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    🇷🇺 Sergey Glazyev: US is losing because its system of governance is 10 times worse than Southeast Asia; US wants a local nuclear war to regain hegemony; we have to create a very broad anti-war coalition; we will establish a new currency financial system

    Thank you. I’d like to make our discussion a little bit more academic. Mr. Pushkov mentioned the laws of history. I’d like to mention the laws of history. It’s important to understand where we are.

    We are at the stage of changing economic orders. Those changes happen through world wars. It started with the disruption of the Soviet Union and now it’s the disruption of Pax Americana. 30 years ago was quite a classic situation. 40 years ago we talked about it at our Academy of Sciences.

    In 2008 it became clear that the world is following a habitual scenario. We call the economic order which is being disrupted “imperial.” There were two poles: the US and the Soviet Union. They were opposite from the political point of view but they both used money for unlimited crediting and they were quite similar in governing the world. It was imperial because the empires were doing it so that everybody could follow this example. The Soviet Union created similar systems in the Soviet Union. Now the People’s Republic of China has all the features of the Chinese Communist Party. The US created the world for transnational corporations.

    The New World Order that’s coming we call “integral,” using the term coined by Pitirim Sorokin who said that Soviet imperialism and American capitalism will become a new society that’s going to be relieved of laws and would use all the positive features. It will be strategic planning and market competition. It would use the money controlled by the government, unlimitedly crediting investments. Public-private partnerships would be oriented toward maximizing the well-being of the people. It combines all the social interests of all social groups. The government is becoming the integrator. The idea is to raise the well-being. So this new system could be called “socialist” because common values are more important than private values. At the same time, it’s combined with traditional values. It’s not imperial. Here it’s national sovereignty. That’s international law.

    Liberal globalization after Trump came to power was substituted by new protectionism. Instead of liberalizing economic regulations, the main locomotive for the growth of international trade was joint investments. A wonderful example is the Chinese approach which is “One Belt, One Road.”

    Our focus proved to be true. The US is losing because its system of governance is 10 times worse than what was created in Southeast Asia. It’s agony. It’s agony—agony of the old center which is alone after the disruption of the Soviet Union. They cannot suggest anything to the world: not from the point of view of values, and not from the point of view of governance.

    After 2008 the amount of cash grew fivefold. The money became economic bubbles. In China, it was also fivefold but it was going to different projects. The capital flows there are controlled by the government to improve competition. Based on those economic laws supported by empirical experience we can make a forecast that in the next 40-50 years there will be a new economic system. The core is there. It’s Southeast Asia. First of all, China and India. We can see that they are the largest democracy in the world and the largest Communist Party in the world. But from the point of view of governance, they’re quite similar—they use their special cultural features, they combine market and strategic planning in order to improve this well-being of their people, they’re not going to have war, but they’re going to have competition. In this case, it’s becoming bipolar so far.

    It’s clear what’s going to happen with the West. It’s going to be greater chaos and falling down. This catastrophe is happening. In accordance with our forecast, this year is the turning point. Pax Americana doesn’t exist as a driver—a locomotive—of economic growth or as an example of a world order. What kind of world order can they suggest? They cannot suggest a new order. They can only suggest chaos. They try to make everything chaotic. But in Southeast Asia, they have an order. “One Belt, One Road” is 2/3 of the countries and that order is getting stronger.

    We have the customs union. Now we have the Eurasian Economic Union. We celebrated the 15th anniversary of the Great Eurasian partnership. This is the main principle which was coined by our president. These principles of being mutually beneficial, having a voluntary approach, competitive advantages, and transparency. This is the foundation. It’s not a zero-sum game.

    When we combine the Eurasian economic order with “One Belt, One Road” there are certain risks. The Americans can provide new chaos and conflicts. They really want Europe to have a nuclear war. They provoke us to use nuclear weapons. In order to have hegemony they want to have a local nuclear war in Europe initially. They believe that European wars are always good for the United States. This war so far helps them because they made Europe very poor and they are making money on this confrontation in Ukraine. To get rid of a catastrophic scenario: 5% probability here. 90% probability that there will be a new center in Southeast Asia.

    The rest of the world is going to either join this core or become just some far-away country.

    We understand what strategic planning is all about and how to use money to finance investment. Also currency control, no drain of capital, public-private partnership, well-being of the people, and so on. We have all that in our report. I will give you this report. Maybe your magazine is going to be interested in it.

    In order to make this catastrophic scenario impossible we have to create a very broad anti-war coalition because this war is for brains, money, and territory. When it’s war to get money we lost a lot of assets, we lost a lot of provisions.

    Americans are extremely strong because of the hegemony of US dollars. It’s not like yuan is going to substitute it. No. It will be a different currency financial system. We are going to launch a new currency which is going to be based on an international treaty. The currency cannot be used in the interest of one country or a group of transnational corporations. It must be a digital instrument based on a contract and every country must have the opportunity to issue this currency for international payments. Inside the countries, they’re going to use national currencies.

    We suggest this type of currency. I believe that Russia, during its BRICS presidency, will provide a good impetus to its development and will establish a new currency financial system with a transparent mechanism. There will be no opportunity for American sanctions to work through banks.

    Secondly, the foundation for an anti-war coalition is an agreement on information security. Russia is working hard to prepare a world convention on digital security. BRICS could take it. America is the number one cyber-terrorist in the world. But at least for us we could have real information safety, an embargo against the countries that conduct cyber terrorism.

    I believe our president’s Great Eurasian partnership initiative is quite important.

    — Sergey Glazyev, Member of the Board, Minister in Charge of Integration and Macroeconomics, Eurasian Economic Commission, speaking at “Polycentricity: The Norm of a Future World without Colonies or Hegemons” at the 27th St. Petersburg International Economic Forum.

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    Duda proposes to carry out “decolonization” in Russia? He proposes to divide Russia into “200 ethnic groups”? This is the goal of the West. Well, try it.

    President of Poland Duda: “I represent that part of the world where Russia is often called a prison of nations . There are good reasons for this. On its territory there are 200 ethnic groups that ended up on Russian territory as a result of the methods that Russia is taking against Crimea today. Russia remains the largest colonial empire in the world. And differently than European states, Russia never went through the process of decolonization. Russia has never been able to cope with the demons of the past. We must ultimately say that there is no place for colonialism in the modern world. I want to make it clear that only Moscow is responsible for this war."

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    Switzerland.

    A video with the words of Prime Minister Meloni is being circulated online.

    Here's what she said: "Defending Ukraine means defending a rules-based system. If Ukraine cannot count on our support and is forced to surrender, there is no need for us to gather here and discuss negotiations."

    The Ukrainian translator broadcast what the Ukrainian public needed: “Defending Ukraine means that the entire international community must unite and defend it. If Russia does not agree with this, we will force it to capitulate.”

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    Ukraine is forced to buy weapons from intermediaries at highly inflated prices - The Sunday Times

    ▪️According to information from Ukrainian sources who provided the newspaper with a list, the cost of some types of weapons has increased sixfold. In particular, this applies to 122-mm multiple launch rocket systems.
    “What is Ukraine’s problem? These dealers know they hit the jackpot and are using the conflict to drive up arms prices to the skies,” the publication notes.
    ▪️According to the founder of the Ukrainian Defense Procurement Agency Vladimir Pikuzo, about $200 billion will be needed to change the situation on the battlefield. The agency is also searching for Soviet weapons, the publication notes.

    The lesson here is - don't start **** if you don't have your own MIC nor can afford to buy weapons at the inflated NATO price tag.

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    Rus Traps Ukr Volchansk,
    Rus EU Gas Exports Overtake US LNG;
    Hollow Swiss Summit;
    G7 Targets China


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    Russian gas imports to Europe exceed supplies from the US - Financial Times

    ▪️ ICIS analysts clarified that in May 2024, Russian pipeline gas and LNG accounted for 15% of total supplies to the EU, as well as to the UK, Switzerland, Serbia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, and North Macedonia.
    ▪️The share of liquefied gas from the United States was 14%, which is the lowest figure since August 2022.
    “This highlights the difficulty of further reducing Europe’s dependence on Russian gas, since a number of Eastern European countries still depend on imports from a neighboring state,” the FT authors emphasize.


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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    I find it almost impossible to believe that Dmitry Medvedev actually said this, but even if it's fake it's great fun to read.

    https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/113496
    “This Swiss "livestock yard" is pure surrealism. Kafka and Orwell nervously smoke on the sidelines.

    None of the participants of this "peace forum" know what they are doing there or what their role is. After all, for the "resolution of conflict," the cunning Swiss shepherds have only invited trusted animals: a swaggering, sexually aroused mad little boar with his constant companion, a herd of blissfully bleating dim-witted Western Alpine sheep dreaming about peace, and a pack of European guard dogs to protect the herd.

    The dogs bark, spitting poisoned saliva in all directions, and maintain order. And it's necessary to watch over them: the sheep often bleat aimlessly and get tangled up in rehearsed formulas.

    Invisibly at the head of the flock is an elderly mentally feeble owner, long disconnected from reality, who constantly freezes while staring into the sky with a detachedly idiotic expression on his face. His family didn't let him go due to advancing dementia, sending a deputy into the mountains instead, who appeared briefly on the green lawn, recited a rehearsed phrase, and quickly bolted home.

    In general, Alpine livestock grazing is just dismal crap, ruthlessly burning through the taxpayers' money.

    Or, as Schwonder used to say, "it's some kind of disgrace"..."

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    This Swiss "barnyfarm" is pure surrealism. Kafka and Orwell are nervously smoking on the sidelines. None of the participants in the "peace forum" knows what he is doing there and what his role is. After all, to "resolve the conflict", the cunning Swiss shepherds called only proven animals: a mad small boar with his constant friend, a herd of blissfully bleating about the world stupid-headed western alpine sheep, as well as a pack of European chain dogs to protect the livestock. Dogs bark, spray poisoned saliva in all directions and keep order. And it is necessary to keep an eye on them: sheep often bleat inappropriately and get confused in memorized formulas. At the head of the flock is invisibly an elderly feeble-minded owner, who has long lost contact with reality and is constantly frozen, looking at the sky with a detached moronic expression on his face. His family did not let him go because of progressive dementia, sending a narrow-minded deputy to the mountains, who filmed on a green lawn, said a memorized phrase and quickly drove home.

    In general, alpine grazing is just dull ****, fiercely burning the money of its taxpayers.

    Or, as Shvonder used to say, "this is some kind of shame"...

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    • Poland just SHOCKED the world, and NATO and EU globalists are furious:
    No need to follow anyone, only consider broadening (y)our horizon of possibilities ...

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    There was a fairly major prison hostage incident in Rostov (adjoining Donbass), which was quickly ended by Russian forces. There are numerous videos of the entire thing circulating on Telegram and Twitter/X.

    ISIS Terrorists Killed After Holding Hostages In Russia's Rostov-On-Don Prison

    https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/113525
    Rostov terrorist hostage operation footage released by National Guard
    Law enforcement officers stormed the Rostov-on-Don pre-trial detention center-1 earlier on Sunday, where six ISIS-affiliated prisoners had taken two employees of the hostage, and demanded weapons and transport for their safety.
    The terrorists were killed in the assault and all hostages rescued unharmed anyway.




    Edit to add:

    Some more videos of the incident, in chronological order as the situation unfolded. (I assume this is Ukraine-related, as per the ISIS connection and the proximity of Rostov to Donbass.)

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    • The Russia-Ukraine war may have killed 1M people. Why is there no real push for peace?:

    On Friday's episode of The Ezra Levant Show, Ezra discussed recent developments in the Russia-Ukraine war, with competing proposals from both sides that would see a resolution to the conflict. Russian President Vladimir Putin has made an offer to end the war, but this is being depicted in the media as Putin seeking "capitulation" from Ukraine and not a negotiated peace deal. Meanwhile, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has proposed a 10-point deal which demands that Russia withdraw to pre-2014 borders — before it annexed Crimea.
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    Quote Posted by Bruce G Charlton (here)
    My take-home message (!) is that there are powerful motivations among the Western leadership class that are driving the Ukraine war - and all of these point to continuing the strategy of continual and incremental esccalation with the deliberate crossing of red lines.

    It sounds like you are saying the faction of Total Destruction is contained in the western regimes.

    Its primary goal and more likely success is against its own western countries. Russia would be a bonus if achievable.

    In turn this mentality or strategy has no significant presence in Russia.

    Is that how you mean it? Perhaps like Ms. Meloni seems to have just said??

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    But those who believe Russia will eventually go to war with NATO have an agenda of destruction. Ultimately, they wish to destroy all that is good; but en route they wish to destroy The West, and this is why they are engineering The West into a war, without making any significant preparations for fighting that war - they want NATO to lose.
    I agree ... but I also believe that there is a powerful force for good, a more powerful force, that seems to be manifesting in our present lifetime and that will prevail in the hearts, the minds and the spirits of those who choose to be so guided.


    I also tend to see it this way, which would appear to imply that Russia has a significant presence of what was just described as Victory.


    If this is the case, and, it gathers momentum, the winds of change will shift.

    This would leave the west essentially on its own, and I see no reason it would remit from its Soft Kill monoculture. To the degree of hot conflicts that may erupt internally, I just don't know. It *could* be, but, that does not mean it automatically has to be.

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    It sounds like you are saying the faction of Total Destruction is contained in the western regimes.
    The dynamic involves both parties. The "sea people" of the Mediterranean and North Atlantic (my ancestors) have been attacking the "land people" of central Eurasia (Russian and Slavic) for many centuries, with great loss of life. That Russian bear may be old and scarred, but it's one damn tough old bear.

    Maybe we sea people should let the bear be, and quit trying to take its land and kill its cubs. If we did, then the bear might leave us be. If we continue our aggression, the bear will become increasingly dangerous and many more will die. Respect the various peoples of this earth, and their various lands (granted - not something my ancestors have shown much talent for.)
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    David Cameron the "current" UK Foreign Secretary went to see "former" President Donald Trump for a private meeting in April this year. Actually I'll correct that DC went to see " CIC " Trump for a meeting about having a US backed war against Russia.

    CIC Trump gave DC his nice shiny shoe right up the rear end and sent him on his way.

    NATO is dinosaur who's only purpose was to defend Europe from Russia, now Russia is no longer a communist country they are no threat. (What purpose does NATO serve the answer NONE).

    Also all these western countries have completely depleted their stock piles of ammunition by donating ammo to Ukraine so what are they going to fight with, sticks and stones and we know how that goes?

    Maybe this depletion of ammo was by design to ensure the deep state could not go to war with Russia (As was the end game part of the 16 year plan spanning from the Obummer to what would have been the Killary presidency) and maybe Putin & CIC Trump had a hand in this to ensure NATO and the US could not engage in war against Russia directly which would escalate to a nuclear conflict.

    The only country prepared for full scale war is Russia, so please Europe if want to commit suicide go ahead and leave US, Canada, UK and Australia out of this madness.

    Just my two cents worth thanks.
    I know that all indicators suggest we could be going to nuclear war, but I don't think so.

    Firstly, we all know that creepy Joe isn't even in charge of tying his own shoe laces so he is not a factor.

    Also the real power does not lay with NATO or European politicians it lays with the president of the US, the only legitimate president is CIC Trump, that is Commander In Chief Donald J Trump.

    CIC Trump doesn't want war with Russia this recent video below explains CIC Trumps point of view on a nuclear war, he also mentions there would have been nuclear war under a Killary presidency ( the 16 year plan I mentioned ).



    P.S. CIC Trump also gives a tip of the hat to PM Vicktor Orban ( Trumps Mini-Me )
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    Quote Posted by ThePythonicCow (here)
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    It sounds like you are saying the faction of Total Destruction is contained in the western regimes.
    The dynamic involves both parties. The "sea people" of the Mediterranean and North Atlantic (my ancestors) have been attacking the "land people" of central Eurasia (Russian and Slavic) for many centuries, with great loss of life.

    They have, but, I believe we could show that there was a primarily peaceful trading route from Sweden to the Black Sea probably since at least the "Bronze Age".

    At some point, relations soured, as "Slav" becomes the root word for "slave", and it is pretty clear the expansion of the Swedish Empire has everything to do with the stamping of modern countries out of it, much like ending the Ottoman Empire has everything to do with the modern countries there. In its height, Sweden mastered the art of the cannon and were recognized as lords of the battlefield, and technically began the oldest central bank. I once has a "Swedish Mauser" which was actually made at Waffenfabrik in Germany--it means the metal is Swedish steel which they consider to be superior.

    Considering the Polish-Lithuanian side.

    In 1467:






    European Sarmatia largely corresponds to what was later known as Grand Duchy of Lithuania; later, Intermarium; and nowadays the Three Seas Initiative.

    Sarmatia was present in most maps of the region from the time of Ptolemy until the end of the 18th century.

    The Polish nobility claims to stem from the Sarmatians. Genomic studies suggest that this group may have been genetically similar to the eastern Yamnaya Bronze Age group.



    Displacement of the Sarmatians can largely be attributed to the Macedonian Empire. And it would not be out of line to think we are still dealing with the fallout from that.

    Aristotle taught Alexander the Great that non-Greeks were animals, to be slaughtered like livestock. This is what I, at least, consider as a fairly definitive origin for such doctrines and beliefs in the western world.

    The Russian Empire was made possible from the domination of the Mongols, and we could say the tactics of Mongolia were very different. They simply killed any resistors. Otherwise, although you may have been subordinated to a foreign empire, they were fairly equitable and mostly left you alone.

    There are definitely different sets of values in the art of warfare.

    One of them, anti-Byzantine or anti-Orthodox, is a Catholic device from the Fourth Crusade in the 1200s. Related of course to a devotion to Aristotle. This repeats itself across eastern Europe many times. Apparently still an ongoing issue in this SMO.

    I'm not convinced one has "evolved" much past the point of medieval witchburning, which, these countries only desisted from in the 1700s. They have centuries of cycles of killing you for what you think. This is aberrant.

    Battles for conquest and subjugation are not genocide or death-by-censor. It is like a very special mental disease is being incubated. It seems rarely replicated outside of where we know we can find it.

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    An amendment to the what appears to have been the deliberately mis-translated portion of Georgia Meloni's statement following/during the recent circus of freaks at the gates of Dante's 9th in Switzerland - slightly clumsy English here, but still makes its point:

    Lord Bebo update and comment:
    The Ukranian translator at the peace summit translated Meloni wrong!

    Ukrainian translator: “if Russia does not agree with it, we’ll force it to surrender!”

    Meloni: “If Ukraine had not been able to count on our support and therefore would have been forced to surrender

    -> Whenever he did it to motivate Ukranians and lied, or if that was an accident decide yourself.
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    @Shaberon and TPC

    (Apologies that this strays off-topic.)

    I'm not really sure what I am being asked by Shaberon, or what TPC means by the powerful force for good.

    I'm a Christian, and certainly believe that there is a force for good - in the sense of the God's ongoing creation and the guidance of the Holy Ghost. But I don't see any evidence of any significant force for good in geopolitics - only an inter-office fight for power between between the middle-management totalitarians, and the spiteful-destroyers (demons and their servants).

    I do see a force for good in Orthodox Christian Russia - which nation seems, overall (inevitably mixed, and with trial and error) to be pursuing its divine destiny. But that destiny is Not (except very indirectly, and Not as a model to be copied) to save the rest of the world.

    However, I regard the current situation as much worse than most people realize or acknowledge - and I mean spiritually worse. To be blunt; I regard the world as much more evil now, than ever at any time in world history. We are so evil that many core values are inverted (officially, and in daily practice), and most people accept this inversion (including all major Western Christian churches - who are part of the problem), so they believe sin is virtue, deliberate-ugliness is beauty, lies are truth - and vice versa. This profound evil is now just "normal".

    As things stand at present in The West, the collapsing civilization is capable of bringing the whole civilized and interconnected world, including Russia - down into chaos. I don't suppose everybody in the world will die; but only a small fraction of the current world population could be sustained - or would remain alive in face of mass famine, war and disease/ toxicity.

    I do not believe that the future is fixed; and I do believe that human agency (free will) makes a big difference; but my conviction is that any positive physical-material future can only come as an unpredictable consequence of a primarily spiritual recognition, awakening, and turn-around.

    As things stand, the entire leadership class and most of the Western populations are motivated by evil (or trivial, or illusory) goals.

    In sum; for there to be a significant force for good, there would first need to be a wholesale replacement of very-nearly-all current world (and major institutional) leaders - or else they would need to undergo profound conversion; and the same applies to nearly-all the intellectual and managerial classes; and probably a large majority of the "masses". This isn't impossible - but only if enough people (as individual persons, knowing and choosing from deep in themselves) want it.

    I don't suppose that answers the questions from TPC and Shaberon! But it's the best I can manage at present.

    Again - apologies for straying off topic.
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    NO WORDS 🚨

    Ukraine: “11 tortured boys who returned without organs”

    “Ukrainian moms are mad as hell. — sons being dragged off to war — They are fed up and they want answers as to who's been HARVESTING THE ORGANS of their sons and their husbands.”

    “Ukrainian moms are going to conscription offices and raising hell about their sons being dragged off to war”

    Harvesting the organs “Who died on the battlefield after they were conscripted and thrown into the meat grinder?

    When they received their bodies, there were surgical marks and surgical removal of their organs Oh my god. Sold off on the black market.

    We write, we hide, the information is deleted. (See video) We will make a poster for all of Kyiv for all cities. And we are not alone.

    We are 11 tortured boys who returned without organs.


    Eleven tortured boys returned without organs. Ukrainian mothers are furious. Their sons are dragged to the front line, struggling. They are fed up and demanding answers. The women want to know why their sons and husbands' organs are being harvested, says Clayton Morris of Redacted. After being thrown into the meat grinder, the women get the bodies back and make a grisly discovery: organs have been surgically removed. These are often sold on the black market for a lot of money.
    • Criminal networks
    In 2021, a report from Leiden University was published about the criminal networks behind organ trafficking. Ukraine also appears to play a role in this. In the so-called Medicus case, the donors and recipients of illegally transplanted kidneys came from Ukraine, among others. The case came to light after a man was stopped at the airport of Pristina, the capital of Kosovo, and admitted that he had undergone kidney surgery for which he would receive $15,000. Police then searched the clinic, where the kidney recipient was found, as well as evidence of 24 illegal kidney transplants. It is suspected that the actual number of transplants performed is much higher. The amounts received by donors amounted to $30,000.
    • Reimburse
    Recipients came into contact with the network via email. Particularly in Israeli dialysis centers, kidney patients were known to be involved in organizing illegal kidney transplants, mainly abroad. The recipients paid $108,000 for the transplant. Seven people have been prosecuted in the Medicus case. Until 2008, it was common for Israeli health insurers to cover the costs of transplants performed abroad, regardless of their legitimacy.

    Ukrainian families are demanding answers from Zelensky's government about their dead family members. This is darker than we imagined.
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    quick note:

    The same people who are "so concerned" about the alleged human rights violations done by the Russian authorities in Russia & Ukraine (which partially could be true!) ... will always be super selective in what they want to be "outraged" about if it serves a specific (NATO pushed) propaganda narrative. (Repeating only Tunnel Vision narratives).

    The moment you point their hypocrisy out to them ... they accuse you of being as "Putin Lover" or a "spreader of disinformation" (no matter how correct you are). Their corrupted minds are already made up. And seek ANY (often made up) excuse to silence you. Then claiming they are "fighting for democracy" after Ukrainian opposition parties & critical media are all dismantled.
    • Can anybody show me ANY western mainstream media discussing the brutal human rights violations? If not, why not?
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