Being tired/wary of online discussions...

[Pam]

Posted by Pam (here)

Posted by QueenRia (here)

Posted by SoulValor (here)
Herzlich Willkommen auch von mir. Du bist schuld, dass ich mich hier mal wieder eingeloggt und jetzt so viel geschrieben habe.

Danke, und sehr cool dass du zurückgekommen bist und dir die Zeit genommen hast, zu antworten!! :D

Wow, what you are describing is so interesting. It makes me realize that it is indeed much easier for negative entities to come to the forefront in online discussions.

My online experience has been different though, I didn't become aware of the negativity until I started getting into "Redpill"-territory.
My earliest memories of online contacts are from ca. 2000/2001 when I chatted a bit on ICQ and participated on a "David Letterman" online forum, which was a lot of fun and the people were super nice and interesting. The only marginally negative experience was one pedo in some chatroom or ICQ, but I immediately sussed what he was so that was a super brief contact 😂

Since then I remember only positive experiences, and quite a few led to making friends and meeting nice people in real life. In 2007 I got deep into manifesting and the evolution of consciousness, was on a forum (Abraham Hicks forum), in Facebook groups, Meetup Groups... but I experienced nothing negative like you described. The icky energies were only in real life, not online. The closest I got to your area of interest was a Tarot Forum, but it was part of a closed, paid community, so probably not too many fake people there.

Posted by SoulValor (here)
my experiences were a lot more positive in the first few years of my engagement with the internet. [...] back in the days when the net was innocent and much less controlled....Which is kind of paradoxical, is it not??

Yes indeed! The negative energies have ramped up considerably - I wasn't even aware of the censorship and control until 2021 when someone finally gave me the Red Pill.

Posted by SoulValor (here)
I rode the internet wave early.

Haha, so did I! But in the late 90s I used it mostly for research and getting my hands on English language material, and downloading music of course :D

Posted by SoulValor (here)
I delved into it having a positive image of witches [...] and also shamans, wizards etc - but that changed rather quickly.

Interesting! In the Tarot community many are into witchcraft, but I was never interested, I only ever sought the ONE, the Source - direct connection, no messing around with astral or lesser spirits. In the Tarot world I never met those with negative intent, only the good hearted ones. What I saw happening though was the woke-insanity creeping in. But it was always good-hearted people that suffered from that insanity.

I remember being on Twitter for a while and posting funny tweets, around 2018. And I noticed people bitching about how negative Twitter had become - and I couldn't relate because I just generated my own positivity there, so I never made contact with the negative energies.

It was only when I became conscious of the conspiracy-side of the world, and the dark forces and the deception that extends to the astral realm, that I started noticing negative energies online, but only in 'redpilled territory' groups and in that one forum. As if these were especially infiltrated so as to keep consciousness from expanding any further, and to keep the real conscious people apart from each other.

Posted by SoulValor (here)
you just get to the point of not wanting to bother with anyone anymore. Even in the "real world". Because these infestations have grown very strong and pervasive IMO.

I've arrived at the same point of not wanting to bother, but not because of the infestations but more because of the "NPC-ness" of the people. Even former friends and acquaintances - they are now living in a completely different world than I am, and it seems to cost me so much energy to interact with them, even online! I'm still puzzled as to why no one was able to follow me into Redpill-World. There are still some that I haven't had contact with in a few years, and I want to contact them to check where they are at in their consciousness.

Posted by SoulValor (here)
I kept pondering why this is all allowed to take place here on earth. Why is it such a "field" that the dark entities can have a field day with?? Who's granting them permission? [...] Why is it being allowed to go on and on and on?? With always news manifestations and intricacies (like with the online world)? I'm trully disillusioned by this.....

Wow, you are asking all the important questions!!
This topic would probably need its own thread, and I'm very interested in discussing this topic in general, it's one reason I came to this forum. I still need to do a little more searching here to find whether there's already dedicated threads to this.

I'll make my answer here as short as possible. 😄

So what I've found is: We live in an inverted reality. This place is not the "Real Thing". This place is a low-frequency copy of Prime Reality, specifically set up to be this way, to allow the negative energies to thrive by feeding off the suffering.
I have memories of "Prime Reality", heart-memories and also experiences of "Home"-states in dreams. And I'm not the only one, there are others who remember and are talking about this. The heart-memories and dreams I had are of a state that is not the Complete God-Oneness but a world were we are still individuals but everything feels much more REAL, like there is a deeper spiritual dimension to everthing and it's more real than the normal 3D-physical world!

But up until I got redpilled, I thought my memories are just a matter of frequency, that if I get on a high enough frequency here I'd have the depth of experience that I remember. And I thought the suffering and negativity in the world can be explained merely by ignorance. That's what is taught in the manifesting community and in the New Thought (not New Age!) writings I studied for years. Our consciousness creates physical reality and ignorance of that is the only reason the world is not as it should be.

But that's not it. I would say that everyone who still believes that has not become aware of the depths of depravity and suffering and negativity, and the deception and manipulation this world is steeped in.

Your disillusionment comes from your own heart-memories, you inherently know it shouldn't be this way, something is off.

When it all clicked into place for me was when I learned about the Gnostic idea of the "bad copy" of Prime Reality, or in more modern terms it's called "Simulacrum" or "Simulation" or "Matrix". But we have to distinguish between an "organic matrix" and the "false matrix" (Kerry K on Youtube uses these terms). If you look at the holographic universe theory, quantum physics and all that, you can still think it's all good, we are Spirit expressing ourselves in the physical, like a playground, a realm to explore and have adventures (this is what you often hear in the manifesting community, and what I believed for the longest time). A Dream that Consciousness is dreaming. Yes, that does sound fun, and I feel in my heart this is what we originally wanted, this is the reason for Prime Reality - a realm to express, explore, be individualized, create... But this place we are in is not it, it's like a copy that was distorted, and is being distorted more and more and more.
And the purpose of it is what some call a "loosh"-farm: negative consciousness feeding off of the "loosh"-energy that is produced by suffering.

I first heard about this concept in 2022 in David Icke's book The Trap, and he goes into more depth in his subsequent books "The Dream" and "The Reveal", and since then I've listened to different perspectives on this, like Kerry K, Isabella Greene, Lauda Leon, Lisa M Harrison, Howdie Mickoski... They all have their unique take on it, and some resonate more with me than others.

I have found these discoveries to be very empowering! I'm not disillusioned with all the darkness, because everything makes sense in that light. And I'm very optimistic because I believe we are taking down this false matrix from the inside and outside. Its days are numbered. That's where the "ascension" talk comes from, or the concept of the "New Earth". It's really not the New Earth, it's the REAL Earth.

The only thing I'm disillusioned by is all the people who have dropped out of my experience. And engaging with "NPCs" has become so pointless.

I found your post very exciting. I have been talking about the inversion of this realm for years. I even began calling it the predator/prey model. I even understood it as a child and I desperately wanted out. I came across the works of Robert Monroe who was the first person that I know of that began traveling this construct in OBE's and organized it into a study in the 1970's in and he actually coined the phrase "loosh". He is also responsible for binaural beats and the Monroe Institute.

I believed in the concept of loosh but not until I heard this excerpt from one of his books where he describes in detailed evolution, and I believe this is the true evolution did I see the cunning and brilliance of what they have done. I highly recommend listening to this. Basically the way I see it is that the "archons" or whoever they are are basically junkies. They are perpetually refining the quality of the loosh to give them a better high. Thus the devolution, rather than the progression one would think mankind would make.

On another note, I now believe the resets, the yugas, the ages ect. are done because they need to create stronger loosh. As is the case for every junkie, more and more is needed. That is why we are periodically devolving and this is the mother event coming down the pike. I am very excited to hear whatever you have to say.

Most people like to look at the external events happening here and now, I like to know, at least the best I can theorize the why of what is happening. The source of the issue . The senseless wars, the increasing atrocities, the self destruction, all of it to refine loosh.

My goal is to walk or crawl out of here in a state of unconditional love. I know just printing this will create a bit of ire in the realms we don't have easy access to. That is what Christ consciousness is ultimately about. Walk through this, know what it is and walk out with unconditional love. That doesn't mean being a whimp, in fact it is quite the opposite, it takes much courage. Have I succeeded , no, but that is my goal and I'll die with that as my ultimate goal.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ndoI8kD7CXM

Thank you for your wonderful response. When I was a little kid, we had a 3 mirrored medicine cabinet, you could open the 2 mirrored cabinets on each side. I was so small I could easily get on the counter and always tryed to manipulate the mirrors so I would create an infinity of my images and I knew if I could align them correctly I could go to the the place that is the opposite. There was absolutely no David Icke or any access to anything of this nature when I was a kid.

I distinctly remember the uninverted version of this reality, where we were able to receive energy without killing something else. It is far more real than this "place".

You are right, the Archons have no imagination and they detest beauty. Thus the "fires", the wars, the millions of excuses to destroy any evidence of beauty. I am only now researching the whole Tartarian as well as other cultures that have been mysteriously and systematically destroyed only to be replaced by millions of "McDonald, Starbucks and 7-11's". I see them replacing all the lovely remnants of oodles of wonderful diverse cultures with these tedious, corporate piles of junk, with no life giving ingredients in the "food" products they sell. They are like the Orks, they want a barren wasteland with nothing more than clusters of nanobots passing as humans, mindlessly producing the barren wasteland that is what they are.


They stole the original world and made this monstrosity. Yes, they can't kill all the beauty of the original, but they can not make their own.

Ultimately, I do want to emphasize, I believe all of this, the original earth, the bad copy, the whole thing is part of a giant construct. In the end, we can still clear ourselves to reach out of this place and connect with something, god, higher self, call it what you will. That is outside this whole game we are playing. So the whole thing is an immersive experience and in the end we will all be ok. But dang, this thing can really be immersive. I believe we are really honored to be playing at this level, this is some crazy stuff and we didn't get to be part of this by sitting on our arses.

I will end with, the days of this bad copy seem to be getting ready to either implode or we are due a major reset so they can start another round of this BS. The Jig is up on their shenanigans and their tired formula is becoming obvious to even some of the densest, although I am amazed at the number that still hold out hope for the big fix through the right govie or the right single decision. Don't get me wrong anything is possible but it won't happen through action on the physical level, the power is our connection to that which is beyond our little narrow band of awareness.

You are a delight my queen, and I enjoy your presence on the forum.

[Delight]

My imagination has always saved me. Now, more than ever I am onto how importsnt my imagination is NOW, saving me.

My mind is full of information. I particularly am an internet addict. But it pleases me and NOW my imagination is saving me from being caught by the myriads of 4th dimensional entities afoot.

Though I am no expert, I am certain there are underlying principles which we can use and apply to particular contexts. One principle I am using is that Consciousness trumps all other laws. Consciousness can operate beyond the underlying principles like correspondance or gender and how polarity is in all.

IF we take it to the extreme that WE have been endowed with the Consciousness of the All, WE with our awareness can operate with Creation. IMO we live in a 100% paradox in this realm. However, OUR free will is involved DEEPLY for our personal experience. Be cause we can choose which side of the paradox to become aware, we will invite that expression in our 4D materialized to 3D.

Online forums like this one makes me so happy to be able to post in. I love to read the reponses. IMO people long to understand and seek and also to bounce off others ideas.

MY idea right now is that I am literally ENCASED in Divine contact. There is only my I am and God. EVERYTHING around me is a spin. However, it is why we are here... to experience these trajectories and then learn to make OUR spin matter. I am so glad to say that I have an angle on just how I choose my reality to be.

With ease and grace the Apocalypse unfolds. The TRUTH is what we learn.. we will take it RAW, however that will be? In paradox, we can't handle the TRUTH and MUST struggle on and on with LIES. In MY spin, we all are graced with the Plasma energy of the deep real which infuses us. We LIGHT UP and this is not easy but YET it is like a breath of air and natural. It will be so different and when we can SEE what frequencies have hidden, shocking. We need our contact with our SPIRIT.

MY spirit rope is real. Within I am in a triune, Mother principle whom I feel, father principle and I feel that, and I. I exist and am a child of mother/father who in turn was birthed by the CREATOR beyond reckoning.

HOWEVER, that is just the mind needing to think. The real is that Supreme force is within us and all around us. All we need is to allow the beginning of where we can accept this as real. Archons/shmarcons means to me that now i am in contact, I am NOT in the astral. I may see it but I do not go there. I don't need anything form there. My mind is cleaning out the threads of acceptance for the LIES. New pathways approach FROM the spirit rope.

Just need to share because I am bursting with feeling about how we are in a whole unknown trajectory, YET we can still contact PA. I EXPECT IN MY REALITY THAT WE WILL NOT HAVE EXTREMES because reality is softening. The dream is shifting as WE change our focus from "out there" happening to us and go to IN HERE< INVOKING MY REALITY!

We want a place to share what we experience.

[Pam]

I had to come back to this thread. I know my buddy SoulValor won't mind a bit of diversion off the original topic. I had so hoped that Maggie (Delight) would throw her thoughts our way and I wasn't disappointed. I have learned so much over the years from the wisdom, curiosity and the research of so many wonderful members that have shared their interests and knowledge over the years.

My heart is filled with gratitude!!!!

Thank you to SoulValor, and every single member that has contributed, either through research, ideas or just contributing their energy to the collective. Just think of the beautiful, collective energy that has been contributed over the years. And of course, none of this would be made possible without Bill who continues to allow the magic to continue over the years.

[Vicus]

I want now provoke a discussion...

Well, I really don't know what is all about the fuss...after 4 years in this forum don't need to explain nobody how "I work"...it is crystal clear...I m direct and concise,don't beat the bushes around...

That´s primary my personality,second my style and third English isn't my mother tongue...a big motive don't getting lost in the bushes...

But what really count is my "radar"to detect friend from foe...nuances in expression "styles",that's why "punch in your nose" styles are rare but refreshing for me,like from Mashika...because they are REAL...not a snake slide approach with too many "nice words"but poisoned...

It is too easy for me to identify The "meaning" differences...when I detect some no gained animosity about me or my post I dont waist my time forded...
About me I don't see any adequate respond,just waist of time...when is about my post I respond only with facts...and then will see...

I don't have problems to recognize something wrong in my post,welcome clarifications...otherwise hasta la vista baby!

[shaberon]

Posted by Pam (here)
Archons have no imagination and they detest beauty. Thus the "fires", the wars, the millions of excuses to destroy any evidence of beauty. I am only now researching the whole Tartarian as well as other cultures that have been mysteriously and systematically destroyed only to be replaced by millions of "McDonald, Starbucks and 7-11's". I see them replacing all the lovely remnants of oodles of wonderful diverse cultures with these tedious, corporate piles of junk, with no life giving ingredients in the "food" products they sell.

I agree with this, in character, however I get the sense I may disagree with a lot of what is said about it.

I have not yet found a word for the kind of skepticism I will try to describe.

When I look back through everything, I become strongly biased at a point around 3,000 B. C. E., or the Age of Taurus, because we can find written evidence taking us back that far. In fact, rather a lot of it. Then it is relatively easy to determine there was a "world system", which broke, around the time of the murder of Hypatia.


My issues are -- if someone says they know what people said or did in some epoch beyond this time frame -- what is that coming from?

Then, because we can tell a great deal about what was happening, and, it turns out that the border-less constructive force was Masonry, how do you deal with that?

Thirdly, if we pick through it, and determine that Oligarchy is not a "thing in itself", but, rather, the slow bending of a nation's laws to its will, is that any consolation?


So, I have made a type of axiomatic statement, that Masonry is a constructive force, whereas Oligarchy is a disease that can be and has been cleansed. I don't understand how we could project these ideas onto pre-urbanized humans. I do understand why we would say it determines the role of governments and religious or spiritual organizations to work in a certain way, that is, to protect all the subjects. If these agencies are not pre-occupied with well-being, then, they are not real, or have become defective. That would be the definition. It does not affect how things actually work unless applied.

That is why I have difficulty communicating with or understanding a lot of posts, because the meaningful history does not go back that far, but something tangible and recent as the [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_of_Westphalia"]Peace of Westphalia 1648/URL] does not seem to gain much attention. However it is highly conditional to us all at this very moment. That is, in getting rid of it and covering it up. I would argue that almost every treaty since then has knowingly carried a seed of disaster in its creation.

As soon as we start talking about, anything, we may be having an axiomatically different discussion, despite sharing similar values.

[QueenRia]

Posted by Pam (here)
When I was a little kid, we had a 3 mirrored medicine cabinet, you could open the 2 mirrored cabinets on each side. I was so small I could easily get on the counter and always tryed to manipulate the mirrors so I would create an infinity of my images and I knew if I could align them correctly I could go to the the place that is the opposite. [...]
I distinctly remember the uninverted version of this reality, where we were able to receive energy without killing something else. It is far more real than this "place".

WOW!!! Thank you for sharing! I find this so fascinating.

Posted by Pam (here)
Ultimately, I do want to emphasize, I believe all of this, the original earth, the bad copy, the whole thing is part of a giant construct. In the end, we can still clear ourselves to reach out of this place and connect with something, god, higher self, call it what you will. That is outside this whole game we are playing.

Yes, absolutely! I have heard the term "base reality", or "the void", or "the ground of being" - God. Some people, like Isabella Greene or David Icke, feel strongly that they want to return directly there and not play in form anymore, at least not for a while. I don't belong to that category because I have these strong memories of Prime Reality, and feel that I want to play and experience life there. In Prime Reality the connection to 'God' is conscious and strong, that's why the "Alive-ness" is so high. It's not obstructed and appearing 'cut-off' like here.

I think there are many "constructs", or "matrices", and normally every point in consciousness can freely choose whether to experience one, and which one.

Posted by Pam (here)
You are a delight my queen, and I enjoy your presence on the forum.

Aw, thank you Pam, right back at you! 🥰


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Something cool: I just found some confirmation for my theory that the 'matrix controllers' do not like these discussions and are actively trying to thwart them:

Posted by QueenRia (here)

Posted by Pam (here)
I know just printing this will create a bit of ire in the realms we don't have easy access to.

Indeed, I think these kind of conversations are some of the most dangerous to them. That's why I was theorizing earlier on this thread that they would try their best to supress or infiltrate these kind of conversations, to keep people from thinking too far and sussing their game.

Isabella Greene (author of "Leaving the Trap") says in an interview that she observed "Agent Smiths" coming after her as soon as her information began to reach a larger audience. The interviewer asks her about possible repercussions for spreading the information that we live in a false matrix, and that reincarnation is a trap. Isabella quote:

"...observing that really strange occurrences that are not typical would kind of start spinning out, exactly at the time when I see let's say the interview went to like over 100,000 views. And all of a sudden something starts like [makes spinning motions with her hands] showing up.
But the practices actually help to be an observer in these situations and to not get worked up, not get emotionally involved, and just be able to kind of, Oh okay, so I have trolls as agent Smiths let's just say. Because the information just spiked up the attention to it, just spiked up the amount of people talking and paying attention to that and questioning things, that I triggered, just reached a certain number, and all of a sudden there are like little attempts to cool that down."

Source:
Isabella Greene interview on Your Superior Self YT-channel, Feb 19, 2024
(at 25min)


I think this is where AI-bots come into play. It would be hard to justify censoring spiritual discussions (as opposed to health/conspiracy discussions) - the system still works mostly through people, and the lower level minions-people need to be told a 'valid' reason for censorship. The argument that someone is a domestic terrorist because they talk about the reincarnation-trap would not hold. So they (the higher level-controllers) have to use tools like AI to obstruct and confuse the discussion of these topics. At least this is my current theory.

[HopSan]

Posted by Pam (here)

You are right, the Archons have no imagination and they detest beauty.

Thus the "fires", the wars, the millions of excuses to destroy any evidence of beauty. I am only now researching the whole Tartarian as well as other cultures that have been mysteriously and systematically destroyed only to be replaced by millions of "McDonald, Starbucks and 7-11's". I see them replacing all the lovely remnants of oodles of wonderful diverse cultures with these tedious, corporate piles of junk, with no life giving ingredients in the "food" products they sell. They are like the Orks, they want a barren wasteland with nothing more than clusters of nanobots passing as humans, mindlessly producing the barren wasteland that is what they are.

Thanks, brings to mind:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/cG30Zu7eHeLA/

These 'Contraries', hating deeper creation, are in my mind like Archons.

Avalon has discussed this at least in:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...k-MASS-CONTACT

Also, often comes to mind:

Do these 'Contraries' search for 'AI' desperately?