The Law of Polarity ~ Dualistic Universe

[Sunny-side-up]

I haven't read the full post and replies yet and don't know if this view has been added,so:

The main reason we are always at odds in the world is because we have run our view of life in a simplistic way 'Duality'

That is the Dumbed Down view! I think is you go to the route of the idea you will find we live in something more like a 'Triadic' universe!

Here is one example that is used against us, dividing us!
Dualistic : Law-Crime etc, etc
Triadic : Law-Crime-Hidden Rules (Hidden Rules/Hidden Rulers do as they please in this reality, out-side of the Duality i

We are divided easily by thinking it's duality, so simple!

Same goes for all other aspects of the so called reality, It's all shades of polarity's!

PS: Up-Down ? we live in space, no up or down just angles and we all know how important angles are

[ghostrider]

this goes to the heart of Creation , infinite spiritual energy producing a material Universe , one does a ballet with the other ... the law of cause and affect ... it's all a ballet and we are merely players and portrayers ...

[Omni]

Posted by Sunny-side-up (here)
PS: Up-Down ? we live in space, no up or down just angles and we all know how important angles are

Up and Down are relative, I agree. But basic 3D principles apply to space and involve dimensions of "<--> ^v". It could be labeled "that way-this way" instead of up and down but I find up and down just fine personally given we live on a surface of a planet, and up down does apply here IMHO.

[Deega]

Posted by Omniverse (here)

Posted by Deega (here)
Yes, the Law of Polarity is a creation of man to understand the underlying motion of energy to duality, many a Posts here talked about this.

I would think that the Law is limited to the Physical, though it may be an accomplice to the Spiritual. And if we bring in the non-duality, where does the Law fit in? I guess it still is in the Physical but at this joincture, it become a state of Mind, a state of Love, a state that is difficult to maintained since we are in constant pressure responding to one Basic Needs and living on Gravitional Earth.

Well what most people seem to be speaking of with non duality is only good and bad. Not polarities of everything. I don't think anyone has a leg to stand on if they deny the dualistic nature of the universe. Yin Yang is not nonsense IMO. In fact yin yang is one of the basic truths of existence IMHO.

And I don't think it is limited to the physical. Mental things also apply.

Thanks deega

Welcome my friend, I thought that a definition would probably helped the discussion.

Polarity in Physics
1. the property or characteristic that produces unequal physical effects at different points in a body or system, as a magnet or storage battery.
2. the positive or negative state in which a body reacts to a magnetic, electric, or other field.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/polarity

Well then it's manifest in the physical, can't have it otherwise. But, the expression of Polarities in the physical brings in the Trinity principle where every manifestation within a pair of polarities produced another result that will fit its opposite and it keep on never ending process, similar to fractal, mitosis.

I concur, it's really difficult to deny the dualistic nature of the Universe, but still, is dark matter only polarities, I would think that it's more, is dark energy only polarities, also, I would think that it's more.

Interesting Tread and Posts, thanks Omniverse.

[greybeard]

The challenge is that those who believe in duality cant be very open minded about non-duality and in some cases vice versa.
Formless is not dual and everything originates from the formless.
However the mind can not get it.
The nearest expression as far as I can see is that " Both form and formless and neither"
Would seem that "God" is beyond the human mind to understand--any attempt is a limitation of that which know no limits.

Im not denying in the world there is/are polarities/opposites.
There is the same situation in a dream---which on awakening is found to have been unreal.
Separation from Source would also seem to be unreal.

Not saying Im right ---this is my current understanding---which is flawed because I am human.

Chris

[Selkie]

Wouldn't a simple bar magnet be a demonstration of duality?

Bar magnets with iron filings,



Nothing to "believe in" there...

I'm beginning to think that non-duality is a construct,

con·struct

verb

verb: construct; 3rd person present: constructs; past tense: constructed; past participle: constructed; gerund or present participle: constructing

/kənˈstrəkt/

1.

build or erect (something, typically a building, road, or machine).
"a company that constructs oil rigs"

synonyms: build, erect, put up, set up, raise, establish, assemble, manufacture, fabricate, create, make
"a new high-rise was being constructed"

antonyms: demolish

•form (an idea or theory) by bringing together various conceptual elements, typically over a period of time.
"Ptolemy combined his interests to construct a theory in support of Aristotle"

synonyms: formulate, form, put together, create, devise, design, compose, work out; More
fashion, mold, shape, frame

"he constructed a faultless argument"

•Grammar
form (a sentence) according to grammatical rules.

•Geometry
draw or delineate (a geometric figure) accurately to given conditions.

noun

noun: construct; plural noun: constructs

/ˈkänˌstrəkt/

1.

an idea or theory containing various conceptual elements, typically one considered to be subjective and not based on empirical evidence.
"history is largely an ideological construct"

(my emphasis)

and (perhaps) a cop out.

[Fanna]

Unity:
All is one. One is all. My soul and yours are one.

Duality:
Brilliant magnets are brilliant. Such light dark dualities permeate our universe.

Trinity:
During any physical event, we as humans have a 3-fold reaction. Our bodies react, our brains think, and our hearts feel. The trinity may disagree amongst itself!

Ain:
...

Notice how i may have all of these existing without contradiction. Unity and naught may even occur together! For such is duality, is it not? Myself, as a trinity, may one day be a part of a duality or union between two, but this does not override how my mind/body/spirit reacts in trinity.

[joeecho]

Posted by greybeard (here)
The challenge is that those who believe in duality cant be very open minded about non-duality and in some cases vice versa.
Formless is not dual and everything originates from the formless.
However the mind can not get it.
The nearest expression as far as I can see is that " Both form and formless and neither"
Would seem that "God" is beyond the human mind to understand--any attempt is a limitation of that which know no limits.

Im not denying in the world there is/are polarities/opposites.
There is the same situation in a dream---which on awakening is found to have been unreal.
Separation from Source would also seem to be unreal.

Not saying Im right ---this is my current understanding---which is flawed because I am human.

Chris

Mind is the limitation to 'understanding' God (I use the word 'God' here because that is all I have to use in this media in hopes of conveying what I mean).

[Omni]

Posted by Deega (here)

Posted by Omniverse (here)

Posted by Deega (here)
Yes, the Law of Polarity is a creation of man to understand the underlying motion of energy to duality, many a Posts here talked about this.

I would think that the Law is limited to the Physical, though it may be an accomplice to the Spiritual. And if we bring in the non-duality, where does the Law fit in? I guess it still is in the Physical but at this joincture, it become a state of Mind, a state of Love, a state that is difficult to maintained since we are in constant pressure responding to one Basic Needs and living on Gravitional Earth.

Well what most people seem to be speaking of with non duality is only good and bad. Not polarities of everything. I don't think anyone has a leg to stand on if they deny the dualistic nature of the universe. Yin Yang is not nonsense IMO. In fact yin yang is one of the basic truths of existence IMHO.

And I don't think it is limited to the physical. Mental things also apply.

Thanks deega

Welcome my friend, I thought that a definition would probably helped the discussion.

Polarity in Physics
1. the property or characteristic that produces unequal physical effects at different points in a body or system, as a magnet or storage battery.
2. the positive or negative state in which a body reacts to a magnetic, electric, or other field.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/polarity

Well then it's manifest in the physical, can't have it otherwise. But, the expression of Polarities in the physical brings in the Trinity principle where every manifestation within a pair of polarities produced another result that will fit its opposite and it keep on never ending process, similar to fractal, mitosis.

I concur, it's really difficult to deny the dualistic nature of the Universe, but still, is dark matter only polarities, I would think that it's more, is dark energy only polarities, also, I would think that it's more.

Interesting Tread and Posts, thanks Omniverse.

Here is Google's definition of polarity:

po·lar·i·ty
pəˈlerədē,pōˈlerədē/
noun

the property of having poles or being polar.
"it exhibits polarity when presented to a magnetic needle"
the relative orientation of poles; the direction of a magnetic or electric field.
plural noun: polarities
"the magnetic field peaks in strength immediately after switching polarity"

Polarities can be found in both the physical and mental realms. For example objectivity/subjectivity or many other mental processes explained by dual poles.

I agree trinity is also applicable to the universe. One could argue the universe is largely trinityesk(or however you would call it) on top of dualistic. Can also be summed up in quads but the higher the number is the less systems apply to it I tend to think. I think perhaps a majority of systems of the universe apply to #'s 1-2-3, but that isn't something I know it's just a quick assumption.

[loveoflife]

Imagine that there is one energy with two polarities, two sides of a coin. Simultaneous oneness and difference.

Instead of aligning with one aspect of duality or the other transcend the polarities while retaining individuality.

[Selkie]

Posted by loveoflife (here)
Imagine that there is one energy with two polarities, two sides of a coin. Simultaneous oneness and difference.

Instead of aligning with one aspect of duality or the other transcend the polarities while retaining individuality.

Well of course.

However, it means that duality is real...that it is a real aspect of the universe...and not imaginary, as some people would like us to believe. We could not even imagine oneness if there was not duality to contrast it with.

[greybeard]

Posted by Selkie (here)

Posted by loveoflife (here)
Imagine that there is one energy with two polarities, two sides of a coin. Simultaneous oneness and difference.

Instead of aligning with one aspect of duality or the other transcend the polarities while retaining individuality.

Well of course.

However, it means that duality is real...that it is a real aspect of the universe...and not imaginary, as some people would like us to believe. We could not even imagine oneness if there was not duality to contrast it with.

One can imagine and dream many things---smiling broadly.
No limits to what the "mind of God" can come up with"

There are many books on non-duality that are written by those who are in that state.
Ancient text too.
That is first hand compelling evidence for me.

There is of course compelling evidence for duality and individuality.

Having started of believing in being an individual me, I get that.
Then having spent time reading, meditating, following the advice of Ramana Maharshi (self enquiry) First and foremost find out who/what you are, slowly but surely I have come to believe what I have expressed here. There is only one without a second and I am That.

Best wishes to all
Chris

[Sunny-side-up]

Posted by Selkie (here)
Wouldn't a simple bar magnet be a demonstration of duality?

Bar magnets with iron filings,



Nothing to "believe in" there...

I'm beginning to think that non-duality is a construct,

con·struct

verb

verb: construct; 3rd person present: constructs; past tense: constructed; past participle: constructed; gerund or present participle: constructing

/kənˈstrəkt/

1.

build or erect (something, typically a building, road, or machine).
"a company that constructs oil rigs"

synonyms: build, erect, put up, set up, raise, establish, assemble, manufacture, fabricate, create, make
"a new high-rise was being constructed"

antonyms: demolish

•form (an idea or theory) by bringing together various conceptual elements, typically over a period of time.
"Ptolemy combined his interests to construct a theory in support of Aristotle"

synonyms: formulate, form, put together, create, devise, design, compose, work out; More
fashion, mold, shape, frame

"he constructed a faultless argument"

•Grammar
form (a sentence) according to grammatical rules.

•Geometry
draw or delineate (a geometric figure) accurately to given conditions.

noun

noun: construct; plural noun: constructs

/ˈkänˌstrəkt/

1.

an idea or theory containing various conceptual elements, typically one considered to be subjective and not based on empirical evidence.
"history is largely an ideological construct"

(my emphasis)

and (perhaps) a cop out.

Hmm! when I look at your magnet image I see a continuum, not opposites or individuals, the energy show a circling path ' a circle' no start or ending, they are one!

Just one way of looking at that magnetic pattern!

[greybeard]

A few simple questions might shed some light on duality vs non-duality.
Are you aware that you exist?
Do you need anything whatsoever to confirm that you exist?

This is known as "being" self aware.
The Self is aware of it Self---this is the root of non-duality.

Not even a thought is needed to confirm this.
Thoughts like everything else, including the body, are not permanent.
You just know in silent awareness that you are.

What you are is eternal.
Awareness is eternal and non changing--unaffected by the ups and downs of life.
Awareness is not personal but that's another subject--ie Enlightenment/Self Realisation..
Only form needs the law of polarity---in essence you are formless and everything originates from the formless and yet is not separate.
The right hand seems to be separate from the left and has a different function yet they are both incorporated in one body.
Everything that we see as separate is One (one collective consciousness).

Hope this is helpful, though it is far removed from the truth which can not be described, is beyond understanding.

Respectfully
Chris

[Omni]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Only form needs the law of polarity---in essence you are formless and everything originates from the formless and yet is not separate.

I disagree. Formlessness exists within a polarity of form and formlessness. So it too is part of polarity. It is one pole of a dual system. Just because one is in one pole of a dualistic system doesn't mean you have transcended duality. The duality of it exists regardless of you labeling it, as well.

Oneness doesn't conflict with duality either. Oneness/Separated.

[Selkie]

Posted by Sunny-side-up (here)

Posted by Selkie (here)
Wouldn't a simple bar magnet be a demonstration of duality?

Bar magnets with iron filings,



Nothing to "believe in" there...

I'm beginning to think that non-duality is a construct,

con·struct

verb

verb: construct; 3rd person present: constructs; past tense: constructed; past participle: constructed; gerund or present participle: constructing

/kənˈstrəkt/

1.

build or erect (something, typically a building, road, or machine).
"a company that constructs oil rigs"

synonyms: build, erect, put up, set up, raise, establish, assemble, manufacture, fabricate, create, make
"a new high-rise was being constructed"

antonyms: demolish

•form (an idea or theory) by bringing together various conceptual elements, typically over a period of time.
"Ptolemy combined his interests to construct a theory in support of Aristotle"

synonyms: formulate, form, put together, create, devise, design, compose, work out; More
fashion, mold, shape, frame

"he constructed a faultless argument"

•Grammar
form (a sentence) according to grammatical rules.

•Geometry
draw or delineate (a geometric figure) accurately to given conditions.

noun

noun: construct; plural noun: constructs

/ˈkänˌstrəkt/

1.

an idea or theory containing various conceptual elements, typically one considered to be subjective and not based on empirical evidence.
"history is largely an ideological construct"

(my emphasis)

and (perhaps) a cop out.

Hmm! when I look at your magnet image I see a continuum, not opposites or individuals, the energy show a circling path ' a circle' no start or ending, they are one!

Just one way of looking at that magnetic pattern!

The thing of it is, every one of those iron filings becomes polarized, too. Each one has a north end, and a south end, even where they form a circle. The whole (the circle) is made up of smaller, polarized units.

In other words, if it were not for polarization (duality), the whole (the circle) would not form (exist) at all.

In other words, it is actually duality that created the whole.

[greybeard]

Posted by Omniverse (here)

Posted by greybeard (here)
Only form needs the law of polarity---in essence you are formless and everything originates from the formless and yet is not separate.

I disagree. Formlessness exists within a polarity of form and formlessness. So it too is part of polarity. It is one pole of a dual system. Just because one is in one pole of a dualistic system doesn't mean you have transcended duality. The duality of it exists regardless of you labeling it, as well.

Oneness doesn't conflict with duality either. Oneness/Separated.

We are in agreement that oneness does not conflict with duality.
From my perspective they are one and contained within the One

Awareness is prior to all and is permanent--all else comes and goes.
You, as awareness, are prior to the formation of Universes and remain on the dissolution of Universes.

Perhaps a good example is the Ocean--individual waves come and go-- they are still the ocean but their seeming separate identity is an illusion.
The wave never left the Ocean.
The magnet is still the magnet regardless of which end/"polarity" is viewed--the action is in essence the same energy doing different things.

The mind uses words to organise and file what is happening and this is useful.
Awareness does not need any label to observe and fully experience.
It just sees the impermanence of this world coming and going from a non-dual state.
Everything literally happens within Awareness.

Respectfully
Chris

[loveoflife]

Posted by Selkie (here)

Posted by loveoflife (here)
Imagine that there is one energy with two polarities, two sides of a coin. Simultaneous oneness and difference.

Instead of aligning with one aspect of duality or the other transcend the polarities while retaining individuality.

Well of course.

However, it means that duality is real...that it is a real aspect of the universe...and not imaginary, as some people would like us to believe. We could not even imagine oneness if there was not duality to contrast it with.

Posted by greybeard (here)

Posted by Selkie (here)

Posted by loveoflife (here)
Imagine that there is one energy with two polarities, two sides of a coin. Simultaneous oneness and difference.

Instead of aligning with one aspect of duality or the other transcend the polarities while retaining individuality.

Well of course.

However, it means that duality is real...that it is a real aspect of the universe...and not imaginary, as some people would like us to believe. We could not even imagine oneness if there was not duality to contrast it with.

One can imagine and dream many things---smiling broadly.
No limits to what the "mind of God" can come up with"

There are many books on non-duality that are written by those who are in that state.
Ancient text too.
That is first hand compelling evidence for me.

There is of course compelling evidence for duality and individuality.

Having started of believing in being an individual me, I get that.
Then having spent time reading, meditating, following the advice of Ramana Maharshi (self enquiry) First and foremost find out who/what you are, slowly but surely I have come to believe what I have expressed here. There is only one without a second and I am That.

Best wishes to all
Chris

I said imagine to introduce the concept of simultaneous oneness and difference, as it is not usually considered among the proliferation of philosophies around oneness like advaita and buddhism.

Simultaneous oneness and difference or 'Achintya-Bheda-Abheda' from the sanskrit. It translates as INCONCEIVABLE simultaneous oneness and difference and is a philosophy of the Vedanta school of Hinduism. It is described there as the nature and quality of the soul in its transcendent state, this is a dualistic transcendent philosophy as opposed to monist. The vedantists claim that it goes beyond oneness to include eternal co existing individuality. Individuality which is lost upon merging with the one or Brahman, or even into the void and cessation of existence as believed by some; a buddhist concept.

There is of course much dispute between the Vedanta and Mayavadi schools as to which state is the highest or absolute.

When considering all these philosophies, i would also recommend investigating the gnostic concept of demurge and the false light, of which many now like to refer to as the matrix but on a cosmic astral level of existence. It may explain for some where all these philosophies that are at variance come from.


There is truth in all these belief systems and they all seem to agree that the basis of all experience comes from desire (kamah). Be careful what you desire as you will get it, though in a world predominated by illusion (maya) it may not be what you expect.

I would go further and say that all these states of liberation (moksha) from so called material existence do exist and many from the different schools like to argue that theirs is the only way, or the right way or the highest. Its not a case or either/or but of both/and...

If they are actually liberation and eternal states of existence is also in question when considering this illusion matrix illusion of the demiurge, of whom it said created all the religions and various philosophical schools of thought.

My advice is be wary of hierarchies and those who put themselves above us in this life or the next.

[Selkie]

Posted by loveoflife (here)
...Simultaneous oneness and difference or 'Achintya-Bheda-Abheda' from the sanskrit. It translates as INCONCEIVABLE simultaneous oneness and difference and is a philosophy of the Vedanta school of Hinduism.

Here we go again: duality. We conceive of things and it is through the ability to conceive of things that we become aware that there of things of which we cannot conceive. It seems to be that only by being aware of duality can we conceive of oneness in the first place.

Posted by loveoflife (here)
My advice is be wary of hierarchies and those who put themselves above us in this life or the next.

I would certainly agree with that.

[loveoflife]

Posted by greybeard (here)


From my perspective they are one and contained within the One


Perhaps a good example is the Ocean--individual waves come and go-- they are still the ocean but their seeming separate identity is an illusion.
The wave never left the Ocean.
The magnet is still the magnet regardless of which end/"polarity" is viewed--the action is in essence the same energy doing different things.

The mind uses words to organise and file what is happening and this is useful.
Awareness does not need any label to observe and fully experience.
It just sees the impermanence of this world coming and going from a non-dual state.
Everything literally happens within Awareness.

Respectfully
Chris

I am playing devils advocate here.

Everything that you said there Chris about the ocean can be interpreted that they are all one. Yet from a dualistic transcendent perspective when using the analogy of the drop of water upon merging with the ocean becomes the the ocean, this is true yet in dualism acintya bedha...... the drop also remains the drop. This is the inconceivable part, inconceivable because it transcends the understanding of the mind and materialistic conception.