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    Default Re: Israel vs Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War

    Theoretically, this is the stuff that's supposed to spring neo-Nazis out of the woodwork, but that's not what's happening is it:


    Transport Ministry: Israeli aggression puts Damascus and Aleppo airports out of service

    Hezbollah Attacks Again Israeli Occupation Sites on Lebanon Borders

    Chinese Embassy Says 'Stop Groundless Hyping' of Its Navy Deployment to Mideast

    How about a phone call:


    Russian diplomats are verifying reports about the death of a Russia-speaking family in the Gaza Strip, they may be citizens of a CIS country, the Russian foreign ministry told TASS on Sunday.

    "Russian diplomats are currently verifying media reports about the death of a Russian-speaking family in the settlement of Der Al-Balah (in central Gaza) as a result of Israeli strikes. According to reports, a woman and her children were killed," it said. "According to preliminary information, they are citizens of a CIS country."


    That's an "if" but there "are" some 1,000+ actual Russians in there.

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    Quote Israel’s Culture of Deceit

    Israel, which always seeks to blame Palestinians for the atrocities it carries out, is the least trustworthy source about the bombing of the hospital in Gaza.

    Israel was founded on lies. The lie that Palestinian land was largely unoccupied. The lie that 750,000 Palestinians fled their homes and villages during their ethnic cleansing by Zionist militias in 1948 because they were told to do so by Arab leaders. The lie that it was Arab armies that started the 1948 war that saw Israel seize 78 percent of historic Palestine. The lie that Israel faced annihilation in 1967, forcing it to invade and occupy the remaining 22 percent of Palestine, as well as land belonging to Egypt and Syria.
    Israel is sustained by lies. The lie that Israel wants a just and equitable peace and will support a Palestinian state. The lie that Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East. The lie that Israel is an “outpost of Western civilization in a sea of barbarism.” The lie that Israel respects the rule of law and human rights.
    Israel’s atrocities against the Palestinians are always greeted with lies. I heard them. I recorded them. I published them in my stories for The New York Times when I was the paper’s Middle East Bureau Chief.
    I covered war for two decades, including seven years in the Middle East. ...

    -Chris Hedges
    Read the rest of his article at Substack, here: https://chrishedges.substack.com/p/israels-culture-of-deceit
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    Same card that was played in Iraq and Syria....

    Quote Herzog confirms Israel found Hamas files with instructions for making chemical weapons
    Israeli President Isaac Herzog confirmed on Sunday Axios' report that the IDF found a USB key with instructions for producing a "cyanide dispersion device" on the body of a Hamas operative who participated in the Oct. 7 terrorist attack.
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    Peace and love. This is what all human beings living in Israel, Palestine and throughout the world need.

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    God’s Chosen People and the “Moral” West October 22, 2023


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    More than 2 million Palestinian people have now been without running water, electricity, food, medicine, for 10 days.

    After instituting the blockade of Gaza, Israel dropped 4,000 tons of bombs on Gaza in a 5 day period (Oct 7 – 12). Nine more days have passed with continued heavy bombing; if continued at the same rate, Israel has dropped more than 10,000 tons of bombs – 2 million pounds of high-explosive — on the people of Gaza.

    Israel told 1.1 million Palestinians that they had 24 hours to leave northern Gaza or else be bombed. The JDAM bombs being dropped on Gaza were supplied to Israel by the US. Many thousands have been killed since the bombing began. 52% of the Palestinians in Gaza are under 18 years of age; a huge percentage of those Palestinians being killed and wounded are children.

    This is blatant ethnic cleansing and it is receiving the full support of the United States. In the UN Security Council, the US has twice vetoed Resolutions calling for a ceasefire in Gaza; the vote on the second attempt was 14 to 1, with the US being the only no vote with their veto. The US does not want a ceasefire, it wants war, and thus has sent Carrier Battle Groups, squadrons of A-10 Warthogs, and thousands of Marines in preparation to back up an Israeli ground assault into Gaza.

    The US is now complicit in the massive war crime being committed in Gaza by Israel. All the endless US speeches about freedom and democracy ring hollow in the face of this atrocity. And these crimes are likely to get much worse once Israel sends hundreds of thousands of troops into Gaza.

    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/202...he-moral-west/


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    Could this be an attempt at Israel's 3rd option, and face saving move ?

    https://twitter.com/chuckcallesto/st...50178896679330
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    • Dave Chappelle BOO'D, Audience WALKS OUT After He Accuses Israel Of War Crimes: Report

    Briahna Joy Gray and Robby Soave react to Dace Chappelle's bit on the Israel-Palestine conflict.
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    • Douglas Macgregor: "DEVASTATING! Israel just made a fatal mistake..."

    Douglas Macgregor: "DEVASTATING! Israel just made a fatal mistake..." Colonel Douglas Macgregor, in a recent statement made just an hour ago, offers his perspective on the future of Israel.
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    INTEL - Refueling Tankers Up and C-17 Airlift in progress

    Whatever is going on, it appears it's going to be sudden and very big.

    One former colleague I spoke with this morning told me "By this time tomorrow, the world will be a very different place." He did not specify what he meant.

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    Quote Posted by Lunesoleil (here)


    Peace and love. This is what all human beings living in Israel, Palestine and throughout the world need.
    Sweet. The caption reads: “Coming from Sint-Joost-ten-Node” (in Dutch, and in French Saint-Josse-ten-Noode, meaning “the Holy Just one in where Need is”), the Brussels commune where I lived since 2000 before moving to France. About 50,000 inhabitants, more than 150 languages spoken, all religions present, no friction, no quarrels (or almost: once a skirmish between Turks and Kurds), just a healthy lot of children and excellent food shops and markets. Non-violent “multiculturalism” exists: it is a crowded neighbourhood (commune) in the centre of Brussels.

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    2 more hostages released.

    Video shows released two Israeli hostages
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    It's long been argued, often very persuasively, that Alex Jones has ties to Israel that control him.

    Now we know.

    https://t.me/rtnews/50127

    The text: (but you have to listen to this if you can)
    ‘Level northern Gaza’: Controversial commentator Alex Jones details how he would deal with the Israel-Hamas conflict.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    It's long been argued, often very persuasively, that Alex Jones has ties to Israel that control him.
    Fist-in-glove with the defense industry and legion of disinformation.

    The giveaway was that during early research into the Pilgrims' Society was that this argumentative, loud person fell dead silent.

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    Quote Posted by Michel Leclerc (here)
    About 50,000 inhabitants, more than 150 languages spoken, all religions present, no friction, no quarrels (or almost: once a skirmish between Turks and Kurds), just a healthy lot of children and excellent food shops and markets. Non-violent “multiculturalism” exists: it is a crowded neighbourhood (commune) in the centre of Brussels.

    That sounds important.

    Even the partly-educated among us would guess the place was named for St. Justin the Martyr or something like that, but, it sounds like this just means plain old Justice, which is a huge difference.

    Sounds less messy than Freetown Christiana.

    Let me make a new guess, the European Union that would like to pose the official "we stand with Israel", claims this group as its inspiration and success, inverting the message.

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    ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD | Israel/Palestine | Hebrew & Arabic | 83" | 2013 (Documentary Film)

    Former West Bank settler Lia Tarachansky looks at Israelis’ collective amnesia of the fateful events of 1948 when the state of Israel was born and most of the Palestinians became refugees. She follows the transformation of Israeli veterans trying uncover their denial of the war that changed the region forever.

    Tarachansky then turns the camera on herself and travels back to her settlement where that historical erasure gave birth to a new generation, blind and isolated from its surroundings. Attempting to shed a light on the country’s biggest taboo, she is met with outrage and violence.

    I've added the link to the video, which is on Vimeo (1hr 23 mins)

    https://vimeo.com/117772052


    Source: Watch on Vimeo

    Just finished watching this and wanted to give a thanks by posting a couple outtakes from the film that struck me particularly strongly -

    https://mega.nz/file/B7VD1CRQ#dO6m5q...takM6-h5eEFGM8


    "Before 48 we were all together. Jewish and Muslims, living together. Even my grandfather, he was telling me the stories. That we were all together, sharing everything together. If somebody need help from the Jewish, we give him help. So what's happened is the zionists came and destroyed everything. So, we are not saying that the Jewish is bad or that we don't want to live with them - no way! No way. We just want to come back to our lands" - Khalil Abu Hamdeh

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    From the former New York Times Middle East Bureau Chief -

    Chris Hedges: Israel’s Culture of Deceit
    October 18, 2023
    https://scheerpost.com/2023/10/18/ch...ure-of-deceit/
    Israel, which always seeks to blame Palestinians for the atrocities it carries out, is the least trustworthy source about the bombing of the hospital in Gaza.

    By Chris Hedges / Original to ScheerPost

    Israel was founded on lies. The lie that Palestinian land was largely unoccupied. The lie that 750,000 Palestinians fled their homes and villages during their ethnic cleansing by Zionist militias in 1948 because they were told to do so by Arab leaders. The lie that it was Arab armies that started the 1948 war that saw Israel seize 78 percent of historic Palestine. The lie that Israel faced annihilation in 1967, forcing it to invade and occupy the remaining 22 percent of Palestine, as well as land belonging to Egypt and Syria.

    Israel is sustained by lies. The lie that Israel wants a just and equitable peace and will support a Palestinian state. The lie that Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East. The lie that Israel is an “outpost of Western civilization in a sea of barbarism.” The lie that Israel respects the rule of law and human rights.

    Israel’s atrocities against the Palestinians are always greeted with lies. I heard them. I recorded them. I published them in my stories for The New York Times when I was the paper’s Middle East Bureau Chief.

    I covered war for two decades, including seven years in the Middle East. I learned quite a bit about the size and lethality of explosive devices. There is nothing in the arsenal of Hamas or Islamic Jihad that could have replicated the massive explosive power of the missile that killed an estimated 500 civilians in the al-Ahli Arab Christian hospital in Gaza. Nothing. If Hamas or Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) had these kinds of missiles, huge buildings in Israel would be rubble with hundreds of dead. They don’t.

    The whistling sound, audible on the video moments before the explosion, appears to comes from the high velocity of a missile. This sound gives it away. No Palestinian rocket makes this noise. And then there is the speed of the missile. Palestinian rockets are slow and lumbering, clearly visible as they arch in the sky and then tumble in free fall towards their targets. They do not strike with precision or travel at close to supersonic speed. They are incapable of killing hundreds of people.

    The Israeli military dropped “roof knocking” rockets with no warheads on the hospital in the days leading up to the Oct. 17 strike, the familiar warning given by Israel to evacuate buildings, according to al-Ahli hospital officials. Hospital officials also said they had received calls from Israel saying “we warned you to evacuate twice.” Israel has demanded that all hospitals in northern Gaza be evacuated.

    Following the strike on the hospital, Hananya Naftali, a “digital aide” to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, posted on X, formerly Twitter: “Israeli Air Force struck a Hamas terrorist base inside a hospital in Gaza.” The post was quickly deleted.

    Since the Oct. 7 incursion into Israel by Palestinian resistance fighters, which reportedly left some 1,300 Israelis dead, many of them civilians, and saw some 200 kidnapped as hostages and taken to Gaza, Israel has carried out 51 attacks on healthcare facilities in Gaza that have killed 15 healthcare workers and injured 27, according to the World Health Organization (WHO). Out of 35 hospitals in Gaza, four are not functioning due to severe damage and targeting. Only eight of the 22 UNRWA primary healthcare centers are “partially functional,” the WHO says.

    The brazenness of Israeli lies stunned those of us who reported from Gaza. It did not matter if we had seen the Israeli attack, including the shooting of unarmed Palestinians. It did not matter how many witnesses we interviewed. It did not matter what photographic and forensic evidence we obtained. Israel lied. Small lies. Big lies. Huge lies. These lies came reflexively and instantly from the Israeli military, Israeli politicians and Israeli media. They were amplified by Israel’s well-oiled propaganda machine and repeated with a cloying sincerity on international news outlets.

    Israel engages in the kinds of jaw-dropping lies that characterize despotic regimes. It does not deform the truth, it inverts it. It paints a picture that is diametrically opposed to reality. Those of us who have covered the occupied territories have run into Israel’s Alice-in-Wonderland narratives, which we dutifully insert into our stories — required under the rules of American journalism — although we know they are untrue.

    Israel has invented an Orwellian lexicon. Children killed by Israelis become children caught in crossfire. The bombing of residential districts, with dozens of dead and wounded, becomes a surgical strike on a bomb-making factory. The destruction of Palestinian homes becomes the demolition of the homes of terrorists.

    The Big Lie — Große Lüge — feeds the two reactions Israel seeks to elicit — racism among its supporters and terror among its victims. The Big Lies fosters the myth of a clash of civilizations, a war between democracy, decency and honor on one side and Islamic terrorism, barbarism and medievalism on the other.

    George Orwell in his novel “Nineteen Eighty-Four” called the Big Lie “doublethink”. Doublethink uses “logic against logic” and “repudiate[s] morality while laying claim to it.” The Big Lie abolishes nuances, ambiguities and contradictions that can plague conscience. It is designed to create cognitive dissonance. It permits no gray zones. The world is black and white, good and evil, righteous and unrighteous. The Big Lie allows believers to take comfort — a comfort they are desperately seeking — in their own moral superiority even as they abrogate all morality. It feeds, what Edward Bernays called, the “logic-proof compartment of dogmatic adherence.” All effective propaganda, Bernays writes, targets and builds upon these irrational “psychological habits.”

    Israeli supporters thirst for these lies. They do not want to know the truth. The truth would force them to examine their racism, self-delusion and complicity in oppression, murder and genocide.

    Most importantly, the Big Lie sends an ominous message to the Palestinians. The Big Lie states that Israel will wage a campaign of mass terror and genocide and never take responsibility for its crimes. The Big Lie obliterates the truth. It obliterates the dignity of human thought and human action. It obliterates facts. It obliterates history. It obliterates comprehension. It obliterates hope. It reduces all communication to the language of violence. When oppressors speak to the oppressed exclusively through indiscriminate violence, the oppressed answer through indiscriminate violence.

    The cartoonist Joe Sacco and I watched Israeli soldiers taunt and shoot small boys in the Khan Younis refugee camp in Gaza. We interviewed the boys and their parents afterwards in the hospital. In a few cases we attended their funerals. We had their names. We had the dates and locations of the shootings.

    Israel’s response was to say that we were not in Gaza. We had made it up.

    The Israeli Prime Minister, Foreign Minister, Defense Minister and Israeli Defense Force (IDF) spokesperson immediately blamed the killing of the Al Jazeera journalist Shireen Abu Akleh in 2022, on Palestinian gunmen. Israel disseminated footage of a Palestinian fighter they said shot and killed the journalist, who was wearing a flak jacket and helmet marked “PRESS.”

    Benny Gantz, who was at the time Defense Minister, stated that “no [Israeli] gunfire was directed at the journalist,” and that the Israeli army had “seen footage of indiscriminate shooting by Palestinian terrorists”.

    This lie was peddled until video footage examined by B’Tselem, The Israeli Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories, identified the location of the Palestinian gunman depicted in the video. The video, the human rights organization found, was taken in a different location from where Shireen was killed.

    When Israel is caught lying, as it was with the murder of Shireen, it promises an investigation. But these investigations are a sham. Impartial investigations into the hundreds of killings by soldiers and Jewish settlers of Palestinians are rarely carried out. Perpetrators are almost never brought to trial or held accountable. The pattern of Israeli obfuscation is predictable. So is the collusion of nearly all of the corporate media along with Republican and Democratic politicians. U.S. politicians decried the murder of Shireen and dutifully repeated the old mantra, calling for a “thorough investigation” by the army that carried out the crime.

    A few months later, Israel admitted that there was a “high possibility” that an Israeli soldier killed the journalist by accident, but by then the eruption of street protests and rage over the killing of the journalist was over and her murder largely forgotten.

    By the time the conclusive proof comes out about the bombing of the hospital, it too will be a distant memory.

    There is dramatic footage captured in September 2000 at the Netzarim junction in the Gaza Strip — where I saw a nineteen-year-old boy shot and killed by an Israeli sniper — by France 2 TV, of a father trying to shield his traumatized 12-year-old son, Muhammad al-Durrah, from Israeli gunfire that ultimately killed him.

    The killing of the boy resulted in the typical propaganda campaign by Israel. Israeli officials spent years lying about the killing, first blaming the Palestinians for the shooting, later suggesting that the scene was faked, and finally insisting the boy was still alive.

    When an Israeli soldier, in 2003, murdered the 23-year-old student and American activist Rachel Corrie, by crushing her to death with a bulldozer as she tried to prevent the illegal demolition of a Palestinian doctor’s home, the Israeli army said it was an accident for which Corrie was responsible.

    The Israeli military has killed “at least” 20 journalists since 2001, with no accountability, according to a 2023 report by the New York-based Committee to Protect Journalists. “Immediately after a journalist is killed by security forces, Israeli officials often push out a counter narrative to media reporting,” the CPJ concluded. This includes blaming the deaths on “indiscriminate fire” by Palestinians or attempts to discredit those killed as “terrorists.”

    Israel blocks the work of independent human rights organizations into atrocities and war crimes it commits in Gaza and the West Bank. It refuses to cooperate with the International Criminal Court into possible war crimes in the Occupied Territories. It does not cooperate with the U.N. Human Rights Council and prohibits the U.N. Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Palestinian territories occupied since 1967, from entering the country. Israel revoked the work permit for Omar Shakir, the Director of Human Rights Watch (Israel and Palestine), in 2018 and expelled him. In May 2018, Israeli Ministry of Strategic Affairs and Public Diplomacy published a report calling on the European Union and European states to halt their direct and indirect financial support and funding to Palestinian and international human rights organizations that “have ties to terror and promote boycotts against Israel.”

    After the bombing of the hospital, Israel first released a video that purported to show Palestinian Islamic Jihad rockets which struck the hospital. The Israelis hastily removed the video when journalists noticed that time stamps showed the images were taken 40 minutes after the strike on the hospital.

    Israeli propagandists — aware that Palestinian rockets have little explosive power — then claimed that Hamas stored munitions under the hospital. This caused the massive explosion, they said. But if this was true, it would mean there would be a secondary explosion. There was none. And now Israel has released what they say is a recording of two Hamas militants discussing the missile strike on the hospital. The militants ask each other, in a self-incriminating conversation that is too ridiculous to believe, if Hamas or PIJ carried out the strike. Please. How was Israel completely in the dark about an incursion by thousands of armed Palestinian militants from Gaza into Israel on Oct. 7 and able to capture this incriminating conversation by two supposed militants?

    “Israel has a whole unit of ‘mistaravim’, Israeli Jewish undercover agents trained to pose as Palestinians and secretly operate among Palestinians,” the reporter Jonathan Cook writes. “Israel produced a highly popular TV series about such people in Gaza called Fauda. You have to be beyond credulous to think that Israel couldn’t, and wouldn’t, rig up a call like this to fool us, just as it regularly fools Palestinians in Gaza.”

    Israel has also long targeted medical facilities, ambulances and medics, as Middle East scholar Norman Finkelstein points out. It bombed a Palestinian children’s hospital during the 1982 war in Lebanon, killing 60 people. It also carried out missile strikes on clearly marked Lebanese ambulances during the 2006 war between Israel and Lebanon. It damaged or destroyed 29 ambulances and almost half of Gaza’s health facilities, including 15 hospitals, during the 2008-2009 assault on Gaza known as Operation Cast Lead. It routinely prohibited wounded Palestinians from being picked up by ambulances during this operation, often leaving them to die. During Operation Protective Edge, the 51-day assault on Gaza in 2014, Israel destroyed or damaged 17 hospitals and 56 primary healthcare centers and damaged or destroyed 45 ambulances.

    You can see my interview, released today, with Professor Finkelstein about Gaza and Israel here.

    Amnesty International, which investigated the Israeli attacks on three of these hospitals in 2014, dismissed the “evidence” for the attacks offered by Israel as false. “The image tweeted by the Israeli military does not match satellite images of the al-Wafa hospital and appears to depict a different location,” the report read.

    Expose Israeli lies and you are attacked by Israel and its supporters as an anti-Semite and apologist for terrorists. You are banished from mainstream media. You are denied forums to speak about the issue and, as has happened to me, disinvited from university events.

    It is an old game, one I have played as a reporter many, many times. I bear the scars of the lies spewed out by Israel and its lobby. Meanwhile, Israel continues its butchery, endorsed and even lauded by Western political leaders, including Joe Biden, who accompany the torrent of lies from Israel like a Wagnerian chorus.

    https://scheerpost.com/2023/10/18/ch...ure-of-deceit/

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    --23/10/23--Interview with Cenk Uygur ( from The Young Turks) starts at 30 min.
    I am not a fan of Cenk,but here he is doing a good job defending the rights of the Palestinians.

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    This is a rather disturbing interview about what could possibly happen if the events with Gaza continue to escalate.
    I tend to mostly agree with Macgregor's common-sense analysis and perspective....

    Tucker Carlson talked with Col. Douglas Macgregor about the possibility of war with Iran
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    https://x.com/ShaykhSulaiman/status/1716557323928264918


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