Israel vs Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War

[Ravenlocke]

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Palestine Action shut down a factory in Staffordshire that produces engines for Israeli drones used against civilians in Gaza.

Targeting Elbit Systems, Israel’s largest weapons company, Palestine Actionists shut down a factory based in Staffordshire, U.K., that produces UAV engines. These drone components are crucial for continuing the supply of arms to Israeli occupation forces while they commit genocide against the people of Gaza.

https://x.com/MintPressNews/status/1818715194031587739

[Ravenlocke]

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Presidential candidate Donald Trump once again uses the term "Palestinian" as a derogatory label to describe his political opponents.

During a recent fundraiser in New Jersey, Trump claimed that Vice President Kamala Harris "hates Israel" and asserted that Senator Charles Schumer had "become a Palestinian." Trump's rhetoric and attempt to turn the word "Palestinian" highlight his loyalty and allegiance to the Israeli entity.

Trump's 2016 and 2024 campaigns have received significant funding from Zionist billionaires such as Miriam Adelson.

https://x.com/MintPressNews/status/1818699565433749707

[shaberon]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
It's important to understand here that when the Supreme Leader of Iran makes such a statement, it must be followed through. Even the Iranian President can't countermand it. It's an order.

Yes, Stupid has violated everything here.

Bill, didn't you give us a story about how a certain guest of the Muslims could not be killed until he left their camp?

Don't we see how the Israeli "guests" of Hamas have been treated better than Gazans?

This is a hugely important principle in Asia, I guess I should say, east of Zion.

Killing the guy at his own house in Lebanon is one thing, killing one as a guest is another, compounded with the fact he is a guest in another country. And yes, here, Supreme Leader may not give the specific, tactical instructions about what to do, but the general decree to do something will not be ignored.

Moreover, removal of these leaders does not weaken the solidarity, especially compared to some Cobweb regime, where if you take out three, like Netanyahu, Ben Gvir, and Smotrich, it will burst at the seams. Even one of them might be enough.

Lebanon and Iran have every right to "defend" themselves against state terrorism, which, I suppose, would amount to "de-militarizing" and "de-nazifying" Zion, which would effectively cancel the culture. Let's wash our hands now.

I totally agree with the doctrine that it should be erased as a "country", and only those citizens who can prove their objection and relative innocence should be allowed to continue a normal life at all. Whether or not it comes to this, we can pretty much expect something terrible will begin happening to it in a matter of days. If a power such as say, Iran, blows away just a few airfields, Zion will lose its only competitive advantage. Remember those American planes are made of tinkertoys which are basically dysfunctional in a desert.

If Russia followed this example, they would, of course, be spraying most of the NATO countries with things I would rather not know existed, but they do, and they can. As far as how they may react, having bases in Syria and most likely the ability to outfit several groups with updated weapons, I don't know, but the potential is there, and we remember Putin's re-election message.

I am sorry my elders have ruined the world for us all. Rest assured, they hate me too, but are far too cowardly to face me in a direct confrontation. It is not out of the question some of their extremist supporters might. I can say that in the twentieth century, Americans would freely and avidly spout their political views at anyone all the time, but, since 9/11, they have receded into the closet. You see the occasional sticker or logo, that's about it. It may be different in the big cities. Out here, I can't even think of a military supplier or any kind of subsidiary office that I could "demonstrate" in front of.

[shaberon]

As of the past few minutes, here is a sign that "someone" may have "protested":


Hebrew Newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth: Production at a factory in Acre was halted due to the presence of ammonia gas tanks. Other factories handling hazardous materials have been instructed to evacuate and empty their gas tanks


Good work. A high-powered rifle or strong shrapnel blast would make those things into bombs of their own. I am not sure there is any industry that can function without hazardous substances. Of course, any fuel is the same. What's worse is any small connecting tube is much more vulnerable, so, you could do significant damage just with your hands. In this case, without ammonia, the first thing you won't have is fertilizer. This type of "threat" could undermine the "modern world" completely.

[Rizotto]

My personal comment about the RT article below: This is what USA voters need to know about Trump, who is openly advocating for more war against Palestinians, and not a ceasefire. Unfortunately the only choices USA voters have for the 2024 elections is between dumb Zionist evil and dumber Zionist evil (not too sure which side is which at this point). All of which deliberately staged by the Zionists themselves. The west is in big trouble.

It's more than time to put Trump on the spot, ask him whether he approves of the rapes and torture of Palestinian hostages in Israeli jails? Or what does Trump think of the fact that most congress politicians are bought by the zionist lobby?

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https://www.rt.com/news/601915-trump...n-jews-israel/

31 July, 2024

Israel’s existence in danger – Trump
The former US president has claimed that Israel could cease to exist if he is not re-elected

Donald Trump has urged American Jews to vote for him in the November election, warning that if they fail to do so, Israel could be destroyed by its enemies.

The former US president and Republican nominee for the 2024 election was speaking at a fundraiser on Sunday in a New Jersey municipality with a sizable Jewish population.

He claimed that the Democrats hate Israel and “largely hate” the Jewish people.

“We have to win this election. We need the Jewish people to vote for Trump. If you don’t have Jewish people voting for Republicans… you’re not going to have Israel for very long,” stated Trump.

The presidential hopeful also pledged to help Israel win its war against Hamas if elected. Trump reiterated his claim that the October 7 Hamas attack on Israel, which triggered the war in Gaza, would not have happened had he still been in office. (my emphasis)

According to surveys by the Pew Research Center, a Washington-based think tank, a majority of US Jews have consistently voted for the Democratic Party. However, state-funded Voice of America noted in May that an increasing number have backed the Republicans in recent elections. The Pittsburg Jewish Chronicle cited a survey of New York voters in February showing that 53% of Jewish voters intended to vote for Donald Trump in November.

The relationship between the Biden administration and the Israeli government has soured in recent months amid the Jewish state’s offensive in Gaza. US President Joe Biden has warned the Israeli leadership against an all-out assault in the densely populated city of Rafah and said it would be a ‘red line.’ “If they [Israel] go into Rafah, I’m not supplying the weapons,” he stated.

In late April, the Biden administration paused a shipment of munitions that officials expected Israel to use in Rafah.

In April, Trump took a dig at Biden’s handling of the Israel-Hamas war.

“Biden has totally lost control of the Israel situation… Any Jewish person who votes for a Democrat or votes for Biden should have their head examined,” he said.

The Jewish State launched its offensive in the Gazan city in early May amid widespread international condemnation.

Israel has been the largest recipient of US economic and military aid since its founding in 1948, having received about $310 billion (adjusted for inflation) in total economic and military assistance, according to American foreign policy think tank the Council on Foreign Relations. In April, Biden signed into law a $95 billion foreign funding bill that included military aid to Israel.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by shaberon (here)
Bill, didn't you give us a story about how a certain guest of the Muslims could not be killed until he left their camp?

You have an excellent memory! It was a Bedouin story. I told it here in January 2023.

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I was told this story when visiting Bahrain many years ago.

The Bedouin are a Middle Eastern nomadic people with strong, ancient traditions. Because of the harsh desert environment they live in, it's an unbreakable generations-old custom that when a stranger comes to your encampment, you always welcome them in and give them food, water, shelter, and hospitality.

In one Bedouin camp, a stranger arrived, and so he was duly greeted and invited in. But then the head of the Bedouin family there saw that the man was carrying a rifle that had been owned by the Bedouin family head's brother, who had been murdered a while back, with his rifle stolen.

The stranger, who was being do generously sheltered and fed, was the murderer.

But tradition dictated that the visitor must be treated with immense care and respect. And so indeed he was, the whole time he was there.

After three days, the man left to continue his travels. The family head followed him — and killed him.

[bojancan]

So very sad... and some of subjects... are using these tragedies on the East... for their own political gain ... criminal and sad!!!

Netanyahu's end game: Why Israel assassinated Hamas chief in Iran | Gideon Levy | The Big Picture

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=M9JB8jMu3lk

Two assassinations. Two capital cities. Less than 24 hours.

One struck an apartment in downtown Beirut, killing a woman and two children - targeting a Hezbollah senior commander.

Then just hours later, a strike in the heart of Tehran, assassinating Hamas’ most high profile figure, and its political chief - Ismail Hanieyah.

Israel has claimed the first attack, though not the second - at least not yet - but the reverberations are already starting to be felt - as are fears that we’re barreling towards an inevitable regional war - one that could spiral quickly out of control.

This week on The Big Picture Podcast, we sit down with award-winning Israeli journalist and author Gideon Levy about the significance, and wisdom, of the two high profile assassinations.

Hanieyah’s killing in particular threatens to derail the already fragile ceasefire talks between Israel and Hamas, which have so far failed to put an end to a horrific 10-month war that killed more than 39,000 Palestinians and 1200 Israelis.

It also pushes the United States deeper into a corner.

The Biden Administration has failed to pull Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu from the brink, but continues to supply him with weapons used against a civilian population in Gaza, while undermining attempts to hold Israel to account internationally.

Now less than 100 days before an election that could return Trump to the White House - can the US really afford to follow Israel into a war with Hezbollah - and possibly - a war with Iran?

[Rizotto]

If I was a USA voter I would definitely vote for Jill Stein. She is the only presidential candidate that accurately describes the terrible danger that apartheid Israel poses to USA and the world, and the need to stop their warmongering right now. Very articulate and well informed. Great interview!

"Economist Michael Hudson (follow at https://michael-hudson.com/) and Green Party Presidential Candidate Dr. Jill Stein (https://www.jillstein2024.com/) join the program for a special livestream on the US elections and geopolitics! This stream will dive into the breaking news of Israel expanding its war footing into Lebanon, and answer deepest questions of war and peace in the world today. We provide analysis as well as what needs to be done to stop the bankers' wars from taking us to an unthinkable scenario for humanity."

MICHAEL HUDSON & JILL STEIN ON lSRAEL HEADING TO WAR WITH HEZBOLLAH AND IRAN AS U.S. EMPIRE BURNS

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=l44pHKAHr94

[Tintin]

This, from an Ori Goldberg on X, an Israeli writing about what actually seems to be the general vibe there

1/ Israel is bracing for a hit from at least three directions - Iran, Lebanon and Yemen. I don't know how to describe the atmosphere here. It is most certainly not galvanized or celebratory. No one thinks any good will come from the multiple assassinations we carried out. --->
7:15 PM · Jul 31, 2024
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Ori Goldberg
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2/ Perhaps it is best described as world-weary. I think most Israelis feel that nothing we could have done would have averted this. Israelis are not rallying around the flag. There is no joy in mudville. There is grimness, cynicism, a heady brew of victimhood and nihilism. --->
Ori Goldberg
@ori_goldberg
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3/ This may be the most horrible thing about Israel at the moment. Our very existence is a schism. We do as we please. We seem genuinely surprised at the consequences of our actions. We are resigned to our fate. We destroy reality itself to pospone our own destruction. --->
Ori Goldberg
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4/ Nothing we do seems to hold its shape. Nothing has purpose and nothing is followed through. "For we must needs die, and are as water spilt on the ground, which cannot be gathered up again", said the wise woman of Tekoah. We are nothing, like the death we unleash. --->
Ori Goldberg
@ori_goldberg
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5/ We seem torn, full of tossings and turnings, vigorous in our murderousness. We are not. We are torpid. Everything is happening but nothing is happening. We have cast ourselves out into the outer darkness. We are riveted bybthe gnashing of teeth.

[bojancan]

It is so very wrong.. that in the U.S... it is so often impossible to express grief for the innocent people being killed in Gaza... also in the West Bank and around... without being called antisemitic or Hamas.. or ....
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The political leader of Hamas assassinated in Iran, a senior Hezbollah commander killed in Lebanon.
Two Al Jazeera journalists struck down in a targeted attack.
After killing almost 40,000 Palestinians in Gaza, can Israel continue without accountability?

Presenter: Adrian Finighan

Guests:
Mehran Kamrava -- Professor of Government at Georgetown University in Qatar, specialist in Iran, the Gulf and Middle East politics

Beverley Milton-Edwards -- Co-author of 'Hamas: The Quest for Power', former EU special adviser to the Middle East peace process

Karim Makdisi -- Political analyst and associate researcher at the Arab Council for the Social Sciences



Are there any limits on Israeli killings and assassinations? | Inside Story

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=w6IRr7tVK3Y

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Talking with Israeli analyst Ori Goldberg... excellent analysis.. always very insightful with Owen and his guests.. it is also so refreshing.. to hear Ori to say.. how they obfuscate the truth... the reality...

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Israeli Analyst: Assassination Of Hamas Leader Sign Of Israel's Weakness w/. Ori Goldberg

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=qP8fKWyHPfU

[Rizotto]

There's no question that Netanyahu's endless provocations against neighboring countries are meant for one thing: provoke retaliations so that USA's powerful military gets embroiled in starting a war against Iran.

I haven't yet watched Col Macgregor's interview below, but I suspect it will be a call for USA citizens to contact their representative, wake up and stop the warmongering.

August 1, 2024
Col Doug Macgregor: US Deploys 12 Warships in Middle East

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=TIc4QWtcLhs

[shaberon]

Posted by Rizotto (here)
If I was a USA voter I would definitely vote for Jill Stein.

I don't really endorse anything, but, I will say that twenty years ago, she/they campaigned on the platform which included "America is the only developed country in the world whose medical system is backed by a for-profit insurance plan". They may not have 100% perfect answers for everything, but, it is just as well to put this on the table to examine compared to the Fascist Monoparty.

I can easily believe the "Israeli consensus" as per Tintin's post is an identity crisis with expectation of dire consequences. *All* of their techniques would have worked in, let's say, a "single battle" scenario, something where they could have effected a massive change with a single violent, deceptive act. It simply doesn't work when protracted through the years and a career of such tactics. It's too late to reverse. The assassination of the Hamas negotiator while a guest in a foreign country, as a cover for the malfunction of the Iron Dome, is the cat's meow in levels of Stupid.

Note that the affected parties at least complained to the UN before proceeding. That is not what happened prior to this round of "targeted strikes" done by the Zionists. As you can see, they are not part of civilization. Generally, the one who kills the diplomat has shown a failure to participate in negotiations, as if that weren't obvious from before. No reason to allow them to speak.

[Rizotto]

What really strikes me about the Haaretz article below is Israelis’ blindness of their own terrorism against their Arab neighbors. The zionists has been terrorizing Arabs for decades now. The zionists started this terrorism with the 1946 terrorist bombing of the King David Hotel and the 1948 terrorist attacks on Palestinian villages, and this terrorism, genocide and land theft has continued to this day.

The terrorism perpetrated by Israel needs to be kept in the limelight and named for what it is.
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https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/...d-ffdfbb610000

Is Israel Deliberately Provoking an Escalation That Might Drag the U.S. Into the Conflict?
August 1, 2024

This week's targeted killings in Beirut and Tehran raise three fundamental questions, including the biggest one: Who has a vested interest in an expanded regional war?
The assassination of terrorists, for lack of a better word, is good. It is the epitome of raw justice served. It is morally and ethically justifiable. But human sentiment, vendettas and natural rage aside, assassinations are not a strategy or a policy. They also rarely, if ever, change the fundamentals, parameters and … (continued)
(sorry, I don’t have access to the full article).

[Michel Leclerc]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by shaberon (here)
Bill, didn't you give us a story about how a certain guest of the Muslims could not be killed until he left their camp?

You have an excellent memory! It was a Bedouin story. I told it here in January 2023.

~~~

I was told this story when visiting Bahrain many years ago.

The Bedouin are a Middle Eastern nomadic people with strong, ancient traditions. Because of the harsh desert environment they live in, it's an unbreakable generations-old custom that when a stranger comes to your encampment, you always welcome them in and give them food, water, shelter, and hospitality.

(...)

Bill, it is a beautiful story (and variants of which exist in quite a number of other cultural settings) – but just this point about the above blue-coloured passage:

Bedouin is not so much the name of a tribe.. "bedouin" is just plain Arabic and means “the nomads” – the -in ending being the plural for بَدَوِي (“nomad”); the English spelling of the world representing not too well the simple pronunciation in Arabic: singular badawī, plural badawīn (pronounced correctly "badawee" and "badaween" respectively. The nomadic lifestyle being in a sense essential to the story: as the “house” (being in actual fact a tent) moves continuously, it is the "sharing a tablecloth and a bed" that is the core of hospitality – and the obviously reclined position of the body.

We may be reminded in that context of the etymological meaning of the Latin root civ- (pronounced kiw-) in “civil”, “civility” (and therefrom "city”): this civ- meant/means "lying down, being reclined”.. the essential idea being that in order to rest, to make love and to procreate we have to be able to be "vulnerably" exposed, lying down instead of being ready for battle. A civilisation, then, is an organisation of society that allows resting, loving and having children in a "safe", "welcoming" etc. environment. (To add a little to this: the Germanic cognates of the civ- (pronounced kiw) are quite close actually, being hew- (pronounced he-oo) [he as in heck] and how- (pronounced hoa-oo [hoa as in hoax]: the hew- yielded the German Hei-mat (“fatherland”, literally “lying-place”), the how- the English ho-me (ditto), and a rare other variant with "u” the Dutch verb huw-en, meaning "to marry".)

An anecdote told by an Algerian novelist who resides in France and writes in French. Her grandmother had lived in her youth as a nomad and only settled as an adult; one day she somewhat sadly told her granddaughter who had settled down in "white man’s land”: “I do not know how you can really live in a house – it is as if you went to live in your tomb!”

The conjunction of the “non-violent” "hospitality” motive and the "loving" theme can be found in the glorious "pagan” Arabic poetry preceding the message transmitted by Muhammad. The poet sings his love for a girl of another tribe. During the night he approaches her tent and both partners’ experience then becomes the "indistinguishability” of safety, feeling welcome, being hospitable and giving their attention and body & soul to each other.

Civilisation, in other words.

[Michel Leclerc]

Posted by Tintin (here)
This, from an Ori Goldberg on X, an Israeli writing about what actually seems to be the general vibe there

1/ Israel is bracing for a hit from at least three directions - Iran, Lebanon and Yemen. I don't know how to describe the atmosphere here. It is most certainly not galvanized or celebratory. No one thinks any good will come from the multiple assassinations we carried out. --->
7:15 PM · Jul 31, 2024
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Ori Goldberg
@ori_goldberg
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18h
2/ Perhaps it is best described as world-weary. I think most Israelis feel that nothing we could have done would have averted this. Israelis are not rallying around the flag. There is no joy in mudville. There is grimness, cynicism, a heady brew of victimhood and nihilism. --->
Ori Goldberg
@ori_goldberg
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18h
3/ This may be the most horrible thing about Israel at the moment. Our very existence is a schism. We do as we please. We seem genuinely surprised at the consequences of our actions. We are resigned to our fate. We destroy reality itself to pospone our own destruction. --->
Ori Goldberg
@ori_goldberg
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18h
4/ Nothing we do seems to hold its shape. Nothing has purpose and nothing is followed through. "For we must needs die, and are as water spilt on the ground, which cannot be gathered up again", said the wise woman of Tekoah. We are nothing, like the death we unleash. --->
Ori Goldberg
@ori_goldberg
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18h
5/ We seem torn, full of tossings and turnings, vigorous in our murderousness. We are not. We are torpid. Everything is happening but nothing is happening. We have cast ourselves out into the outer darkness. We are riveted bybthe gnashing of teeth.

This description is extraordinarily accurate, as far as I can judge on the basis of the “Israeli character” (having met it more than once) and present-day attitude of people who define themselves as "Jewish”: "psychotically blocked and frozen into a kind of automaton stance, automaton that continuously enacts a gesticulation which expresses a "difference from all other humans" (up to the point of denying to others any humanity or at least (their) depth of humanity), but which effectuates the actual disappearance by annihilation of the non-chosen ones and hence non-human ones. The utter irreality of that belief continuously needs to be transformed into a reality which amounts to the "irrealisation" of all (others’) reality.

[shaberon]

Posted by Michel Leclerc (here)
Bedouin is not so much the name of a tribe.. "bedouin" is just plain Arabic and means “the nomads” – the -in ending being the plural for بَدَوِي (“nomad”)

True enough; to which we could add that the African Tuareg are the western branch of it. They have just attacked Mali and Wagner PMC; they of course cannot represent a "country", although perhaps "some territory".

Such nomadic groups are still active through Jordan as well. Their collective hands are full of human trafficking, drugs, forced childhood prostitution and slavery, and they are typically very violent.

As to whether their Bahraini counterparts are like that, I cannot say; the lifestyle is based on the ability to move high-value goods across inhospitable conditions. They are not "nomadic pastoralists", such as Mongols moving to fresh pasture.

I liked and remembered the story, because, regardless of whether the group may practice something that sounds criminal to us, such as slavery, they nevertheless have standards and "unwritten laws" that triumph their own personal feelings. And when we see how that is strongly based on "taking someone in", then, we get a very different message from the one in my society today.

The Muslim that most influenced me, never really spoke about theology or churches, etc., it was all about profound moral values. In this way, although we know that if you snatch one of these high-value items, they cut off your hand, but the absolute worst crime was what he translated into French:


vol de confiance


which is pretty close to Dante putting Betrayal in the Ninth Circle of Hell. If you take me in as a guest, and I earn your trust and friendship, and then use it for nefarious means, that is how you get your head cut off.

We perhaps trusted for a while that Zion was an opportunity for Jews to "learn farming", and that whoever they fought must have been for a good reason, whereas they have really maximized the above-named crime.

[Bruce G Charlton]

wrt Donald Trump and his chance of being re-elected.

My sense of things (for what it is worth) is that if it is permitted that DT is awarded (carefully chosen word!) the Presidential role after the November election, it will happen primarily because of, and on condition that, DT provides unconditional and open-ended support for Israel.

Otherwise not.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Bruce G Charlton (here)
wrt Donald Trump and his chance of being re-elected.

My sense of things (for what it is worth) is that if it is permitted that DT is awarded (carefully chosen word!) the Presidential role after the November election, it will happen primarily because of, and on condition that, DT provides unconditional and open-ended support for Israel.

Otherwise not.

I have to say, that conditional prediction struck a strong chord with me, and I fear you may very well be entirely right.

[Eric J (Viking)]

This seems to be hotting up…

6 countries are going to simultaneously hit Israel in the next hours.
🇺🇸 US will lend its intelligence and equipment to defend Israel, mainly
from Qatar & Cyprus.

Middle east tensions escalate, Israel weighs options to pre emptively strike Iran.

France tells nationals visiting Iran to leave ‘as soon as possible’

Six Days War again?


Israel might launch a pre-emptive strike on Iran before being attacked
The Biden administration is convinced Iran is going to attack Israel in retaliation for the assassination of Hamas political leader Ismail Haniyeh in Tehran earlier this week and is preparing to counter it, three U.S. officials tell @axios.

According to a Poll done today by Channel 14, 61% of Israelis support a Preemptive Strike against Iran and the “Axis of Resistance” before they are able to launch a Major Attack against Israel.

US special forces have been landing in Israel for 8 straight weeks.
Now the Marines are in port... along with the US Air Force and Navy.

Markets are all in the red, gold is over $2500. Friday is gonna be interesting.

What is Iran preparing for?
"Urgent: Deployment of the "Azarakhsh" air defense missile system to protect strategic places in the Iranian capital, Tehran."

Live update: Air India cancels all Tel Aviv flights until August 8 in light of security risks

Lots more in link below, and link to news stories

https://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bi...gi?read=244307

[Bill Ryan]

The Il-76 is a large cargo plane, capable of transporting 88,000 lbs/ 40,000 kgs/ 40 tons. (That's quite a lot of missiles.)

https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/118147

Russian Il-76 flew from Moscow to Tehran today.