create what appears to be individual "safe haven" States, it still does not really address the tyrannical, imperialistic, corrupt global action taken by the US federal government. I, for one, am unable to turn my head the other way and declare myself personally victorious for fomenting a regional/provincial/state "solution" while ignoring/acquiescing to the atrocities committed by the US Federal Global Corporate Government, planet-wide.

That leaves the federal government as the vector of citizen's critical action. Since US citizens have 0% control over their federal government, and the "democratic process" of voting at the federal level is simply picking between 2 corporate/Elite-aligned puppets to continue the charade, I believe this systemic hopelessness is the major psychological factor in US citizens apathy.

The research that became The Reset Button started there. It was designed to address the problem of US citizens having 0% control over our (federal-level) governance, as well as domestic and foreign policy - and to reverse it to a place where ordinary (non-corporate-aligned) citizens have 100% of the control.

If citizens in each country foment a "Reset Button" type strategy, taking control of their federal government, we have a global movement.

Dennis

[giovonni]

If citizens in each country foment a "Reset Button" type strategy, taking control of their federal government, we have a global movement.

Dennis

Thanks Dennis ...
And speaking of "Reset Button"

[RunningDeer]

Posted by giovonni (here)
will share this here ...

ForbiddenKnowledgeTV
Alexandra Bruce
June 15, 2014

FOUR HORSEMEN

Is an award winning independent feature documentary which lifts the lid on how the world really works.

23 international thinkers, government advisors and Wall Street money-men break their silence and explain how to establish a moral and just society.

FOUR HORSEMEN ignites the debate about how to usher a new economic paradigm into the world, which would dramatically improve the quality of life for billions.

Published Sept. 13, 2013

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=5fbvquHSPJU

The Four Horsemen Q & A

1. Is blaming the baby-boomers divisive? @ 1:05
   
2. What are your thoughts on the current crop of Western politicians? @ 2:08
   
3. Aren’t you just envious of those bankers and politicians who are making a lot of money? @ 3:06
   
4. Do you think we should return to the gold standard? @ 3:45
   
5. What can we do on an individual basis? @ 4:52
   
6. I’m just one person in billions. I cannot do anything… @ 5:36
   
7. Why didn’t you include the rise of China and other BRIC countries in the film? @ 6:52
   
8. What can a small country do - are we not too tiny to affect things? @ 7:38
   
9. Are you worried about the threat of internet censorship? @ 8:24
   
10. Why are you so against neo-classical economic ideology? @ 9:32
    
11. Why is there no opposing voice in the film defending current arrangements? @ 12:10
    
12. Are you optimistic? - @ 12:33
    
13. What will you do next? @ 13:47

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=cS4CfHdXclM

[GuyFox]

Hey, that's great, Running Deer (and Giovanni)

I hadn't seen it before.
I lived in the UK for a long times - so nearly all the voices are familiar to me.

The film-maker, I know.
And the narrator, Dominic Frisby, is a good friend.

I think I should start a thread:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...n-we-do-better

so you can hear more from Mr Frisby, who is mostly busy as a writer,
a profession he inherited from his father, Terrence, a famous playwright.