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    Quote Reports have suggested he was troubled by his sexuality and also seeking treatment for vision problems. Lubitz had recent hospital treatment for his eyesight, according to officials close to the German investigation.

    It was also revealed that the 27-year-old was treated by four psychiatrists in the months leading up to the fatal plane crash, reported the Sun.

    A "small mountain" of drugs believed to be antidepressants were found at Lubitz's apartment.

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    Seriously!?!? LOL!

    A normal passenger has a hard enough time getting on a plane with nail clippers, a bottle of shampoo, or foot powder in their tennis shoes etc etc etc., but yet a pilot who doesn't know if he's a man or a woman who is under psychiatric care for several reasons by numerous shrinks, and who is taking a mountain of mind altering drugs can get on a plane and fly it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????????????? yeah right!!!!!!!!!!! and the masses are just gobbling this rubbish up!

    Larry, Moe, and Curley had more common sense than most of the people living in the world today!
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    Quote Posted by Carmody (here)
    Now it appears, initial (initial appearance of) rumour wise.... as if the flight data recorder, the memory stick itself, is possibly missing.

    [...]
    Apparently, that's the case:

    Quote Whether [...] a full investigation by anyone can even take place has [...] been thrown into doubt with the revelation that the all-important data card from the FDR is apparently missing. Given that the FDR itself has been found, the missing card is hard to explain unless someone deliberately confiscated it.
    Other significant data omitted and thrown under the rug:

    Quote Amid this navel gazing, scant media coverage has been given to the eyewitnesses who heard an explosion and saw smoke coming out of the plane shortly before it crashed. A helicopter pilot in the French Air Force based in Orange, 30 minutes away from the site of the crash, said that the French Air Force had received a number of corroborating witness testimonies on this point. He also confirmed that debris was found upstream from the crash site - which he said confirmed the fact that the piece of fuselage had "been detached from the aircraft before impact".
    ... and:

    Quote One of the major pieces of data used to justify the "suicide pilot" story comes from the alleged CVR recording where, we are told, Lubitz's 'breath' can be heard. This claim has been directly contested by Gerard Arnoux, an 18-year Air France captain and spokesperson for the national monitoring committee on aviation safety, who appeared on 'Le Grande Journal' two days after the crash. Arnoux stated that there were three errors in the official story:

    1) It is not possible to hear a pilot's breath on the CVR. Arnoux states that the cockpit of 1st generation A320s are very noisy, so much so that, in flight, pilots had to use headsets to speak to each other. The idea that the CVR could pick up Lubitz's breath with so much ambient noise is not possible, according to Arnoux.

    2) The official story claims that investigators heard the 'beep' of the knob that Lubitz used to start the plane on its descent. Arnoux states categorically that this knob makes no sound.

    3) Arnoux also wonders why no mention was made by investigators of hearing the loud strident beeping made by the cockpit door console when the emergency access code is entered to open the cockpit door. Arnoux recognizes that the emergency unlock code could have been overridden by someone in the cockpit manually holding the lock button down, but this would not have prevented the beeping once the code was entered outside. This would have been the clearest confirmation that one of the pilots had been locked out. Yet no mention was made of it. Instead, we are asked to accept the word of those privy to the CVR that someone was "banging on the door" and shouting "open the damn door". And with all that ambient noise in the cockpit too. They must have very good hearing.

    It is interesting to hear the response to Arnoux's comments from another member of the panel on the show. He says "so why would the public prosecutor disseminate false information? Are they hiding something?" The response from the others is that he must simply be "misinformed"...

    In terms of the way this 'investigation' has been handled, it bears similarities to the case of Egypt Air Flight 990. That crash was most likely the result of an anomalous weather event that proved too much for the mechanical constraints of the aircraft, but from Boeing's point of view, a "suicide pilot" is a much more financially-appealing explanation, so they went with that and opened a criminal investigation, much to the chagrin of the Egyptian authorities.
    Full article: http://www.sott.net/article/294482-G...the-full-story

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    To add to the obvious discrepancies and misinformation that mainstream media is feeding us, below are some points you may wish to consider:

    1. There was a lady onboard who had been involved in sensitive hidden work for the controllers, and TPTB knew (because they keep tabs on people) that she was close to releasing this info to the public - she was gotten rid of.

    2. The two black planes flying alongside the Germanwings were advanced craft from within the secret USA military - they are based on UFO technology - they could fly silently without noise and thus were not heard by those on the ground, who only heard the engines of the Germanwings flight.

    3. There was advanced technology onboard that was used to beam mind-control at the co-pilot. This put him into an induced trance-like state in which he was given mind thoughts and images that he was flying the plane properly. He was made to lock the cabin door and flip a switch that caused the plane to descend, but he was unaware he had done this. The advanced tech also made it so he did not register the noise of the captain beating on the door demanding it be opened.

    4. There is a failsafe mechanism in Airbus planes that allows an override of a locked cockpit. It did not work, one assumes through the actions of the black craft flying alongside.

    5. There is also a direct to satellite communication system that one assumes the pilot used to try to get hold of Lufthansa to advise them of the situation and to take over flying the airplane. This also did not work, one assumes through the actions of the black craft.

    6. The Airbus was equipped with flight override equipment and software, but this was not put into effect. No comment about whether it also had been disabled or what - it should have been used, and may have been rendered inoperable.

    7. Angela Merkel, Chancellor of Germany, was given a warning by TPTB through this crash, through train crashes, that she is vulnerable to be killed, for she flies a great deal and any plane can be targeted and made to crash. She had publicly voiced support of BRICS and was leaning her country towards joining with Russia. This was clear to her as a warning to NOT do so. The President of France also was voicing support for BRICS and the possibility of leaving the EU. He also got the meaning of this warning not to do so, for his life could be snuffed out.

    [I just found this online: France, Germany, Italy to join China-led $50bn infrastructure bank. The article spoke of BRICS.
    Published time: March 17, 2015 13:15]


    8. The "ex-girlfriend" who has told reporters the co-pilot was depressed, suicidal, and that "he would make his mark" has uttered total fabrications, and is lying because of...whatever reason not specified.

    9. Many friends of the co-pilot have said he was not in any way depressed. Also that the doctor visit was for an unrelated matter. But mainstream controlled media do not report these things to balance the story they are told to spin.

    10. A side benefit to the TPTB planning and carrying out such horrific crashes is to generate fear in the general population, who are being shown that there is danger everywhere around them, and now they add fear of flying to the list. The controllers like to have people in a state of anxiety and fear.

    I quickly summarized points from a public message given through Cosmic Awareness, and may have missed some or may have been slightly inaccurate. Hence I give the link to this information if you wish to read the two messages regarding this.
    http://rainbow-phoenix.com/blog.html
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    Quote Posted by Hervé (here)
    Quote One of the major pieces of data used to justify the "suicide pilot" story comes from the alleged CVR recording where, we are told, Lubitz's 'breath' can be heard. This claim has been directly contested by Gerard Arnoux, an 18-year Air France captain and spokesperson for the national monitoring committee on aviation safety, who appeared on 'Le Grande Journal' two days after the crash. Arnoux stated that there were three errors in the official story:

    1) It is not possible to hear a pilot's breath on the CVR. Arnoux states that the cockpit of 1st generation A320s are very noisy, so much so that, in flight, pilots had to use headsets to speak to each other. The idea that the CVR could pick up Lubitz's breath with so much ambient noise is not possible, according to Arnoux.

    2) The official story claims that investigators heard the 'beep' of the knob that Lubitz used to start the plane on its descent. Arnoux states categorically that this knob makes no sound.

    3) Arnoux also wonders why no mention was made by investigators of hearing the loud strident beeping made by the cockpit door console when the emergency access code is entered to open the cockpit door. Arnoux recognizes that the emergency unlock code could have been overridden by someone in the cockpit manually holding the lock button down, but this would not have prevented the beeping once the code was entered outside. This would have been the clearest confirmation that one of the pilots had been locked out. Yet no mention was made of it. Instead, we are asked to accept the word of those privy to the CVR that someone was "banging on the door" and shouting "open the damn door". And with all that ambient noise in the cockpit too. They must have very good hearing.

    It is interesting to hear the response to Arnoux's comments from another member of the panel on the show. He says "so why would the public prosecutor disseminate false information? Are they hiding something?" The response from the others is that he must simply be "misinformed"...

    In terms of the way this 'investigation' has been handled, it bears similarities to the case of Egypt Air Flight 990. That crash was most likely the result of an anomalous weather event that proved too much for the mechanical constraints of the aircraft, but from Boeing's point of view, a "suicide pilot" is a much more financially-appealing explanation, so they went with that and opened a criminal investigation, much to the chagrin of the Egyptian authorities.
    Full article: http://www.sott.net/article/294482-Germanwings-crash-Not-the-full-story
    Three small points:
    1. Le Grand Journal is a popular prime-time chat show broadcast daily by Canal Plus.
    2. “pilots had to use headsets to speak to each other”: should read “pilots asked to be issued with ear defenders”
    3. Arnoux also deplores the fact that in France the BEA (accident inquiry board) is run by the government, when anywhere else it would be totally independent. This amounts to saying who was ultimately misinforming the public prosecutor.

    Added:
    4. Le Grand Journal is followed by Le Petit Journal, which is satirical comedy. It so happens they had crews visiting two TV stations on the day of the crash, so they were able to broadcast behind-the-scenes footage of the coverage. Soory, it's all in French.

    http://www.canalplus.fr/c-divertisse...arePlayerEmbed
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    Default Re: Germanwings flight 4U9525 crash in Southern France

    The entire presented scenario of the co-pilot, the issues he is supposed to have had, is like a wet-dream of perfected attack vectors on the public..if one is a conservative right wing paranoid war mongering freak.

    Scenarios of mentality and self conduct...that are impossible for even a deep woods twin otter bush pilot type of company, to hire such a person as an individual pilot.

    Next thing we know, the co-pilot will have had evil extra Muslim/liberal/gay/terrorist arms growing out of the middle of his back.
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    Quote 8. The "ex-girlfriend" who has told reporters the co-pilot was depressed, suicidal, and that "he would make his mark" has uttered total fabrications, and is lying because of...whatever reason not specified.
    She was carrying on a relationship with a guy who was living with his girlfriend. That's no different than having an affair with a married man so that implies that this woman is amoral and not to be trusted. She does not know the difference between right and wrong.... or she just doesn't give a hoot about such matters. IOW's, she's TRASH. She undoubtedly contacted the media herself to tell her story which implies that she's an attention seeker looking for her 15 minutes of fame.



    PS -- either that or she's a mole.

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    A commenter there also mentioned the memory stone, created and erected within two days.

    Quote Relatives stand at a monument to honor the victims of Germanwings Flight 9525 near the crash site on March 26, 2015 in Le Vernet, France.

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    As this story begins to disappear off MSM radars, please note this important final detail: before leaving this plane of existence, the diabolical monster who did this left his girlfriend pregnant. http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015...?utm_hp_ref=uk

    Just as we thought we had at least got rid of the monster, it turns out to be self-replicating....

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    Quote Posted by Roisin (here)
    Quote 8. The "ex-girlfriend" who has told reporters the co-pilot was depressed, suicidal, and that "he would make his mark" has uttered total fabrications, and is lying because of...whatever reason not specified.
    She was carrying on a relationship with a guy who was living with his girlfriend. That's no different than having an affair with a married man so that implies that this woman is amoral and not to be trusted. She does not know the difference between right and wrong.... or she just doesn't give a hoot about such matters. IOW's, she's TRASH. She undoubtedly contacted the media herself to tell her story which implies that she's an attention seeker looking for her 15 minutes of fame.



    PS -- either that or she's a mole.

    I thought she was the ex-fiance who had left him a few weeks/month ago. I've not been following the on-going saga closely but hadn't heard that he had a new girlfriend.

    Is that the case?

    If he had a new girlfriend then that moves away from the depression from a "broken heart" narrative.

    BTW without knowledge of the relationship I don't think it's appropriate to pass judgement on a woman who I don't know and may well be pregnant and trying to work out what she is going to do (eg to support or abort the child).

    It's not like she's going to be getting compensation from the airline or any financial support from her ex now is it...

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    Addendum:

    I just had a bit of a look and it appears the ex-fiance is a 26 year old secondary school teacher who found out she was pregnant a few weeks ago and seems to have been in the process of leaving him.

    That's from the reports I've looked at.

    Anyone got anything different?
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    Daily Mail:

    Friends of Germanwings crash pilot say he is being framed as part of a Lufthansa cover-up over mechanical failings

    Friends of killer pilot Andreas Lubitz claim he is being framed for murder as part of an elaborate cover-up by his airline company to hide mechanical faults with the plane.

    They have set up a Facebook page titled 'Andreas Lubitz A320, we are against the hunt' where they have been sharing their theories about the cause of the Alps disaster.

    Some suggest the black box voice recorder had been tampered with by Germanwings parent company, Lufthansa, to make it appear as if Lubitz had deliberately crashed the plane.

    Meanwhile, it has emerged that Lubitz's home that he shared with his girlfriend in Dusseldorf has been blurred out on Google Maps in an apparent attempt by family to quell frenetic focus on his life.

    Data extracted from the voice recorder last week revealed how senior pilot Patrick Sonderheimer desperately tried to smash the cockpit door down after being locked out by his colleague.

    Prosecutors said Lubitz then proceeded to set the plane on a collision course with the mountain, killing all 150 people on board.

    However, commenters allege that the recordings were manufactured in some way by Lufthansa to hide mechanical problems with the plane, according to a report by Vocativ.

    Hundreds of its followers are understood to be from the pilot's home of Montabaur in Germany and its surrounding area.

    One supporter, who claims to be a former classmate, said: 'I believe in the innocence of Andy!'

    They also point out that the second black box data recorder had not yet been recovered from the crash site, which they claim was also proof of a cover-up.

    Others also suggested that one of Lubitz's former girlfriends was paid by the media to say that he had once planned to commit a 'heinous act' that would go down in history.

    Lufthansa declined to comment.

    In a separate development relatives have apparently asked Google to blur out Lubitz's home in Dusseldorf that he shared with girlfriend Kathrin Goldbach from its Maps service.

    The move came at some point over the last week since the Alps disaster.

    Individuals and governments can ask for Google Maps images to be blurred over privacy concerns.

    After concerns from government officials in 2010, the internet giant offered an opt-out policy to Germans in order to 'obey local privacy laws.'

    Around 250,000 Germans are believed to have taken up the offer, according to Vocativ.

    The flat has been the scene of intense focus since the crash and reported claims that Miss Goldbach, 26, discovered that she was expecting his baby as little as two weeks ago.

    The pair, who are said to have had a patchy relationship over the last seven years, were letting the pregnancy news sink in when Lubitz crashed the jet, according to German newspaper Bild.

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    He had a five month affair with an airline stewardess last year while he was living with his long time girlfriend who is a school teacher and is said to be pregnant now with his child. This is the information that was in the news about that.

    When the stewardess found out about that crash she contacted the media to tell them what she knew about him.

    And no apologies about her on my end.... in my book, she's an amoral opportunist and he's an adulterer.
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    For many years I was under the impression that all commercial airline pilots had to have many thousands of hours flying time experience before they were allowed to fly commercial planes. Apparently this is not so nowadays as it was reported that Lubnitz had only flown gliders before his training to fly commercial jets. By this, it means almost anyone with average learning abilities can become an airline pilot does it not?

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    From found to damaged to lost: Lufthansa now says flight data recorder on Germanwings Flight 9525 'may never be found'

    Quote Sott.net Mon, 30 Mar 2015

    Germany's national airline Lufthansa says that the flight data recorder which could provide key evidence about the causes of the Germanwings plane crash last Tuesday may never be found.

    Speaking on Gunter Jauch, a popular Sunday night talk show, the Lufthansa manager Kay Kratky said "it could be that the damage was so serious that it [the flight data recorder] is sending no signal."

    While the first black box, which contains audio recording from the cockpit was recovered soon after search and rescue teams arrived at the crash site, the second black box's whereabouts have remained elusive.

    The plane is reckoned to have hit the crash site in the French Alps at a speed in the region of 800 kph, causing the plane to fragment and scatter over a wide area.

    The impact, and the remote location of the crash site, have made recovery of objects vital in the search complicated.

    Information gathered from the audio recorder led French prosecutors to the conclusion that the co-pilot Andreas Lubitz deliberately locked the captain out of the cockpit and intentionally crashed the plane into the remote mountain region.

    The flight data recorder, which logs all technical data from the flight, could provide vital further evidence in explaining the minutes leading up to the crash.

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    Default Re: Germanwings flight 4U9525 crash in Southern France

    "The Mouth" (MSM) is still extremely effective.

    If you tell a Lie long enough it will eventually be regarded as Truth.

    They have so flooded this event with focused disinformation that even you all are believing it.

    Very disappointing.

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    Default Re: Germanwings flight 4U9525 crash in Southern France

    Quote Posted by Hervé (here)
    Quote Posted by Carmody (here)
    Now it appears, initial (initial appearance of) rumour wise.... as if the flight data recorder, the memory stick itself, is possibly missing.

    [...]
    Apparently, that's the case:

    Quote Whether [...] a full investigation by anyone can even take place has [...] been thrown into doubt with the revelation that the all-important data card from the FDR is apparently missing. Given that the FDR itself has been found, the missing card is hard to explain unless someone deliberately confiscated it.
    Other significant data omitted and thrown under the rug:

    Quote Amid this navel gazing, scant media coverage has been given to the eyewitnesses who heard an explosion and saw smoke coming out of the plane shortly before it crashed. A helicopter pilot in the French Air Force based in Orange, 30 minutes away from the site of the crash, said that the French Air Force had received a number of corroborating witness testimonies on this point. He also confirmed that debris was found upstream from the crash site - which he said confirmed the fact that the piece of fuselage had "been detached from the aircraft before impact".
    ... and:

    Quote One of the major pieces of data used to justify the "suicide pilot" story comes from the alleged CVR recording where, we are told, Lubitz's 'breath' can be heard. This claim has been directly contested by Gerard Arnoux, an 18-year Air France captain and spokesperson for the national monitoring committee on aviation safety, who appeared on 'Le Grande Journal' two days after the crash. Arnoux stated that there were three errors in the official story:

    1) It is not possible to hear a pilot's breath on the CVR. Arnoux states that the cockpit of 1st generation A320s are very noisy, so much so that, in flight, pilots had to use headsets to speak to each other. The idea that the CVR could pick up Lubitz's breath with so much ambient noise is not possible, according to Arnoux.

    2) The official story claims that investigators heard the 'beep' of the knob that Lubitz used to start the plane on its descent. Arnoux states categorically that this knob makes no sound.

    3) Arnoux also wonders why no mention was made by investigators of hearing the loud strident beeping made by the cockpit door console when the emergency access code is entered to open the cockpit door. Arnoux recognizes that the emergency unlock code could have been overridden by someone in the cockpit manually holding the lock button down, but this would not have prevented the beeping once the code was entered outside. This would have been the clearest confirmation that one of the pilots had been locked out. Yet no mention was made of it. Instead, we are asked to accept the word of those privy to the CVR that someone was "banging on the door" and shouting "open the damn door". And with all that ambient noise in the cockpit too. They must have very good hearing.

    It is interesting to hear the response to Arnoux's comments from another member of the panel on the show. He says "so why would the public prosecutor disseminate false information? Are they hiding something?" The response from the others is that he must simply be "misinformed"...

    In terms of the way this 'investigation' has been handled, it bears similarities to the case of Egypt Air Flight 990. That crash was most likely the result of an anomalous weather event that proved too much for the mechanical constraints of the aircraft, but from Boeing's point of view, a "suicide pilot" is a much more financially-appealing explanation, so they went with that and opened a criminal investigation, much to the chagrin of the Egyptian authorities.
    Full article: http://www.sott.net/article/294482-G...the-full-story
    Did you guys read the above with a blank stare or something?

    Can't anyone see what's happening?

    Well, IMO, what's happening is that MSM is applying "Conspiracy 101"!

    Why?

    The first step of the psy-op was to "leak" info... Ooooh... leaked info... more trustable than anything else!

    The three quoted item above then reveal the rest of it while dismantling any of their claims:

    Think about it for just a little while and wonder how come a presumed co-pilot breath can be heard in a noisy Flight Deck which requires pilot and co-pilot to wear headset in order to hear each other?

    Then, how come, as reported, they could hear light knocks on the door but they never mentioned a f***ing explosion that was heard from the ground, coming from a smoky plane right before it crashed!?

    Disgusting! To put it mildly!


    See what Reuters did with firsthand witness testimony about MH17:

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    Black box reported found:

    Second black box found from French Alps plane crash: prosecutor

    Marseille (AFP) - The second black box from the Germanwings plane that crashed in the French Alps last week has been found after a nine-day search, prosecutors said on Thursday.

    Authorities are hoping to unearth more clues about the disaster from the black box after the first voice recorder suggested that co-pilot Andreas Lubitz deliberately locked the plane on a collision course with the mountains.

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    BREAKING: Second black box found from French Alps plane crash: prosecutor. (AFP) - @NewsOnTheMin

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    I see that Pan beat me to it

    Quote the first voice recorder suggested that co-pilot Andreas Lubitz
    ... the CVR didn't suggest anything... the one who listen to it DID!
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    Default Re: Germanwings flight 4U9525 crash in Southern France

    There are also reports that he was researching the cockpit door mechanism on the Airbus (as a pilot flying one why would he be researching that?) and had been searching for information on suicide...

    Seems a bit odd.

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    The prosecutors are acting very strange.
    Why should it be accepted for them to spread out rumours like this?

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    Ever since the first reports of this airliner's crash the media has been generating MASS AMOUNTS OF (DIS)INFORMATION.

    Please read below and THEN come to your own EDUCATED conclusions.

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    The BEA (Bureau d'Enquêtes et d'Analyses pour la sécurité de l'aviation civile) is the French authority responsible for safety investigations into accidents or incidents in civil aviation.

    The safety investigation, whose sole objective is to prevent future accidents and incidents, includes the gathering and analysis of information, the drawing of conclusions, including the determination of cause(s) and/or contributing factors and, when appropriate, the making of safety recommendations (European Regulation 996/2010 article 2 part 14).

    The identification of causes does not imply the assignment of fault or the determination of administrative, civil or criminal liability (European Regulation 996/2010 article 2 part 04).

    Organisation of Safety Investigations

    [Highlighted Text]

    "In accordance with international agreements [...]"

    "Only those able to contribute to its progress are associated with the investigation."

    "According to the law, they are subject to professional secrecy [...]"

    "[...] discussions that are indispensable to its progress cannot be made public."

    "As long as it is not finished, the BEA refuses to speculate on any scenarios for the accident that bring no understanding of the causes and thus improve safety and can only further disturb the families of the victims and public opinion."

    "Right at the beginning of the investigation, safety investigators from the BEA’s counterparts, assisted by experts, are associated with its conduct."

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    The BEA duty room is the contact point to declare an accident or a serious incident. This declaration, also called a « notification » allows the BEA to gather initial information and to take the necessary steps to initiate the investigation.

    Rapidly, an Investigator-in-charge (IIC), responsible for the conduct of the investigation, is appointed. His mission is to lead the investigation from notification until the production of the final report. According to the circumstances of the event, the IIC may call in other investigators to create working groups.

    When the event occurs abroad and involves France in accordance with the provisions of Annex 13 [Legal Context] the State where the event has occurred must « notify » the BEA so that an investigator, known as an Accredited Representative, can be nominated. He is the official correspondent of the Investigator-in-Charge for the State of Occurrence.

    In accordance with international agreements, representatives of the State of Registry of the airline (in the case of an accident to a foreign airline that occurs on French territory), representatives of the State of Manufacture or Design of the aeroplane and some onboard equipment or even States with a large number of citizens who are victims, are associated with the safety investigation directed by the Investigator-in-charge (IIC). They can be accompanied, at the request of the IIC and under his control, by experts from the manufacturer of the aeroplane or the airline involved.

    Only those able to contribute to its progress are associated with the investigation. According to the law, they are subject to professional secrecy, since confidential or non validated information is exchanged during the course of the investigation and discussions that are indispensable to its progress cannot be made public.

    The safety investigation into a public transport accident is a complex process, even when the flight recorders are available, since, given the high level of safety that is reached in public transport in advanced countries, an accident necessarily results from a chain of causes in which each event is highly unlikely. All possible factors must be reviewed: the weather, the preparation of the flight, air traffic control, the condition of the aeroplane, the pilots’ qualifications, the organisation of the airline, etc., all of which requires considerable work in seeking out information from all of those involved.

    A large-scale investigation lasts two years on average, rarely less, sometimes much longer. As long as it is not finished, the BEA refuses to speculate on any scenarios for the accident that bring no understanding of the causes and thus improve safety and can only further disturb the families of the victims and public opinion.

    Right at the beginning of the investigation, safety investigators from the BEA’s counterparts, assisted by experts, are associated with its conduct.
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    Then I cannot help you.

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