Israel vs Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War

[shaberon]

Posted by ozmirage (here)

Posted by Rizotto (here)
Something like this: The world needs to unite and sanction Isreal NOW, put a complete blockade against Isreal, until they stop their illegal occupation of Palestinian territories.

ACTUALLY, you should substitute ISLAM for Israel.

The world needs to unite and sanction ISLAM NOW, put a complete blockade against ISLAM, until they stop their illegal implementation of shari'ah.
Think of all conflicts around the world, that would immediately cease!

First thing that comes to mind would be an objection to any new Caliphates.

We know of one such scheme, Daesh, or ISIS, whose remnants are being protected by an American occupation of Syria.

Saudi Arabia is perhaps an "officialized" one, who, only recently, diminished a similar genocide they were attempting on Yemenis.

None of them qualify as any kind of reason that Israel should get by.

Islam is not a country and cannot be sanctioned.

Many countries with Muslim majority populations have food and other cultural enrichments that I, personally, want, so I would prefer to maintain open channels.

[shaberon]

Posted by Ravenlocke (here)
Nicaragua's ORTEGA (with Russia Security Chief):

"The blood spilled in Palestine and the blood spilled in Ukraine is blood spilled because of the Nazi fascist attitude of the governments in NATO... We are facing an attempt by world capitalism, by imperialism, to re-implant fascism and Nazism."

That is how this is widely understood.

Russia hasn't got any traditional ties to Nicaragua. These are two totally different people from across the world from each other speaking different languages and they can see this.

What is the matter with English?

[ozmirage]

Posted by shaberon (here)
None of them qualify as any kind of reason that Israel should get by.

Islam is not a country and cannot be sanctioned.

Many countries with Muslim majority populations have food and other cultural enrichments that I, personally, want, so I would prefer to maintain open channels.

So if HAMAS hides their tunnels under schools, hospitals, cemetaries, and uses human shields, it's the fault of ISRAEL?
OK.

True, Islam is not a country. However, admitting Muslims into a non-Muslim nation won't end well. Just look at the enclaves appearing all over Europe and America. Whole towns are "sealed off" from infidel pollution.

No one objects to a Muslim country that minds its own business. But when it turns a blind eye to jihadis committing rape, kidnaping, and murder, perhaps we should be miffed.

And as the past history of Islam shows, Muslims tend to fall into behaviors that mimic their "perfect man" (commerce raiding, taking slaves, waging endless wars, etc). Worse, is when they commit a breach that they feel is unforgiveable, and then decide to become martyrs to get their ticket to paradise punched. What else explains the bizarre isolated attacks with knives against armed police?

[Blastolabs]

Posted by ozmirage (here)
So if HAMAS hides their tunnels under schools, hospitals, cemetaries, and uses human shields, it's the fault of ISRAEL?
OK

Serious question Ozmirage: Have you ever personally met a mean Muslim person?

I have not. I had 2 Muslim roommates in college (or is the correct word Islamic?) from completely opposite sides of the Muslim world.

One roommate was from Indonesia, he grew up with money and when describing things in Indonesia often said things like, "You just bribe man?!"
He was an extremely kind generous human being especially compared to the average kid at this college.

The other roommate was in his 30's grew up poor in Syria, he barely knew English and had never been anywhere but Syria on the day he showed up to be my roommate. (He had a scholarship from the US state department, which seems kinda on now eh?)
He also prayed 5 times a day and washed his feet before prayer ever time.
He was even more kind and generous than the other roommate and loved his country and brought many pictures to show us, (this was just before we destroyed Syria sadly.)


That is just two people, but I've met many more and they have always been nicer than average.

So Oz, have you met a mean Muslim? Where do your assumptions about this culture come from?

[ozmirage]

Posted by Blastolabs (here)

Posted by ozmirage (here)
So if HAMAS hides their tunnels under schools, hospitals, cemetaries, and uses human shields, it's the fault of ISRAEL?
OK

Serious question Ozmirage: Have you ever personally met a mean Muslim person?

I have not. I had 2 Muslim roommates in college (or is the correct word Islamic?) from completely opposite sides of the Muslim world.

One roommate was from Indonesia, he grew up with money and when describing things in Indonesia often said things like, "You just bribe man?!"
He was an extremely kind generous human being especially compared to the average kid at this college.

The other roommate was in his 30's grew up poor in Syria, he barely knew English and had never been anywhere but Syria on the day he showed up to be my roommate. (He had a scholarship from the US state department, which seems kinda on now eh?)
He also prayed 5 times a day and washed his feet before prayer ever time.
He was even more kind and generous than the other roommate and loved his country and brought many pictures to show us, (this was just before we destroyed Syria sadly.)

That is just two people, but I've met many more and they have always been nicer than average.

So Oz, have you met a mean Muslim? Where do your assumptions about this culture come from?

Perhaps it didn't resonate that Muslims can lie and deceive infidels (act nice towards them - before lopping off their heads).

But you can bet that these "nice" Muslims have never opposed jihadis, never were aghast over Islamic conquests (700+ Million dead), or dared to protest the Shari'a chopping off of hands, or husbands beating wives, or killing Homosexuals by throwing them off roofs, did they?

When Muslims attack infidels, "nice" Muslims don't denounce them.
Are they really nice?
Or are we being DUPED?

Winston Churchill stated:

"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.

"The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, Slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

"A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

"Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.

"No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome."

- - - Winston S. Churchill

http://www.amazon.com/River-War-Sir-...8411221&sr=8-1

This may explain why Prez BHO sent back Churchill's bust. Muslims detested Winston.

Anecdotal - In the neighborhood where I grew up, there was an enclave of Lebanese Christians who were driven out of Lebanon by "peaceful, nice" Muslims. When Muslims are a small minority, they're oh so nice. But once they get sufficient numbers - wuh woh, Scooby.

They want Dar es Salaam - the Islamic House of Peace - dominion over this world - and will never stop fighting until they win.

I listened to the old grandma tell tales of how wicked and evil those "peaceful" Muslims were - especially how they hated dogs, and would poison the family pets, among other mayhem.

Remember, under kitman and taqqiyah, they can say one thing to infidels, but say something different to fellow Muslims.

DO NOT BELIEVE ME - HEAR IT in their own words - - - and these are NOT EXTREMISTS. This is real ISLAM.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x70ta57

[ozmirage]

TERM WARFARE
Remember, both NAZI Germany and Soviet Russia entered into compacts to divvy up POLAND, as well as both were "socialist". (No communist country has gone beyond socialism, by their own admission)
And socialism is LEFT WING (opposed to traditional authority - the right wing)

FASCISM - any political or social ideology of the extreme right which relies on a combination of pseudo-religious attitudes and the brutal use of force for getting and keeping power.
- - - Webster's Dictionary

Isn’t it “odd” that the Fascists of Europe were opposed to traditional government, and thus were LEFT WING?
Were we lied to?
Naw- perish the thought.
Leftishists are never pseudo-religious nor use brutal force to get and keep power. They don't install totalitarian dictatorships. The "Iron Curtain" was a fabrication of that evil Fascist Churchill. Anyone trying to leave a glorious socialist paradise and was gunned down, was obviously mentally ill.


DECEPTION
I have yet to find one LEFTIST oriented philosophy or agent or follower espouse support for all men being created equal - none higher - and having Creator endowed rights to life, liberty, absolute ownership, inherent powers, privileges and immunities. (*republican form of government)

I have not personally examined all variations, but have noted so far that LEFTISTS prefer to deny other people's endowed rights to absolutely own, exercise natural and personal liberty, and to some extent, will seek to kill their opponents, thus denying their right to life for daring to oppose slavery and theft by collectivists.
That is the MORAL high ground of the Left Wing thieves and slavers. Which explains why they rely on DECEPTION, to proceed without being annihilated.

Ironically, Islam is opposed to the LEFTISHISTS, and once they gain power, tend to "cleanse" them.

Islam is PEACEFUL and HONEST.
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[ozmirage]

WHAT HAS ISRAEL GIVEN TO THE WORLD?
http://www.israel21c.org/israels-top...of-all-time-2/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...nd_discoveries

WHAT HAS PALESTINIANS GIVEN TO THE WORLD?
More Palestinians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...on_growth_rate
Kuwait . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.95%
Palestine/Gaza Strip . . . . . . 3.01%
Jordan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2.19%
Israel . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.81%
reference World average . . . 1.18%
United States . . . . . . . . . . . 0.74%
United Kingdom . . . . . . . . . 0.75%


Palestinians in the Gaza strip were under Egyptian occupation till 1967.
That would have been a good opportunity for them to form a "Palestine".
They didn't.
Nor were they protesting "illegal" occupation. (All Muslims are brothers, right?)

Many are not aware of this 19 year era of Arab occupation of Palestinians.
OF COURSE, the real goal is to exterminate ISRAEL, so there was no benefit to stop the JIHAD.
. . . . . . .

What were those "evil" Zionists doing?
Fixing the land that was mismanaged by the Muslims. (It's no surprise that all of Israel's neighbors are net food importers. Islam favors herding over agriculture.)

ISRAELI AGRICULTURE:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVyMcBhLKMs

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by ozmirage (here)
WHAT HAS ISRAEL GIVEN TO THE WORLD?
http://www.israel21c.org/israels-top...of-all-time-2/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...nd_discoveries

WHAT HAS PALESTINIANS GIVEN TO THE WORLD?
More Palestinians.

Get the **** off this forum.

[Ravenlocke]

https://x.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1763663781916279034

[Ravenlocke]

Text:
An investigation by the BBC finds out that Israel's military lied about its involvement in the flour massacre in northern Gaza in the early hours of Thursday.

The investigation points out that Israel released edited footage concealing parts where BBC can prove gunfire was heard.


https://x.com/QudsNen/status/1763674195970478377

[Ravenlocke]

Text:
Jews and Muslims are not enemies. Before Israel was established, Jews were at peace in Islamic states. Zionism emerged. Zionists set their sights on Palestinian lands, then they came and turned the Jews and Muslims who lived here as neighbors into enemies. Zionism and Zionists disguised themselves as Jews, usurped Jewish history and everything that Jews considered sacred, distorted Judaism and called it Zionism. Zionism is the diametric opposite of Judaism. Zionism is never Judaism. The world is making a big mistake by thinking that all Zionists and Zionism are Judaism. People should now understand that Zionism is not Judaism. Zionists are not Jews. Zionists are invaders, thieves, murderers, genocidal fraudsters. Zionism is not the religion of the Jews, it is the religion of the Zionists. The religion of the Jews is Judaism, not Zionism.

https://x.com/TorahJudaism/status/1763613289378943478

[Rizotto]

"Over 140 days into the US-Israeli genocide in Gaza, the death toll has surpassed 30,000 Palestinians, and over 70,000 have been injured. In addition to constant Israeli bombardment, Gaza is experiencing widespread famine, its hospitals are besieged, and threats of an Israeli ground invasion in Rafah loom near. Layan Sima Fuleihan, the Education Director at The People’s Forum, an editor at 1804 Books, and an organizer with the Shut It Down For Palestine coalition, discusses the growing internal divisions among Israel and its Western backers, due to heightened political pressure from movements in the United States and around the world for an immediate ceasefire. Fuleihan discusses the upcoming March 2nd Global Day of Action for Gaza."
Global Uprising: How Israel’s War is Exposing the Cracks In US Empire

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=N1YZxXk1jcM

Hezbollah Fire Rockets at Israeli Forces Illegally Occupying Syria's Golan Heights

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ttM6us-J2Lg

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"Here we provide an introduction to the Palestinian Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement, and explain our support for it.
BDS calls for the international community to put nonviolent pressure on Israel until it complies with international human rights laws, such as the Geneva Conventions and UN Resolution 242.
We view the Palestinian BDS movement as a way for civil society to hold Israel to account for its internationally condemned human rights violations."

https://www.ethicalconsumer.org/ethi...israel-boycott
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10 Companies to boycott over their links to Israeli Apartheid (by Ethical Consumer)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=hcH8-A6khyo

[ExomatrixTV]

• Michael Moore TORCHES Biden On CNN about Israhell/Gaza/Palestinians Genocide!
  

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=UfchYn5LN-o

• for the record, am NOT a "Michael Moore follower" nor do I support most he stands for ... but on the Gaza situation is good what he says on a (Neo)Liberal platform!

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[ExomatrixTV]

• IDF open fire on Gaza aid truck, killing over 100: 30K Gazans dead, Palestinian Health Ministry says:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=HylUoTyxsZ0

[Bill Ryan]

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WHAT HAS PALESTINIANS GIVEN TO THE WORLD?

The Palestinians are going to give us a precious thing....heart and soul...if we listen to them.

[bojancan]

Interesting discussion....

Will Israel's Ultra-Orthodox community serve in its military? | Inside Story

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Dzb1ilV5UPM

[bojancan]

Good reporting...

In December 2023, The New York Times published an explosive article - now widely discredited - that detailed Hamas’s agenda to weaponise rape and sexual violence on October 7. We reveal the controversies surrounding the article along with the broader issue of Western media outlets’ pro-Israeli/anti-Palestinian bias.


Is the New York Times losing its credibility on Israel-Palestine? | The Listening Post

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=9wWer4c3htI

[Bill Ryan]

Bernhard, the founder/editor at The Moon of Alabama, makes a prediction. (He may very well be right.)

• https://www.moonofalabama.org/2024/0...-aid.html#more

Prediction: Israel will Bomb Gazans at Drop Sites for U.S. Aid

Is anyone in the White House understanding how destructive its position towards Israel is for the global reputation and standing of the United States?

The mighty U.S. is demonstrating that it is a hapless and helpless giant unable to control its west-Asian client state.

Biden authorizes aid drops into Gaza, as hostage deal remains in limbo - Washington Post, Mar 1 2024

President Biden on Friday authorized U.S. military airdrops of humanitarian aid to Gaza, reflecting his growing frustration with Israel’s military operations, the dire situation of more than 2 million Palestinians under siege inside the enclave and the failure of the United States and its negotiating partners to forge a deal between Israel and Hamas to stop the fighting. In addition to the airdrops, which officials said would begin within days, “we’re going to insist that Israel facilitate more trucks and more routes to get more and more people the help they need,” Biden told reporters gathered in the White House for his meeting with Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni.
“No excuses, because the truth is aid flowing to Gaza is nowhere nearly enough,” he said. “Innocent lives are on the line and children’s’ lives are on the line. … I won’t stand by, we won’t let up and we’re trying to pull out every stop we can to get more assistance in.”

How about finally stopping all aid - weapons, munitions, money, diplomatic cover - for Israel? The White House is not even considering that.

What will Israel do if and when the U.S. is dropping aid over Gaza?

It is obvious. Israel will bomb the drop sites as soon as starving Palestinians in Gaza come near to them.

As I have asserted before:

The Zionist occupation forces send food into the northern Gaza strip to then kill starving Palestinians who try to collect it.

Some readers might have thought that this was a claim too strong to make. It was not and is not as it is exactly what has been and is happening day after day:

Muhammad Shehada @muhammadshehad2 - 19:43 UTC · Mar 1, 2024 Before yesterday's "Flour Massacre", the IDF has been shooting indiscriminately for WEEKS at starved Gazans awaiting aid trucks at the exact same spot, virtually every single day!
A 🧵of some of these incidents:
Feb 28: IDF soldiers take potshots at famished desperate Gazans

2\ Feb 27: A child shot in the abdomen by IDF soldiers at the Rasheed street while waiting for aid trucks
Starved Gazans go to that street everyday with the hope of encountering an aid truck coming in, the IDF sprays them with bullets EVERY SINGLE DAY
3\ Feb 26: IDF soldiers fire indiscriminately at starved Gazan crowds at the Rasheed street who came desperately looking for aid trucks
4\ Feb 25: a starved Gazan father shot in the abdomen by IDF soldiers at the Rasheed street while looking for food
His siblings found & rescued him before he bled to death on that street
His father gave this testimony on Feb 26
5\ Feb 24: the Red Crescent retrieves the bodies of two Gazans shot to death by IDF soldiers at the Rasheed street while desperately looking for food
The IDF shoots starving Gazans at that same spot (where the very very few aid trucks come from) every single day!
6\ Feb 23: A starved Gazan goes with his younger brother looking for food at the Rasheed street & returns with his brother in a bag on his back, shot by the IDF
7\ Feb 22: Al-Shifa hospital receives several Gazans wounded or killed by the IDF at the Rasheed street as they went desperately looking for food there
8\ Feb 19: IDF soldiers spraying bullets indiscriminately at starved Gazans at the Rasheed street as people came desperately looking for incoming food trucks
9\ Feb 18: A starved Gazan shot in the head by the IDF at the Rasheed street as he came looking for food.
His body is surrounded by the empty boxes of UN food packages

Again, this has been taking place virtually every single day for weeks in Northern Gaza; deliberate starvation

There is evidence in form of videos and pictures attached to each of the above tweets.

The killing of starving people why to collect flour and other food stuff for their loved ones is not the only abomination. All aid is controlled by Israel before it goes in. The most needed items are not being allowed at all:

CNN has [..] reviewed documents compiled by major participants in the humanitarian operation that list the items most frequently rejected by the Israelis. These include anesthetics and anesthesia machines, oxygen cylinders, ventilators and water filtration systems. Other items that have ended up in bureaucratic limbo include dates, sleeping bags, medicines to treat cancer, water purification tablets and maternity kits.

The Zionist concentration camp for Palestinians of Gaza has become an extermination camp.

There are thus sound reasons to believe that Israel will bomb the drop sites for U.S. aid as soon as Palestinians in Gaza come near to them.

And Joe Biden will do what after that?

[Michel Leclerc]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

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The Zionist concentration camp for Palestinians of Gaza has become an extermination camp.

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My emphasis.

Shooting starving people in the abdomen. Their hunger leaving their body as blood.

Incurable psychosis.