WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

[Fellow Aspirant]

Posted by Mashika (here)
Oof

It may have been programmed to gently land, but clearly the programe failed.

I suggest you learn a bit about what the speed required by a rocket to reach a far away place causes even after the fuel runs out, and how it affects the landing. Even if empty of fuel and with no warhead, there is a big explosion. If you want to learn about it or not that's up to you. If this is another "research" project that will never happen on your side, then so be it... 'the land is unchanged' either you do or not


~~


From your post i can only get two things, mostly

1. Copium is one hell of a drug. Once you get into it, there's no coming back, now you don't even need a drug government dealer to push you into it, you find your own way to it. It seems like everyone hooked on Copium has no path of recovery, they are left lose to create their own demise. Facts? Who cares, i'll invent my own facts!

Posted by Fellow Aspirant (here)
It may have been programmed to gently land, but clearly the programe failed.

Maybe the Russian stock of cruise missiles has run out to the point where they are using their high end nuclear stuff without the extreme warheads. (?)

2. So i suppose Elensky and the UkroNazi government are all:

a. Liars
b. Corrupt
c. Scammers
d. Full of It
e. All of the above

Because they immediately claimed it could take a year or more to fix the transformers issue! I suppose they will embezzle all the money sent by you and 'the western partners' and then buy something cheap on alibaba and hope it gets blown up again next week so they don't have to prove they bought some cheap hardware that wasn't going to last for a couple months anyway because it was a cheap produced one

Let's add f to the list

f: Genius scammers taking advantage of naive western adults who have the mentality of toddlers who failed kindergarten first grade

Re the transformers -

A dearth of 330 kw transformers? There are plenty of such advertised online, ready for immediate delivery. A quick search yields …

Made in China, listed on Alibaba

https://www.alibaba.com/showroom/330...ansformer.html

India
https://www.indiamart.com/proddetail...049225648.html

Canada
https://www.3l2r.com/ecommerce/trans...ASAAEgIm3fD_Bw

and lots of good prices on those that are reconditioned, from the states …
https://t-r.com/cart.php#!c=a&l=1

Getting them to where they are needed is indeed a problem, though.

Why would that be? With all the most fantastic support from the west, capable enough to leave their own citizens in the cold just to support Ukraine, you would think they have some planes or other means to deliver, i mean they deliver tanks and rockets and AD units every other week, what makes a transformer harder to deliver than a 50 tons tank or howitzer? Imagination or excuses?

Or is it that only arms that deliver money back to the 'western partners' have priority over things that are not good for the western military complex business, like a transformer would? Last time i checked the military complex doesn't build or sell transformers, so of course it is not on the menu for "aid" to Ukraine lol

Oh how much i hurt for the growing pains of western adults

Hi Mashika

As Bill has and others have so clearly pointed out, the time line of one year to replace the Ukrainian transformers is valid; it may even be optimistically short. Given this, your castigation of Zalenskyy is both wrong and overwrought.

So your number one take is invalid. Still, I'm glad that you found at least one of the things in my post that you wanted to lick.


Also

Apparently you missed the post that I was replying to, so here you are ...

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1528230

in which the relevant part is this (in bold text)

RUSSIA FIRED A GENUINE NUCLEAR CRUISE MISSILE INTO UKRAINE

It was carrying a mock up of a real nuclear warhead and was recovered by Ukranian forces. if that is not a shot across the bow I don't know what is, Russia could not have sent a clearer message. Rumor has it that Ukraine shot it down but I suspect it was programmed to gently land where they would see it to make sure the message was delivered.

In effect, you were agreeing with me (no need to apologize ) The laws of physics are immutable (so far )

If you like, you can offer to educate Jim and Win Ru though, with one of your low key responses.

If only Elon Musk could program his rockets to land gently ... wait ... never mind ...


And my name's not "oof".

It was my given name ( I come from good Ukrainian stock but how did you know?) I subsequently had it changed when I got into shape.

Brian

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Fellow Aspirant (here)
I suspect it was programmed to gently land where they would see it to make sure the message was delivered.

Cruise missiles don't (and can't!) 'gently land'.

SpaceX boosters 'gently land'. Not military missiles.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Tkk9VIKWw2w

[shaberon]

Posted by Fellow Aspirant (here)
a few days after Russia’s full-scale invasion into Ukraine

Except it's not. Instead, it is about a 1% commitment, maybe 3%, not using their entire arsenal.

Suggest that "Ukrinfo", "Washington Post", etc., are not things we should read, and anything from England or Australia is probably even worse.

[Fellow Aspirant]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Ravenlocke (here)
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/1...ights-off.html
[...]
The targeting of 330 kilovolt transformers in various switching stations has cut some 50% of the distribution capability of Ukraine's electricity network. These transformers weigh up to 200 tons. There are no replacements. You do not buy them at the next corner but will have order them with years of lead time. As far as I can tell Russia is currently Russia the only producer of transformers of that type.

Yes, that's correct. (As best I know China makes them too, also with a couple of years of lead time.)

Posted by Fellow Aspirant (here)
A dearth of 330 kw transformers? There are plenty of such advertised online, ready for immediate delivery. A quick search yields …

Made in China, listed on Alibaba
https://www.alibaba.com/showroom/330...ansformer.html

India
https://www.indiamart.com/proddetail...049225648.html

Canada
https://www.3l2r.com/ecommerce/trans...ASAAEgIm3fD_Bw

and lots of good prices on those that are reconditioned, from the states …
https://t-r.com/cart.php#!c=a&l=1

Getting them to where they are needed is indeed a problem, though.

Brian, you're getting your watts, volts and amps all mixed up. A 330 kV transformer (330,000 volts) at 15 amps (but maybe the current is a lot more than that) would be 4,950,000 watts.

This isn't the kind of thing you order on Amazon (or Alibaba!) and pay a little extra for 2-day shipping.

Bill, I'm hoping that the wee smiling emoticon at the end indicates that you have said this as a joke. You can't really believe that I'm that stupid.

B

[Michel Leclerc]

Posted by Mashika (here)

See? It's pure BS, no investigation has happened at all, so these 'credible claims' are pure BS. There has been no real evidence provided, and the claim that Russia doesn't allow the UN to go into Donbass is also pure BS, they had been there and were able to do anything they wanted for years, and they did nothing. No one is stopping them from going, it's actually Ukraine who for example forbade the Red Cross from going into Donbass, and there's is plenty of evidence that the UN helped the Azov and other groups instead of doing their work to document the crimes committed by Ukraine over the past 9 years

If the people move to other countries in the middle east or any other place, they are refugees, including the kids sent over to the UK that are sexually abused or vanish forever. If they go to Russia, they are filtrated and it's genocide

I don't know why you are not bothered that these people are playing with your mind and plainly lying to you, without any shame. Doesn't that bother you at all?

Yes, Mashika, that is the question to ask. But I fear – or do I fear? – the answer is “No”.

The answer might even be: “No, because I want to give them the impression that I allow them to play with my mind because that is what I am expected to do.”

In the middle of the 90s one of my clients, higher-level management in a Belgian multinational, told me: “it suits me that I can pay those bastards" (he meant the Belgian army “to do that s..t in my place while I can lay back on my couch.” That was ±1995.

A variation of this I heard from a top-level consultant about 9/11: “I believe that 19 Arabs armed with pocket-knives...” (etc.): that was 2003, and another one about the “vaccines”: “as a German citizen I do what my government asks me to do": that was last year.

[Mashika]

Posted by Fellow Aspirant (here)

Posted by Mashika (here)
Oof

It may have been programmed to gently land, but clearly the programe failed.

I suggest you learn a bit about what the speed required by a rocket to reach a far away place causes even after the fuel runs out, and how it affects the landing. Even if empty of fuel and with no warhead, there is a big explosion. If you want to learn about it or not that's up to you. If this is another "research" project that will never happen on your side, then so be it... 'the land is unchanged' either you do or not


~~


From your post i can only get two things, mostly

1. Copium is one hell of a drug. Once you get into it, there's no coming back, now you don't even need a drug government dealer to push you into it, you find your own way to it. It seems like everyone hooked on Copium has no path of recovery, they are left lose to create their own demise. Facts? Who cares, i'll invent my own facts!

Posted by Fellow Aspirant (here)
It may have been programmed to gently land, but clearly the programe failed.

Maybe the Russian stock of cruise missiles has run out to the point where they are using their high end nuclear stuff without the extreme warheads. (?)

2. So i suppose Elensky and the UkroNazi government are all:

a. Liars
b. Corrupt
c. Scammers
d. Full of It
e. All of the above

Because they immediately claimed it could take a year or more to fix the transformers issue! I suppose they will embezzle all the money sent by you and 'the western partners' and then buy something cheap on alibaba and hope it gets blown up again next week so they don't have to prove they bought some cheap hardware that wasn't going to last for a couple months anyway because it was a cheap produced one

Let's add f to the list

f: Genius scammers taking advantage of naive western adults who have the mentality of toddlers who failed kindergarten first grade

Re the transformers -

A dearth of 330 kw transformers? There are plenty of such advertised online, ready for immediate delivery. A quick search yields …

Made in China, listed on Alibaba

https://www.alibaba.com/showroom/330...ansformer.html

India
https://www.indiamart.com/proddetail...049225648.html

Canada
https://www.3l2r.com/ecommerce/trans...ASAAEgIm3fD_Bw

and lots of good prices on those that are reconditioned, from the states …
https://t-r.com/cart.php#!c=a&l=1

Getting them to where they are needed is indeed a problem, though.

Why would that be? With all the most fantastic support from the west, capable enough to leave their own citizens in the cold just to support Ukraine, you would think they have some planes or other means to deliver, i mean they deliver tanks and rockets and AD units every other week, what makes a transformer harder to deliver than a 50 tons tank or howitzer? Imagination or excuses?

Or is it that only arms that deliver money back to the 'western partners' have priority over things that are not good for the western military complex business, like a transformer would? Last time i checked the military complex doesn't build or sell transformers, so of course it is not on the menu for "aid" to Ukraine lol

Oh how much i hurt for the growing pains of western adults

Hi Mashika

As Bill has and others have so clearly pointed out, the time line of one year to replace the Ukrainian transformers is valid; it may even be optimistically short. Given this, your castigation of Zalenskyy is both wrong and overwrought.

So your number one take is invalid. Still, I'm glad that you found at least one of the things in my post that you wanted to lick.


Also

Apparently you missed the post that I was replying to, so here you are ...

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1528230

in which the relevant part is this (in bold text)

RUSSIA FIRED A GENUINE NUCLEAR CRUISE MISSILE INTO UKRAINE

It was carrying a mock up of a real nuclear warhead and was recovered by Ukranian forces. if that is not a shot across the bow I don't know what is, Russia could not have sent a clearer message. Rumor has it that Ukraine shot it down but I suspect it was programmed to gently land where they would see it to make sure the message was delivered.

In effect, you were agreeing with me (no need to apologize ) The laws of physics are immutable (so far )

If you like, you can offer to educate Jim and Win Ru though, with one of your low key responses.

If only Elon Musk could program his rockets to land gently ... wait ... never mind ...


And my name's not "oof".

It was my given name ( I come from good Ukrainian stock but how did you know?) I subsequently had it changed when I got into shape.

Brian

Honestly, i could not care less how long Elensky will take to get some new Transformers, or why is that important. The entire tech they are using is old soviet tech for the most part, and the Ukrainians are well know for not being able to build anything new since 30 years ago, everything they have is old soviet stuff that remained unchanged across 3 decades, so they have themselves to blame for being unable to quickly replace their units.

But talking about that stuff at this point is like saying "Wait why are around 20,000 people death in Donbass? And how did they died in the past 9 years before the military operation of 24 February started? Who were these people and who killed them?"

And then the response to those questions is "Yeah that's interesting, but let's talk about the weather, and food prices are very high right now!"

It's like a very very uninteresting and weak diversion tactic. In a debate that just doesn't cut it

The nuclear missile thing is equally weak argument to divert the conversation, "they probably have to use nuclear missiles with dummy warheads because they are running out of other missiles" is not a real argument based on hard facts or anything at all. It's just another diversion tactic that still doesn't work

It can be simply dismissed by observing the facts on the ground: "If the Russian army were using nuclear missiles in that way, they you would see lots of them all over the place and there would be plenty of evidence that 40/50 or more nuclear missiles were used in that way"

But there is zero evidence of that, so making a baseless claim and then trying to discuss it? that's just like discussing what kind of cheese the moon is made off, and divert from discussing if the moon is made or is not made out of cheese

So yeah, discussing a reality based on nothing but wishful thinking or twisted baseless observations is not a good way to spend time. Unless that's your purpose in the first place, to divert and derail from discussing more important matters and focus on menial details. Just a waste of time in the end

Oof is a sound made when you see something so wrong that you just go completely out of air and words, like when someone hits you very hard on the stomach and all the air goes out and you make that sound "oof", just because

Mashika: "Ukraine shelled a nuclear power plant and almost caused the death of millions of people"

Oof: Yeah, I read that nothing happened and there was no radiation released so we don't need to discuss the shelling and war crime by Ukraine anymore, that's water under the bridge. So... Do pigs have souls?

Mashika: "Really? You don't have any more thoughts on that than dismissing it as a nothingburger just because no people died this time? Oof...."

[Mashika]

There are a few members who post stuff here, but they always avoid the actual matter and just divert into pointless arguments, isn't that a bit annoying and boring?

I mean like this, why skip over a lot of points and then just reply with plain media talking points to a single item of a 10 item post? And then the response is just basically a copy/paste of media talking points taken directly from some random website. Not even an effort to produce an actual thought?

It's slow, boring and it doesn't speak much of the person posting talking points. That's just lazy and clumsy

And it makes me think the person has nothing interesting to say of their own. It's a copy/paste machine only

What's a "real conversation" ? Skipping all the points made by someone and then replying to the most uninteresting one with a very lazy reply that is basically just repeating something someone else said on another site and which was already a lazy attempt to begin with?

I don't know, but that's just a completely turn off

+ Thousands of people died
- They probably died of something
+ No really? Who could have guessed!
- Also some were born in another place the same day
+ Yes but we want to discuss the people who died and why
- I heard that new born babies poop a lot and sleep all day
+ Here's some evidence the death people were murdered and did not die of natural causes
- Oh well, in the global scheme those are thousands but millions have died since humanity exists

And it keeps going forever. Sorry but that's just noise

And it is very clear and obvious when people do derailing and adding noise thing. Sometimes it is a bit amusing and entertaining, but it gets boring very soon. honestly

[Mashika]

Here's something to ponder about

See this ship? Looks familiar?


That's the Ukraina, a sister ship to the Moscow that was gifted to Ukraine by Russia. But Ukraine, being able to build ships back in the USSR times, and having the shipyards and everything necessary to complete it, just simply took it, and then let it rot for decades

Around 30 million dollars were needed to finish it, that's nothing. And yet, there it sits rotting away, how can a country not be able to spend 30 million dollars on this?

Ukraine can't build anything

They live out of hand outs and expect to be given everything for free and ready to go. Anything that requires any effort is immediately put away or thrown to the curve

Ukraine as a country inherited lots of resources, shipyards, know-how about lots of stuff that were the primary resources of the USSR, and they completely did nothing with that for 30 years in a row. Except sell it out for cheap to western "partners". And they continue to sell the country in pieces for very cheap because they have no clue how to progress on their own

They turned what could have been the third richest country in the world into a beggar than requires monthly handouts and has no production of any kind other than grains, they can't build any new tech, they can't research, they can't restore any industries they had, they do nothing but expect handouts

Research topic: How many billions did Russia give to Ukraine through the past 3 decades and what happened to that money and aid? And second, How is it that Ukraine is in a lot of debt, when Russia paid it all 30 years ago and helped them start fresh with lots of resources and zero debt? Why did it took so little time to go from being a potential most richest country in Europe to a self-entitled rude/nasty beggar and decadent society?

Where's the space industry? The shipyards? The steel plants? The electronics/nuclear industries? Can Ukraine build nuclear power plants? No they can't, the ones they have are Soviet tech and they depended until very recently on Russia, but yet nuclear power was central in Ukraine, and they do have the know-how for sure

It's just that they just can't build anything, they went into full mediocre/lame mode and can't/won't even try to get out of it anymore.

They don't ask nicely, they demand handouts because they think they deserve them because they are "the master race"

[Rizotto]

Interesting analysis, 25 minutes:

Russia Continues Grinding Away Ukrainian Military & Electrical Power (Update for November 21, 2022)
(The New Atlas)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=h3LtmulODrI

[Rizotto]

In the following November 20 CBC report about the situation in "liberated" Kherson, mention is made that the city had been heavily mined. It doesn't specifically state 'by the Russians prior to retreating', but it is strongly implied. A UN agent on site is even reporting that they hear "mines being detonated all day long" in Kherson as part of the current demining operation.

"NATO secretary general says alliance must prepare for 'long haul' in Ukraine"
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/nat...aine-1.6658147


That is the first time I hear of reports alleging that Russians have been placing mines anywhere. Many Canadians (but not all) know by now that CBC is an incredibly biased propaganda machine, frequently lying by omission. But it is concerning that a UN agent is talking about mines being detonated all day long. What is going on?


Does anyone here have more information about this alleged 'demining operation in Kherson?

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Fellow Aspirant (here)

Made in China, listed on Alibaba
https://www.alibaba.com/showroom/330...ansformer.html
[ ... ]
Bill, I'm hoping that the wee smiling emoticon at the end indicates that you have said this as a joke. You can't really believe that I'm that stupid.

Brian, it was you who posted that these huge transformers could be bought over the internet via Alibaba (the Chinese equivalent of Amazon)!

[Ravenlocke]

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[Tintin]

Posted by Rizotto (here)
... November 20 CBC report...

"NATO secretary general says alliance must prepare for 'long haul' in Ukraine"
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/nat...aine-1.6658147


Many Canadians (but not all) know by now that CBC is an incredibly biased propaganda machine, frequently lying by omission.

Does anyone here have more information about this alleged 'demining operation in Kherson?

Oh good lord, and you genuinely have my sympathy here - we suffer here in the UK too via the BBC.

Remember this from Jordan Peterson a while back?

"The legacy media are in an unrecoverable death spiral, spinning ever more uncontrollably. The CBC has become a mewling, meandering, self-righteous, slogan-spewing narcissistic near-corpse."

Source: https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/...807?lang=en-GB

Couldn't have said it better myself and the second sentence there should serve as a strapline

As for the mines: I actually think that may (for a change) be mostly accurate but that's speculation only. Some commentators have suggested that RF allied forces did booby-trap the region north of Kherson City as a part of their tactical withdrawal and repositioning, and I've seen Telegram channel footage that seems to show that UKR forces lost a whole heap of men and equipment along the way as a result of the mining, when they weren't also being strafed in other ways.

[Ravenlocke]

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[Tintin]

Posted by Mashika (here)
what kind of cheese the moon is made off

Swiss, I think, as a result of the ballistic arc from Ukrainian S-300AD system missile batteries

[Ravenlocke]

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https://www.rt.com/russia/566953-un-...aine-shelling/

UN responds to Russian nuclear risk request

The UN doesn’t have the capability to identify those behind the attacks on the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant (ZNPP), a spokesman for the secretary-general said on Monday. The comment came in response to Russia's call on the International Atomic Energy Agency to do its job properly and acknowledge that the shelling came from the Ukrainian side.

Around 30 projectiles struck the ZNPP over the weekend, according to the Russian Defense Ministry. The nuclear energy corporation Rosatom said the damage caused to the facility’s spent fuel storage came close to triggering a disaster. Moscow said it was clear the fire came from the Ukrainian-held town of Marganets, but the IAEA has avoided naming any names.

“We have no way to determine” who carried out the attacks, Farhan Haq, deputy spokesman for UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres, told reporters on Monday.

“We would like these attacks to stop,” Haq added, noting that the Secretariat “shares the concerns” of IAEA Director General Rafael Grossi and “joins him in calling on all parties to cease fire” around the ZNPP.

Ukrainian attacks risk ‘nuclear disaster’ – Rosatom
Ukrainian attacks risk ‘nuclear disaster’ – Rosatom
Europe’s largest nuclear power plant has been under Russian control since February. Damage to the spent fuel containers risks a release of radioactive material into the atmosphere, with unpredictable consequences, Rosatom has warned.

Both Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov and Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said on Monday that the IAEA should fully do its duty and name names.

“As an authoritative and independent international body, [the IAEA] must finally move away from abstract condemnations and demands to stop the shelling of the ZNPP without addressing the culprit, and clearly and unambiguously point at those carrying out the attacks,” Zakharova said. “This requires determination and responsibility. We really hope that they will be shown.”

Zakharova also accused Western governments of giving a “blank check” to the government in Kiev for “continuing their reckless attempts to cause irreparable damage” to the ZNPP.

This weekend’s attacks were the first major incident at the ZNPP since early September, when the IAEA stationed permanent observers at the site. According to Rosatom official Renat Karchaa, the IAEA inspectors surveyed the damage on Monday, accompanied by a Russian ballistics expert, and were able to see that the attack had come from the Ukrainian side. That report was transmitted to the IAEA headquarters.

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[Ravenlocke]

https://sputniknews.com/20221122/sus...medium=twitter

Suspects in Multimillion Dollar 'Cryptocurrency Ponzi Scheme' Busted in Estonia

The suspects allegedly laundered their ill-gotten gains through shell companies and then bought luxury cars and real estate with the money.




Authorities in Estonia have arrested two locals accused of being involved in a $575 million cryptocurrency fraud scheme.
The suspects, two Estonian citizens named Sergei Potapenko and Ivan Turogin, are being charged by a court in the US with wire fraud and conspiracy to commit money laundering.
The suspects were allegedly involved in tricking people into investing into the cryptocurrency mining service HashFlare and virtual currency bank Polybius, with both of these ventures being nothing but pyramid schemes.

The suspects allegedly laundered the proceeds of this fraud through shell companies and then used that money buy luxury cars and real estate.
“These defendants capitalized on both the allure of cryptocurrency, and the mystery surrounding cryptocurrency mining, to commit an enormous Ponzi scheme,” said Seattle US Attorney Nick Brown.
Both Potapenko and Turogin now face extradition to the United States. Four other individuals from Estonia, Belarus and Switzerland were also reportedly charged in this case, but their identities were not yet revealed to the media.

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[JackMcThorn]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Fellow Aspirant (here)
I suspect it was programmed to gently land where they would see it to make sure the message was delivered.

Cruise missiles don't (and can't!) 'gently land'.

Our cruise missiles in the u.s. navy [Tomahawks] were rocket launched and then had a turbine engine for 1ooo mile range, the rocket part was really brief just to get it airborne. So it wasn't powered by the rocket for very long at all. We launched quite a few of these [approx. 45] in 1998 at Iraq from my ship. One missile failed and it came toward the ship; they disabled it mid-flight and it fell right into the drink instead of striking our ship. Several of us witnessed this event.

My ship had the launcher forward on the bow so we could be aft on the fantail and watch these things launch. Some ships have them forward and aft so no one is allowed on deck for those launches. So I was on watch in engineering when we started firing but it was an all night ordeal. After watch some of us engineers went to the fantail to see the action. So the rocket takes off [at night the rocket blast is so bright over the ship it looks like daylight brightness] and shortly [seconds later] you can here the whine of the turbine engine as it takes over flight. The turbine will allow speeds of over 5oo mph but it can change velocity and many times they are designed to 'loiter' in an area before getting details required for striking a target. These things have a margin of error of approximately 1o metres. Their navigation systems check terrain and make adjustments accordingly. The navy also fires missiles without warheads to test ship's defences. No one is allowed on deck when these tests occur. There are versions of Tomahawk missiles relative to land strike, surface to surface, and surface to ship. They are quite complicated and in 1998 they cost a cool 1.3 million american, per missile.

So I think there is a possibility to land a cruise missile in a precise location without munitions. Why would someone launch a million dollar missile to send a message? Well any military generally speaking have sullied reputations regarding it's brains and acumen. But I wouldn't immediately discount the opportunity. Russia from time to time seems to be sending messages relative to its potential in battle.

These new hyper-sonic missiles, certainly would not 'land gently'. They use rockets but also one of the three types of hyper-sonic missiles uses a scramjet engine and these are referred to as cruise missiles also but they are very different from turbine engines.

Notwithstanding, I think it is possible to send a million dollar message - but if it were me, I would not waste the resources in such a way.

[Pam]

Don't forget to watch the news.... I don't know what thread to put this in, if there is a better one please change. Wow, we are definitely in the world of smoke and mirrors.


Reporting live from the war in Ukraine...whoops wrong green screen I can fix that!





Source: https://www.bitchute.com/video/3yFGhmB37r92

[Vicus]

Russia’s former southern capital renounces its past: How Ukraine is destroying its heritage
Ukraine is turning into a significantly more homogeneous and far less culturally diverse country

In recent years, Ukraine has become the battleground for a ‘war of monuments’ waged among various political forces. In 2014, the process reached a peak during the mass demolition of statues of Vladimir Lenin and other Soviet politicians. These events fundamentally changed the symbolism and policy of the country's historical memory, paving the way to a reality in which any public speech must now be accompanied by the words ‘Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!’

This was the slogan of Stepan Bandera's World War Two nationalist movement, which collaborated with Adolf Hitler's Nazis and took part in the Holocaust.

Although Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky’s team initially tried to ‘reset’ the historical memory policy, radical nationalism got the upper hand in this symbolic battle. Following the start of Russia’s military operation, this year, the so-called ‘decommunization’ policy became openly known as ‘de-Russification’ – even with over half of the population officially recognized as Russian-speaking.

Memory wars
After Russian troops entered Ukraine in February, many locals projected their hatred of Moscow onto objects of cultural and historical heritage that were in any way linked to the Russian Empire or the Soviet Union. Meanwhile, politicians actively supported such sentiment, using it as a cheap way to boost their personal ratings.

Over the past months, the number of initiatives aimed at the cultural and historical ‘de-Russification’ of Ukraine have ballooned. Examples abound. The Kiev City Council recently renamed 11 streets having any reference to Russia (Lomonosov, Magnitogorsk, and Belomorskaya streets, among others). It also completely excluded the Russian language from the curricula of the capital’s kindergartens and schools. The decision was supported by 64 out of 120 deputies. Vadim Vasilchuk, head of the Standing Committee on Education, Science, Family, Youth and Sports of the body, commented that teaching Russian in the current situation is “inappropriate.” In fact, Kiev’s educational institutions stopped teaching the language in any shape or form (including as electives) at the beginning of the academic year.

Meanwhile, other Ukrainian cities saw a wave of ‘de-Pushkinization’ sweep through. In November, monuments to the great Russian poet were toppled in Kharkov and Zhitomir, while the monument in Odessa was painted over with the inscription ‘Get out!’ In Kiev, one of the oldest monuments to the bard had been taken down a few weeks earlier.

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