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    4. How did TPTB get 'enemies' such as Russia, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan and North Korea etc. to play along and use the SAME tests?
    If they didn't use these tests the illnesses and deaths could simply be attributed as flu illnesses/deaths, on par with the numbers collated each year for seasonal flu.

    Why are these 'rogue' countries so anxious to play along with this game, if there is no virus?
    Or even if they believe there is a virus, why are they using their "enemies" testing kits and locking down their countries to their own country's demise?
    It is hard to say, but firstly, they didn't? If first detected in China, would it not be, how did China get everyone else to see the same thing?

    The other end of the stick is that, most of these places at first did not understand anything about the insidious spread of Rockefeller medicine and tentacles of finance like the IMF, and the subterfuge of western NGOs--like our parents. At least I am pretty sure my previous generations did not "get" what that stuff is or they would have never allowed it, and, similarly, it was not until the 1990s that these countries started realizing it actually is a very serious non-military threat. So most of their medical and financial systems are the same system.

    I do not think in 2019 any western power somehow made Iran and China "behave appropriately", they simply went with the resources they had, which give similar results. In the case of Iran, it certainly was not "like seasonal flu", in about forty-eight hours they went from normal to hospitals stuffed with new patients.

    These countries are only "rogues" according to a narrative. I am not sure any of them are causing their own demise, in fact, they are like phoenixes, having shown their ability to come back from every kind of horror for centuries. If Wuhan itself turned into a cemetery, people would get excited about it, but it would not really affect China.

    The flu is already not understood or prevented, but, we are seeing something which is simply way more contagious. Do 5G towers have a whole lot to do with ships at sea? No, but any confined population seems to get 50% or more infected very quickly.

    I can't really say anything about the cause or how the disease works, other than it seems quite possible it did not spontaneously arise in China on one person and take over the world. Why could not two or more of the same thing start in say, France and New York, independently?

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    I have read at least once about the possibility that those who received the flu shot this year had a 37% greater chance of getting COVID. Has anyone else seen anything along these lines? There was also the report of mandatory vaccinations prior to Italy’s severe outbreak...given the questionable components in any vaccine, this really raises red flags for me. Any thoughts?

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    I would guess that proximity to infections is what increases one's chance of coming down with something, but whatever was in a vaccine is probably going to make it worse. Perhaps that is the meaning of the 37%, the difference between immune/asymptomatic people, and those who complain.

    I believe vaccinations stole the credit from basic sanitation and the American Cancer Society became the leading fraud in the rollout of Rockefeller medicine. The rest of the epidemics and treatments are questionable since they are something of a continuous flow, as said in an excerpt from Virus Mania (2007):

    "The hypothesis that cancer might be caused by viruses was formulated in 1903, more than one century ago. Even today it has never been convincingly demonstrated...However by 1980 the failure of this line of research was becoming embarrassingly evident, and the closing of some viraloncology laboratories would have been inevitable, except that…

    Except what? Virus cancer research would have crashed to a halt except that, in 1981, five cases of severe immune deficiencies were described by a Los Angeles physician, all among homosexual men who were also all sniffing amyl nitrite, were all abusing other drugs, abusing antibiotics, and probably suffering from malnutrition and STDs (sexually transmitted diseases). It would have been logical to hypothesize that these severe cases of immune deficiency had multiple toxic origins. This would have amounted to incrimination of these patients’ life-style…

    Unfortunately, such discrimination was, politically, totally unacceptable. Therefore, another hypothesis had to be found—these patients were suffering from a contagious disease caused by a new…retrovirus! Scientific data in support of this hypothesis was and, amazingly enough, still is totally missing. That did not matter, and instantaneous and passionate interest of cancer virus researchers and institutions erupted immediately. This was salvation for the viral laboratories where AIDS now became, almost overnight, the main focus of research."

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    Default Re: Covid19: Don't trust the statistics (or the science re the tests/the cause of the sickness)

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    Quote Posted by DaveToo (here)
    4. How did TPTB get 'enemies' such as Russia, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan and North Korea etc. to play along and use the SAME tests?
    If they didn't use these tests the illnesses and deaths could simply be attributed as flu illnesses/deaths, on par with the numbers collated each year for seasonal flu.

    Why are these 'rogue' countries so anxious to play along with this game, if there is no virus?
    Or even if they believe there is a virus, why are they using their "enemies" testing kits and locking down their countries to their own country's demise?
    It is hard to say, but firstly, they didn't? If first detected in China, would it not be, how did China get everyone else to see the same thing?
    Well I was discounting China as an aberration.
    Once the WHO took over the entire show, by declaring a pandemic, they basically led the narrative and decrees up until now.
    It can't be a coincidence that virtually every country in the world is not only locking down their entire country but also using the exact same unique Covid language and protocols (social distancing, self-isolation, quarantine, face masks, gloves etc.).

    Listen to the leaders of most countries. They are all reading from the exact same script, sometimes, literally.

    What puzzles me is why countries such as Russia, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan and North Korea etc. are also following this script.

    Quote I do not think in 2019 any western power somehow made Iran and China "behave appropriately", they simply went with the resources they had, which give similar results.
    China certainly was ahead of the curve leading the way with their Draconian measures. But given their type of government, it wasn't really surprising.


    Quote These countries are only "rogues" according to a narrative. I am not sure any of them are causing their own demise, in fact, they are like phoenixes, having shown their ability to come back from every kind of horror for centuries. If Wuhan itself turned into a cemetery, people would get excited about it, but it would not really affect China.
    I wasn't suggesting they were causing their demise as far as the disease is concerned, but rather by the 'cure' they have chosen to implement.
    They could easily have followed the examples of Sweden, South Korea, Belarus, Mexico, Japan, Taiwan, Australia etc.

    Quote The flu is already not understood or prevented, but, we are seeing something which is simply way more contagious.
    Well let's expand on this.
    How can you say that Covid-19 is "way more contagious" than the flu?
    What basis do you have for saying this? Did the MSM tell you this?

    Let's look at the raw numbers to date and the avg. flu numbers, from the WHO and CDC:

    Covid-19 cases; 4,101,780
    Covid-19 deaths; 280,443
    Seasonal flu cases (avg); 1,000,000,000 (billion)
    Seasonal flu deaths (avg); 390,000 - 650,000


    Quote Do 5G towers have a whole lot to do with ships at sea? No, but any confined population seems to get 50% or more infected very quickly.
    We don't have many examples yet of 5G ships, but fortunately we do have the Diamond Princess cruise ship.
    3711 passengers and crew.
    712 cases. (19%) (not 50%)
    13 deaths.

    5G was installed and being used on that ship and could easily explain the cases and deaths.

    Quote I can't really say anything about the cause or how the disease works, other than it seems quite possible it did not spontaneously arise in China on one person and take over the world. Why could not two or more of the same thing start in say, France and New York, independently?
    I agree with you that it is highly unlikely that the disease spread from one person around the world.
    The questions are:
    Is this a disease that is spreading from person to person?
    Or are there environmental causes for the disease?
    How does the flu spread around the world each year?

    One thing is certain. It is not the deadly disease that everyone feared/predicted.

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    Default Re: Covid19: Don't trust the statistics (or the science re the tests/the cause of the sickness)

    In 1962 the pandemic Hong Kong H3N2 virus killed over 1 million people world wide and over 100,000 Americans. Instead of shutting down everything and making peoples lives miserable they had Woodstock

    The viruses do exist and have done for hundreds of years... http://https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/...es/PMC2918871/

    They are a group of viruses that cause the common cold. this also includes Rhino virus MERS, Sars etc. It was originally thought to have transferred to humans from cattle.

    The most recent video was released to aged care providers in NZ advises that C19 does not affect the healthy adult population but elderly immuno compromised (with tenuous links to low Vit D). It has a low morbidity (death) rate. The media are claiming it affects children however this appears to be Kawasaki disease

    85% of the population who test positive have no symptoms a further 10% have symptoms of a cold (fever, shortness of breath may have runny nose and reduced sense of smell)

    USA - the rate is currently 0.3% death rate of total population. This is very small. (while that is incredibly sad - compared with Influenza the USA can expect any year to have a death rate of 40 - 60,000 people a year - we accept that and dont shut down anything. TB (Tuberculosis) causes in excess of a 1.5 million deaths per year - its an incredibly contagious disease - and again no one blinks an eye

    Hospitals around the world are running at much reduced capacity as they have stopped surgeries, consultation and visits. People are not being seen who need to be and I suspect there will be ramifications of negligence as a result - but who knows, they can do anything they want apparently

    Something is very odd about all of this and many health providers are asking a lot of uncomfortable questions.
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    Default Re: Covid19: Don't trust the statistics (or the science re the tests/the cause of the sickness)

    What kills this thread are those who are or who know others who are affected by this thing. It makes it difficult to discuss the topic in a sensitive manner. How can we validate our stance without calling the plight of others into question?

    It is hard to understand the science behind this because our science is lead by the nose by vested interests sometimes in direct conflict with the truth, or with a hard financial incentive to restrict the truth.

    It is a sad commentary to admit that our entire edifice of knowledge is corrupt, but it is so.

    We have faith in our authorities, in any discipline, to search for, test, and then deliver results in an unbiased, honorable fashion. Unfortunately, this has been a mistake.

    Yet the challenge of recruiting honorable people and expect them to do their jobs efficiently is surprisingly daunting: if we must prove to ourselves every postulate ever proposed by an authority then we would never move forward.

    Perhaps it is time to revisit a few key areas of study to see if we have the right fundamentals. Instead of taking the word of ambitious men, maybe we should set up a panel of laymen and women to oversee the study, to keep the authorities honest.

    While we're at it we might want to take a look at our patent laws, that encourage secrecy and foul play.

    There are many ancient edifices that must be scrutinized because it is these institutions that have lead us to where we are today. If they are not directly responsible for our current plight, they most certainly were not helpful.

    We cannot expect every generation to check our facts before adding to them. We must ensure future generations have solid data with irrefutable conclusions to draw on so that their work does not teeter on a foundation of suppositions and assumptions masquerading as fact.

    Although we cannot repeatedly reinvent the wheel, we can develop better ways of getting 'around'.

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    Well I was discounting China as an aberration.
    Once the WHO took over the entire show, by declaring a pandemic, they basically led the narrative and decrees up until now.
    It can't be a coincidence that virtually every country in the world is not only locking down their entire country but also using the exact same unique Covid language and protocols (social distancing, self-isolation, quarantine, face masks, gloves etc.).

    Listen to the leaders of most countries. They are all reading from the exact same script, sometimes, literally.

    What puzzles me is why countries such as Russia, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan and North Korea etc. are also following this script.
    I do not really know. If it is a "World" organization that most countries voluntarily follow, then it may be a rare scene of cooperation. There are truly only a very few enemies in the world, Iran v. Israel, or Yemen v. Saudi Arabia, and otherwise, most of those appearances come to "resource management" where people, borders, etc., are merely statistics. In terms of health, they probably actually do see WHO as a valid authority. The other side is quite possibly, if you want something from IMF, obey WHO. Then you get your IMF, and obey that, or they scarf you as happened to Greece. So there is a bit of strong arm, and a whole lot of nobody really knows what they're doing, but accepts a hospital as a savior.

    Afghanistan can hardly be accused of having a medical system or a central authority, so, aside from financial considerations, I do not think WHO is an enforcer, or that a doctor is in charge, except to the extent countries surrender to it. WHO has unsavory sources of finance, and IMF is denying, for example, Iran and Zimbabwe. The situation in Africa is such that they really need to get away from it or from the dual role of IMF of "yes, money, but...".

    This "lockdown" is very variable, places like Israel and Spain sound very literal about it, but I do not have police throwing everyone off the street. This is more like "interruption of normal business", which should have some other name; none of our sheriffs are likely to support anything draconian except maybe a curfew.


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    I wasn't suggesting they were causing their demise as far as the disease is concerned, but rather by the 'cure' they have chosen to implement.
    They could easily have followed the examples of Sweden, South Korea, Belarus, Mexico, Japan, Taiwan, Australia etc.
    I am just not aware that Russia, Iran, etc., are shut down in a "broken" way; Iran continues to invent products and increase its exports by tons. Sweden, although not legally locked, is, voluntarily, mostly shut down, many businesses running around 20% capacity, so, they are not necessarily shining on that aspect. Mexico is facing strikes by letting people work, and the U. S. is not far from it. This is strange, since, in the population itself, there is both "let me work" and "don't make me work", and the "dont's" tend to come from places where they see co-workers die (Mexico) or just test positive (U. S.).

    I have not heard of flu deaths causing people to try to avoid work.

    The demise of famine that may follow on the back end of this is no joke.




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    Well let's expand on this.
    How can you say that Covid-19 is "way more contagious" than the flu?
    What basis do you have for saying this? Did the MSM tell you this?

    Let's look at the raw numbers to date and the avg. flu numbers, from the WHO and CDC:

    Covid-19 cases; 4,101,780
    Covid-19 deaths; 280,443
    Seasonal flu cases (avg); 1,000,000,000 (billion)
    Seasonal flu deaths (avg); 390,000 - 650,000




    I agree with you that it is highly unlikely that the disease spread from one person around the world.
    The questions are:
    Is this a disease that is spreading from person to person?
    Or are there environmental causes for the disease?
    How does the flu spread around the world each year?

    One thing is certain. It is not the deadly disease that everyone feared/predicted.
    No, it is not that deadly, but besides Diamond Princess, look at aircraft carriers, prisons, nursing homes. They have significantly higher rates. I am not aware that populations en masse are tested for flu, and again, even with that, I could be an asymptomatic carrier and walk around hitting the vulnerable with deadly force.

    If there are four million "verified" cases, the real figure is closer to twenty million. The testing thing is like chasing water downhill, it never will catch up, and seems like a waste, unless you really know how to treat your very sick positives.

    One reason I think disease spreads from person to person is that I can feel it. That is why I was after first-hand experience with this, but, it is hard to get, at least for a few weeks until re-opening.

    Concerning the spread, which here, is completely linear, it looks to me like we simply have about 500 hospital beds permanently assigned to the cause. No way to stop it, but, even though it is a fast spread, by the time there are new patients old ones recover, so it is self-limiting by not lasting for months or years. If we don't know the background, mechanisms, and so forth of the new disease, if we find places with patients attributed to it, the end result shows us something spread and must be at least a little bit dangerous. We have perhaps one local death outside of nursing homes, but in black communities, it is more, so again I don't think it follows arbitrary averages, but is more "hit or miss".

    We also would tend not to think yearly flu starts on one person and goes around the world hitting a billion. What is it doing in the off season? Waiting? Doesn't it just go dormant, so you get ten million dormancies erupting? Likewise, coronavirus could have been in some dormant state all over the place until something--5G, air pollution, or a bird going the wrong way--gave it a green light.

    I don't know that much about disease, since all of my focus would be on the immune system--this is something you actually need, so it should be promoted. We could say, categorically, the medical system tends to wipe it out. I would tend to hold with Madagascar, "drink this tea"--no scientific evidence says it cures Covid, but it does say that it is highly effective against SARS. With Tanzania's test of the test, and Madagascar's tea made from a secret ingredient that grows almost everywhere in the world and costs about three dollars for thousands of seeds, that is more or less my answer. I am not in the hospital business and would not let them treat anything besides traumatic injury, never a disease of any kind.

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    What kills this thread are those who are or who know others who are affected by this thing. It makes it difficult to discuss the topic in a sensitive manner. How can we validate our stance without calling the plight of others into question?
    Good comments Ernie.
    I don't think comments by others who know someone affected by CV kills this thread.

    People are dying of diseases every day. They have for millennia.

    The argument of course for this one, is that it is a 'special' disease.
    It is alleged to be an infectious respiratory disease and therefore
    must be treated differently than non-transmissible diseases; ie. it is much
    more potentially dangerous.

    But that argument goes out the window as soon as we compare it to other
    infectious respiratory diseases such as the seasonal flu and TB.

    There were more than 10 million cases of TB in 2018 resulting in 1.5 million deaths.
    making it the number one cause of death from an infectious disease.

    The 2018 TB numbers carry forward to the present day and so it is still the number one cause of death from an infectious disease, far greater than the flu or Covid-19.

    Yet TB is not sexy. It doesn't get any respect, or wall-to-wall, 24/7 MSM news coverage.
    The world doesn't go into lockdown.
    The world economies don't tank each year.

    Why?

    Maybe, just maybe it is because more than 95% of the deaths occur in developing countries?

    And Ernie it is possible to show respect and compassion for those affected by this CV disease
    and at the same time call into question the testing and Draconian measures that have been put
    in place around the world.

    I don't see how one necessarily invalidates the other.

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    I believe the 39% increase in Covid complications among those with flu vaccination came from a Chinese study in Wuhan. I am attempting to find the study online. Many studies have disappeared after making a quick appearance!

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    Quote Posted by ahamkara (here)
    I believe the 39% increase in Covid complications among those with flu vaccination came from a Chinese study in Wuhan. I am attempting to find the study online. Many studies have disappeared after making a quick appearance!
    I agree with your conclusion. My sister became deathly ill with all the markers of covid in September 2019 after receiving the flu shot. She was hospitalized 2 x the following 2 months. Pneumonia and sepsis, reasons unknown.
    She is a health care provider.

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    I have read at least once about the possibility that those who received the flu shot this year had a 37% greater chance of getting COVID. Has anyone else seen anything along these lines? There was also the report of mandatory vaccinations prior to Italy’s severe outbreak...given the questionable components in any vaccine, this really raises red flags for me. Any thoughts?
    Have you seen any of Dr. Mikovits's remarks on this subject? See the 15:32 mark of this video. In multiple interviews she has explained the fall 2019 flu vaccine administered in Italy was not sufficiently tested for safety and combined four strains of attenuated virus, including H1N1. Sounds like an experiment gone bad to me... and possibly a cover-up.

    Instead of chasing after the Holy Grail vaccine remedy, scientists should be studying correlations with COVID deaths, including a correlation with the flu shot. If we honestly wanted to understand what the hell is going on it would be relatively easy to determine how many COVID cases are associated with the flu shot or some other vaccine, or something entirely other, but that would not be a study any of its sponsors would want brought to the light of day, so I'm sure no such study will surface any time soon.

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    Quote Posted by DaveToo (here)

    Yet TB is not sexy. It doesn't get any respect, or wall-to-wall, 24/7 MSM news coverage.
    The world doesn't go into lockdown.
    The world economies don't tank each year.

    Why?

    Maybe, just maybe it is because more than 95% of the deaths occur in developing countries?
    That seems to be the going explanation.

    In the slippery question of who is telling WHO to do what, Iran is exporting its own serological test to countries on three continents. This is while they are unable to buy basic medicine, and the IMF will not deal with them. That is about as independent of an answer as you can get as to why are my hospitals cramming with sick people. And so instead the WHO turns around and says Iran is doing a pretty good job.

    In terms of verifying whether their test is any good, or only a flimsy excuse for police authority, is beyond me.

    I would find it difficult to believe there is an element of orchestration that intentionally provided Iran with a key to solve a global disaster that had been intentionally made somewhere. Whatever they have represents their own ingenuity. They are validly dealing with a noticeable death rate but, even so, they have worked up some spare hospital space, so whatever it is, is manageable.

    Wuhan--using whatever they use to make their particular claim--says they have found five cases. Rather than "outbreak central", it seems to me it will be more accurate to describe it as the "discovery place", was probably already world-wide and nobody had figured out anything new was going on. Seoul, comparatively, got over sixty and closed the entertainment district. Whether tracking 3,000 people from the venues in order to test everyone is worthwhile, I am not sure, but they have the means to try and do it.

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    People are dying with the disease not because of it. There is a massive push to put anything that could be C19 on a death cert. The figures quoted are utter bull****. Not only that, but because no-one had testing at the start, people were PRESUMED to have it and reported as positive. If you presented to your GP with a sore throat, that was marked positive to the authorities. Today they state that 97% have recovered from it and we have 2 new cases today - both nurses from an aged care facility.

    All our cases can be traced back to tourists and subsequently passed on in large gatherings. (wedding, stag do, convention, Ruby princess disembarking etc)

    NZ is coming out of lockdown on Thursday. No masks required in public. Shops are opening, schools next week and pubs in 2 weeks. No more that 10 people at any public gathering and we have to social distancing. They wont be able to police that

    Given the flagrant disregard for Level 3 and 4, i cannot see this will change for Level 2. So we are pretty much back to normal. If they had they not made this decision today there would have been a huge public backlash against the Government in an election year. The Budget is due Thursday as well. Its all timing and an entire waste of time resources and money. Who is going to pay for all the extra billions being spent on the much needed economic recovery? No doubt the sucker taxpayer again. Are we heading for a recession, well i guess we will see in a week or so - my guess is probably unless the budget pulls something significant out of the hat

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    Link to NZ & Australia death certificates based on WHO requirements

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    Quote Posted by wondering (here)
    I have read at least once about the possibility that those who received the flu shot this year had a 37% greater chance of getting COVID. Has anyone else seen anything along these lines? There was also the report of mandatory vaccinations prior to Italy’s severe outbreak...given the questionable components in any vaccine, this really raises red flags for me. Any thoughts?
    I don't know anything about the source of this piece but the theory is certainly worth exploring.

    Quote Does the flu shot increase the risk for coronavirus infection?

    There is evidence that influenza vaccines specifically increase the risk of coronavirus infection. Here is why, a phenomenon known as virus interference. Yes, it appears that the flu shot protects against influenza and it appears some other types of viruses as well, but it comes at a price of actually increasing the risk for coronavirus infections. That is exactly what a study that compared the respiratory virus status among 2,880 Department of Defense personnel based on their influenza vaccination status demonstrated. The study concluded “Vaccine derived virus interference was significantly associated with coronavirus.”

    Could a new flu vaccine be partly responsible for the COVID-19 mortality rate in Italy?


    In case you are not aware, the infection rate mortality rate in Italy to COVID-19 is dramatically higher. Why? Well the standard answers of an elderly population and the failure to implement social distancing soon enough just don’t explain what is happening. My colleague, Dr. Alex Vasquez, provided me with a valuable insight. In September 2019, Italy rolled out an entirely new type of influenza vaccine. This vaccine called VIQCC is different than others. Most available influenza vaccines are produced in embryonated chicken eggs. VIQCC, however, is produced from cultured animal cells rather than eggs and has more of a “boost” to the immune system as a result. VIQCC also contains four types of viruses – 2 type A viruses (H1N1 and H3N2) and 2 type B viruses.2 It looks like this “super” vaccine impacted the immune system in such a way to increase coronavirus infection through virus interference that set the stage for what happened in Italy.

    https://doctormurray.com/does-the-fl...ovid-19-risk/#

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    "Global vaccination market revenue worldwide is projected to reach $59.2 billion by 2020; this number may well increase with the arrival of Covid–19.

    The British Government’s investment in GAVI alongside vaccine promoter Bill Gates must, again, raise the issue of conflicts of interest. To what extent is the British Government protecting its own assets in forcing the lockdown upon its population? Vaccines are set to be a major source of income for the world’s largest pharmaceutical corporations, and the British Government is invested in that lucrative future."


    *****

    Who controls the British Government response to Covid–19?

    Vanessa Beeley for Off Guardian May 9th, 2020

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    "The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants”
    Albert Camus

    As Britain hurtles headlong towards neo-feudalist governance with heightened surveillance, micro-management of society and an uptick in fascistic policing of the draconian measures imposed to combat the “threat” of Covid–19, it is perhaps time to analyse the real forces behind this “new normal”.

    There is now serious doubt over the correlation between lockdown and saving lives. Reality is creeping into the Covid–19 dialogue.

    It is becoming apparent that people are getting sick because they are being isolated and effectively living under house arrest, condemned as “murderers” if they so much as think about breaking curfew, being snitched on by neighbours for “gathering” more than two people together in their back gardens.

    The following graph was produced by UK Column and demonstrates the lack of correlation between lockdown and “saving lives”:

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    The numbers game is acting in many instances as a smokescreen. It is impossible to rely upon “official” statistics, that vary wildly from one website to another: statistics that rely upon unreliable and sporadic testing procedures. and based upon death certificates that misrepresent the actual cause of death as Covid–19, regardless of pre-existing medical conditions.

    Statistics, too, that were set in stone very early on in the development stages, when the perspective was limited and compressed, before a true picture could be seen. The newly emerging statistics are now increasingly undermining initial conclusions and pointing to the futility and negative consequences of lockdown.



    It is now accepted that there is a high mortality rate among the elderly in care homes in the UK and globally — among the same elderly civilians who are being “asked” to sign DNRs (Do Not Resuscitate) forms.

    This amounts to signing their own death warrant, should they present any of the Covid–19 symptoms. They will be neglected, isolated from their families when at their most vulnerable and left alone to die, even though it is possible that they have not contracted the virus.



    Instead of offering proactive and positive suggestions that will enable our immune systems to combat the disease, the British Government is ensuring conditions that will suppress immune systems to dangerous levels and create the perfect environment for Covid–19 to flourish.

    Britain has now received an estimated 1.4 million new benefit claims for welfare payments, “about seven times the normal level”. The government has pledged to bail out “80% of pay of workers who are temporarily laid off” but I have personally spoken to self-employed individuals who find themselves falling between the cracks that qualify them for financial support and now face an indefinite period of time without income.

    These measures are being imposed in a country that, since 2012, has seen an exponential growth in child poverty to potentially sub-Victorian levels.

    In March 2019, the number of children living in “absolute poverty” grew by a staggering 200,000 in a twelve-month period, to a total of 3.7 million. How will this number be further impacted by lockdown?

    How did we arrive at this point? Who steered the UK Government towards this questionable and alarmist lockdown policy?

    The unexamined assumption is that conclusions were formed on the basis of sound epidemiological analysis and research by doctors and scientists who care about our welfare.

    The reality is what we will examine in this article. Neil Ferguson, a professor at Imperial College, was responsible for the modelling of a response to Covid–19. His virtual model was recommended by the World Health Organisation (WHO) and it passed through into policy with virtually no scrutiny.

    Ferguson’s dramatic prediction of 500,000 deaths in the UK became the foundation of Boris Johnson’s U-turn from herd immunity to collective quarantine.

    While some understood that Ferguson later reduced his mortality calculations, he actually doubled down on his projections on Twitter, insisting that without drastic lockdown measures being taken, the numbers would be even higher.

    Who is Neil Ferguson?

    Ferguson is acting director of the Vaccine Impact Modelling Consortium (VIMC), which is based at Imperial College in London. According to Ferguson’s biography on the website, “much of [his] work is applied, informing disease control policy-making by public and global health institutions.”

    The professor who derailed Johnson’s semblance of “herd immunity” strategy is no stranger to controversy and is described as having a “patchy” record of modelling pandemics by one of his academic peers, Professor Michael Thrusfield of Edinburgh University, an expert in animal diseases.

    Ferguson was instrumental in the modelling of the British Government’s response to Foot and Mouth Disease (FMD) in 2001, which Thrusfield describes as “not fit for purpose” (2006) and “seriously flawed” (2012).

    Thrusfield has highlighted the limitations of Ferguson’s mathematical modelling methods, and applied the doubts he expressed over FMD to the current Covid–19 “crisis” response.

    An estimated twelve million animals were slaughtered as a result of Ferguson’s 2001 initiative. The farming community was devastated by suicides and bankruptcies that irretrievably altered the landscape of British agriculture — forcing healthy smallholdings into agri-corporate mergers and empowering the EU central governance in the agricultural sector.

    Insight: Slaughtered on Suspicion, a documentary made by UK Column in 2015, provides a shocking insight into the suffering precipitated by Ferguson’s model and the “new normal” imposed upon Britain’s farming community. The following is a statement made by one of the contributors to the programme:

    "12,000,000 animals [Meat & Livestock Commission statistic] were slaughtered but that did not include lambs at foot, aborted lambs, calves or piglets. Further, tens of thousands of chickens were slaughtered in the early months — on welfare grounds, apparently. 88% of all animals slaughtered had not contracted FMD
    [source: Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs].

    Great Orton airfield was used to slaughter sheep under the “voluntary” cull: that was anything but voluntary, and farmers not participating were ruthlessly threatened. There was only one mild case of FMD recorded from the thousands of blood tests done at Great Orton
    [source: DEFRA].

    There was a travelator that ran from the slaughter tent at Great Orton to the graves. This ran 16 hours a day, transporting “dead” young lambs. Slaughtermen working there told me that many of the lambs were buried alive.

    The man that advised Blair during this fiasco was, as many will know, Prof. Ferguson of Imperial College. He was [reportedly] sacked by DEFRA late on during the epidemic, but the damage had been done! Prof Ferguson was awarded an OBE in 2002 for his work during FMD 2001.”
    [Emphasis added]


    In 2002, Ferguson predicted that up to 50,000 people would die from variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, better known as “mad cow disease”, increasing to 150,000 if the epidemic expanded to include sheep.

    The reality is:
    Since 1990, 178 people in the United Kingdom have died from vCJD, according to the National CJD Research & Surveillance Unit at the University of Edinburgh.” [2017]
    In 2005, Ferguson claimed that up to 200 million people would be killed by bird-flu or H5N1.

    By early 2006, the WHO had only linked 78 deaths to the virus, out of 147 reported cases.

    In 2009, Ferguson and his team at Imperial College advised the government that swine flu or H1N1 would probably ]kill 65,000 people in the UK

    In the end, swine flu claimed the lives of 457 people in the UK.

    Now, in 2020, Ferguson and Imperial College have released a report which claims that half a million Britons and 2.2 million Americans may be killed by Covid–19.

    The report has still not been peer-reviewed; despite this and Ferguson’s glaring record of mathematical sensationalism, the British Government has adopted the devastating socio-economic lockdown that Ferguson has proposed.

    WHY IS THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT SO QUICK TO FOLLOW FERGUSON’S PLAN?
    1. GAVI and Imperial College
    The VIMC is hosted by the Department of Infectious Disease Epidemiology at Imperial College. VIMC is funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and by “GAVI, the vaccine alliance” (GAVI’s own title for itself).

    Bill and Melinda Gates began funding Imperial College in 2006, four years before the Gates Foundation launched the Global Health Leaders Launch Decade of Vaccines Collaboration (GHLLDVC) and one year after Ferguson had demonstrated his penchant for overblown projections on mortality numbers from H5N1.

    Up to the end of 2018, the Gates Foundation has sponsored Imperial College with a whopping $185 million.

    That makes Gates the second-largest sponsor, beaten to the top spot on the podium by the Wellcome Trust, a British research charity which began funding Imperial College prior to Ferguson’s FMD débâcle and which, by the end of 2018, had already provided Imperial with over $400 million in funding. I will examine the Wellcome Trust’s connections in part two of this series.

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    Wellcome trust also has a focus on global immunization programmes
    .

    The Gates Foundation established the GHLLDVC in collaboration with the WHO, UNICEF and the US National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID). The following is taken from the Gates Foundation website:
    The Global Vaccine Action Plan will enable greater coordination across all stakeholder groups – national governments, multilateral organizations, civil society, the private sector and philanthropic organizations — and will identify critical policy, resource, and other gaps that must be addressed to realize the life-saving potential of vaccines.
    The Collaboration’s leadership council at the time included the Director-General of the WHO, the Director of NIAID, the Director of UNICEF, the President of Gates Foundation Global Health, and the Chair of the African Malaria Alliance.

    The steering committee included the Director of Immunisation, the UK Department of Health, and many other representatives from the WHO, UNICEF and associated organisations. It is a cluster of immunisation-focused individuals controlling the policy of world health governing bodies, who claim to be neutral.

    The WHO was nominated as the “directing and coordinating authority on international health within the United Nations system” and was set up to be responsible for “shaping the health research agenda”, among other tasks linked to the policy of global immunisation.

    UNICEF, the “world’s largest provider of vaccines for developing countries” has on-the-ground access to children in over 150 territories and countries (2010).

    We are already seeing the potential for some serious conflict of interest behind the Ferguson model on Covid–19, and this will become even more apparent as the connections are now made to an entire pharmaceutical complex potentially protecting its own interests over any genuine concerns for the health and welfare of global populations.



    GAVI is funded and partnered by the same network that forms the GHLLDVC, with some noticeable additions: the World Bank and donor/implementing country governments. The Gates Foundation is a primary sponsor, but is topped by the British Government, which was instrumental in creating GAVI and is its largest donor.



    While many sectors of British society have seen their living standards plummet, with the elderly severely neglected, a National Health Service in decline and homelessness on the increase, the British Government, via UKAID, has pledged £1.44 billion to GAVI for 2016–2020 and will be hosting the 2020 GAVI pledging conference, which is due to take place in June 2020 to [emphasis added]:

    "...mobilise at least US$ 7.4 billion in additional resources to protect the next generation with vaccines, reduce disease inequality and create a healthier, safer and more prosperous world.”

    The conference promises to bring together political leaders, civil society, public and private donors, vaccine manufacturers and governments to support GAVI, the vaccine alliance — which boasts that it has “helped vaccinate almost half the world’s children against deadly and debilitating infectious diseases”.

    This claim will be met with praise from the pro-vaccine lobby but concerns over the efficacy and safety of these mass vaccination programmes must be taken into account, particularly when being tested in poorer, developing countries.

    Global vaccination market revenue worldwide is projected to reach $59.2 billion by 2020; this number may well increase with the arrival of Covid–19.

    The British Government’s investment in GAVI alongside vaccine promoter Bill Gates must, again, raise the issue of conflicts of interest. To what extent is the British Government protecting its own assets in forcing the lockdown upon its population? Vaccines are set to be a major source of income for the world’s largest pharmaceutical corporations, and the British Government is invested in that lucrative future.



    The GAVI replenishment conference is to be hosted by a British Government whose lockdown policy is effectively shattering the domestic economy and is collectively punishing the most vulnerable in British society.

    When Bill Gates partnered with GAVI twenty years ago, he had been considering where next to focus his philanthropy and was “increasingly focusing on the power and potential of vaccines”.

    It was Gates’ substantial sponsorship that launched GAVI, and ten years later Gates launched his own “vaccine decade” plan for the 2010s.

    The Global Vaccine Action Plan (GVAP) 2012–2020, endorsed by the 194 member states participating in the World Health Assembly (2012), is led by the same members of the Gates “vaccine decade” consortium, promoted by the WHO, and brings together governments, elected officials, health professionals, academia, manufacturers, global agencies, research and development, civil society, media and the private sector — to promote global immunisation.

    This is a profit-driven corporate complex harnessing the “humanitarian” sector to lend credence to the claims of philanthropy, or more realistically, philanthrocapitalism.

    [continued....]

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    Who controls the British Government response to Covid–19?
    Vanessa Beeley for Off Guardian May 9th, 2020

    [continued from this post]

    ******

    2. GAVI and ID2020



    A glance at the partner page of the GAVI website reveals that not only is GAVI heavily invested in immunisation campaigns, it is also closely connected to the Gates, Microsoft and Rockefeller Foundation seed-funded ID2020 project (Digital Identity Alliance), which incorporates Accenture, Microsoft (Gates), Ideo-Org and Rockefeller Foundation into the GAVI alliance, all with ties to the ID2020 initiative.

    ID2020 is promoting the concept that there is a need for universal biometric verification, because “to prove who you are is a fundamental and universal human right,” as asserted on the ID2020 website.

    An article by journalist Kurt Nimmo for Global Research dismantles the “humanitarian” alibi for tyranny.

    OffGrid Healthcare explains:

    What they really want is a fully standardized data collection and retrieval format, and cross-border sharing of identities of the entire population of the planet, in order for the stand-alone AI-powered command center to work without a hitch, and for purposes of calculating everyone’s potential contribution, and threat to the system.


    Nimmo describes the potential for Covid–19 to be used as cover for mandatory biometric ID. An April article carried by Reuters confirms the suspicion that biometric ID might soon be introduced, ostensibly to “help verify those who already had the infection and ensure the vulnerable get the vaccine when it is launched”. This may sound perfectly sensible to those who are buying the government strap-lines on Covid–19 but — as Nimmo warns us — “COVID–19 is the perfect Trojan horse for a control freak state itching to not only micromanage the lives of ordinary citizens but also ferret out critics and potential adversaries and punish them as enemies of the state.”

    Prashant Yadav, senior fellow at the US-based Center for Global Development, has said [Emphasis added]:

    "Biometric IDs can be a gamechanger. They can help governments target population segments e.g healthcare professionals or the elderly population, verify people who have received vaccination, and have a clear record."


    Such statements can easily be interpreted as the harbingers of mandatory vaccination and the inclusion of biometric ID in the “humanitarian” package.

    Martin Armstrong of Armstrong Technologies introduces an even more sinister projection into the mix.

    Armstrong talks about a digital certificate that verifies you have been vaccinated, developed by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) and Microsoft, which will merge with ID2020. Covid–19 will be exploited to encourage us to accept digital implants and tracking devices that will enable authorities to keep an eye on us.

    Armstrong argues that just as 9/11 conditioned us to accept X-ray booths at airports, now we will be chipped alongside our dogs and cats.

    At this point, it is worth remembering that UKAID is heavily involved in GAVI, and one presumes they are on board with the digital ID2020 project.

    Rob Laurence, director at UK-based Innovate Identity, presented proposals for the future of digital identity back in June 2019. The UK Government Verify scheme was identified as a fledgling version of the future of digital ID.

    Laurence describes the digital ID “ecosystem” that is emerging: Oliver Dowden, Minister for Implementation at the Cabinet Office (the British Government’s co-ordinating department), will form a new Digital ID Unit to “pave the way for the government to consume digital identities from the private sector”.

    Laurence describes 2020 as the “now-or-never year for government and industry to collaborate” in the creation of an “interoperable digital identity market”.

    Covid19 provides the opportunity that might just fulfil these predictions.

    It is no coincidence that a British start-up — Microsoft-funded Onfido — has recently raised $100 million to “boost its ID technology” to enable the creation of “immunity passports” for governments “battling coronavirus”.

    In December 2019, researchers at MIT created a: microneedle platform using fluorescent microparticles called quantum dots (QD) which can deliver vaccines and at the same time, invisibly encode vaccination history in the skin”: the QDs can be detected by specially adapted smartphones.

    The “new normal” will mean we are tracked and monitored by our own communication systems to an even greater and more intrusive extent.

    THE FUTURE IS BEING MODELLED — BUT NOT FOR OUR BENEFIT
    In part one of this two=part series, my intention has been to raise questions over who is driving the British Government response to Covid–19. Those who have influenced the lockdown policy have very clear conflict of interest question marks over their agenda.

    The scientific clique influencing government decisions is one that is incorporated into a for-profit Big Pharma industrial network which will, undeniably, benefit from the measures being taken by the British Government — a government that is financially embedded in the same complex.

    Why are the views of epidemiologists, doctors, scientists, analysts and health advisors who challenge the lockdown being ignored or censored by the media and by government? Why is the government not widening the circle of advisors to take into account these opposing perspectives that might bring an end to the misery that is a consequence of enforced quarantine?

    Off-Guardian has recorded these views here, here and here. It is also worth following Swiss Propaganda Research for regular updates on emerging analysis and statistics that you will not always find in the mainstream media.

    World Economic Forum report on the psychological experiment that is the Covid19 lockdown.
    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/...1pmLyPuNE-j954

    Instead, the British Government is effectively endorsing the breeding of distrust in society, the erosion of public assembly, the isolation and state-sanctioned euthanasia of the elderly, the emerging police state, snitch lines, loss of dignity and livelihoods, greater dependency upon the state for survival, depression, suicide and voluntary incarceration.

    An article in New York Times reports on the death toll in care homes which “reflect a global phenomenon” in a world under lockdown.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/16/w...ronavirus.html

    The UN has issued a warning that the economic downturn could “kill hundreds of thousands of children in 2020”.

    Gates, the WHO, the British Government and UNICEF are focused on global immunisation for a “pandemic” that is not living up to the alarmist virtual projections sponsored by Gates and the Big Pharma complex, while children really will start to die from malnutrition, neglect and a myriad of consequence of extreme poverty generated by the “steepest downturn since the Great Depression of the 1930s” (IMF).



    In part two, I will delve deeper into the interlocking interests of state and private corporate sectors that should not be interfering in policies which affect the welfare of British citizens.

    I will reveal how the same players are influencing the media response and ensuring that their interests are given the most powerful platforms to promote their agenda.

    The questions must be asked: Who is really in charge of the Covid–19 response? Who benefits most? Who will suffer most from the long term consequences?

    And who will provide respite from those consequences when the “pandemic” has disappeared from view?

    Originally published by UK Column. This is part one of a two-part article. We’ll be running the second part tomorrow, or you can read it here already.
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    Well Tintin
    You are really giving me ammunition --I mean information to share with media believing friends
    Thanks Chris
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    Interesting tid bits from WHO site

    https://www.who.int/classifications/...h_COVID-19.pdf

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    COVID INSANITY CONTINUES: US Has Seen No Increase in Overall Deaths in 2020 – Yet Americans Continue to Cede All God Given Rights to the State

    By Joe Hoft The Gateway Pundit
    Published May 9, 2020 at 7:15am


    Americans are faced with the following choice – continue to follow the government mandated lock down while watching their life savings erode (based on faulty projections and models regarding the China coronavirus) – or get back to work.

    In the movie the Matrix, the lead character, Neo, is faced with the stark reality – that we are all slaves. But Neo is given an opportunity. He is given a choice between taking a red pill or the blue pill. The red pill will allow Neo to the ability
    After this there is no turning back. You take the blue pill, your story ends. You wake up in bed and believe whatever you want to.

    You take the red pill and you stay in wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes. Remember, all I’m offering is the truth.”
    At the site Unconstrained Analytics, the Matrix is explained and today’s reaction to the China coronavirus as well:
    Real science neither requires nor asks for assent. In contrast, pseudo-sciences, demand obedience to the narratives they propagate — even when these narratives conflict with hard science.
    It’s time for America to wake up and look at the real numbers behind the China coronavirus. If we are truly experiencing a “historic” pandemic with unprecedented deaths then this should be obvious in the data. We should see our total deaths for the first four months of 2020 greatly exceed the previous years’ numbers where there was no pandemic, but this is not the case.

    The CDC website indicates U.S. death totals for 2015 through 2020 for the first four months of the year average (Jan – Apr) to be at 921,603. This year the total deaths during this period were 944,251 which is slightly more than average but slightly less than the number of deaths in 2017 (Note – to obtain below data we summed up all deaths for weeks 1 through 16 for each year from the data in the CDC website):



    We know that 99% of all COVID deaths are related to individuals with more than one other comorbidity (i.e. the individuals had cancer or some other medical condition). We also know that the majority of COVID deaths are those people over age 70.

    Children are virtually free from any risk of death from the China coronavirus. Healthy individuals under the age of 65 are also at very low risk.

    When looking at the data it is difficult to understand why the US (and the world for that matter) would close down their economies for this virus. The economies stayed open in 2017 and the number of deaths were greater.

    Americans need to take the red pill. It’s time to wake up and see that we were lied to and continue to be lied to. The current response to the coronavirus is madness. Liberty is at stake.

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    Default Re: Covid19: Don't trust the statistics (or the science re the tests/the cause of the sickness)

    The U.S perhaps has seen no AVERAGE increase in overall deaths. This is due to lockdown efforts, so the number of deaths, due to the virus, have been mitigated by prevention.

    Secondly, in densely populated areas that delayed lockdown deaths have increased significantly. If you observe charts for those areas you will see a pronounced hockey stick pattern. These numbers offset the average decrease in overall deaths you would see in normal times, if everyone was shut in.

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