WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

[Ewan]

Posted by Justplain (here)

I think that some of you Putin supporters have drunk too much of his koolaide.

I believe you are doing a good many Avalonians a disservice here. I am not sure anyone here would actually label themselves a Putin supporter. It is a question of 'right and wrong'.

From a historical perspective a lot of the infomation truly is in plain sight and Putin found himself pushed into a tight corner. This really is not too difficult to discover for oneself if one is prepared to look.
Hunting for resources that support your preconceptions is never a difficult task but it rarely produces an enlightening conclusion.

Unlike non-existant WMD in Iraq there really are Nazis in Ukraine and a beleaguered, bombed population in the Donetsk. Even the BBC ran a documentary around 2014, found earlier in the thread, about the problems Nazis were causing in Ukraine. Now they dismissively suggest there are none!

A long time ago an elderly Thai gentleman said to me that "we are all subjected to propaganda a lot of the time, but the difference between the West and the East is most of the West still don't realise they are being lied too.

In regards to Schwaab abd WEF you may be correct that it is all part of a bigger plan, but that does not change anything I wrote above.

Edgar Cayce

" What then of nations? In Russia there comes the hope of the world, not as that sometimes termed of the Communistic, of the Bolshevistic; no. But freedom, freedom! that each man will live for his fellow man! The principle has been born. It will take years for it to be crystallized, but out of Russia comes again the hope of the world. Guided by what? That friendship with the nation that hath even set on its present monetary unit "In God We Trust." (Do ye use that in thine own heart when you pay your just debts? Do ye use that in thy prayer when ye send thy missionaries to other lands? "I give it, for in God we trust"? Not for the other fifty cents either!) (3976-29)"

Intriguing as prophetic writings go, but outside the scope of this discussion I suppose.

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/mfa_russia/statu...94127314456579

https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1524268065302540288

https://twitter.com/elenaevdokimov7/...36559792979969

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/Tom_Fowdy/status...15891411447808

https://twitter.com/richimedhurst/st...05628628795400

[Michel Leclerc]

Posted by Mike Gorman (here)

(...)

Reptiles, I know this is a 'red herring' in many ways, we are familiar with the inter-species relationships we have, "ontogeny-recapitulates phylogeny" - or that we go through multiple species stages while we are embryos (!) so that we all possess aspects of the reptile deep within our brains: I have no idea if reports of reptile humanoid creatures are strictly accurate, but Biden's curled lip is more a revelation of his basic nature, aggressive and hostile rather than being a hidden clue of his reptilian biology: just my opinion, take it or not as you please.

Of course, dear Mike Gorman — I was being a little ironical, besides one could as well point to a sudden surge of his fundamentally canine nature (although also that would be an insult to my animal companions, this time to my spaniel friend)... "homo homini lupus"...

May I respond to a sentence belonging to your immediately preceding post? I mean your

“(...) extend compassion for the manipulated masses, which is also difficult (..)”

which I would readily agree with, but... I have observed the following: as long as somebody belonging to those masses (in our eyes) is under the impression that they are right and that "we", the unbinoculated ones, the boostless ones, are completely delusional, they will justify their point of view with the argument that they are independent thinkers, that they are completely rational about it, that their opinion is in no way the result of manipulation etc., whereas when they are caught being erroneous, mostly when one of their contentions is refuted neatly by facts (ex. cardiovascular deaths immediately after vaccination), they will defend themselves by pointing out how the media jump too easily to conclusions and by their "lust for news" are prone to error and that in this case (and in this case only) they have been misled by them... this facile switching of argumentation type is a little suspect to me and dries up my compassion tank in no time.

[kfm27917]

interesting description of tactical positions in the Donbass;
(german with english subtitles)

Krieg in der Ukraine: Die Schlacht um den Donbass

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=QJiuc4KWmQo

[Bill Ryan]

The latest SitRep from The Saker's blog: (another long and very detailed one)

• http://thesaker.is/sitrep-operation-z-where-are-we

The main observation which one cannot help but agree with, comes from Andrei Martyanov and I rephrase somewhat:

The rate of change is markedly accelerating as the first result of the crumbling and implosion of the Ukraine as a state and the structure of its armed forces.

Things will go quicker now and they are, as discussed further!

First though, pure fantasy. We call it ‘narrative’ but it is fantasy!

This was found on a Ukrainian site:
https://t.me/ice_inii

Take a look at a few things here: The US influence, the fantasy of being the Robin Williams character in the movie Good Morning Vietnam and the fantasy of being the gook! These fighters live in a movie. And then, the breakdown of the fantasy. This is another example of exactly what Martyanov means.



We stay for a moment in fantasy.

Andrei Martyanov commented on Lieutenant-General Kellog who, contrary to his statement about “everything he learned about war”, never learned shit.
http://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2022...off-scale.html

A quick comparison of the US and the UK commentary on Putin’s speech:

Here we have UK Defense Secretary Ben Wallace. This can only be classified as repugnant and if Kellog according to Martyanov ‘never learned shit, this one only ‘talks shit’.
https://www.gov.uk/government/speech...ion-of-ukraine

A short snippet:

“I thought about the scale of their (ordinary Russian soldier) suffering across the Soviet Union, but also how the suffering was used, then as it is now, to cover up the inadequacy of those ruling in safety and comfort from behind the Kremlin walls above and within the General Staff nearby.

Foreign Minister Baerbock has no idea what she is saying and her grasp of history is non-existent.

“Germany is responsible for the defense of Ukraine and all of Europe,”

Zelensky, besides his other problems, is tone deaf..

https://twitter.com/m_suchkov/status...65198950744065

They are not ashamed any longer. They say it in the open:

https://twitter.com/apocalypseos/sta...27620999475200

And then moving from fantasy, we have the voices of realism.

Chinese View:

“In his Victory Day speech on Monday, Russian President Vladimir Putin “calmly but firmly” stated that Russia had to take preemptive actions in its special operation in Ukraine as NATO had created an “absolutely unacceptable threat” at Russia’s borders. According to Chinese analysts, the speech was delivered in a “restrained” manner to send a clear signal to the West that Russia will not accept intensified pressure to squeeze Russia’s strategic space, but at the same time showed Putin was leaving some room for negotiation.” https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202205/1265207.shtml

US Embassy in China mocked by Chinese netizens after comparing Russia with Nazi Germany. https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202205/1265112.shtml

We have to accept that the Ukraine was meant as a new Afghanistan. Take a look:

The US Department of Defense has claimed credit for “westernizing” the Ukrainian military by giving it training and weapons to oppose Russia, according to spokesman John Kirby. However, the results of the effort made over the past eight years apparently took by surprise even the US’ own military intelligence, he implied in an interview with Fox News on Tuesday. US officials had expected the imminent capture of Ukraine’s capital during first days of the conflict with Moscow. Kirby went on to fantasize:

The spokesman said military intelligence by nature is a mosaic that officers try to piece together, sometimes coming to erroneous conclusions. He then went on to complement the Department of Defense and the administration of President Joe Biden for a job well done in preparing Ukrainian troops to fight against Russia.

Narrative is a good word for this, but using the word fantasy is better!

So in the broader commenting environment, everyone comments on Mr.Putin, but Russia has lost the propaganda war? Who was it that said All Press is Good Press.

We end with Mr.Lavrov in one of his latest pressers:

The completion of the special operation will force the West to stop promoting a unipolar world under the dominance of the US.
The end of the special operation in Ukraine will contribute to the cessation of Western attempts to undermine international law.
The Russian Federation is interested in all civilians leaving the zones of the special operation in Ukraine.
The UN Secretary General missed the opportunity to achieve a peaceful settlement in Ukraine.

A little more realism with a document that you can use for friends and family:

So if the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Israel says there are nazis in the Ukraine, just perhaps there are. A document that you may use for your friends.
https://www.b92.net/eng/news/world.p...&nav_id=113531

Returning for a moment to Martyanov’s statement, let’s add something to it.

The rate of change is markedly accelerating as the first result of the crumbling and implosion of the Ukraine as a state and the structure of its armed forces. In addition the fantasy narrative has become so ludicrous that it is showing clear signs of crumbling.

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Line of Contact

This is a to and fro scenario. Bear in mind this is the line that had 8 years to dig in, dreaming of killing all Russians in the Donbass regions. Russian forces over this very long line are using various artillery to soften up, remove and kill Ukrainian forces. The Russians manoevre continuously against the dug in fighters. But they are not throwing good fighting soldiers against a hard wall. They retreat, bring in the heavy artillery, and move in again.

And then, they break through:

Units of the People’s Militia of the Lugansk People’s Republic (https://t.me/mod_russia_en/1553), supported by the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, have completed mopping-up of Popasnaya from nationalists and broken through the deeply echeloned enemy defence and reached the administrative border of the Lugansk People’s Republic.

Yesterday morning Readovka reports that the whole theater is calmer at the moment but these skirmishes and softening up and manoevre happens continuously. Here are typical front line battles:

https://twitter.com/islamicworldupd/...95993172402176

In the mean time, on the Ukrainian side, this is what is happening:

• Territorial defense fighters complain about being sent to the front
• Militants of the 101st Territorial Defense Brigade (TrO) from the Transcarpathian region complain that they were sent to the front line in the LPR. According to them, the formation was created to protect checkpoints in the rear and is not intended for combat operations.
• The militants have no military training. Many of them complain about health problems. The militants believe that they will become a target for Russian artillery.
• It should be noted that the units of the 101st Troop Brigade were transferred to the front line only three days ago, but they are already experiencing problems with morale.
• Recall that today was also a protest action organized by relatives of militants from the 103rd Troop Brigade from the Lvov region.

Back to creating brutal, costly and bloody fantasy:

From the Russian MoD:

• According to reliable information, the Kiev regime has carried out another bloody action in Kharkov Region based on the Bucha scenario.
• 6 civilian vehicles with white flags mounted on them were shot at by AFU soldiers on a stretch of road between Staryi and Novyi Saltov.
• The photo and video footage of this heinous crime was made by specialists from the AFU’s Centre for Information and Psychological Operations.
• In addition, from the area of private houses in Belaya Krinitsa, Kherson region, the Ukrainian armed forces’ artillery struck several positions of the Russian Armed Forces in order to provoke retaliatory fire on residential buildings with civilians, whom the territorial defence fighters are not letting out of the blockaded settlement by holding them as a “human shield”.
• We warn in advance that these and other materials fabricated by the Kiev regime about alleged “Russian atrocities” are soon to be widely spread through the Western and Ukrainian media, as well as online resources.

And these are the ones this time, standing ready to record the fantasy and play it to an unsuspecting public (I wonder if they pay for the privilege?):

Meanwhile, Norwegian media representatives were present in Belaya Krinitsa for photo and video recording of allegedly indiscriminate Russian strikes against civilians.

….

Odessa

We had some spectacular firing on Odessa and environments. You see, there was this hotel where the head honchos of the Ukrainian forces were stationed. And close to that, was a shopping mall used as an ammunition depot.




https://t.me/asbmil/1422

We can take one comical moment: The special forces of the DPR army tracked down the headquarters of one of the artillery units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donetsk direction. After waiting for their commanders to gather at headquarters, an ATGM was struck. After the surviving Ukrainians running out of the headquarters turned out to be naked, it became clear what their gunners were doing at meetings. Now the world community will accuse our side of mass killing of LGBT people. https://t.me/intelslava/28446

Snake Island – More fantasy propaganda

This one did not survive the fantasy: Ex commander of Ukraine’s 10th Naval Aviation Brigade, Colonel Igor Bedzai — announced dead by Ukrainian media. He was one of Ukraine’s top pilots — often flying missions in AD contested areas. The pilot died on May 7. It appears that he was piloting one of the helicopters that were shot down over Snake Island — the very same ones Ukraine claimed were Russian.

◾️ The Kiev regime’s mindless PR campaign (https://t.me/mod_russia_en/1558) to seize Snake Island on the eve of Victory Day resulted in the senseless deaths of more than five dozen Ukrainian fighters and members of elite AFU units, the loss of 4 aircraft, 10 helicopters, 3 boats and 30 unmanned aerial vehicles.

Snake Island – propaganda effort by Ukraine
https://twitter.com/JamesGRickards/s...79782437072896
https://tass.com/defense/1449045
https://t.me/intelslava/28507
https://www.rt.com/russia/555268-snake-island-pr-military

Trying to outshine the Russian 9th military parades by the Ukrainian Snake Island fantasy, was a comical error. The Russians are burying Ukie corpses floating up from the ocean.

Intel Slava Z reports this morning (Be very aware that this is NON VERIFIED!) On Snake Island, English and American high-ranking officers disappeared during the landing. For their sake, the Ukrainian military fought for two days. But it was not possible to return the officers, or at least their bodies. According to our source in the General Staff, an American marine lieutenant colonel, as well as an English major from the commando brigade of the marine corps, landed on Snake Island together with Ukrainian fighters.

They coordinated the work of NATO intelligence assets and the Ukrainian landing forces. Both officers landed in the first wave. But then the Russians shot down three helicopters and one landing craft was sunk. The remaining boats withdrew, leaving the first wave of landing on the shore. According to our source, London and Washington demanded that Zelensky make every effort to return their officers. Despite several attempts to re-land on the island, it was not possible to find out the fate of the English and American marines. It is assumed that they died in battle with the Russians. But so far, as our source says, there is no confirmation of this information. It is possible that both were captured. In turn, the attempt to return their bodies cost the Ukrainian forces several planes and helicopters shot down, as well as several dozen dead marines and special forces.

Azovstal

Over Azovstal

https://twitter.com/Militarylandnet/...01275989725185

The head of the DPR Pushilin: there are no civilians left at Azovstal, so our hands are untied.

Back to Martyanov’s truism.

One of his commentators did a chart of Russian strikes. (Thank you!)



Let’s get some help from Geroman and assess the Russian Strikes.

You guys have no idea how much damage Russia causes DAILY with air-defense, ballistic, cruise & air-to-ground missiles. Every day the Russian MoD runs a briefing and moves on. I will let you know what got destroyed today (this was a day ago), so you understand the scope of Ukrainian losses:

Let’s parse the Russian MoD report of a day ago:

1. unspecified number of Ukrainian helicopters destroyed on the ground by an Onyx missile in Artsiz, Odessa region
2. ammunition depot destroyed near Gulkhov
3. MLRS “Smerch” and 1 S300 in the Bohodukhov area
4. air-defense shot down 2 MiG-29 in Iverskoe and Novodonetskoe
5. one Su-25 shot down near Pogonovka in the Kharkiv region
6. UAV’s shot down near Snake Island inc 2 Bayraktar TB2’s
7. UAV’s shot down in Balakleya, Shiikovka, Goptovka, Kamienka, Aveevka + a few other places 8- a US supplied counter-battery radar destroyed in Zolotoy
8. MLRS “Grad” & 2 command posts near Popasna
9. Russia MLRS and artillery hit 26 command posts, 26 artillery units in firing positions & 211 areas of manpower and equipment concentration resulting in up to 350 kills

THIS WAS 1 DAY – It happens literally every day

And in the background, Russian engineers have completed humanitarian demining of Kamyanka, Izyum district of Kharkov region. And they still have time to give us footage of S-300V anti-aircraft missile system and Igla man-portable missile system operators (https://t.me/mod_russia_en/1552) in action. They also have time to hand out humanitarian aid.

Here is today’s early MoD Report.

• The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.
• During the night, operational-tactical and army aviation have hit 93 assets, including 2 command posts, 69 areas of manpower and military equipment concentration, as well as 3 ammunition depots of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
• Missile troops and artillery units have hit 407 areas of manpower and military equipment concentration, destroying 13 command posts, 4 positions of Osa-AKM anti-aircraft missile systems and 14 ammunition depots.
• The attacks have resulted in the elimination of more than 280 nationalists and up to 59 armoured and motor vehicles.
• Russian air defence means have shot down 9 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles: 4 near Balakleya in Kharkov Region, 3 near Rubezhnoe in Lugansk Region, 1 near Snake Island and 1 Bayraktar-TB2 near Arkhangelskoe in Nikolaev Region overnight.

For minute details, please look at https://readovka.news:

Moon of Alabama also has a good line-up here:
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/0...ues-.html#more

With all of the above, and the many testimonies from Ukrainian soldiers that their commanders are just deserting and abandoning them in the field, we may see a quick collapse. What is quick? I don’t know.

[Mashika]

In the big scheme of things, the US is currently fighting for their livelihood, and both the EU and Ukraine fall into the category of "I know some/lots of you will die, but this is a sacrifice i'm willing to make for my survival"

Let's not beat around the bushes, a weak world in a world war works for the US government the best, since you can't be the top one at the world stage is someone else is better/stronger than you

So as we can see the world gravitating into the east more and more, and losing respect for the fake "Freedom and Demo-crazy" narrative, then we can see how this all fits together, it's one group of people driving the entire world into madness so that this 'single group' can survive, because otherwise they wont. Simple as that

People should be taking notes by now, but they should have started years ago and then they would be able to correlate events from the recent past and current ones, to figure this out with what we see just now

Did anyone in Russia asked for war? No
Did anyone in Ukraine asked for war? No
Did anyone in the US asked for war? No
Did anyone in the UK asked for war? No
Did anyone in France asked for war? No

Who asked for war? Not the people at all

I'm sorry Strat, i know what you said on other thread, but this is true:

"The US government, and the image outside that is displayed across the world, does not represent the US people, they have not represented the US civilians for a very long time"

The US government is a monster that has nothing to do with the will of the people

Understand this: They are not 'us', they are 'they'

Think fast, think smart

[Mashika]

Tempus est scriptor

[Mike Gorman]

Posted by Ewan (here)

Posted by Justplain (here)

I think that some of you Putin supporters have drunk too much of his koolaide.

I believe you are doing a good many Avalonians a disservice here. I am not sure anyone here would actually label themselves a Putin supporter. It is a question of 'right and wrong'.

From a historical perspective a lot of the infomation truly is in plain sight and Putin found himself pushed into a tight corner. This really is not too difficult to discover for oneself if one is prepared to look.
Hunting for resources that support your preconceptions is never a difficult task but it rarely produces an enlightening conclusion.

Unlike non-existant WMD in Iraq there really are Nazis in Ukraine and a beleaguered, bombed population in the Donetsk. Even the BBC ran a documentary around 2014, found earlier in the thread, about the problems Nazis were causing in Ukraine. Now they dismissively suggest there are none!

A long time ago an elderly Thai gentleman said to me that "we are all subjected to propaganda a lot of the time, but the difference between the West and the East is most of the West still don't realise they are being lied too.

In regards to Schwaab abd WEF you may be correct that it is all part of a bigger plan, but that does not change anything I wrote above.

Edgar Cayce

" What then of nations? In Russia there comes the hope of the world, not as that sometimes termed of the Communistic, of the Bolshevistic; no. But freedom, freedom! that each man will live for his fellow man! The principle has been born. It will take years for it to be crystallized, but out of Russia comes again the hope of the world. Guided by what? That friendship with the nation that hath even set on its present monetary unit "In God We Trust." (Do ye use that in thine own heart when you pay your just debts? Do ye use that in thy prayer when ye send thy missionaries to other lands? "I give it, for in God we trust"? Not for the other fifty cents either!) (3976-29)"

Intriguing as prophetic writings go, but outside the scope of this discussion I suppose.

When you think about it, Russia must have been preparing for this event for a very long time: when they saw that the 'Cabal' had made their ultimate move by overcoming the Trump mission in such an obviously desperate way, it was so completely obvious that the election was engineered in an almost clumsy, criminal way - that Russia saw the 'cards' being played and now was the time to make this drastic move, to remedy the evil Nazi disease that had taken root in Ukraine, it was incredibly insulting to the intensely sincere Russians, Orthodox Christianity has flourished again Russia and the pride and righteousness of their life-goal manifesting so brilliantly: we know that this conflict has much more of a moral basis, the overt cruelty and brutal intolerance of Nazism which has emerged among the Azov, the primal chaos being unleashed under the nurturing of NATO members - we find ourselves being on the wrong side of history!
Russia can accommodate the Neocon amorality, it is time to destroy this, perhaps cleansing is now called for, this is a compelling subject: it seems to many of us that Putin and Russia embody the true spirit of Christian values, while we in the west have fallen into decadent relativism?
Whichever way you view this event, it is difficult to support the NATO position, I no longer feel absolutely 'right', as our WWII generational parents must have felt re: Hitler, we know that Russia is being badly served, it is time to review this, or confront the inevitable final conflict.

[shaberon]

The U. S. Secretary of the Treasury is a foreign agent whenever they are governor of the IMF. How does this work? It's time to bring in the garbage.


This crept in with what looked like some other update:


US House Passes Legislation Seeking Ukraine Debt Relief on World Stage

US House lawmakers overwhelming passed a measure requiring Treasury Department officials to advocate for debt relief for Ukraine on the world stage, including at international financial institutions and through bilateral and multilateral frameworks.

The House of Representatives moved the legislation forward on Wednesday afternoon with a 362-56 vote. The measure requires US representatives to international financial institutions to advocate for the immediate suspension of all debt service payments owed by Ukraine and to provide them with concessional financial assistance.

The bill also calls on the Treasury Department to immediately pursue debt payment relief for Ukraine from other governments and commercial creditor groups through bilateral and multilateral frameworks.


...excuse me??

You mean, you actually harvest parts out of somewhere like Greece who...well, I don't think they actually "deserved" it and...seizing mortgaged collateral makes us all homeless and...it is time to forgive the Money Launderer?

That is, truly, of Biblical proportions.

The Senate gets another chance to play "What about where I live?"

You know, in ancient Greece, it has only ever been recorded that one person was executed for blasphemy. But they would do it all the time over hubris. These people are literally asking for the death penalty in that sense.

[Mashika]

Posted by Mike Gorman (here)

Posted by Ewan (here)

Posted by Justplain (here)

I think that some of you Putin supporters have drunk too much of his koolaide.

I believe you are doing a good many Avalonians a disservice here. I am not sure anyone here would actually label themselves a Putin supporter. It is a question of 'right and wrong'.

From a historical perspective a lot of the infomation truly is in plain sight and Putin found himself pushed into a tight corner. This really is not too difficult to discover for oneself if one is prepared to look.
Hunting for resources that support your preconceptions is never a difficult task but it rarely produces an enlightening conclusion.

Unlike non-existant WMD in Iraq there really are Nazis in Ukraine and a beleaguered, bombed population in the Donetsk. Even the BBC ran a documentary around 2014, found earlier in the thread, about the problems Nazis were causing in Ukraine. Now they dismissively suggest there are none!

A long time ago an elderly Thai gentleman said to me that "we are all subjected to propaganda a lot of the time, but the difference between the West and the East is most of the West still don't realise they are being lied too.

In regards to Schwaab abd WEF you may be correct that it is all part of a bigger plan, but that does not change anything I wrote above.

Edgar Cayce

" What then of nations? In Russia there comes the hope of the world, not as that sometimes termed of the Communistic, of the Bolshevistic; no. But freedom, freedom! that each man will live for his fellow man! The principle has been born. It will take years for it to be crystallized, but out of Russia comes again the hope of the world. Guided by what? That friendship with the nation that hath even set on its present monetary unit "In God We Trust." (Do ye use that in thine own heart when you pay your just debts? Do ye use that in thy prayer when ye send thy missionaries to other lands? "I give it, for in God we trust"? Not for the other fifty cents either!) (3976-29)"

Intriguing as prophetic writings go, but outside the scope of this discussion I suppose.

When you think about it, Russia must have been preparing for this event for a very long time: when they saw that the 'Cabal' had made their ultimate move by overcoming the Trump mission in such an obviously desperate way, it was so completely obvious that the election was engineered in an almost clumsy, criminal way - that Russia saw the 'cards' being played and now was the time to make this drastic move, to remedy the evil Nazi disease that had taken root in Ukraine, it was incredibly insulting to the intensely sincere Russians, Orthodox Christianity has flourished again Russia and the pride and righteousness of their life-goal manifesting so brilliantly: we know that this conflict has much more of a moral basis, the overt cruelty and brutal intolerance of Nazism which has emerged among the Azov, the primal chaos being unleashed under the nurturing of NATO members - we find ourselves being on the wrong side of history!
Russia can accommodate the Neocon amorality, it is time to destroy this, perhaps cleansing is now called for, this is a compelling subject: it seems to many of us that Putin and Russia embody the true spirit of Christian values, while we in the west have fallen into decadent relativism?
Whichever way you view this event, it is difficult to support the NATO position, I no longer feel absolutely 'right', as our WWII generational parents must have felt re: Hitler, we know that Russia is being badly served, it is time to review this, or confront the inevitable final conflict.

Only thing i want to say is this:

We all, in several ways, are "the monster under the bed". No Russian is pure of feelings, i have seen things i wish i had not, and i have done things i wish i had not done, and yet i still fight for my country and people and vision + wishes for the future

We all live in bubbles, so i'm just going to say that from this bubble what we are doing looks tremendously just, while also causing lots of pain, there is no perfect bubble

we know that this conflict has much more of a moral basis, the overt cruelty and brutal intolerance of Nazism which has emerged among the Azov, the primal chaos being unleashed under the nurturing of NATO members

Russ land was already a tremendously violent land way before the US even existed. What you said may be true this few decades, but we know that my country has been around for 1000 years, you probably have seen me go all monster mode here at Avalon, is not a single instance even, it's kind of 'carried' inside the soul, we don't like to be 'lesser' and there's a bit of anger that pops up when someone tries to belittle that suddenly turns into the door that let's the monster out. Most Russians who come from Cossack ancestry will be just like that.

It's just how people are, humans i mean, we all carry crazy inside us All the way down to the first person who grabbed a stone and broke someone else head apart just because they could not share a fish on the river or whatever

Back in WW2, the Germans were "cleansing" the world from people they considered should not be there, now We are cleansing Ukraine from people we consider should not be there, then we may see a new instance of that in Latin America lol

Who's going to cleanse who? Is there a book that teaches how to 'cleanse', who cleans and what's the method? Are we cleaners? Then who's giving the order, because a cleaner is a murderer on hire, so someone has to be paying for the 'cleansing' in the end. Because it's not self sufficient at all, someone has to pay for it

[Strat]

Posted by Mashika (here)
I'm sorry Strat

Nice try young padawan.

Posted by Mashika (here)
Think fast, think smart

I ain't no psychiatrist, I ain't no doctor with degrees

Americana crumbs...

There are some topics in Avalon where I'm not going along the main stream of thought and I don't feel comfortable going against the grain. This is one of those topics. I like Avalon and the people of the forums, so I lurk this thread but I don't see the point in posting.

Much love to you all and I mean that I'll get off my podium now

[Mashika]

Posted by Strat (here)

Posted by Mashika (here)
I'm sorry Strat

Nice try young padawan.

Posted by Mashika (here)
Think fast, think smart

I ain't no psychiatrist, I ain't no doctor with degrees

Americana crumbs...

There are some topics in Avalon where I'm not going along the main stream of thought and I don't feel comfortable going against the grain. This is one of those topics. I like Avalon and the people of the forums, so I lurk this thread but I don't see the point in posting.

Much love to you all and I mean that I'll get off my podium now

I did sent you an email, so let's leave it at that

But you come out all like

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=KWmG0ZsUAag

[shaberon]

Posted by Mike Gorman (here)
...perhaps cleansing is now called for, this is a compelling subject: it seems to many of us that Putin and Russia embody the true spirit of Christian values, while we in the west have fallen into decadent relativism?

Yes, it is like today's Op. Z Sitrep, "fantasy"...

The conditioning is so deep it is almost indescribable.

When we look at what was done to heretics and up through the Fourth Crusade, we find an institution that violently conquered all of Europe except for the Baltic States. And during this long time period, there was one, single book, which of course no one could read. But then from around the 1500s, you get some rebellion and translation and so on, but, how does this re-connect to the original? How does Martin Luther or King James bring you any closer to what a disciple of Jesus might have been doing?


In order to not aggrandize Protestants too much I will speak in the defense of what they call Good Works, being that such a Protestant understanding of some things that are in the Bible were the principles and basis of U. S. Law. Again in this case, only the original was good, as it was once again twisted to serve the Lie whether expressed the way Putin said it or in the subject of law that does not allow the problems we are having.

No one has to bug or prod me for my personal "solution" to everything, because I certainly don't have one. There already is one.

Well this is a bit like saying it is time to find out what the American Revolution really means. It is a bit surprising that I might need to explain this to English speakers as if they had never heard of it.

The other violence that happened here, we call the War of Union Aggression. Somebody else twisted it around and called it civil which is misleading, because there were not two sides fighting for control of the same government, as happened in the English Civil War.

For example the debt forgiveness which today is being offered to Ukraine, only, is a Jubilee, which is supposed to be offered to people, not businesses. Once upon a time, this was the definition of a Good King.

Did anyone practice this for hundreds of years, or know about it?

So much for ancient Biblical traditions.

All of the religions came about during the times of Monarchy. And it is like they voted the Bible into the dustbin.

The west, that is, Rome, deviated. What would Jesus as shepherd do when something goes astray? They carry a really big stick so that if you wander off, they just break your legs.

Mixed with the Pharisaism of all the money, it is frightful, very spiritually unclean.

I would encourage anybody to look into it seriously. From the Orthodox view, a deviant religion, and, its brainchildren, are fantasy. If one believes oneself to be some denomination or -ist of Chrisitanity, why are they saying this is impossible?

Compulsive cleaning on a massive scale is called for. On about the same level that Russia knows it is fighting an existential battle and against what. I do not know exactly what this means, for instance, from me to thirty million ardent Zionists who are not paying attention. I believe it may be in the cosmos that external forces "do the trick". Interesting mix of personal and global karma.

Similar to Cayce, several of our Buddhist lamas anticipated various Tsars to be doing the deed that Putin has ordered. Maybe they were a little edgy, but, this has been anticipated by non-Christians for a long time. I have learned that the Orthodox and the Muslims who are in combat with Azov agree that they are fighting Satan.

Well, I think it should be lower case, because it is not really a name. If we take the general meaning of "adversary", then of course in any dispute, there are two satans. However it has a heightened meaning of "deceiver". In most disputes, someone is lying or otherwise wrong. There might be some way you and I can both be right, telling the truth, following the same rules, and somehow there is a conflict, but it is hard to imagine any significant number of these. Most cases in court are looking for holes in the truth.

Since there is a fantasy scenario of spun lies from Ukraine, it is like a factory of satans. This year we'll use satans for Christmas elves. It is not really a matter of opinion, it is closer to what it actually means. When you do combat on behalf of one, then you are called that and killed. Most working people at home are just in a fog of satan. Many times I am satan to someone, but, I am just an adversary because I hold deception in pure contempt, so, I am not that satan which has soaked the soul.

From a spiritual perspective, it is almost irrelevant that it could be an "accuser", because if someone accuses me and he has the truth, then, that is the right thing to do, and I suffer the consequences. The scope of The Lie from the top levels of our institutions and written to the core of...untold numbers of inhabitants...must be very severe. I don't know very much about Christianity, but if they are the kind of people who would be interested in removing the Blinders of Lies, and persuade others not to go to hell, that would be much more agreeable than the Zionist nitwit madhouse I am aware of.

[shaberon]

Posted by Mashika (here)
Russ land was already a tremendously violent land way before the US even existed.

So was North America. Anyone who thought Indians were peaceful is clueless. There was constant warfare until the Iroquois Confederation which is probably one of mankind's most important documents.

Many people like me are part Cherokee because they ran away from the Trail of Tears. But those Cherokee themselves were Iroquoian invaders, who completely exterminated the Moon Eyed people, a race of albino dwarves.

Probably the best soldier I have ever heard of was an Apache who killed over 20 VC with his hands.

It's just how people are, humans i mean, we all carry crazy inside us

Never said I wasn't.

After all, it is open season.

This is what I have found by training in levels of force.

You kind of have to train yourself to conserve energy in order to deliver a good on target strike. If something is crazy and it makes you angry, your body will shake and you will burn your energy and be off time. The ability to ignore the effect of anger and be precise is what we call killer instinct. And I saw something that shows this pretty good.

Feodor Emilianko is a Russian heavyweight who has announced he will be making his final bout.

A few years ago he was challenged by the American Frank Mir. And to his credit, Frank starts really aggressively, and looked like he was doing pretty good.

On about the third try, Frank slipped and lunged and in that very instant Feodor clocked him precisely which was a knockout.

It is not so much the fact that it happened, it is the instantaneity of Feodor's reaction. If the flurry of Frank's attacks had mentally disturbed him, chances are he could not have made this shot. This is over quick and they will give you a few chances to try to see this exact moment:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=SAw_QbeGBgw

[kfm27917]

Scandalous documents disclosed: "Putin was right"
Efraim Zuroff, the Director of the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Israel, denounced Canadian troops for training neo-Nazi fighters in Ukraine.
he director of the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Israel denounced Canadian troops for training neo-Nazi fighters in Ukraine, saying Ottawa has a responsibility to prevent such things from happening. "The Canadian government has not paid due attention," Zuroff told Citizen of Ottawa. However, the Canadian military has denied any obligation to screen participants in the training.
Canada has spent nearly a billion dollars ($794 million) to train Ukrainian troops since the 2014 coup, when Western-backed nationalists toppled the country’s democratically elected government. The neo-Nazis were the tool of the regime change operation, and the Azov Battalion was subsequently used to quell dissent.

https://www.b92.net/eng/news/world.p...&nav_id=113531

[Tintin]

Unless we speak Ukrainian we can at least be spared the actual commentary - it's sure to be pretty disgusting. All in a day's work for an Azov orc...

Source: https://twitter.com/rastgoftar0/stat...27427784716288

[happyuk]

Interesting graphical perspective by Rossiya-1 host Vladimir Solovyov of Russia's encirclement by NATO allies.

[Ewan]

Posted by Tintin (here)
Unless we speak Ukrainian we can at least be spared the actual commentary - it's sure to be pretty disgusting. All in a day's work for an Azov orc...

Source: https://twitter.com/rastgoftar0/stat...27427784716288

Wish I hadn't clicked either of them, leaves a hole in the pit of my stomach.

[Justplain]

Posted by shaberon (here)

Posted by Justplain (here)
Russian battle tactics same as previous conflicts:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60631433

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato...-diplomat.html


Schwab on Putin in WEF:

https://theamericanreport.org/2022/0...-the-cabinets/

Why would we ask the BBC, Ukraine, or Schwab about the inner secrets of the Russian strategy or Putin's personal thoughts?

I have seen the "we penetrate the cabinets" piece. That is far less significant than, for example, Saudi Arabia turning its back on the petrodollar.

This is a nice place. If you put that on The Saker, where we get most of our information, you would be banned. Maybe warned one time, but certainly not allowed.

After all, Russia should not have had to go and do anything about Aleppo. They are still in the area. Israel is still regularly attacking it. Nothing much has changed there other than the expansion of insurgency has been thwarted.

If they wanted to "flatten a country" U. S.-style, it would have already happened. And so I think the above posts undermine the argument and press our point. Compare them to real military and governmental information. I doubt it would hold up with the same view or conclusions.

And again both the U. N. Security Council, and, another group there--I forget the name, but about another ten countries--has been subjected to all the things they don't want to hear such as about the bio-labs and widespread torture. Not the BBC version, but, a mountain of evidence that just keeps getting bigger. They don't talk much and are not usually the decision-makers of their countries, but, it makes at least fifteen influential people from multiple continents who have been forced to get a closer look at reality. The Chief says that a truce is not possible.

Will Ms. Nuland accept her invitation to Parliament? That would be unprecedented. These people are still being given a chance rather than excoriated from the face of the earth.

What I don't understand is how all the supposed awake people on this thread seem to think it's perfectly ok for a country to use lethal deadly force on innocent civilians for a difference in political opinion. The main reason Putin gave for invading was that Ukraine wanted to join NATO and Russia couldn't stand that. Well, quite frankly, Russia doesn't have any legal or moral justification to invade a sovereign nation over that kind of disagreement. If you can't see that then you are stuck in the old negative energy of 20th century or earlier politics. Now this invasion has backfired as Finland and Sweden will be joining NATO.

If Russia was truly concerned about the safety of the people in the Donbass breakaway regions, then call in UN peacekeepers. No invasion needed.

I don't care how many biolabs were in the Ukraine, the us sponsors dozens around the world, and if you don't know that then you've done zero research on the subject. Saying Russia is doing the right thing in attacking the biolabs whilst not attacking China for their's, or admitting that Russian biolabs exist, which the most certainly do, makes this whole line of reasoning a farce.

The excuses used to invade Ukraine are bullsh!t, just as the weapons of mass destruction was bull**** to invade Iraq. If you guys don't see that then I feel sorry for you.

If you think Putin is a hero, then again, I feel sorry for you. Read my previous post for reasons why.

You can dither about the evidence I provided about battle techniques or Klaus schwab's observations, but the evidence is there as to what I attest. You have to connect some dots, however, just like so many of you are doing to crucify zelensky and the Ukraine.

Justifying violence against innocents for petty politics is a very immoral position. I am saddened so many here don't see this.