Was Osho Murdered? Was Osho a Targeted Individual?

[loveoflife]

Posted by greybeard (here)
loveoflife I consistently defend the teaching--I cant condemn or praise Osho as I did not know him.
You obviously know a lot about Osho ---I dont

I will say though Media reports of a negative nature can not be trusted.
The general public are gullible and tend to take the written word as gospel.

Its easy for TPTB to target and destroy the reputation of an individual through the press..
The biggest fear they have is mankind waking up spiritually
Osho's teaching certainly is a wake up call.

Chris

Yes i read the biographies and have spoken to those who were around when he was alive, i have heard both positive and negative reviews. His life story is an amazing read.

Sheela ran his organisation like a cult during the years he was in silent retreat. I have found that its not the masters who run the movements in their name, that task is usually delegated to the followers with managment skills, and what they do the masters do not necessarily know about, especially if those managers are attached to the prestige of their positions, and/or even dipping their fingers in the till.

Osho was a genius who used to read eleven books a day, he was also a rascal, a rebel and an outspoken trouble causer. He spoke on all the mystery schools extensively, like Tantra, Tao, Sufi, Zen, and much much more.

The events surrounding his arrest were very unusual and suspicious, and from the deterioration in his health afterwards it was obvious that he was poisoned with thallium while in custody. He then became public enemy number one, he had to leave India and was refused admission to country after country as the USA had put his name on a suspected terrorist list.

Now though the tables have turned, he is respected in India and many places today. Though not on this thread.

His followers do not mind when mud is slung at him, he was not a holy man, its his message thats important not the man and what built up around him.

It is said that those who do the most harm to a masters teachings are those follow in his name.

[Selkie]

Posted by loveoflife (here)

Posted by greybeard (here)
loveoflife I consistently defend the teaching--I cant condemn or praise Osho as I did not know him.
You obviously know a lot about Osho ---I dont

I will say though Media reports of a negative nature can not be trusted.
The general public are gullible and tend to take the written word as gospel.

Its easy for TPTB to target and destroy the reputation of an individual through the press..
The biggest fear they have is mankind waking up spiritually
Osho's teaching certainly is a wake up call.

Chris

Yes i read the biographies and have spoken to those who were around when he was alive, i have heard both positive and negative reviews. His life story is an amazing read.

Sheela ran his organisation like a cult during the years he was in silent retreat. I have found that its not the masters who run the movements in their name, that task is usually delegated to the followers with managment skills, and what they do the masters do not necessarily know about, especially if those managers are attached to the prestige of their positions, and/or even dipping their fingers in the till.

Osho was a genius who used to read eleven books a day, he was also a rascal, a rebel and an outspoken trouble causer. He spoke on all the mystery schools extensively, like Tantra, Tao, Sufi, Zen, and much much more.

The events surrounding his arrest were very unusual and suspicious, and from the deterioration in his health afterwards it was obvious that he was poisoned with thallium while in custody. He then became public enemy number one, he had to leave India and was refused admission to country after country as the USA had put his name on a suspected terrorist list.

Now though the tables have turned, he is respected in India and many places today. Though not on this thread.

His followers do not mind when mud is slung at him, he was not a holy man, its his message thats important not the man and what built up around him.

It is said that those who do the most harm to a masters teachings are those follow in his name.

The abuses are always blamed on someone else, usually those in the inner circle. But the cult only carries out the directives of the leader, the guru. Rajneesh is just a guilty as any of them. More so, even, because if it wasn't for him, there would have been no cult.

[Selkie]

Posted by greybeard (here)
...Its easy for TPTB to target and destroy the reputation of an individual through the press..

Rajneesh destroyed himself, through his own reprehensible behavior, and that of his cult. Unless you think that it should not make the news when a cult and its leader poison several hundred people in an attempt to create a dictatorship.

If anything, the PTB gave him a free pass. His behavior in India was so bad

By 1980 the ashram was so controversial that Indira Gandhi, despite an association between Rajneesh and the Indian Congress Party dating to the 1960s, was unwilling to intercede after her return to power...

...In 1981, increased tension in the Pune ashram, criticism of its activities, and threatened punitive action by Indian authorities resulted in Sheela and Rajneesh deciding to move the operation to the United States.[75][76][77]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajneesh

that he and Sheela fled to the States, whereupon they demonstrated their enlightenment this way,

In 1984, the commune imported thousands of homeless people from U.S. cities in an unsuccessful attempt to register them to vote in an upcoming county election. When this was challenged, the people were released in surrounding towns for Oregon State to return them to their home cities at state expense

in addition to poisoning over 700 people.

So defend him all you will, and close your eyes to the harm and evil that he did all
you want,



but it is a matter of record.


Btw, does this, below, this remind you of anyone?

In 1984, the commune imported thousands of homeless people from U.S. cities...

It should. It should remind you of Jim Jones.

[Carmody]

Posted by Silkie (here)

Posted by greybeard (here)
...A sick chicken can produce healthy eggs.

Chris

Wouldn't you have to eat the egg, or at least crack it open, to know whether it was as sick as the chicken, or not?

Very few here seem to want to crack open the egg that is Rajneesh, but when you do, you find a bloody yolk. Pretty disgusting, I would say.

More than anything, it is obvious that you have issues surrounding these things. (I am not exempt, I have my own issues, being of this 'space' involves such 'things')

That brandishing a sword opposite a thing is the heart of engaging it and thus living within it's grasp. A position as a mirror image is just as assured a prison as the given original vehicle itself.

[Selkie]

Posted by loveoflife (here)
...He then became public enemy number one, he had to leave India...

So, he was so bad that India, his own people, did not want him...

[Selkie]

Posted by Carmody (here)

Posted by Silkie (here)

Posted by greybeard (here)
...A sick chicken can produce healthy eggs.

Chris

Wouldn't you have to eat the egg, or at least crack it open, to know whether it was as sick as the chicken, or not?

Very few here seem to want to crack open the egg that is Rajneesh, but when you do, you find a bloody yolk. Pretty disgusting, I would say.

More than anything, it is obvious that you have issues surrounding these things. (I am not exempt, I have my own issues, being of this 'space' involves such 'things')

That brandishing a sword opposite a thing is the heart of engaging it and thus living within it's grasp. A position as a mirror image is just as assured a prison as the given original vehicle itself.

The opposite applies, too, you know. But you do not mention that.

And btw, thanks for this,

Posted by Carmody (here)
(I am not exempt, I have my own issues, being of this 'space' involves such 'things')

I would like to add that when a cult becomes notorious for evil, people often want to excuse the cult leader, but I have been in a cult, and I know that everything it does...everything...flows from the mind of the leader.

...Valium addicts often think the CIA or some other unseen villains are plotting against them, so it is not surprising that he imagined that he was poisoned by the United States Government. His reasoning powers became so damaged that Rajneesh actually considered moving to Russia to combine his totalitarian form of spirituality with Russian communism, an idea no sane man could possibly entertain. Rajneesh publicly called for the assassination of Michael Gorbachev, because Gorbachev was moving Russia to Western style capitalism instead of Rajneesh's own brand of "spiritual communism." Historically, Valium has been the drug of choice for CFS sufferers as it masks the unnerving symptoms of dysautonomia and helps bring sleep. Rajneesh suffered from insomnia, another classic symptom of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome.

Rajneesh was a physically ill man who became mentally corrupt. His brief experimentation with LSD only made matters worse. Rajneesh's drug use and addiction was a problem of his own making, not a government conspiracy. Rajneesh died in 1990 with heart failure listed as the official cause of death. It is probable that the physical decline Rajneesh experienced during his incarceration in American jails was due to a combination of withdrawal symptoms from his Valium addiction and an aggravation of his Chronic Fatigue Syndrome due to stress and exposure to allergens.

After Rajneesh's humiliation and downfall in America, he declared that he was "Jesus crucified by Ronald Reagan's America." In truth, Rajneesh was a drug addicted guru who self-destructed because of his own wrong actions. Comparing himself to Jesus was doubly dishonest, as he himself had no respect for Jesus. He once undiplomatically proclaimed to the American media that everything Jesus said was "just crazy."

http://meditation-handbook.50webs.com/osho2.html

[Selkie]

Posted by loveoflife (here)
...it was obvious that he was poisoned with thallium while in custody...

Oh, and btw, about that thallium poisoning...

The rumor that Rajneesh was poisoned with thallium by operatives of the United States Government is entirely fictional and contradicted by undeniable fact. One of the obvious symptoms of thallium poisoning is dramatic hair loss within seven days of exposure. Rajneesh died with a full beard and no exceptional baldness other than ordinary male pattern baldness at the top of his head. Radiation poisoning, another fictional cause of his illness, also causes dramatic hair loss.

http://meditation-handbook.50webs.com/osho2.html

addition When a megalomaniacal narcissist is denied sources of narcissistic supply, as would happen in prison, they go into a steep decline

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_supply

The term is typically used in a negative sense, describing a pathological or excessive need for attention or admiration from codependents, or such a need in the orally fixated, that does not take into account the feelings, opinions or preferences of other people.

Not to mention that in prison, he no longer had his cult to carry his insanity for him.

[Selkie]

Posted by greybeard (here)
...Osho's teaching certainly is a wake up call....

Actually, his teachings are hollow...empty words...as he and his cult demonstrated before the eyes of the world.

[loveoflife]

As i said i am not going to waste my time with fanatics. Do you see what i mean how those who are anti Osho are more obsessed with him than those who admire him? Their confirmation bias and motivated reasoning will lead them to believe everything negative about him while ignoring the positive.

Love him or hate him, he is still the focal point. He is certainly not a man to be ignored.

Don't Follow Me - Because I am Lost Myself

http://oshosearch.net/Convert/Articl...-00000002.html

[Selkie]

Posted by loveoflife (here)
As i said i am not going to waste my time with fanatics. Do you see what i mean how those who are anti Osho are more obsessed with him than those who admire him?

Love him or hate him, he is still the focal point. He is certainly not a man to be ignored.

Don't Follow Me - Because I am Lost Myself

http://oshosearch.net/Convert/Articl...-00000002.html

People are not anti-Rajneesh for no reason. He poisoned more than 700 people in his bid to take over a town, and that is evil. His evil needs constant exposure because there are those who would whitewash it.

The man was corrupt...thoroughly corrupt...and that is what he should be remembered for, like Jim Jones, David Koresh, "Moses" Berg, Aum Shinrikyo and others. If this thread was about them, instead of Rajneesh, I would be doing the same thing.

[Flash]

Silkie, that Osho was a monster or not is irrelevant here, for you and I.

Everyone who cares for you on this forum is actually telling you to let go of it. Your hurts are more than obvious.

I have learned something from someone, the only person I think, that I truly hated. A psychopath.:

1. As long as I was hating him, I was in his grip.
2. This was turning my body into an acidic unhealthy being.
3. This was turning my loved ones into acidic unhealthy beings too.
4. He was remaining as gleefull and healthy as before. The only one hurt was me and my loved ones.

5. Cutting all links, internally and externally, made it. I restarted to live with more joy and inner spring.

6. He is now, years later and with lesser sources of énergies, in very bad shape. But I absolutely refuse any of his trials to put the hook on me psychologically again.

The solution: TO LET GO - for your own good.

Only then will your words have real weight, because they will be measured and based upon inner strenght, not upon hatred.

(and please, do not deny the hatred, seeing it, exposing it, accepting it, dealing with it is part of the cure, the shadow coming out).

He died in 1990 - time to let go. He cannot hurt others anymore, and his words have no weight if not put in daily practice.

Why not target actual cult leaders?? this would help greatly.

I have the taste to make a joke here: starting with cult leaders number 1: the Bush family. And number 2: the Clintons. They are much more damaging to a great number of people.
And then go upward.
For this hatred has to be worked through, because this is the way to trap us. Then the mind becomes clear and the solutions shows up.

Posted by Silkie (here)

Posted by loveoflife (here)
...it was obvious that he was poisoned with thallium while in custody...

Oh, and btw, about that thallium poisoning...

The rumor that Rajneesh was poisoned with thallium by operatives of the United States Government is entirely fictional and contradicted by undeniable fact. One of the obvious symptoms of thallium poisoning is dramatic hair loss within seven days of exposure. Rajneesh died with a full beard and no exceptional baldness other than ordinary male pattern baldness at the top of his head. Radiation poisoning, another fictional cause of his illness, also causes dramatic hair loss.

http://meditation-handbook.50webs.com/osho2.html

addition When a megalomaniacal narcissist is denied sources of narcissistic supply, as would happen in prison, they go into a steep decline

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_supply

The term is typically used in a negative sense, describing a pathological or excessive need for attention or admiration from codependents, or such a need in the orally fixated, that does not take into account the feelings, opinions or preferences of other people.

Not to mention that in prison, he no longer had his cult to carry his insanity for him.

[loveoflife]

Posted by Flash (here)
Silkie, that Osho was a monster or not is irrelevant here, for you and I.

Everyone who cares for you on this forum is actually telling you to let go of it. Your hurts are more than obvious.

I have learned something from someone, the only person I think, that I truly hated. A psychopath.:

1. As long as I was hating him, I was in his grip.
2. This was turning my body into an acidic unhealthy being.
3. This was turning my loved ones into acidic unhealthy beings too.
4. He was remaining as gleefull and healthy as before. The only one hurt was me and my loved ones.

5. Cutting all links, internally and externally, made it. I restarted to live with more joy and inner spring.

6. He is now, years later and with lesser sources of énergies, in very bad shape. But I absolutely refuse any of his trials to put the hook on me psychologically again.

The solution: TO LET GO - for your own good.

Only then will your words have real weight, because they will be measured and based upon inner strenght, not upon hatred.

(and please, do not deny the hatred, seeing it, exposing it, accepting it, dealing with it is part of the cure, the shadow coming out).

Posted by Silkie (here)

Posted by loveoflife (here)
...it was obvious that he was poisoned with thallium while in custody...

Oh, and btw, about that thallium poisoning...

The rumor that Rajneesh was poisoned with thallium by operatives of the United States Government is entirely fictional and contradicted by undeniable fact. One of the obvious symptoms of thallium poisoning is dramatic hair loss within seven days of exposure. Rajneesh died with a full beard and no exceptional baldness other than ordinary male pattern baldness at the top of his head. Radiation poisoning, another fictional cause of his illness, also causes dramatic hair loss.

http://meditation-handbook.50webs.com/osho2.html

addition When a megalomaniacal narcissist is denied sources of narcissistic supply, as would happen in prison, they go into a steep decline

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_supply

The term is typically used in a negative sense, describing a pathological or excessive need for attention or admiration from codependents, or such a need in the orally fixated, that does not take into account the feelings, opinions or preferences of other people.

Not to mention that in prison, he no longer had his cult to carry his insanity for him.

I see someone else has noticed the fanatical obsession.

You talk as if Silkie is a person possessed.

[Selkie]

Posted by Flash (here)
Silkie, that Osho was a monster or not is irrelevant here, for you and I.

Everyone who cares for you on this forum is actually telling you to let go of it. Your hurts are more than obvious.

I have learned something from someone, the only person I think, that I truly hated. A psychopath.:

1. As long as I was hating him, I was in his grip.
2. This was turning my body into an acidic unhealthy being.
3. This was turning my loved ones into acidic unhealthy beings too.
4. He was remaining as gleefull and healthy as before. The only one hurt was me and my loved ones.

5. Cutting all links, internally and externally, made it. I restarted to live with more joy and inner spring.

6. He is now, years later and with lesser sources of énergies, in very bad shape. But I absolutely refuse any of his trials to put the hook on me psychologically again.

The solution: TO LET GO - for your own good.

Only then will your words have real weight, because they will be measured and based upon inner strenght, not upon hatred.

(and please, do not deny the hatred, seeing it, exposing it, accepting it, dealing with it is part of the cure, the shadow coming out).

Posted by Silkie (here)

Posted by loveoflife (here)
...it was obvious that he was poisoned with thallium while in custody...

Oh, and btw, about that thallium poisoning...

The rumor that Rajneesh was poisoned with thallium by operatives of the United States Government is entirely fictional and contradicted by undeniable fact. One of the obvious symptoms of thallium poisoning is dramatic hair loss within seven days of exposure. Rajneesh died with a full beard and no exceptional baldness other than ordinary male pattern baldness at the top of his head. Radiation poisoning, another fictional cause of his illness, also causes dramatic hair loss.

http://meditation-handbook.50webs.com/osho2.html

addition When a megalomaniacal narcissist is denied sources of narcissistic supply, as would happen in prison, they go into a steep decline

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_supply

The term is typically used in a negative sense, describing a pathological or excessive need for attention or admiration from codependents, or such a need in the orally fixated, that does not take into account the feelings, opinions or preferences of other people.

Not to mention that in prison, he no longer had his cult to carry his insanity for him.

I know you mean well, lol.

[Flash]

I do not only mean well for you, but for humanity. I added to the previous post, please read it (you are too fast for me).

Much love to all, but certainly not blindness. And no hatred (as much as I can, I am not totally through yet - and my psycho showed me how much work was remaining to be done in me)

Posted by Silkie (here)

Posted by Flash (here)
Silkie, that Osho was a monster or not is irrelevant here, for you and I.

Everyone who cares for you on this forum is actually telling you to let go of it. Your hurts are more than obvious.

I have learned something from someone, the only person I think, that I truly hated. A psychopath.:

1. As long as I was hating him, I was in his grip.
2. This was turning my body into an acidic unhealthy being.
3. This was turning my loved ones into acidic unhealthy beings too.
4. He was remaining as gleefull and healthy as before. The only one hurt was me and my loved ones.

5. Cutting all links, internally and externally, made it. I restarted to live with more joy and inner spring.

6. He is now, years later and with lesser sources of énergies, in very bad shape. But I absolutely refuse any of his trials to put the hook on me psychologically again.

The solution: TO LET GO - for your own good.

Only then will your words have real weight, because they will be measured and based upon inner strenght, not upon hatred.

(and please, do not deny the hatred, seeing it, exposing it, accepting it, dealing with it is part of the cure, the shadow coming out).

Posted by Silkie (here)

Posted by loveoflife (here)
...it was obvious that he was poisoned with thallium while in custody...

Oh, and btw, about that thallium poisoning...

The rumor that Rajneesh was poisoned with thallium by operatives of the United States Government is entirely fictional and contradicted by undeniable fact. One of the obvious symptoms of thallium poisoning is dramatic hair loss within seven days of exposure. Rajneesh died with a full beard and no exceptional baldness other than ordinary male pattern baldness at the top of his head. Radiation poisoning, another fictional cause of his illness, also causes dramatic hair loss.

http://meditation-handbook.50webs.com/osho2.html

addition When a megalomaniacal narcissist is denied sources of narcissistic supply, as would happen in prison, they go into a steep decline

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_supply

The term is typically used in a negative sense, describing a pathological or excessive need for attention or admiration from codependents, or such a need in the orally fixated, that does not take into account the feelings, opinions or preferences of other people.

Not to mention that in prison, he no longer had his cult to carry his insanity for him.

I know you mean well, lol.

Lovelife: I see someone else has noticed the fanatical obsession.

You talk as if Silkie is a person possessed.

In no way do I think Silkie is possessed in any regard. She/he is just human, no possession here, only bad bad memories and lots of anger. She/he no more possessed than I was, unless possession is our one inner reworking of PTSD symptoms.
PTSD yes, he/she has in my views.
Fanatical, no, but thoroughly convinced and mostly thoroughly angry at what was done.
Thread killer, maybe

I do not know if he/she realise how many people here are caring for he/her. It is very obvious in the posts - they often have nothing to do with the ideas presented, but definitely with the caring

[Selkie]

Posted by loveoflife (here)
...I see someone else has noticed the fanatical obsession.

You talk as if Silkie is a person possessed.

This isn't true. Not to mention that it is very unkind, personal, and prejudicial.

[Selkie]

Posted by Flash (here)
...thoroughly convinced and mostly thoroughly angry at what was done...

Yes. What horrifies me in this thread is the equanimity with which the damage to the actual victims of that viscous cult is whitewashed by some people. And then they wonder why I don't just make it easy on everyone and focus on Rajneesh's pretty, hollow words, instead of on his crimes and insanity

addition Salmonella can cause health problems years after the initial infection has gone away. So there may be people still suffering from what Rajneesh and his bunch did.

The germs that caused it may affect you long after you supposedly recovered -- in some cases, for years.

In Scientific American's April issue, Maryn McKenna tells the story of 14-year-old Dana Dziadul, who for more than a decade suffered from chronic joint pain. Doctors ultimately determined it was arthritis, caused by a bout of salmonella poisoning Dziadul had contracted more than a decade earlier.

McKenna continues:

Long-term consequences are not limited to individuals who were hospitalized, as Dana was. They have also been recorded in people who experienced what seemed to be minor bouts of fever, vomiting or diarrhea. The consequences include reactive arthritis, urinary tract problems and damage to the eyes after Salmonella and Shigella infections;

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1408668.html

[Selkie]

Posted by loveoflife (here)
...You talk as if Silkie is a person possessed.

Flash did no such thing.

[ulli]

Getting clear of the damage done to one's psyche by a psychopath can take years.
No one should ever pressurize a victim to let go.
If a person then takes their experience and makes a profession out of it, to help others heal,
kudos to them.
All attacks and defense responses in relation to gurus only play further into the dark agenda.
However, genuine exposing of the misdeeds of public figures should never be censored, in my view.

[Flash]

I love Ulli but for once, I do not agree with your statement.

If someone has to work to help victims of a cult, or any agression, because of their own experience, they may be much more effective, in my views, once the upset/PTSD is worked through. Sometimes being told to let go just allows one to Wake up and get to act more efficiently, Plus it often help the body as well, when letting go. This does not mean not remembering, or denying. It means ending the anger/emotional process with whatever mean necessary. But memory does remain, it is why one can act for others and help.

Now, genuine exposure of misdeeds should never be censored, this I fully agree. Otherwise we are playing the same game as Cabal is.

Posted by ulli (here)
Getting clear of the damage done to one's psyche by a psychopath can take years.
No one should ever pressurize a victim to let go.
If a person then takes their experience and makes a profession out of it, to help others heal,
kudos to them.
All attacks and defense responses in relation to gurus only play further into the dark agenda.
However, genuine exposing of the misdeeds of public figures should never be censored, in my view.

[Selkie]

Posted by ulli (here)
Getting clear of the damage done to one's psyche by a psychopath can take years.
No one should ever pressurize a victim to let go.
If a person then takes their experience and makes a profession out of it, to help others heal,
kudos to them.
All attacks and defense responses in relation to gurus only play further into the dark agenda.
However, genuine exposing of the misdeeds of public figures should never be censored, in my view.

Thank you for this, Ulli.

Yes. Letting go is something that happens in its own time. It is not something that can be forced...not by anybody. I am not talking about cults and gurus and psychopaths from an armchair, after all, and if people want to see that as "having issues", well,

And btw, everything I have written here about Rajneesh and his cult has been to show why I think he was not targeted. He was not targeted at all, as much as some wish he had been. No. He self-destructed. Eyewitness testimony makes that clear, as several links on this thread show.