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    Quote Posted by Sirus (here)
    That they themselves feel humiliation because they're not as powerful as the Western countries.


    That's an assertion, which is groundless, as far as I can tell. They tend to feel calm:


    Also on Saturday, a video was widely circulated that captured a southern Lebanese child calmly enjoying sweets on his balcony, undisturbed by the Israeli airstrikes targeting the area, a testament to people’s trust in Hezbollah’s steadfast commitment to defending them.

    Despite the airstrikes, the resistance’s missiles were launched towards the occupied territories,” the correspondent stressed.






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    Quote If there was no profit in the middle eastern wars then they simply wouldn't exist. All this bull**** of painting Israel as the evil ones is propaganda. Hezbollah, Hamas and the Iranian leaders aren't poor are they?


    No, of course they are not poor. Most of that is privately donated. This is because of comprador governments, which is perhaps a more meaningful argument. That is why Lebanon is not much of a country, which is more complicated than emotional posturing.

    Painting Israel as it is requires little propaganda, just objectivity. It's an invasion, which of course was more powerful to start. It's just an invasion. That one is fully backed by propaganda, such as Bible beliefs. And an ape-like level of racism. Every day there are HZB obituaries of individual fighters, whereas Israel has to hide its losses while its settlers squeal and flee. So the psychological argument is a bit backwards. Besides, this argument has evolved beyond Evil and has attained Stupid. It's just Stupid, because it can only repeat the same fractured ideas, with no ability to respond to stimuli.


    If not everyone felt this way last year, if we look at the "swing vote" of the world, it has almost entirely turned away from Israel. Here, of course, we mean Columbia and similar places that are not directly involved. They have all been tricked, are making a mistake?

    I believe it is just the revelation of facts without Zio-speak masking them, or censoring you or putting you in jail.

    No one has yet addressed why the Jews have a 3,000 year old problem; instead we are typically pushed to one side or the other. I would be willing to listen to both sides on what makes this so bad, but the resolution is not in this modern state. We might ask why Jews have been perfectly integrated into Iran while most of the rest of the diaspora has not gone well? If Iranians were such "racists", how could this have happened? Are they suffering retributive strikes today? Not that I know of.

    It would simply dustify most western thought--if anything, the Mountain Jews are the Lost Tribes, those are the real Israelis in the historical sense. They live in Iran and Russia mostly. This is an objective fact which does not fit most readily-available narratives. In ancient times, there was probably a lot of fighting, but, in the historical record, we do not find the same legacy of oppressions and revolts. Since they are not powerful, perhaps they feel humiliated, inferior? I doubt it. That doesn't seem to me to be a significant component for most...non-USA-powerful populations. Certainly there aren't any other western countries that have power these days.

    It's going to be difficult to make points from a state of denial and distortion.
    Well there's under 10k Jews in Iran and they are barred from holding certain positions in the government. Sounds like apartheid to me? And don't forget that there are plenty of Muslims within China and they are not treated well, so your point is irrelevant.
    What's the 3000 year-old jewish problem exactly?

    Most Jews and Arabs from Israel and the Palestinian territories have canaanite roots in their DNA so stick to the facts please.

    Israel is here and it's not going anywhere. The recent attack on Hezbollah would not have happened if they hadn't kept firing rockets into Northern Israel and Gaza would not have happened if not for October the 7th.

    If you choose to justify the actions of terrorist groups then that's up to you. None so blind as them that won't see...

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    Israel is here and it's not going anywhere. The recent attack on Hezbollah would not have happened if they hadn't kept firing rockets into Northern Israel and Gaza would not have happened if not for October the 7th.
    Maybe Oct 7 was a response to NAKBA and 75 years of zionist terror that followed it ?

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    Actually, Israel's status is degrading by the day, every time they're committing atrocities against Palestinians, they're repulsing millions more people around the world. Israel wouldn't exist if it wasn't for their USA cash cow, and that's only because Israel has infiltrated USA's political system and literally taken control over congress and media. Israel has even committed false flag terrorism against their cash cow USA, with total impunity to date. Remember the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty. And the dancing Israeli spies that celebrated the collapsing World Trade Centre on 9/11, etc. And the cash cow itself is getting increasingly unsustainable, so the whole scam will fall apart sooner of later.
    Who will miss Israel once it has been wiped out? Not too many.

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    ¨The Ramat David airbase, near Haifa, was bombarded by dozens of Fadi 1 and 2 missiles. The base was hit after a number of missiles penetrated the Iron Dome. It is considered the most important and largest airbase in northern occupied Palestine.

    The Israeli military wants to focus on images showing damage in civilian areas in order to use them to gain legitimacy. Ȭ

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    Actually, Israel's status is degrading by the day, every time they're committing atrocities against Palestinians, they're repulsing millions more people around the world. Israel wouldn't exist if it wasn't for their USA cash cow, and that's only because Israel has infiltrated USA's political system and literally taken control over congress and media. Israel has even committed false flag terrorism against their cash cow USA, with total impunity to date. Remember the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty. And the dancing Israeli spies that celebrated the collapsing World Trade Centre on 9/11, etc. And the cash cow itself is getting increasingly unsustainable, so the whole scam will fall apart sooner of later.
    Who will miss Israel once it has been wiped out? Not too many.
    i also want to chime in and say that historically, Jewish collaboration with the dominant empire always ends in ruins for Israel (i.e. Babylon, Persia, Rome...)

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    This was twice:


    The Islamic Resistance targeted Ramat David military base and airport with dozens of missiles, branded Fadi 1 and Fadi 2, in response to the repeated Israeli aggression on the various Lebanese regions which left many civilian martyrs.

    The Islamic Resistance targeted, for the second time, Ramat David military base and airport with dozens of missiles, branded Fadi 1 and Fadi 2, in response to the repeated Israeli aggression on the various Lebanese regions which left many civilian martyrs.


    Also:

    In a preliminary response to the brutal massacre committed by the Israeli enemy in the various Lebanese regions on Tuesday and Wednesday (Pagers and Wireless Devices massacre), the Islamic Resistance bombarded the military industries complexes owned by Rafael Firm, which specializes in producing electronic devices and equipment, located in the Zevulun area north of Haifa, with dozens of Fadi 1, Fadi 2, and Katyusha missiles, at 6:30 a.m.

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    Quote Posted by Sirus (here)
    What's the 3000 year-old jewish problem exactly?

    It primarily begins with a fellow called Elijah. He invented something called "Yhwh" which became an excuse to demonize a neighbor deity and condemn his king.

    I would not say it begins with Moses, etc., another invention.

    But it is a spontaneous, self-declared difference which was rather a revolt against all Canaan.

    If the destruction of Israel and the wanderings of its descendants where they may often be oppressed is not a problem, there would be no call for Israel. It was supposed to "solve" that wasn't it? Do I seriously need to answer that in order to contribute to the thread? Something seems missing if this question comes up.




    Quote Most Jews and Arabs from Israel and the Palestinian territories have canaanite roots in their DNA so stick to the facts please.
    I never said they didn't. Just that the Israelis had been elsewhere until around the 1920s. Most of the modern ones are not merely Middle Eastern, but mixed with the regions of the diaspora. As to what constitutes apartheid, such as "banned from government" versus "killed for who you are", is again a more complex subject than a brief reference allows.

    There are not that many Jews in Iran, because this diaspora consists of numerous villages that were not based on modern boundaries, so if you look at the actual spread, it is hundreds of thousands. It has remained there, unlike France, England, Italy, etc., so if anything we might generally say it represents a "smaller problem".


    Quote Israel is here and it's not going anywhere.

    I see. Yes, it might continue to exist for a while.

    I just understand it is a 1920s invasion that the neighbors do not accept. How that might amount to a form of "blindness" is incomprehensible.

    If it were not for Oct. 7, Israel would have been accepted and normalized by Saudi Arabia. As of a few days ago, it is denied, Palestine is affirmed. If you choose to ignore this, it doesn't matter.

    I'm not going to "justify" a single thing. If anyone would like to accuse me, personally, of something, you haven't scratched the surface of what that may be. Looking in the wrong direction, which, I suppose, is what a planned narrative does. But you are welcome to guess.

    For the most part, I am just presenting reports that most of the rest of the world does not accept or believe Zionist hyperbole, and will resist and oppose it in various ways.

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    https://www.rt.com/news/604470-israe...banon-attacks/

    22 September 2024

    Israeli president comments on Lebanon pager attacks
    Hezbollah has “many enemies,” while his country is only “defending itself,” President Isaac Herzog has said


    Israeli President Isaac Herzog has made several comments on the alleged involvement of West Jerusalem in the mass detonation of pagers and walkie-talkies in Lebanon last week.

    Herzog made the remarks while speaking to Sky News’ Trevor Phillips on Sunday, as the host grilled the president on the apparently indiscriminate nature of the attacks that killed at least 37, including two children, and injured some 3,000.

    “I reject out of hand any connection to this or that source of operation,” Herzog stated.

    Asked whether Israel denies involvement altogether or blames any other party for the attacks, the president refrained from doing so, while accusing Hezbollah of “destroying Lebanon” in the first place.

    “I did not allude to anything except saying that there are many enemies of Hezbollah out there, quite a few these days. Hezbollah has been choking Lebanon, destroying Lebanon, creating havoc in Lebanon again and again and again. We are here simply to defend ourselves. That’s all we do,” he stated.

    Israeli intelligence is widely suspected of having been behind the attacks, which have been roundly criticized globally.

    UN human rights commissioner Volker Turk called the incident “shocking” and said that it had unleashed profound “fear and terror.”

    “Simultaneous targeting of thousands of individuals, whether civilians or members of armed groups, without knowledge as to who was in possession of the targeted devices, their location and their surroundings at the time of the attack, violates international human rights law and, to the extent applicable, international humanitarian law,” he stated.

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    Personal comment on the above article: of course Israel’s officialdom will deny their involvement in the recent pager terror operation in Lebanon. They always do. And if caught red-handed, as in their 1967 terrorist attack on the USS Liberty, they’ll just continue to pretend they didn’t know and/or make up whatever excuses. Who else is completely fed up with these lying psychopaths.

    I’m about to start reading “Solving 9/11” by Christopher Bollyn, which compiles evidence of Israel’s implication on the September 11, 2001 attack on USA. To anyone who has paid close attention to these events, it’s obvious that Israel was involved, especially since the dual-citizen agents in the White House immediately sought in the 9/11 aftermath to launch USA wars against several countries that stand in the way of Israel’s “Greater Israel” agenda. You know, ‘taking out 7 countries in 5 years’: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Somalia, Sudan, Libya, Iran. The latter 4 stand in the way of Israel’s planned petro-dollar monopoly of trade routes through the region of the world’s richest oil resources.

    What we really need to do is to declare Israel a terrorist state, now, before they blow up the planet with their illegal nukes. Isolate it, and sanction it to the hilt. Total embargo, until they surrender all of their arsenal.

    Also, the USA should be removed from the UN Security Council. After committing eco-industrial terrorism by blowing up the Nordstream pipeline, USA has no right to remain on the UNSC.

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    Miko Peled, an Isreali-American activist, discusses the extreme racism in Israel, from the Israeli celebrities that express that Palestinians prisoners deserve to be raped to the politicians that advocate for the starvation of children in Gaza. He talks about how many of these statements are freely stated in Hebrew to other Israelis, but when they get translated into English or other languages for the world to hear, the speaker will often claim they misspoke. Also, many Israeli's will distance themselves who say the most outrageously racist speakers (for example Meir Kahane), however, they have really adopted their ideas and just express themselves in more genteel ways, while supporting the genocide, theft of land, and brutality of the Israeli state.

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    • Unfiltered Unaltered Truth will be called "propaganda" because they always say: the added "proper context" is "missing".
    But how many times they "forget" to report that the added "counter context" is also propaganda ...

    Here lies the problem ... both sides seek excuses not to see the: "Unfiltered Unaltered Truth" for what it really is, as the pain and/or fear goes so deep that pushes "any means is justified for their greater good" attitude ... not realizing, eventually nobody is helped this way!

    In a rare occasion, that somebody (on either side) get a big platform is 100% honest and not being deceitful >>> desperately want to end the cycle of mutual horror will be scorned & rejected by both sides as it does not fit their endless retaliation agenda.
    • Neutral people that chooses to listen to both sides noticed very fast who is the real bully & oppressor 🇮🇱, using much more lies to "justify" endless terror.
    Meanwhile, the bully 🇮🇱 claims to be the "underdog" because they are surrounded by hostile & very angry enemies without mentioning why that is, and how it came to be like that.

    You see, everything is perception created on top of the "Unfiltered Unaltered Truth" ... Tyranny no matter who it is doing always selling "justifications" in a very limited tunnel vision way <<< and anyone that dares to challenge any of it will be called: "helping the enemy" ... That is why, the way it goes now, it will continue to go on forever! ... The majority of common sense people on both sides are silenced & scoffed!
    Honest, authentic, genuine people on both sides who are really beyond the mass conditioning are not welcome in any of the big mass media platforms, for a reason, as they do not serve the (tunnel vision) pushed narratives "justifying" whatever horror they want to do.

    If real representation of common sense people on both sides were to be allowed to speak and 100% respected on big platforms every day, the weapon industry would probably go bankrupt.

    So the role of mass brainwashing media here, is super evident, as their complicity is harrowing obvious to anyone who has a brain that functions properly.

    ... and I repeat:

    Am not "Anti-Jewish" nor "Anti-Muslim" as I can sense both have a majority that actually are against the madness ... but they do not control the mass brainwashing media nor do they control Mossad & leaders of fanatic resistance (also using deception tactics!) ... but one side gets systematically under-reported by design! ... The whole thing is rigged when you study mass media (left & right).

    cheers,
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    --o-O-o--


    ... perfect credible "common sense guy" example, not seen in the mass media:
    • Israeli General’s Son: Last 6 Months of Genocide Are ‘Beginning of the End’ for Israel 🇮🇱


    Israeli 🇮🇱 general’s son turned activist for Palestine Miko Peled describes why this huge shift in support for Palestinians is a turning point and “the beginning of the end of Israel.”

    Brian Becker is joined by Miko Peled, a human rights activist and son of Israeli 🇮🇱 general. He is the host of The Miko Peled Podcast and author of “The General’s Son - A Journey of an Israeli in Palestine” and "Injustice: The Story of the Holy Land Foundation Five.” You can find his podcast, books, and much more at mikopeled.com.
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    • Unfiltered Unaltered Truth will be called "propaganda" because they always say: the added "proper context" is "missing".
    But how many times they "forget" to report that the added "counter context" is ALSO propaganda ...

    Here lies the problem ... both sides seek excuses not to see the: "Unfiltered Unaltered Truth" for what it really is, as the pain and/or fear goes so deep that pushes "any means is justified for their greater good" attitude ... not realizing, eventually nobody is helped this way!

    In a rare occasion, that somebody (on either side) get a big platform is 100% honest and not being deceitful >>> desperately want to end the cycle of mutual horror will be scorned & rejected by both sides as it does not fit their endless retaliation agenda.
    • Neutral people that chooses to listen to both sides noticed very fast who is the real bully & oppressor 🇮🇱 , using much more lies to "justify" endless terror.
    Meanwhile, the bully claims to be the "underdog" because they are surrounded by hostile & very angry enemies without mentioning why that is, and how it came to be like that.

    You see, everything is perception created on top of the "Unfiltered Unaltered Truth" ... Tyranny no matter who it is doing always selling "justifications" in a very limited tunnel vision way <<< and anyone that dares to challenge any of it will be called: "helping the enemy" ... That is why, the way it goes now, it will continue to go on forever! ... The majority of common sense people on both sides are silenced & scoffed!
    Honest, authentic, genuine people on both sides who are really beyond the mass conditioning are not welcome in any of the big mass media platforms, for a reason, as they do not serve the pushed (tunnel vision) narratives "justifying" whatever horror they want to do.

    If real representation of common sense people on both sides were to be allowed to speak and 100% respected on big platforms every day, the weapon industry would probably go bankrupt.

    So the role of mass brainwashing media is super evident, as their complicity is harrowing obvious to anyone who has a brain that is functional properly.

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    Thank you John. I quote your post in its entirety because every statement hits the mark. It is all so true.

    There is one remark I would like to make, but that is not a criticism of your post, it is a general remark.

    It concerns (of course, I have a few times singled that out for my criticism) the “mass psychology” etc. element.

    It is important to understand that the term “mass psychology” or “psychosis’ did not originally cover mental states or processes that happen “massively”. It only concerned what happens to and in “masses”: physical conglomerations of humans, as in warring military units, in demonstrations, at sports events etc.

    It is this “physical (and psychical) togetherness” which is key – because the explanation offered, was that the closeness of many bodies led to behaviour which was also physically conditioned, through transmitted body heat, pheromones, direct sensory impact of things seen and heard (vibrations) or effective touch between bodies.

    A phenomenon brought about by simultaneity of separate individual experiences was, according to that definition and explanation, not a "mass phenomenon".

    A concrete example: Hitler’s speeches to the “masses” manipulated those physical processes, but his radio broadcasts did not. That was the reason why the imagery of families listening to the wireless "when the Führer speaks” were so important: the illusion was to be created that this simultaneous listening was equivalent to common presence “in the beer cellar”. One can clearly see in the three successive films that Leni Riefenstahl made of the Nürnberg party rallies how the impression moves from a rough-and-tumble togetherness with a lot of emotion to a highly stylised military drill-like presentation of “future fighters” to their Leader.

    Why is this important? The modern "mass media” (in which the name only means that they address themselves to “masses” in a figurative sense (correct it would be to say "multitudes” as in Negri’s works) do not address themselves to “masses" any more in a political sense. (That is why the "gilet jaune” movement in France is of such importance: it keeps aiming at "massive" (in the literal sense) presence of bodies in public space (as Juan Branco, the heroic young French lawyer and defender of Assange strongly theorises). (And notice how the American style of demonstrating ("keep walking”) disrupts this possibility of uncontrolled "mass" movement.)

    What the "mass media" do is keeping away people from the public spaces, fettering them to the seats in front of “the Führer speaks” radio, and, infinitely better, television. They do so specifically to create and condition similar behaviour. But this behaviour is, when people gather, only the sum total of individual behaviour, no "mass formation" at all is possible. When the vaccination campaigns were in high gear, hundreds of people could be seen together, patiently waiting in parallel rows, as in front of the gas chambers. Their "massiveness” was and is only the one of corralled victims. Livestock at the slaughterhouse behaves more independently. Imagine how the vaccination had fared, if those multitudes had really behaved as masses.

    Obviously, the internet and the (censured (?)) possibility of organising unpredictable gatherings offer new opportunities for the spontaneous creation of unpredictable and uncontrollable masses — but these initiatives mobilise only those people who have not yet been brainwashed, who have common sense as you say, and an intact conscience as I would emphasise. The "multitudes” have been brainwashed by the very process of isolating them, of depriving them of the elation, energy, enthusiasm (to emphasis the good potential for once) that the togetherness of many can bring (or by restricting expression of this to sports events).

    In short, it is NOT the “massive” aspect (in a figurative sense) that creates humanity’s powerlessness, it is the endless multiplication of isolation. This fact is also the main reason why we should try and live as much as possible in a grassroots level community with local barter economy etc. instead of restricting ourselves to the level of the "egoistic family" or the "local pub" or "tea room" talk where the founding parole is "adjust your expressed opinions to the opinions of others who are just as isolated as yourself”. It is those local communities who are able to rebuild the sense of common objectives also beyond the community, which then can lead to new forms of real masses (and mass demonstrations) – even if their high-tech communication devices are bugged and used against them as isolated individuals.

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    Quote Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)
    • Unfiltered Unaltered Truth will be called "propaganda" because they always say: the added "proper context" is "missing".
    But how many times they "forget" to report that the added "counter context" is also propaganda ...

    Here lies the problem ... both sides seek excuses not to see the: "Unfiltered Unaltered Truth" for what it really is, as the pain and/or fear goes so deep that pushes "any means is justified for their greater good" attitude ... not realizing, eventually nobody is helped this way!

    In a rare occasion, that somebody (on either side) get a big platform is 100% honest and not being deceitful >>> desperately want to end the cycle of mutual horror will be scorned & rejected by both sides as it does not fit their endless retaliation agenda.
    • Neutral people that chooses to listen to both sides noticed very fast who is the real bully & oppressor 🇮🇱, using much more lies to "justify" endless terror.
    Meanwhile, the bully 🇮🇱 claims to be the "underdog" because they are surrounded by hostile & very angry enemies without mentioning why that is, and how it came to be like that.

    You see, everything is perception created on top of the "Unfiltered Unaltered Truth" ... Tyranny no matter who it is doing always selling "justifications" in a very limited tunnel vision way <<< and anyone that dares to challenge any of it will be called: "helping the enemy" ... That is why, the way it goes now, it will continue to go on forever! ... The majority of common sense people on both sides are silenced & scoffed!
    Honest, authentic, genuine people on both sides who are really beyond the mass conditioning are not welcome in any of the big mass media platforms, for a reason, as they do not serve the (tunnel vision) pushed narratives "justifying" whatever horror they want to do.

    If real representation of common sense people on both sides were to be allowed to speak and 100% respected on big platforms every day, the weapon industry would probably go bankrupt.

    So the role of mass brainwashing media is super evident, as their complicity is harrowing obvious to anyone who has a brain that functions properly.

    ... and I repeat:

    Am not "Anti-Jewish" nor "Anti-Muslim" as I can sense both have a majority that actually are against the madness ... but they do not control the mass brainwashing media nor do they control Mossad & leaders of fanatic resistance (also using deception tactics!) ... but one side gets systematically under-reported by design! ... The whole thing is rigged when you study mass media (left & right).

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    Thank you John. I quote your post in its entirety because every statement hits the mark. It is all so true.

    There is one remark I would like to make, but that is not a criticism of your post, it is a general remark.

    It concerns (of course, I have a few times singled that out for my criticism) the “mass psychology” etc. element.

    It is important to understand that the term “mass psychology” or “psychosis’ did not originally cover mental states or processes that happen “massively”. It only concerned what happens to and in “masses”: physical conglomerations of humans, as in warring military units, in demonstrations, at sports events etc.

    It is this “physical (and psychical) togetherness” which is key – because the explanation offered, was that the closeness of many bodies led to behaviour which was also physically conditioned, through transmitted body heat, pheromones, direct sensory impact of things seen and heard (vibrations) or effective touch between bodies.

    A phenomenon brought about by simultaneity of separate individual experiences was, according to that definition and explanation, not a "mass phenomenon".

    A concrete example: Hitler’s speeches to the “masses” manipulated those physical processes, but his radio broadcasts did not. That was the reason why the imagery of families listening to the wireless "when the Führer speaks” were so important: the illusion was to be created that this simultaneous listening was equivalent to common presence “in the beer cellar”. One can clearly see in the three successive films that Leni Riefenstahl made of the Nürnberg party rallies how the impression moves from a rough-and-tumble togetherness with a lot of emotion to a highly stylised military drill-like presentation of “future fighters” to their Leader.

    Why is this important? The modern "mass media” (in which the name only means that they address themselves to “masses” in a figurative sense (correct it would be to say "multitudes” as in Negri’s works) do not address themselves to “masses" any more in a political sense. (That is why the "gilet jaune” movement in France is of such importance: it keeps aiming at "massive" (in the literal sense) presence of bodies in public space (as Juan Branco, the heroic young French lawyer and defender of Assange strongly theorises). (And notice how the American style of demonstrating ("keep walking”) disrupts this possibility of uncontrolled "mass" movement.)

    What the "mass media" do is keeping away people from the public spaces, fettering them to the seats in front of “the Führer speaks” radio, and, infinitely better, television. They do so specifically to create and condition similar behaviour. But this behaviour is, when people gather, only the sum total of individual behaviour, no "mass formation" at all is possible. When the vaccination campaigns were in high gear, hundreds of people could be seen together, patiently waiting in parallel rows, as in front of the gas chambers. Their "massiveness” was and is only the one of corralled victims. Livestock at the slaughterhouse behaves more independently. Imagine how the vaccination had fared, if those multitudes had really behaved as masses.

    Obviously, the internet and the (censured (?)) possibility of organising unpredictable gatherings offer new opportunities for the spontaneous creation of unpredictable and uncontrollable masses — but these initiatives mobilise only those people who have not yet been brainwashed, who have common sense as you say, and an intact conscience as I would emphasise. The "multitudes” have been brainwashed by the very process of isolating them, of depriving them of the elation, energy, enthusiasm (to emphasis the good potential for once) that the togetherness of many can bring (or by restricting expression of this to sports events).

    In short, it is NOT the “massive” aspect (in a figurative sense) that creates humanity’s powerlessness, it is the endless multiplication of isolation. This fact is also the main reason why we should try and live as much as possible in a grassroots level community with local barter economy etc. instead of restricting ourselves to the level of the "egoistic family" or the "local pub" or "tea room" talk where the founding parole is "adjust your expressed opinions to the opinions of others who are just as isolated as yourself”. It is those local communities who are able to rebuild the sense of common objectives also beyond the community, which then can lead to new forms of real masses (and mass demonstrations) – even if their high-tech communication devices are bugged and used against them as isolated individuals.
    Thanks,

    "mass psychology mechanism" is not the same as "mass psychosis" nor "mass hysteria" nor plane "mass psychology" ... but it has some aspects or elements of it ... that is why I added the word: "mechanism" ... (similar when people say: "type of person" does not mean exact the same person).

    cheers,
    John 🦜🦋🌳
    Last edited by ExomatrixTV; 23rd September 2024 at 14:43.
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    "Israel has responded to all calls for restraint and negotiations with more insane escalation.

    U.S. policies support and encourage Israel in its open war, and Washington's actions contradict its statements.

    We reiterate that an open regional war will benefit no one in the region or the world.

    We have sufficient capability to strike Israel, and our response will come at the right time and in the right way.

    Israel assassinated Haniyeh in Tehran to drag us into a regional war, but we have exercised the utmost restraint.

    Israel’s assassination of Ismail Haniyeh in Tehran will not go unanswered, and our response is forthcoming.

    We are ready to work on reducing tensions in the region, but Israel does not want that and is escalating and expanding the war.

    We are willing to lay down all our weapons, but the question is whether Israel is ready to do the same.

    Our allies do not take orders from us; they make their own decisions based on their defense needs.

    We are ready for dialogue with Washington to resolve disputes, and the U.S. must fulfill its commitments."

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