Israel vs Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War

[shaberon]

Posted by Rizotto (here)
All of this sends icy shivers down my spine, is anybody else feeling the evil emanating from such positions? So far, I've mostly been avoiding these 'christians', except for today where I soon found out that a fact-based rational discussion doesn't seem possible. What to say to christians who hold such disregard for palestinians? The complication is that this is someone with whom I had been working with on ending the covid mandates.

It's not off topic. Zionism is a Christian enterprise.

What I have learned to do is explain how this is British Fascism and reveal the ignorant interpretation of Ezekiel.

It can be followed up by showing how they have stolen the name "Christian" from its rightful owners, the enemy or i. e. Russians.

To me, it is ultra disgusting black magic, but I have learned to temper the tone and just show how it is all a Big Lie.

Those people happen to be deaf as posts. You will get one here and there who perhaps has decided to "repent", but for the most part, it is considered a mark of strength to be unchangeable.

[shaberon]

A few minutes ago from the relevant authority:


Abu Ubaida further underscored the resilience of resistance fighters, stating, “Despite the enemy’s possession of advanced security and military technology, they have failed to confront our fighters on the ground for over 60 hours. Despite the billions invested in their soldiers and their so-called elite forces, none of this has stood up to the moment of truth and confrontation with the Qassam elite.”

He went on to emphasize, “Our battles continue across multiple locations, with the constant rotation of forces, the dispatch of reinforcements armed with weapons and equipment, and the capture of prisoners. Our mujahideen have engaged in unrelenting clashes, culminating in the defeat of the entire Gaza division of the occupation army on the first day. Our fighters have effectively neutralized Merkava tanks and other military hardware.”

In closing, he issued a stern message to the occupation forces, saying, “We tell the occupation that the era of your triumphs has irrevocably ended, giving way to an era of defeat and setbacks. The Qassam Brigades maintain a firm grip on the direction of this battle, underpinned by an efficient command and control system, and we are fully prepared to endure for an extended duration.”

“In response to the occupation’s relentless attacks on innocent civilians in their homes, devoid of any prior warning, we have made the decision to put an end to these heinous crimes. For every act of aggression against our peaceful citizens, we will respond by executing civilian hostages, and we will provide irrefutable evidence through audio and video broadcasts.”

Abu Ubaida emphasized that “the enemy’s actions demonstrate a complete disregard for human values and ethics, and therefore, we will communicate with them in the language they understand.”


I'm guessing the dead and captured Brigadier Generals were not in on any "let's let them attack us" ploy. They just suck. Israelis and Saudis share one thing, being the worst soldiers on the face of the earth. The current claim is long term cooperation with some Israeli military:


The official underlined that the cooperation has not been limited to intelligence and the Palestinians have for a long time been procuring a large part of their equipment from the soldiers and the body of the Israeli military.

Yes, one would think mutiny is a pretty viable option for the mice.

From the other hand:


The Islamic Jihad leader revealed that the resistance faction currently holds over 30 Israeli captives...

“The enemy is breaking, in fact, it has already broken. Our courageous people are encircling the military installations and settlements of the enemy.” he said, adding “Our resolute people have, through their unwavering determination, brought a heavily armed enemy to its knees.”

Nakhalah tackled the series of Israeli attacks on Gaza, saying “The enemy erroneously believes that by perpetrating civilian massacres, it can shatter our people’s resolve. The enemy seeks to bolster its confidence through the destruction of homes in Gaza and the tragic loss of innocent lives. However, this remains a fallacious illusion.”

March!




Off the wire:

Haaretz: Israeli army is “not ready” for ground attack in Gaza, is operating from a position of weakness.

[re: ECOWAS]

White House says it shifted aircraft carrier to eastern Mediterranean to maintain “our readiness to defend our national security”

[the United States has owned the Mediterranean since 2,637 B. C.]

Jews spit at Christian worshippers

An Egyptian policeman has opened fire on tourists in the Mediterranean city of Alexandria, killing at least two Israelis

Venezuela’s Maduro says ‘Israel’ is committing genocide against the Palestinians

UN chief says ‘deeply distressed’ by planned Israeli siege of Gaza


As a paradigm of our rules-based order:




The Israeli regime has started using internationally banned white phosphorus in its bombing of the Gaza Strip, a report says, as the regime continues to target residential neighborhoods in the densely-populated Palestinian territory.


According to Jerusalem Post:

Blinken underscored that “I urged that all leaders in the region must condemn these appalling acts of terrorism.”


[they didn't]

The surprise Hamas attack that began early Saturday morning came amid a US push for a security pact with Saudi Arabia that would also include a normalization deal with Israel.

[sounds like a red line]


You cannot be at war with Hamas, because it is a terrorist, organized violence and threats of violence with a political message.

Israel cannot "unprovokedly" attack Syria, since this is an ongoing war since 1967. There, currently, the guy who "must go" due to the actions of terrorists:

President Bashar al-Assad and Mrs. Asma in Hangzhou International Airport


Current CFR advice:

Reject Turkey's demands that the United States end its military ties with the YPG.

and then:

4 days ago — The Pentagon says United States warplanes have shot down a Turkish drone, which was deemed a threat to its forces in Syria...


The decades of pretending to make a Zionist military means they have to be "surged" American ammunition, as if there is such a thing to be had, and then they probably better park the Gerald Ford at least 2,200 km outside of Iran's borders. Or was it 2,600. Fairly long reach to turn that thing into a graveyard. As to the Turkish or Egyptian admiration for such a thing, I am not sure they have adequate means to dispose of it.

The easiest thing to do would be unconditional surrender to Syria. Quick, easy way to sort this mess by someone with experience in such things.

[Sirus]

No country can take Iran. Its ring-fenced by mountains. The best we can hope for is another coup or to support the women's rights movement and play the long game.

[Vicus]

No, the Hamas Invasion Was Not an Israeli ‘Intelligence Failure’

One would have to be almost hopelessly naïve to buy the corporate state media line that the Hamas invasion yesterday morning was an Israeli “intelligence failure.”

Mossad is one of, if not the, most powerful intelligence agencies on the planet. It routinely shares intelligence, furthermore, with the “Five Eyes” intelligence services.

It has its tentacles deep inside of every ally and foe of import. Its spies are littered across the Gaza Strip, which is an effective open-air prison into which goods do not flow but for the blessing of the Israeli state. The Gaza Strip is arguably the most heavily surveilled geographic area on Earth.

The Hamas invasion of Southern Israel yesterday was an operation involving tens of thousands of operatives, at least, across land, sea, and air, using all manner of equipment and weaponry – drones, thousands of rockets, countless firearms, and even bulldozers that were positioned to knock down Israeli fencing.

And MSNBC and CNN would have you believe this was all a big “intelligence failure” by Mossad.

Bibi Netanyahu was in real political trouble before this conveniently timed invasion. Now, or at least this is the hope, Israelis will rally around the flag for some patriotic Palestinian ass-kicking and their Prime Minister’s imminently obvious corruption will be, at least temporarily, forgotten, if not forgiven.

Meanwhile, Israeli intelligence, rather than being punished for its “failure,” will use its “failure” as a pretext to garner more funding and more authorities for itself so as to prevent another such “failure.” The Hamas invasion was only a “failure” if one believes the goal of Mossad is to protect Israeli civilians rather than accrue more power for itself.

At a bare minimum, Mossad knew of the attack beforehand and let it happen for political convenience. More likely, in my view, is that it actively facilitated the attack.

The kind of person who would believe this was a big intelligence whoopsie are the same kind of people who would buy that a handful of semi-literate cave-dwellers halfway around the world singlehandedly pulled off the greatest terror attack in world history with no assistance from spooks and that buildings with structure fires at the top of them collapse at freefall speed neatly into their own footprints.

If you’re one of those – and I assume you’re not if you’re reading this – I don’t know what to tell you. Read a book or something.


https://armageddonprose.substack.com...ion-was-not-an

[Tintin]

Posted by Vicus (here)
No, the Hamas Invasion Was Not an Israeli ‘Intelligence Failure’

One would have to be almost hopelessly naïve to buy the corporate state media line that the Hamas invasion yesterday morning was an Israeli “intelligence failure.”

Mossad is one of, if not the, most powerful intelligence agencies on the planet. It routinely shares intelligence, furthermore, with the “Five Eyes” intelligence services.

It has its tentacles deep inside of every ally and foe of import. Its spies are littered across the Gaza Strip, which is an effective open-air prison into which goods do not flow but for the blessing of the Israeli state. The Gaza Strip is arguably the most heavily surveilled geographic area on Earth.

The Hamas invasion of Southern Israel yesterday was an operation involving tens of thousands of operatives, at least, across land, sea, and air, using all manner of equipment and weaponry – drones, thousands of rockets, countless firearms, and even bulldozers that were positioned to knock down Israeli fencing.

And MSNBC and CNN would have you believe this was all a big “intelligence failure” by Mossad.

Bibi Netanyahu was in real political trouble before this conveniently timed invasion. Now, or at least this is the hope, Israelis will rally around the flag for some patriotic Palestinian ass-kicking and their Prime Minister’s imminently obvious corruption will be, at least temporarily, forgotten, if not forgiven.

Meanwhile, Israeli intelligence, rather than being punished for its “failure,” will use its “failure” as a pretext to garner more funding and more authorities for itself so as to prevent another such “failure.” The Hamas invasion was only a “failure” if one believes the goal of Mossad is to protect Israeli civilians rather than accrue more power for itself.

At a bare minimum, Mossad knew of the attack beforehand and let it happen for political convenience. More likely, in my view, is that it actively facilitated the attack.

The kind of person who would believe this was a big intelligence whoopsie are the same kind of people who would buy that a handful of semi-literate cave-dwellers halfway around the world singlehandedly pulled off the greatest terror attack in world history with no assistance from spooks and that buildings with structure fires at the top of them collapse at freefall speed neatly into their own footprints.

If you’re one of those – and I assume you’re not if you’re reading this – I don’t know what to tell you. Read a book or something.


https://armageddonprose.substack.com...ion-was-not-an

Yes, that was a good neat read. I aver that IDF rebels unhappy with Netanyahu, and who want rid of him, worked with HAMAS (trans: Islamic Resistance Movement), perhaps even provided intel, to facilitate this? Not all elements of the Israeli military support Netanyahu and have openly stated that much. High-octane speculation there but it has to be possible.

That said, Scott Ritter in his recent MOATS interview with George Galloway has suggested it could very well have been a genuine intelligence failure as they've (IDF) now apparently delegated military decision-making to AI modelling and not as they had always done previously, with HUMINT.

In tempore veritas...

[All is one]

Haven't been able to read all the posts, but from the first instance I saw the news,
to me the whole thing smells like Albert Pike his prediction for WWIII. I hope I'm wrong.

[Rizotto]

I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere. The fact that Isreal has nukes. As far as I know, Isreal has not been willing to this day to publicly acknowledge that it has nukes, because of technical info they stole from the USA. But there you go, everybody knows they have nukes. Since the 1970s I vaguely recall. (Somebody please correct me on the exact year.)

Now the question is, at which point and how/where will Isreal use nukes? Many if not most of the surrounding arab countries have in recent days expressed support for palestinians since the recent Hamas attack, even Saudi Arabia. A coordinated fighting collaboration of all these arab countries against Isreal could be the trigger point.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Rizotto (here)
I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere. The fact that Isreal has nukes. As far as I know, Isreal has not been willing to this day to publicly acknowledge that it has nukes, because of technical info they stole from the USA. But there you go, everybody knows they have nukes. Since the 1970s I vaguely recall. (Somebody please correct me on the exact year.)

Now the question is, at which point and how/where will Isreal use nukes? Many if not most of the surrounding arab countries have in recent days expressed support for palestinians since the recent Hamas attack, even Saudi Arabia. A coordinated fighting collaboration of all these arab countries against Israel could be the trigger point.

The trigger point indeed. And yes re Israel's nukes... see this Wiki page (which is detailed and accurate) about Mordechai Vanunu, who broke the story. The exact year Israel became nuclear-capable isn't publicly known, as best I'm aware, but it was very likely in the 70s.

[Johan (Keyholder)]

As All is one pointed out, there is the letter of Albert Pike, written in 1871 to Mazzini, referring to three world wars "to come" (and planned).

He seems te have been right on the first two. Below the essence of the letter (Not sure whether it is 100% correctly given though; source:
https://ia601900.us.archive.org/16/i...%20Mazzini.pdf).

Following are apparently extracts from the letter, showing how Three World Wars have been planned for many generations.

"The First World War must be brought about in order to permit the Illuminati to overthrow the power of the Czars in Russia and of making that country a fortress of atheistic Communism. The divergences caused by the "agentur" (agents) of the Illuminati between the British and Germanic Empires will be used to foment this war. At the end of the war, Communism will be built and used in order to destroy the other governments and in order to weaken the religions."

"The Second World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine.

During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm."

"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other.

Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion… We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil.

Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view.

This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Rizotto (here)
I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere. The fact that Isreal has nukes. As far as I know, Isreal has not been willing to this day to publicly acknowledge that it has nukes, because of technical info they stole from the USA. But there you go, everybody knows they have nukes. Since the 1970s I vaguely recall. (Somebody please correct me on the exact year.)

Now the question is, at which point and how/where will Isreal use nukes? Many if not most of the surrounding arab countries have in recent days expressed support for palestinians since the recent Hamas attack, even Saudi Arabia. A coordinated fighting collaboration of all these arab countries against Israel could be the trigger point.

The trigger point indeed. And yes re Israel's nukes... see this Wiki page (which is detailed and accurate) about Mordechai Vanunu, who broke the story. The exact year Israel became nuclear-capable isn't publicly known, as best I'm aware, but it was very likely in the 70s.

We need to remember this:

The general showed Clark a classified memo from then-Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld that listed seven countries that were to be toppled by the U.S. military in the coming five years: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Iran. In that order.
https://www.wearethemighty.com/might...east-war-plan/

They are a bit behind schedule yet Iran is the last on the list to be toppled or extremely crippled....

Now that Israel is on the warpath and the US is supporting Israel and moving a battle ready carrier fleet etc, into play, most of the rhetoric is being directly aimed at Iran, Iran is quickly becoming the whole focus of this "Hamas Attack".

I highly expect an event within the US (sooner than later) to shock the masses in to supporting a huge escalation of war in the Middle East, specifically towards Iran.

Hopefully I am wrong but all things are falling right into the place for this to happen.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Alex Jones and David Icke predict the future all the time using the enemy's own written words, not some airy fairy hundred year old guess.
Don't need Picke.
No one that far out can predict the future.

Except the prophets, maybe.

There is no sense to be made but the obvious: we are being played again in a problem reaction solution scenario. All planned. Both sides played against the middle.

We, the entire world, need Trump back in office...

[Dennis Leahy]

A few months ago, with all eyes on Ukraine, I noticed that Israel was rattling sabres at Iran, and it felt different than their usual propaganda, as if they were actually setting the scene for attacking Iran.

(In my strong opinion) Israel wasn't just instrumental in 9/11, the Mossad did more than plant explosives in WTC buildings. Israel was the main recipient of benefit from 9/11, and the operation - using the US military as their chess pieces, destroyed most of Greater Israel's enemies, the "7 countries in 5 years", just as General Wesley Clark said the Pentagon official told him, "...and finishing off Iran." The US Deep State has shown itself time and time again to be Zionist. Zionism supporters are Deep State supporters.

I believe that the Zio-Hamas attack on Zio-Israel was not really just about crushing Palestinians and stealing more of Palestine, but actually was a false flag operation with the ultimate goal of getting the (US Deep State controlled) US military to "finish off Iran."

If you heard the speech (yesterday or the day before) from Trump, and paid little attention to his campaigning against Biden and listened to the meat and potatoes of his speech, you should realize that Donald Trump is indeed a programmed stooge for the Zio Deep State, the Zio-Nazis. He bragged about helping Israel steal the oil-rich Syrian "Golan Heights", bragged about being the greatest friend to Israel, bragged about moving the US embassy to Jerusalem, and even doubled down on his racist stance against Arabs and bragged about prohibiting Arabs from even entering the US (from the president that was going to cut through the bullsh!t official narrative of 19 Arabs with boxcutters orchestrating 9/11. Yeah, right.) Moreover, he didn't just assail Biden for being a sleepy incompetent crook, but pummeled him for being weak, and asserted that Biden's weakness caused the Zio-Hamas attack - further goading the Biden-fronted cabal to attack Iran. As I've said before, the Deep State is happy to work with Trump, he does everything they want - his enemy is the DNC cabal.

Gaza wasn't the target, Iran is.

[Gwin Ru]

...

... this one hits hard, from a different historical perspective:

Forcing Prophesy and Justifying Mass Murder 38:22

October 9, 2023

roypotterqa
@RoystonPotter

Source: https://odysee.com/$/embed/@RoystonPotter:b/forcing-prophesy-and-justifying-mass:3

Roy also mentioned Ray McGovern's answers belittling the Hamas facilitated excursion... which makes me very suspicious about who is buttering the other 3's bread (Macgregor, Ritter and Johnson)?

[Vicus]

Putin: Current Situation in Middle East Serves as Example of US Policy Failure 4 hours ago (Updated: 1 hour ago)

Russian President Vladimir Putin has expressed his regrets about the recent escalation of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and described it as a failure of the US policy in the Middle East.

Vladimir Putin made remarks about the current volatile situation in the Middle East as he met with Iraqi Prime Minister Mohammed Al Sudani in Moscow to discuss relations between Russia and Iraq.
Commenting on the events that transpire in the Gaza Strip and at the adjacent Israeli territories, Putin described it as a "clear example" of the US foreign policy in the Middle East.

According to the Russian president, the US government actively sought to "monopolize" the resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict but instead of seeking a compromise, solutions that would have been acceptable for both sides, pushed their own vision of how this decades-old conflict should be resolved.

"The Ukrainian crisis continues, and, unfortunately, we see a sharp escalation of the situation in the Middle East. I think that many will agree with me that this is a clear example of the failure of the policy of the United States in the Middle East, which tried to monopolize the settlement, but, unfortunately, was not concerned with finding compromises acceptable to both sides, but, on the contrary, promoted its own ideas about how it should be done," Putin said.

The US put pressure on both sides of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, each time without taking into account the fundamental interests of the Palestinian people, the president said, referring to the need to implement decisions by the UN Security Council on the creation of an independent sovereign Palestinian state.

https://sputnikglobe.com/20231010/pu...collaboration2

[Ernie Nemeth]

It is not about who is in what cabal. It is about common sense policy.
Trump's got it, Biden doesn't.
Kennedy would be acceptable but he has no path to victory.

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
It is not about who is in what cabal. It is about common sense policy.
Trump's got it, Biden doesn't.
Kennedy would be acceptable but he has no path to victory.

Hi Ernie,

I'm trying to keep my observations pertinent to this thread about the Zio-Hamas false flag against Zio-Israel, and my observation that the US Deep State is Zionist and is and has been supporting and facilitating Zionist agenda (whether the Zionist-supporting, Deep State-supporting presidents realize it or not.)

I strongly disagree that it is not about who supports Zionist agenda, as that was my point. Remember that quite often, the smartest answer to the question of who the bad guys are is, " ☒ All of the above."

Let's move any discussion about supporting Trump or expounding on the "common sense policy" and "path to victory" that you believe Trump has laid out in one of the Trump threads. I'd love to hear your observations on what specifically "common sense policy" and "path to victory" actually means, beyond nebulous, jingoistic phrases, because I honestly have not heard them laid out.

[Inversion]

This video gives a good overview of the events in the Middle East. I think it's staged to traumatize the regional population into accepting the construction of the third temple. Hamas claims they've done this in response to the attack on Al-Aqsa Mosque. That's a stone's throw from the Dome of the Rock.

10/10/23

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=d5slJTFa-u8

00:43 - What is Gaza?
01:01 - Who are Hamas?
01:53 - Why is the war different?
02:05 - Hamas attack on October 7th
03:07 - How Israel was taken by surprise
04:40 - Israel's attack on Gaza
05:41 - Why is this happening now?
06:32 - The impact of Israel's occupation on Palestinians
07:28 - What could happen next?

[eagle0027]

David Ike just did a presentation part of which was discussing Albert Pike...quite informative.

[shaberon]

Posted by All is one (here)
Haven't been able to read all the posts, but from the first instance I saw the news,
to me the whole thing smells like Albert Pike his prediction for WWIII. I hope I'm wrong.

It would be wrong because that letter is a hoax.

Three exclusive religions claiming the same holy land might be more of the difficulty.

[shaberon]

Posted by Tintin (here)
I aver that IDF rebels unhappy with Netanyahu, and who want rid of him, worked with HAMAS (trans: Islamic Resistance Movement), perhaps even provided intel, to facilitate this? Not all elements of the Israeli military support Netanyahu and have openly stated that much. High-octane speculation there but it has to be possible.

No speculation, we were just told that IDF has been cooperating for years.

They and other Israelis facilitate the re-designation of Ukrainian black market weapons as well.

Danger may cause people to switch sides or take pledges quickly, and appear like "solidarity", but some Israelis and definitely Jews Against Zionism do not like the squatter government.


Here is how video victory is playing out:



First, the video shows the dead bodies of four Palestinian militants lying with weapons. However, the footage shared by the Israeli military reveals that the militants were shot after they surrendered. Moreover, the footage from the drone confirmed that the victims were not armed and Israeli servicemen later put weapons next to the bodies, apparently in an attempt to hide their war crime and declare a descent victory.

“We have abolished all the rules of warfare. Our soldiers will not be held responsible for anything. There will be no military courts,” Yoav Galant, the head of the Israeli Defense Ministry, declared on October 10.