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    Default Re: Chinese and anti-Chinese propaganda — what's the truth?

    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    (Starting at 32 minutes into the video, a list of some of the nefarious attacks from the CCP on the US, from agroterrorism to the infiltration of US Universities including Harvard, Stanford and the Univ. of Michigan.)
    Yes - China is a major player. My guess is that Xi Jinping and his government have been built up and covertly managed by the same globalists as were behind the Bush's, Clinton's, Rockefeller's, and too many others in the U.S. and around the world. These globalist families have been centered in Western Europe for millennia. Those elite bastards, as I like to call them, can take credit for much of the major events, reported and covert, in humanity's history.

    China has helped reshape the world's economy, production, elections, medicine, politics, finances, technology, education, ... They've been on a mission in recent decades. It's not a mission I support.

    China's President, and their CCP's General Secretary, Xi Jinping, is apparently losing power, and likely health as well. As reported on Youtube channel "Lei's Real Talk", the stresses at the top of China's power pyramid are reaching a breaking point.

    (My above response is being posted before listening to the videos you posted above. Hopefully this response ages well, in light of that video content.)
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    I purposefully copied and pasted parts of the transcripts from the videos in my last post here:
    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1671541
    ...and edited them into a form that is easy to read.
    So that anyone who doesn't have time to watch the videos can quickly get a good idea of what news about the threats from China is most critical now.
    It doesn't take long to read but it is definitely noteworthy news, and makes it obvious that the situation is becoming very serious.

    Quote Posted by ThePythonicCow (here)
    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    (Starting at 32 minutes into the video, a list of some of the nefarious attacks from the CCP on the US, from agroterrorism to the infiltration of US Universities including Harvard, Stanford and the Univ. of Michigan.)
    (My above response is being posted before listening to the videos you posted above. Hopefully this response ages well, in light of that video content.)
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    China’s Poverty Explosion: 300 Million Jobless, Families Pushed Poverty, Cities Overrun by Homeless.
    China Inside
    18.6K subscribers
    Sep 1, 2025

    (The reality of China is much different than the CCP's prodigiously expensive propaganda would have us believe.)

    The main content of the program:
    0:00 China’s poverty explosion revealed.
    0:35 Fragile growth model exposed.
    3:21 Jobless youth, collapsing factories, rising homelessness.
    8:48 Real estate, job mismatch, state control.
    13:33 Human cost, broken families, lost future.
    18:32 A nation at breaking point.
    19:58 Truths Beijing can’t hide.



    Also:
    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    Three Gorges Dam Nightmare: Cracks Exposed, China on Edge
    China Undercover
    75.7K subscribers
    Aug 27, 2025

    (The "disaster clock" is speeding up...)

    "In 2025, before China had even entered its official flood season in July, disaster was already sweeping across the nation. From the smoky industrial belts of the north to the farmlands of the south, unrelenting rains merged with swollen rivers, turning what should have been routine monsoon challenges into a nationwide nightmare. The waters didn’t burst in a single wave—they crept forward day after day, tightening their grip until whole provinces were drowning.
    By July 4, Chinese officials admitted that 329 rivers had surged past the danger line. But behind this statistic lies a far darker truth: this crisis is not simply nature’s wrath—it’s the result of human arrogance. And at the very heart of it stands the most controversial symbol of modern China—the Three Gorges Dam.
    Once glorified as the Communist Party’s ultimate triumph of engineering, the dam is now seen as its Achilles’ heel. When it was inaugurated in 2003, state media boasted that it could withstand a “once-in-a-thousand-year” flood. Later, that promise was quietly downgraded to “once in a century.” Now, as red alerts blare across central China, even that watered-down claim sounds like a cruel joke. The cracks in the illusion—both metaphorical and real—are widening. "

    Significant comment, which explains a LOT:
    Quote @MichaelRobertson-i8f
    1 day ago
    I retired from the LADWP in 2016 with the last 17 years spent in the Owen’s Valley as an Electric Station Operator. Back in those days I read an article about damming up the largest river in China, it displaced 150 million people from the areas that were going to be underwater. The One thing was that landfills included not only garbage but China didn’t separate Biological and Nuclear Waste in their landfills and putting them underwater would eventually cause both the nuclear and biological waste eventually contaminated the entire water supply, that’s why the concrete along with the generators themselves would eventually Fail, along with the water that floods after the dam failed you have to realize all of these waters are contaminated with nuclear and biological waste . Probably the single biggest toxic waste development in the History of the Human Race .
    The filthy water is just one symptom of the CCP's heedless attitude when it comes to the environment. The same can be said of the pollution in the air and soil, not to mention the sewer systems.

    Quote Posted by Flash (here)
    Quote Posted by Rizotto (here)
    Very interesting interview with Col. Wilkerson: world power inexorably shifting from west to east, Israel's expansion agenda, war against Iran, christian zionism in USA, obligatory 'prayer meetings' at the Pentagon, etc.

    Col. Larry Wilkerson: The U.S. Is Falling Apart?! Shocking Warning Signs EVERYWHERE
    There was an excellent article in French about the last meeting of China, Russia, India, Turkey, Bellarusse, Iran, North Korea, and few little countries.

    The article was explaining what China was offering to countries where the US has imposed large tariffs. While USA is asking money, China is giving them money.

    They were also saying that all the countries around Vietnam were now alined with China, therefore isolating Vietnam which does not want to go China's way.

    They were also writing that up to the last minute India did not want to align with China, it wanted to remain kind of neutral in terms of economy.
    But the tariffs imposed by Trump are so prohibitive for a developing country, albeit the most populated in the world, that India had no choice but to align with China.
    ********************

    They were saying that Trump is pushing the East and India in the hands of China.
    ********************

    China present itself as the side lover. And it is working for many. In my opinion, Chinese economy will dominate within 5 to 10 years. No doubts about it. Chinese plan for 100 years, it is in their culture, their cognitive biais. And this is not a good news for us, occidentals and for freedom of the people either. USA plans (used to be 4 years) now for 6 months, sometimes everything changes within 2 weeks. No planning. Truthfully not bright.
    More here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1683504
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    Default Re: Chinese and anti-Chinese propaganda — what's the truth?

    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    China’s Poverty Explosion: 300 Million Jobless, Families Pushed Poverty, Cities Overrun by Homeless.
    China Inside
    18.6K subscribers
    Sep 1, 2025

    (The reality of China is much different than the CCP's prodigiously expensive propaganda would have us believe.)

    The main content of the program:
    0:00 China’s poverty explosion revealed.
    0:35 Fragile growth model exposed.
    3:21 Jobless youth, collapsing factories, rising homelessness.
    8:48 Real estate, job mismatch, state control.
    13:33 Human cost, broken families, lost future.
    18:32 A nation at breaking point.
    19:58 Truths Beijing can’t hide.



    Also:
    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    Three Gorges Dam Nightmare: Cracks Exposed, China on Edge
    China Undercover
    75.7K subscribers
    Aug 27, 2025

    (The "disaster clock" is speeding up...)

    "In 2025, before China had even entered its official flood season in July, disaster was already sweeping across the nation. From the smoky industrial belts of the north to the farmlands of the south, unrelenting rains merged with swollen rivers, turning what should have been routine monsoon challenges into a nationwide nightmare. The waters didn’t burst in a single wave—they crept forward day after day, tightening their grip until whole provinces were drowning.
    By July 4, Chinese officials admitted that 329 rivers had surged past the danger line. But behind this statistic lies a far darker truth: this crisis is not simply nature’s wrath—it’s the result of human arrogance. And at the very heart of it stands the most controversial symbol of modern China—the Three Gorges Dam.
    Once glorified as the Communist Party’s ultimate triumph of engineering, the dam is now seen as its Achilles’ heel. When it was inaugurated in 2003, state media boasted that it could withstand a “once-in-a-thousand-year” flood. Later, that promise was quietly downgraded to “once in a century.” Now, as red alerts blare across central China, even that watered-down claim sounds like a cruel joke. The cracks in the illusion—both metaphorical and real—are widening. "

    Significant comment, which explains a LOT:
    Quote @MichaelRobertson-i8f
    1 day ago
    I retired from the LADWP in 2016 with the last 17 years spent in the Owen’s Valley as an Electric Station Operator. Back in those days I read an article about damming up the largest river in China, it displaced 150 million people from the areas that were going to be underwater. The One thing was that landfills included not only garbage but China didn’t separate Biological and Nuclear Waste in their landfills and putting them underwater would eventually cause both the nuclear and biological waste eventually contaminated the entire water supply, that’s why the concrete along with the generators themselves would eventually Fail, along with the water that floods after the dam failed you have to realize all of these waters are contaminated with nuclear and biological waste . Probably the single biggest toxic waste development in the History of the Human Race .
    The filthy water is just one symptom of the CCP's heedless attitude when it comes to the environment. The same can be said of the pollution in the air and soil, not to mention the sewer systems.

    Quote Posted by Flash (here)
    Quote Posted by Rizotto (here)
    Very interesting interview with Col. Wilkerson: world power inexorably shifting from west to east, Israel's expansion agenda, war against Iran, christian zionism in USA, obligatory 'prayer meetings' at the Pentagon, etc.

    Col. Larry Wilkerson: The U.S. Is Falling Apart?! Shocking Warning Signs EVERYWHERE
    There was an excellent article in French about the last meeting of China, Russia, India, Turkey, Bellarusse, Iran, North Korea, and few little countries.

    The article was explaining what China was offering to countries where the US has imposed large tariffs. While USA is asking money, China is giving them money.

    They were also saying that all the countries around Vietnam were now alined with China, therefore isolating Vietnam which does not want to go China's way.

    They were also writing that up to the last minute India did not want to align with China, it wanted to remain kind of neutral in terms of economy.
    But the tariffs imposed by Trump are so prohibitive for a developing country, albeit the most populated in the world, that India had no choice but to align with China.
    ********************

    They were saying that Trump is pushing the East and India in the hands of China.
    ********************

    China present itself as the side lover. And it is working for many. In my opinion, Chinese economy will dominate within 5 to 10 years. No doubts about it. Chinese plan for 100 years, it is in their culture, their cognitive biais. And this is not a good news for us, occidentals and for freedom of the people either. USA plans (used to be 4 years) now for 6 months, sometimes everything changes within 2 weeks. No planning. Truthfully not bright.
    More here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1683504
    ~~~

    But there's another aspect to this, maybe one that could help us figure out what's propaganda and what's not.

    Here's an interesting short video, just published, about a well-known Indian journalist (the anchor of the Firstpost Indian YT news channel) who was always fiercely critical of China... until she went there last week to see for herself. The YT comments are naturally dubious of her sincerity, but it might be very real.

    From China HATER to China ADMIRER: Palki Sharma's Incredible Journey



    (This below was also posted by Ravenlocke on the Multipolar World Order thread, copied here)


    ~~~

    Palki Sharma, the Indian journalist who produced many an anti-China report in recent years, has come to China.

    After seeing this place with her own eyes, she’s having a change of heart…

    https://x.com/AndyBxxx/status/1962336246556201295


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    The CCP no doubt paid her a pretty penny for that propaganda..
    Like many "White Monkeys" (people from other countries who often (but not necessarily) go to live in China and get paid prodigous amounts of money to create false ads for the CCP). There are plenty of examples of these. They are generally closely guarded when on assignment as they are escorted to the areas the CCP wants them to see, and made to avoid any troublesome areas. "The China Show" frequently reports on that, but I know you don't favor them Bill, so I have provided some other examples on the "What's Happening in China" thread here:https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1683524
    China Hires Foreigners to Belittle Themselves. Most Ridiculous"White Monkey" Jobs. Paid by CCP.
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    "White Monkey" is a term used by native Chinese in the Communist State to refer to paid actors and influencers who's job it is, is to enforce the Chinese nationalist ideals of superiority.

    The term has become a general one and refers to any foreigner doing these types of jobs. "White Monkeys" do not have to work in China. Many are international actors and influencers, paid to influence public opinion positively in favor or Chinese political stances, particularly in policy that is frowned upon such as internment camps in Xingjian, settlements in Tibet, it's covert seizing of Hong Kong, dispute of Taiwan, or oppression of Religious Freedom of Christians, and other religious minorities."



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    He threw his freedom away for some cheap beer!"



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    YouTubers Paid To Spread Chinese Propaganda (Cyrus Janssen, Barrett, Jason Lightfoot)
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    "The Chinese Communist Party is no stranger to propaganda, and these YouTubers (Cyrus Janssen, Barrett and Jason Lightfoot/Living in China) are just pawns in their game.

    This video discusses the evidence tying Cyrus Janssen, Barrett, and Jason Lightfoot (Living in China) to the Chinese government, as well as the hypocrisy of some of their claims."

    0:00 - Intro
    4:18 - Cyrus Janssen
    8:58 - Barrett
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    18:22 - Outro



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    There are plenty of videos from various sources on youtube about White Monkeys.

    BUT you might want to check this out first, just one example of what often happens to countries who participate in the Belt & Road Initiative:
    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...3504QUOTE=Bill Ryan;1683508]

    [QUOTE=onawah;1683504]Ecuador Angered! China-built Massive Dam is Tofu-Dreg, Ecuador Demands $400 Million Compensation
    China Observer
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    Aug 26, 2025

    "China's Belt and Road infrastructure projects have plunged some countries into deep debt, with many projects plagued by construction defects. Now, these affected nations have reached their breaking point.
    Ecuador's massive hydropower plant, Coca Codo Sinclair, has become the center of a major structural defect scandal. The Chinese state-owned company behind the project will compensate the Ecuadorian government with 400 million US dollars for the damages caused by these defects.

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    Default Re: Chinese and anti-Chinese propaganda — what's the truth?

    Maybe these last few posts should be moved to the thread I started a while back called Chinese and anti-Chinese propaganda — what's the truth?. (But despite my honest efforts to open a balanced discussion about this, the thread became quickly derailed with even more propaganda.)

    Just as a comment here, the issue with the Ecuador Coca Codo dam is NOT a big news item here, and doesn't qualify as a 'scandal'. I'd not even heard about it, and it took quite a while for me to find any news items here about it at all. (I searched for the following in Spanish. Do try it yourself. Barely anything comes up, and what does is mostly several years old.)
    La enorme central hidroeléctrica de Ecuador, Coca Codo Sinclair, se ha convertido en el centro de un importante escándalo por defectos estructurales.
    I doubt doubt the truth of the report at all, and thanks for letting me know about it! But the point here is how the issue is being used as propaganda.
    1. There are real things happening in the world, which Avalon members need and want to know about.
    2. Then there are news reports about those, many of which are laced with agendas. 'China Observer' is NOT a balanced news site.

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    Default Re: Chinese and anti-Chinese propaganda — what's the truth?

    I agree that most reporting in the Western mass media on China is hostile propaganda, intended to cover for Western intervention, subversion and destabilization, and potential military action.

    Given the vast size, population, wealth and power of China; it is remarkable how little of a problem they are at an international level, compared with... some other nations.

    China aren't for instance, always provoking and escalating wars all over the place; and continually trying to force other nations into their wars; or systematically destroying nations and their populations in wars - and they aren't continually flooding the world with evil ideological propaganda.

    Instead, they provide most of the material stuff that Western people want (for what that's worth).

    To continually be harping against China in public, and trying to recruit others to the cause; is not something I would expect to find in a genuinely well-motivated person.

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    Default Re: Chinese and anti-Chinese propaganda — what's the truth?

    I have spent more time than I imagine anyone else on the forum has investigating what is in the opinion of some regarding propaganda about China, but I have come to very different conclusions. Time will tell!
    There are plenty of other sources of news about China than China Observer, but the latter is usually more detailed, with more video footage, so it saves on the number of posts.
    As for the Chinese built dam in Ecuador, I don't have time now to do more, but I did a quick search re the dispute and following is just the first page of results that came up, so apparently it IS in the news:
    Here's one from the Center for Latin American & Latino Studies:
    https://aulablog.net/2024/08/21/the-...ct-in-ecuador/

    Succinct report here: https://www.watergynexus.com/2024/12...energy-crisis/

    This from :https://fundacionandresbello.org/en/...ce-initiative/
    "July 17, 2025

    Ecuador and Power China Reach Agreement on Coca Codo Sinclair Dispute
    Fundación Andrés Bello
    Photo: Ministerio de Turismo Ecuador.

    The Government of Ecuador has confirmed a settlement agreement with Power China, formerly Sinohydro, regarding the legal dispute over the Coca Codo Sinclair hydroelectric plant. Minister of Energy and Mines Inés Manzano announced that the agreement, though not yet finalized, represents a key step toward resolving the international arbitration process initiated by Ecuador’s state-owned electricity company, Celec.

    The dispute stems from structural issues in the plant, inaugurated in 2016 with more than $3.3 billion in Chinese financing. Since its opening, the facility has reported over 17,000 cracks in critical components and is under threat from the backward erosion of the Coca River, which compromises water intake infrastructure.

    While the arbitration process is still technically ongoing, Manzano indicated that both parties have reached important points of consensus. Separately, Foreign Minister Gabriela Sommerfeld revealed that a parallel agreement is being negotiated for Power China to take over the operation and maintenance of the plant under a contract estimated at $400 million.

    Officials clarified that the proposed arrangement is not a concession. Instead, the Ecuadorian state would retain full ownership of Coca Codo Sinclair, while Power China would manage operations and maintenance for a defined period in exchange for a generation-based fee.

    Former Energy Minister Carlos Pérez expressed support for the current administration’s decision, noting that similar arrangements had been considered in previous governments. Ecuador continues to service its outstanding debt of approximately $1.8 billion to Chinese banks, while Celec is pursuing $580 million in damages through arbitration for construction defects."
    dialogue.earth

    From the web search:
    https://dialogue.earth › en › energy › ecuador-drops-dam-dispute-with-china-but-project-remains-contentious

    Ecuador drops dam dispute with China, but project remains contentious
    1 day agoAs part of the agreement, the Chinese state-owned enterprise will pay USD 400 million in compensation. In return, the Ecuadorian government will end the international arbitration it initiated in 2021 to pursue USD 580 million in damages.


    YouTube

    https://www.youtube.com › watch?v=MyRMZeR60Dc

    Ecuador Angered! China-built Massive Dam is Tofu-Dreg, Ecuador Demands ...
    The Chinese state-owned company behind the project will compensate the Ecuadorian government with 400 million US dollars for the damages caused by these defects.


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    https://www.droptheinfo.com › 2025 › 07 › 23 › power-china-to-compensate-ecuador-with-400-million-over-coca-codo-sinclair-hydroelectric-plant-defects

    Power China to compensate Ecuador with $400 million over coca codo ...
    Jul 23, 2025Power China, the Chinese state-owned company behind the construction of the Coca Codo Sinclair hydroelectric plant, will compensate the Ecuadorian government with $400 million due to multiple structural failures detected in the facility, including thousands of cracks in the turbine distributors. The announcement was made by Ecuador's Minister of Economy and Finance, Sariha Moya, during […]


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    Ecuador and Power China Reach Agreement on Coca Codo Sinclair Dispute
    Jul 17, 2025Ecuador and Power China reached a settlement over Coca Codo Sinclair and are negotiating a $400M operation and maintenance contract for the hydro plant.


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    Chinese Communist Party's "Belt and Road" projects plagued by shoddy ...
    Aug 26, 2025They want to control other countries' economies," adding, "We will not pay." Chinese-Canadian writer and senior commentator Sheng Xue told Epoch Times that Ecuador's demand for a $400 million settlement from a Chinese company marks a crisis point for China's "Belt and Road" initiative.

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    https://www.lahora.com.ec › economia › Ecuador-acuerda-con-Power-China-mantenimiento-y-operacion-de-Coca-Codo-Sinclair-por-400-millones-20250708-0007.html

    Ecuador acuerda con Power China mantenimiento y operación de Coca Codo ...
    Jul 8, 2025Economía Ecuador acuerda con Power China mantenimiento y operación de Coca Codo Sinclair por $400 millones La canciller Gabriela Sommerfeld confirmó que el Gobierno ecuatoriano alcanzó un ...

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    Ecuador Set to Receive Chinese-Built Dam Pending Arbitration Over ...
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    Maybe these last few posts should be moved to the thread I started a while back called Chinese and anti-Chinese propaganda — what's the truth?. (But despite my honest efforts to open a balanced discussion about this, the thread became quickly derailed with even more propaganda.)

    Just as a comment here, the issue with the Ecuador Coca Codo dam is NOT a big news item here, and doesn't qualify as a 'scandal'. I'd not even heard about it, and it took quite a while for me to find any news items here about it at all. (I searched for the following in Spanish. Do try it yourself. Barely anything comes up, and what does is mostly several years old.)
    La enorme central hidroeléctrica de Ecuador, Coca Codo Sinclair, se ha convertido en el centro de un importante escándalo por defectos estructurales.
    I doubt doubt the truth of the report at all, and thanks for letting me know about it! But the point here is how the issue is being used as propaganda.
    1. There are real things happening in the world, which Avalon members need and want to know about.
    2. Then there are news reports about those, many of which are laced with agendas. 'China Observer' is NOT a balanced news site.
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    Posting the following here as I believe the content is relevant to this thread.

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    Wall Street conspires against the United States of America, not China!

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    Bill, one big reason why you may not have noticed much in the Ecuadoran news about the Chinese-built dam is that quite a few Ecuadoran officials are implicated in the scandal.
    Which is most often the case with Belt and Road Initiative projects, as the CCP seems skilled at finding the most culpable officials in the countries they target for their projects, those who will take sizeable bribes to give the CCP the go-ahead for building them.
    See: https://www.watergynexus.com/2024/12...energy-crisis/
    Quote Droughts are the main cause of these blackouts, yet another factor may be exacerbating the issue: under-performing hydroelectric dams built by China’s state-owned enterprises (SOEs).

    Presently, China’s SOEs have built or currently operate eight hydropower plants in Ecuador accounting for approximately 2,500 megawatts in max production when combined – a third of Ecuador’s total energy sector. At least three of these hydroelectric sites are on rivers facing critical drought conditions.

    On the Mazar River, the Sopladora and Mazar plants are being heavily affected by El Nino. The Sopladora hydroelectrical plant, although owned by the Ecuadorian state firm Hidropaute, was constructed by China Gezhouba Group, with operations starting in 2016. The facility cost $500 million to build, with 85 percent being funded from the Export-Import Bank of China. The total capacity for the site is 487 megawatts. As of September 5, the Sopladora plant was only running at 16 percent of its total output. While drought conditions no doubt is the main culprit, additional reports suggest that Gezhouba didn’t properly train the Ecuadorian workers to maintain the plant. It has been estimated that the worker ratio of Ecuadorians to Chinese nationals is 8 to 2, with the Chinese expats having more important and, in turn, higher paying positions.

    Also under drought conditions is the Mazar-Dudas hydroelectric plant along the Pindling and Mazar river, producing 21 megawatts of power. The project was built by the China National Electric Engineering Company (CNEEC) in 2011 and construction was funded by the China Development Bank for $41.6 million. Operations started April 2015. The plant was built in a protected zone of the Dudas-Mazar forest, but it had minimal environmental impact since it is a smaller dam. Yet with the current droughts occurring, any intervention of water flow made by these dams will cause greater impacts on the hundreds of species of flora, fauna, and wildlife within the protected forest.

    The Coca River is also suffering, impacting the Coca Codo Sinclair dam, currently running at 59 percent production out of its 1500 megawatts capacity. This single plant produces 35 percent of Ecuador’s total electricity. However, the faults are not new with this facility. Proposed by the Ecuadorian government in 1976, the dam did not begin construction until 2010 when the China Export-Import Bank covered more than half of the cost with a $1.68 billion loan to the Ecuadorian government. The dam was constructed by Sinohydro, another of China’s SOEs, at a total cost of $2.6 billion.

    Throughout the course of constructing and managing the facility, Sinohydro has faced 14 civil suits and 80 labor claims. Additionally, this dam was built near an active volcano, causing more than 7,500 cracks to the structure. Yet the most notable issue is the consistent corruption linked to the Coca Codo Sinclair dam. Almost every top Ecuadorian official involved in the project’s construction has been imprisoned or sentenced on bribery charges.

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Maybe these last few posts should be moved to the thread I started a while back called Chinese and anti-Chinese propaganda — what's the truth?. (But despite my honest efforts to open a balanced discussion about this, the thread became quickly derailed with even more propaganda.)

    Just as a comment here, the issue with the Ecuador Coca Codo dam is NOT a big news item here, and doesn't qualify as a 'scandal'. I'd not even heard about it, and it took quite a while for me to find any news items here about it at all. (I searched for the following in Spanish. Do try it yourself. Barely anything comes up, and what does is mostly several years old.)
    La enorme central hidroeléctrica de Ecuador, Coca Codo Sinclair, se ha convertido en el centro de un importante escándalo por defectos estructurales.
    I doubt doubt the truth of the report at all, and thanks for letting me know about it! But the point here is how the issue is being used as propaganda.
    1. There are real things happening in the world, which Avalon members need and want to know about.
    2. Then there are news reports about those, many of which are laced with agendas. 'China Observer' is NOT a balanced news site.
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    From PM Robert Fico,

    I consider it a great mistake that the heads of state and prime ministers of the EU member states ignored today’s celebrations in China.


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    From Combate,

    At China's 80th anniversary the Great Victory parade:

    "Justice will prevail!
    Peace will prevail!
    The people will prevail!"

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    This article that Ravenlocke just posted (copied following) in the Turmoil in Ecuador thread fills in the gaps-- at least, gaps in the story of Ecuador's Chinese Communist Party-created crisis.
    Though the similar problems of other nations which have fallen into the trap of the CCP's Belt and Road Initiative are even worse in many cases.
    I've posted articles about all that, but they have largely been ignored.
    Hopefully those days are over now...

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    5 keys to the Coca Codo Sinclair hydroelectric plant

    It provides about 28% of energy to the country, but in the season of drying its production decreases and generates a deficit at the national level. That's not the only problem it causes.

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    The Coca Codo Sinclair hydroelectric plant is the largest in Ecuador. Its power is 1500 megawatts and, depending on the time of year, it generates between 28% and 30% of the energy that the country needs. This amount can supply about 5.3 million households.

    Coca Codo was one of the emblematic projects of President Rafael Correa, who ruled between 2007 and 2017. With hydroelectric plants, the government sought to transform Ecuador's energy matrix away from the thermal generation that requires fossil fuels, such as oil.

    In May 2024, the hydroelectric power plant stopped its operation due to an accumulation of sediments in the catchment area. To protect the infrastructure, the gates were closed and, to refuel the electricity service, thermoelectric plants were activated. The interruption of the operation of the Coca Codo hydroelectric power plant aggravated the energy crisis of that year in which there were blackouts of 14 hours a day in some sectors of the country.

    But it is not the first time that hydroelectric power has caused problems to the country.

    Its construction had several questions such as the modality of the contract, which was under the figure of "try-key". That is, all the necessary contracting for the work is in the hands of the contracting company, and only once the project is ready, it is delivered to the State.

    The disadvantage of these contracts is that the supervision is much more complex because "there are no such defined delivery milestones as in other contractual processes," Andrés Lozano, co-author of the Chinese Investments report, told GK, how have they affected institutionality in Ecuador?, in 2023. This, he added, makes it difficult to take "correctives at the right times."

    The lack of revisions resulted in countless cracks in the structure, which led to lawsuits against the construction company. These problems, added to the regressive erosion of the Coca River, which is getting closer to the hydroelectric plant, have caused higher costs for Ecuador, and almost ten years after its inauguration it has not been officially delivered to the State.

    We tell you 4 keys to the Coca Codo Sinclair hydroelectric plant.

    The largest hydroelectric power plant in Ecuador

    The Coca Codo Sinclair Hydroelectric Power Plant is a megaproject that began its construction in July 2010 and was inaugurated on November 18, 2016, during the government of Rafael Correa.

    Its power is 1500 megawatts, which could supply electricity to the entire city of Quito and Guayaquil, and would be left over. Ecuador's total energy demand is about 5,000 megawatts; in May 2025, according to the National Electricity Operator (Cenace), the demand reached 5,110. Coca Codo usually supplys up to 30% of that demand.

    The hydroelectric plant is in the cantons of El Chaco, province of Napo, and Gonzalo Pizarro, province of Sucumbios. "In the heart of the Ecuadorian Amazon rainforest" as Jorge Glas, then vice president of Ecuador, said at the inauguration of the project.

    Since it began operating, in April 2016, and until July 2022 (which is the last date of official information available), it had generated just over 39,000 gigawatts for the country.

    The Coca Codo Sinclair hydroelectric plant uses water from the Quijos and Salado rivers, which form the Coca River, to generate electricity. The complex is composed in this way and works like this:

    Capture work: It remparts the water from the Coca River and directs it towards the desander, where the particles are cleaned. Then, go to the driving tunnel.
    Driving tunnel: It has a length of 24.8 kilometers and carries the captured water to the compensating reservoir.
    Compensating reservoir: It is a dam that stores water during the day and releases it during the hours of highest consumption. From here it is sent to the pressure pipes.
    Pressure pipes: They are two ducts that carry the water at high speed and pressure to the engine room.
    Engine house: It has two caverns;
    Generator cave: Pressurized water moves 8 turbines that are connected to generators that produce electricity.
    Transformer Cave: The electricity is adjusted to an adequate voltage level to be sent to the national grid.
    Used water returns to the Coca River.

    The work has not been officially delivered

    Since it was conceived, the Coca Codo Sinclair hydroelectric plant was described as a national priority and part of a strategic plan of the Correa government.

    With hydroelectric plants, the President had three objectives:

    Stop buying energy from other countries such as Colombia during dry seasons - when rivers have a minimum flow due to droughts.
    Get away from the energy generated by thermoelectric plants - in December 2018, Ecuador had 204 - and switch to cleaner and renewable energy.
    Establish an alliance with China since it was built by the Chinese company Sinohydro with financing from the EximBank of that country.
    The project initially cost about $1,979 million, according to the 2009 contract. In 2023, the cost amounted to just over $2,439 million, excluding VAT.

    In 2023, when the price exceeded $2 billion, the Corporación Eléctrica del Ecuador (Celec), which operates and administers the plant, told GK that the cost overruns come from taxes, price adjustments and exchange orders included in the agreement.

    But the value could still rise.

    Until August 2025, the hydroelectric power plant has not been officially delivered to Ecuador, due to the technical, physical and legal problems it has that were analyzed by the Comptroller General of the State, since before its construction.

    The problems of hydroelectric power are part of several special examinations carried out between 2010 and 2016 by the Comptroller General of the State.

    The Comptroller's office found that, between 2010 and 2012, there were delays in delivery schedules, lack of delivery of quality control manuals, zero verification of the state of concrete and steel, disorderly handling of documentation and invoices by Sinohydro, the construction company.

    In the special examination that analyzed what happened between 2012 and 2015, the Comptroller's offeration discovered that due to delays in the first phase of the project, Ecuador lost 81 million dollars in fine that it did not charge.

    And in the 2016 report, when the hydroelectric company began its operation, they discovered that the cost of the project reached 2 billion dollars, exceeding the original contractual amount of 1,979 million.

    In 2025, the project accumulates more than 17,000 fissures, according to Celec, so it cannot operate at 100% of its capacity.

    Another impediment to the delivery of the hydroelectric power is the international arbitration process that Celec initiated in May 2021 against Sinohydro, due to the multiple failures in the construction.

    The construction has multiple fissures

    In 2014, four years after the start of construction, and after a report from the Comptroller's S office, Sinohydro hired audits to respond to the institution's observations and certify that its teams met the standards. But the audits determined that the parts for the turbines, manufactured and shipped from China, had faults.

    In addition, in another report, the Comptroller's office says that the quality control documents of these parts and others of the hydroelectric plant had been altered and "do not cly to reality."

    That year, the inspection of the auditing company detected 7,648 cracks in the eight distributors - which carry water to the turbines - that were inside the concrete walls on the inside of the plant.

    Sinohydro - which according to a 2021 Celec report remained silent about these problems for at least two years - tried to solve the cracks by welding the metal. It is assumed that by 2015, at least three distributors were arranged that way.

    In 2019, other reports from the Comptroller's office revealed that the water was piercing the steel of the distributors and that it was already wetting the concrete that covers them. The Comptroller ordered Sinohydro to replace the eight distributors and to take over the cost. But he didn't.

    The 2018, 2019 and 2021 Celec inspections concluded that there was nothing to do with some cracks, especially those that bordered directly with the concrete. And that the pieces had to be replaced.

    By 2023 there were already more than 17,000 cracks in the distributors that had not been able to be repaired and that with the operation of the hydroelectric plant continued to grow.

    But cracks are not the only problem that presents a danger to the operation of the megaproject.

    Regressive erosion, a constant threat to the project

    The regressive erosion - when the exterior of a river sticks a lot to the slope and is eating it - of the Coca River, increasingly advances upstream and puts "at risk the water intake work of the hydroelectric," according to the government.

    According to the Celec report of August 20, 2025, regressive erosion is already 3.6 kilometers from the Coca Codo capture works. If it reaches the plant, it would put its operation at risk, affect its useful life and the energy supply would be reduced.

    One of the reasons why erosion is so close to the work would be the lack of updated environmental studies before the hydroelectric power plant was built, since they ignored the problem of regressive erosion in the place - that is, on the slopes of the Coca River - according to Alfredo Carrasco, a geologist engineer, told GK in 2023.

    Erosion would be the reason why the San Rafael waterfall, located in the Cayambe-Coca National Park, disappeared on February 2, 2020.

    In the study Coca Codo Sinclair & the erosive process in the high Coca, of the Andean Rivers Observatory, of June 2021, he says that for the cause of the collapse of the San Rafael waterfall there are two hypotheses that "must be analyzed through more scientific studies."

    The first is that it was a purely natural phenomenon and that it was known that sooner or later it would happen since since the 1980s there were reports that warned of erosion.

    Carrasco told GK that there was negligence on the part of the State not to "understand this erosion process, nor to do the appropriate monitoring" or update the environmental impact studies.

    The second hypothesis is that the changes in the shape of the river and the terrain caused by the construction of the Coca Codo Sinclair capture work "could play a decisive role in the weakening and collapse of the waterfall," says the report.

    He also mentions that since the collapse of the waterfall "the erosive process has advanced at an alarming rate of approximately 8 kilometers in less than nine months." And that the number is still increasing.

    In August 2025, the government of Daniel Noboa, through the Ministry of Energy and Mines and Celec, says it is carrying out "urgent and permanent actions to protect the water capture" of Coca Codo.

    For the government, the regressive erosion of the Coca River is "a unique natural phenomenon in the world that threatens the most important generation infrastructure in the country."

    Some of the temporary actions, according to the government statement, are making large rock walls, stabilization of slopes and partial detours of the river. The permanent solutions are:

    Make an underground structure downstream of the catchment to stop erosion and protect the water intakes of the plant (it was completed in 2023)
    Build a permeable dam to widen the width of the river and reduce the strength of the water (according to the government, it has a 60% advance)
    A stepped landfill to dissipate the erosive power of water (according to the government, construction has not yet begun)
    And deviate two kilometers from the river (according to the government, it is still in the study phase)
    Face at least two legal problems

    Construction failures and problems with cracks that were increasing in size, led Celec to file a request for international arbitration against Sinohydro, the construction company, before the International Court of Arbitration of the International Chamber of Commerce in Santiago de Chile on May 17, 2021.

    In response, Sinohydro (a subsidiary of PowerChina, a construction group) proposed a 50-year concession, in which it would assume the repair of structural problems and sell the energy to the country.

    The arbitration is still ongoing.

    On July 8, 2025, Gabriela Sommerfeld, Minister of Foreign Affairs and Human Mobility, told Teleamazonas that PowerChina will take charge of the operation and maintenance of Coca Codo.

    He also said that the construction group agreed to pay 400 million dollars for construction failures. The money will arrive in the country until December 2026, according to the chancellor.

    That same day, Inés Manzano, Minister of Energy and Mines, at a press conference said that they also signed a conciliation agreement to "leave arbitration." "All that has a process. We have three legal documents prior to doing it," said the minister, without giving more details.

    But arbitration is not the only legal entanglement around Coca Codo.

    An investigation by the Prosecutor's Office called the Sinohydro case, formerly Ina Papers, investigates the crime of bribery in the construction of the Coca Codo Sinclair hydroelectric plant. According to the Prosecutor's Office, to build it, they would have given 76 million dollars in bribes - the highest amount of a bribe in the history of the country.

    Of the 25 people who are prosecuted, the most important character is Lenin Moreno, former president and vice president of Ecuador for whom, on April 19, 2023, the Prosecutor's Office asked for preventive detention. But the judge denied the measure and replaced it with periodic presentations. Since Moreno does not live in Ecuador, the Prosecutor's Office asked the justice system to notify Interpol to locate him.

    According to the Prosecutor's Office, in 2010, due to his close relationship and friendship with the then ambassador of the People's Republic of China in Ecuador, Cai Runguo, Moreno - then Vice President - managed to reach the financing agreement with the EximBank eight months after the signing of the contract, which required more guarantees than those agreed at the beginning.

    The money for the emblematic work arrived in June 2010.

    A month later, the Commercial company Recorsa, owned by Conto Patiño, a friend of Lenin Moreno and representative of Sinohydro in the country, opened an account at Banco Pichincha Panama.

    According to the Prosecutor's Office, it would be through that account that the Chinese company would have sent money, with transactions made from an account in the name of Sinohydro, of the Bank of China.

    75 and a half million dollars would have reached that account, according to the theory of the Prosecutor's Office. The remaining 500 thousand dollars would have been deposited in another account in Panama.

    The Prosecutor's Office says that Conto Patiño would have distributed the money to the other 36 people who are prosecuted in the case.

    In addition to Moreno, there is his wife, Rocío González, one of his daughters, Irina Moreno, and his brother, Edwin Moreno. Patiño's children and even one of his granddaughters, Victoria Patiño, are also part of the process.

    On March 23, 2023, former President Lenin Moreno wrote in his X account "I never had responsibility, attributions or capacity to influence strategic projects during Rafael Correa's government."

    In 2025, Moreno is still out of the country and the Sinohydro case is still in process.[/QUOTE]





    https://gk.city/2025/08/27/que-es-hi...clair-ecuador/[/QUOTE]

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    Bill, one big reason why you may not have noticed much in the Ecuadoran news about the Chinese-built dam is that quite a few Ecuadoran officials are implicated in the scandal.
    Which is most often the case with Belt and Road Initiative projects, as the CCP seems skilled at finding the most culpable officials in the countries they target for their projects, those who will take sizeable bribes to give the CCP the go-ahead for building them.
    See: https://www.watergynexus.com/2024/12...energy-crisis/
    Quote Droughts are the main cause of these blackouts, yet another factor may be exacerbating the issue: under-performing hydroelectric dams built by China’s state-owned enterprises (SOEs).

    Presently, China’s SOEs have built or currently operate eight hydropower plants in Ecuador accounting for approximately 2,500 megawatts in max production when combined – a third of Ecuador’s total energy sector. At least three of these hydroelectric sites are on rivers facing critical drought conditions.

    On the Mazar River, the Sopladora and Mazar plants are being heavily affected by El Nino. The Sopladora hydroelectrical plant, although owned by the Ecuadorian state firm Hidropaute, was constructed by China Gezhouba Group, with operations starting in 2016. The facility cost $500 million to build, with 85 percent being funded from the Export-Import Bank of China. The total capacity for the site is 487 megawatts. As of September 5, the Sopladora plant was only running at 16 percent of its total output. While drought conditions no doubt is the main culprit, additional reports suggest that Gezhouba didn’t properly train the Ecuadorian workers to maintain the plant. It has been estimated that the worker ratio of Ecuadorians to Chinese nationals is 8 to 2, with the Chinese expats having more important and, in turn, higher paying positions.

    Also under drought conditions is the Mazar-Dudas hydroelectric plant along the Pindling and Mazar river, producing 21 megawatts of power. The project was built by the China National Electric Engineering Company (CNEEC) in 2011 and construction was funded by the China Development Bank for $41.6 million. Operations started April 2015. The plant was built in a protected zone of the Dudas-Mazar forest, but it had minimal environmental impact since it is a smaller dam. Yet with the current droughts occurring, any intervention of water flow made by these dams will cause greater impacts on the hundreds of species of flora, fauna, and wildlife within the protected forest.

    The Coca River is also suffering, impacting the Coca Codo Sinclair dam, currently running at 59 percent production out of its 1500 megawatts capacity. This single plant produces 35 percent of Ecuador’s total electricity. However, the faults are not new with this facility. Proposed by the Ecuadorian government in 1976, the dam did not begin construction until 2010 when the China Export-Import Bank covered more than half of the cost with a $1.68 billion loan to the Ecuadorian government. The dam was constructed by Sinohydro, another of China’s SOEs, at a total cost of $2.6 billion.

    Throughout the course of constructing and managing the facility, Sinohydro has faced 14 civil suits and 80 labor claims. Additionally, this dam was built near an active volcano, causing more than 7,500 cracks to the structure. Yet the most notable issue is the consistent corruption linked to the Coca Codo Sinclair dam. Almost every top Ecuadorian official involved in the project’s construction has been imprisoned or sentenced on bribery charges.

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    Maybe these last few posts should be moved to the thread I started a while back called Chinese and anti-Chinese propaganda — what's the truth?. (But despite my honest efforts to open a balanced discussion about this, the thread became quickly derailed with even more propaganda.)

    Just as a comment here, the issue with the Ecuador Coca Codo dam is NOT a big news item here, and doesn't qualify as a 'scandal'. I'd not even heard about it, and it took quite a while for me to find any news items here about it at all. (I searched for the following in Spanish. Do try it yourself. Barely anything comes up, and what does is mostly several years old.)
    La enorme central hidroeléctrica de Ecuador, Coca Codo Sinclair, se ha convertido en el centro de un importante escándalo por defectos estructurales.
    I doubt doubt the truth of the report at all, and thanks for letting me know about it! But the point here is how the issue is being used as propaganda.
    1. There are real things happening in the world, which Avalon members need and want to know about.
    2. Then there are news reports about those, many of which are laced with agendas. 'China Observer' is NOT a balanced news site.
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    The CCP uses many surreptitious tactics to intervene, subvert and destabilize; more than overt ones as they can't afford to get into many military actions since "saving face" is paramount in importance.
    Their guns, ships, planes etc. are too likely to malfunction due to the shortcuts that are constantly taken in constructing them, and due to their ineptitude often even in accurately copying those inventions they attempt to steal from other countries.
    They imitate previous Communist regimes by investing vast sums of resources into propaganda with which they hope to brainwash their own people and deceive the rest of the world which they apparently consider to be safer than taking action.
    I don't think you would find much agreement in labeling the two men who create "The China Show" every week as not being "genuinely well-motivated".
    Both spent over a decade working and travelling in China, and retain many connections with Chinese people (including family connections as they both married Chinese women) who keep them well informed as to what is going on inside the borders of China.
    The topics they cover are serious but they do their best to keep the mood light, which might otherwise become too disturbing.
    There are plenty of other news sources focusing on China which are intent on uncovering the most disturbing news, with no efforts to lighten the darkness.
    But I think in most cases, the motivation is to enlighten, not to deceive.
    The darkness emanates from the CCP, ...not the journalists.
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    I agree that most reporting in the Western mass media on China is hostile propaganda, intended to cover for Western intervention, subversion and destabilization, and potential military action.

    Given the vast size, population, wealth and power of China; it is remarkable how little of a problem they are at an international level, compared with... some other nations.

    China aren't for instance, always provoking and escalating wars all over the place; and continually trying to force other nations into their wars; or systematically destroying nations and their populations in wars - and they aren't continually flooding the world with evil ideological propaganda.

    Instead, they provide most of the material stuff that Western people want (for what that's worth).

    To continually be harping against China in public, and trying to recruit others to the cause; is not something I would expect to find in a genuinely well-motivated person.
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    Proof of how effective the propaganda from the CCP is that even on this forum, China is rarely viewed with suspicion.
    (No matter how many posts I've made demonstrating their criminal intent, both to the world and to their own people.)

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    But wait! Didn't Trump just say that the USA's terrible drug crisis was mainly the result of drug trafficking from Venezuela, and for this reason USA should invade Venezuela?
    Gosh, some script writers really need to get their stories better put together.
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    A 30 year old quote from William Milton Cooper (Bill Cooper)

    MP3 - 4 minutes
    1995 01 03 - Bill Cooper - It's time to be Americans
    https://app.box.com/s/8z4s5gkfivvxhk422eqw9jhcvs1t0ndx

    Here we are 30 years later and it's still hardly sinking in.

    China, or some element of it, is working WITH Venezuela under the same overlords.

    A lot of Chinese chemicals are dropped off in Venezuela for processing and value adding on route to killing tens of thousands of Americans a year.

    Trump's war is against the overlords, the real and ultimate enemy that has to be defeated or America will not be free. Nation statehood is not only a very blunt lingual and though instrument it's hardly relevant at all. The enemy doesn't think or operate by nation state hood, other than to throw rocks in the path of it's pursuers.
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    How China plans to rule the world in AI

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    How China plans to rule the world in AI



    In 2017, while speaking to some students about the dangers of any country monopolizing developments in artificial intelligence (AI), Russia’s President Vladimir Putin declared that “whoever becomes the leader in this sphere will rule the world.” This seems to be true in our current geopolitical context, as the United States and China have shifted their attention to AI as the new battlefront in the Great Power Competition. This is evident from the increased level of AI initiatives, policies, and activities the two countries have engaged in recently. While the actions of the US on AI (along with the European Union’s – notably the EU AI Act, the world’s first comprehensive law on AI) have been the staple of everyday media coverage, China’s AI approaches have not been sufficiently highlighted, except in dense academic analyses that are often not readily accessible by the layperson or in biased coverage that does not do justice to the factual content of China’s strategies. Therefore, sticking only to what’s contained in China’s documents on AI and providing some context where needed, this article will in a simple layout detail China’s approach to influencing AI governance and development on a global level. It will provide insights into how China intends to leverage AI in its bid for global influence. Hopefully, this can help inform the broader public discourse on global AI governance and serve as a guide for researchers and policymakers working on international developments in AI.

    The following is a summary of the ways China plans to rule the world in AI. These were derived from a review of China’s top AI policy documents and a relevant analysis, focusing on explicit expressions of China’s strategy for influencing AI governance globally and its approaches to dominate AI developments at an international level.

    Recognition of AI as a strategic technology for competing at a global level: China sees and frames AI as a strategic technology for elevating its status among the most innovatively competitive nations of the world, in addition to AI having national security implications. The People’s Republic of China (PRC) in the New Generation Artificial Intelligence Development Plan (NGAIDP) of 2017 observed the increasing complexity that China faces in national security and international competition in a rapidly emerging world and determined that “[China] must, looking at the world, take the development of AI to the national strategic level with systemic layout, take the initiative in planning, firmly seize the strategic initiative in the new stage of international competition in AI development.” to create new competitive advantage, opening up the development of new space, and effectively protecting national security.” China seems to have recognized the transformational impacts of AI systems across societies and economies and is seeking to position itself strategically. The PRC seeks to become a ‘global science and technology power,’ by having a centrally planned approach to AI aimed at creating competitive advantages in new spaces while also using AI for protecting its national security interests.

    Awareness of strengths and weaknesses: In its bid to leverage AI for global competitiveness, China looks to consolidate its areas of strength. The NGAIDP noted: “As a result of many years of continuous accumulation, China has achieved important progress in the field of AI, with the number of international scientific and technology papers published and the number of inventions patented ranked second in the world, while achieving important breakthroughs in certain domains of core crucial technologies.” The PRC went on to list other areas of China’s technological leadership and accomplishments, such as voice recognition, visual recognition, industrial and service robots, intelligent monitoring, and biometric identification. However, China seems clear-eyed about its abilities; it acknowledges the areas in which it must improve. The PRC observed that despite China’s achievements in the areas listed, there is still a gap between China’s ‘overall level of development of AI’ in comparison to other developed countries, specifically concerned about achieving major original results in areas such as basic theory, core algorithms, key equipment, high-end chips, and more. China looks to address these and other areas through urgently improving basic infrastructure, policies, regulations, and standards systems.

    Monitor global trends in AI development and seize opportunities: In achieving its AI plans, China is not risking being haphazard in its approach, throwing its resources at everything and everywhere. Instead, the PRC looks to be opportunistic and utilizing-maximizing. According to the NGAIDP, China will “accurately grasp the global development trends of AI, find the correct openings for breakthroughs and directions for the main thrust.” The PRC plans to monitor global AI developments through studies that evaluate general trends and R&D efforts that proactively explore key frontier domains in AI development. By capitalizing on opportunities revealed in crucial areas by trendwatching, China hopes to lead the world by setting the trend itself.

    Obtain a first-mover advantage: A recurring word in China’s AI policy documents is ‘first-mover advantage.’ This is indicative of the PRC’s intent to drive novel discovery and application of AI systems. To realize this, the Ministry of Education released the Artificial Intelligence Action Plan for Institutions of Higher Education (Action Plan) in 2018. The Action Plan stated the following as one of its purposes: “that China can gain a first-mover advantage in the development of artificial intelligence.” The implication of this is that China preconceives that certain benefits of AI will only accrue to first-movers and it works towards realizing these.

    Deliberate resource allocation: Money, they say, makes the world go round. AI is no exception and China understands this. The NGAIDP notes that China will “fully use existing finances, bases and other such stored resources, comprehensively plan the allocation of international and domestic innovation resources.” The PRC intends to allow inputs from its financial administration experts to inform its use of policy incentives, aiming at achieving the most optimal allocations of its resources for pursuing innovation on a global scale. Therefore, to realize its vision of being a global science and technology power, China is prioritizing a conscientious allocation of its financial and other resources in its domestic and international policies.

    Achieve theoretical and technological breakthroughs in AI: During budget cuts in many countries, funding for basic science is usually an area that is negatively impacted because the returns are often not immediately apparent or readily applicable. However, China has identified this area as a critical area that will inform its capacity to develop world-leading AI systems and drive its economic ascent to global power. The NGAIDP states that “By 2025, China will achieve major breakthroughs in basic theories for AI, such that some technologies and applications achieve a world-leading level and AI becomes the main driving force for China’s industrial upgrading and economic transformation.” The Action Plan also expresses China’s ambition to move the field of new-generation AI forward, stating that it will “make a number of original achievements of international significance” and “demonstrate a world-class level in some theoretical research, innovative technology, and application.” By achieving groundbreaking progress in new-generation AI theory and technology systems, China hopes to contribute to AI applications in fields like intelligent manufacturing, intelligent medicine, and national defense construction, all of which it expects will greatly expand and strengthen its economy. And the results are already starting to come in. As of 2020, China leads the world in the number of AI publications, and as of 2022, China has filed the highest number of AI patents. These results are also aided by China’s expanding domestic market and AI-promoting privacy-weak regulations.

    Entering global markets and fostering globalization: China hopes that the cumulative effects of its theoretical and technological breakthroughs in AI will be increased influence in global markets. The NGAIDP predicted that China will achieve ‘world-leading levels’ in AI theories, technologies, and applications by 2030, making it the ‘world’s primary AI innovation center.’ The PRC hopes that producing tangible results from the application of AI in intelligent economy and society arrangements will build a solid foundation to catapult it to a position of economic power among innovative nations in global markets. In addition to this, China is determined to actively support its domestic AI enterprises and brands to attain a global leading status and facilitate international cooperation with top foreign AI enterprises and research institutes. The “Internet+” Artificial Intelligence Three-Year Action and Implementation Plan (Internet+ Plan) detailed China’s plan to “encourage cooperation with relevant countries to strengthen the R&D and application of AI technology, integrate domestic and foreign innovation resources, and enhance the innovation capabilities and international competitiveness of the AI industry. We will support relevant industry associations, industry alliances, and business service organizations as they build service platforms and provide international cooperation and overseas innovation services for innovative companies in the AI field.” Finally, China hopes to expand its influence on AI developments internationally by partnering with fellow member countries within BRICS as well as through its ‘One Belt, One Road’ initiative – a foreign policy strategy to increase its global footprints through financing infrastructural, trade, and investment projects around the world – while also obtaining foreign AI investments in research and development.

    Investment in talent pipeline and education: Talent is a critical element and resource for AI developments and China recognizes this in its plan for global influence in AI. This is especially important given China’s increasing brain drain of scientific and technological talents, many of whom are leaving the country because of undemocratic political and social conditions. The NGAIDP details how China seeks to address what it considers a strategic weakness in its AI plans. By prioritizing the ‘construction of a high-end talent team’ the PRC seeks to build a talent base both by improving its AI education system and by hunting for the ‘world’s top talent and young talent.’ It looks to achieve this through establishing personnel training centers, research collaborations with the world’s top AI research institutions, getting technical advice from international top AI talents, support for academic exchange overseas and technical exchanges, and using talent plans such as the “Thousand Talents” plan. The Action Plan notes that “By 2030, colleges and universities will become the main force behind building the world’s main AI innovation centers and will lead the development of a new generation AI talent pool to provide China with the scientific and technological support and guaranteed talent to put it at the forefront of innovation-oriented countries.” In light of this, institutions of higher education are encouraged to adapt their curricula to be responsive to cutting-edge developments in global science and technology, create additional AI-related majors that address industrial demand nationally and regionally, cross-integrate professional education for AI with other disciplines, and create world-class teaching materials.

    Influence global standards and governance: China is no longer content to take directions and follow the rules on AI made by its Western counterparts. Instead, it now longs to be actively involved in participating and even leading the formulation of international standards on AI. The PRC noted in the NGAIDP that it will take a more active part in the global governance of AI. China looks to focus on studying major problems common to the international community, such as robot alienation and safety supervision, and improve its collaboration with other countries to develop AI laws, regulations, and international rules to “jointly cope with global challenges.” The PRC hopes to support its homegrown AI enterprises to participate or lead in the development of technical standards internationally, even as they promote their AI products and services overseas. The Action Plan also documents the role of China’s education plan in influencing international standards and regulations. By encouraging and supporting Chinese scholars to occupy influential positions in international academic organizations and actively take part in drafting international AI regulations, the PRC believes it can influence many international AI spaces with Chinese initiatives and standards. Finally, the Internet+ Plan expressed China’s plan to support its relevant departments, research institutions, standardization organizations, industry organizations, and enterprises to be actively involved in setting international AI standards, working with the International Organization for Standardization (ISO) among others, to put in place mechanisms for standards exchange and cooperation. The PRC did not mince words about its intent for doing all these: “We will promote the export of Chinese AI standards to the wider world and continuously enhance our international clout.” Obviously, China is fully out to rewrite the rules.

    Understanding China’s game plan can help other actors in AI developments and governance generally prepare and respond adequately. It is imperative that the world keeps an eye on China seeing that it is very motivated to lead in the new era of Artificial Intelligence and whatever China does can affect us all.

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    Whitney Webb provides the best perspective on what has gone before. What is yet to come is up for debate, but at least we can probably agree that the overlords' schemes are becoming more transparent...
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    But is Trump's war against the overlords, . . . .
    Your proposition would have to pre-suppose that the overlords have done with the sub-cartels and are ready to throw them all under the train.
    That's a 50/50 call, in my own schema, for now, but I'm open to being educated and better informed.
    Does she ever delve into the 5th generation warfare 'elephant in the room' ?

    e.g. has she ever interviewed Boone Cutler or otherwise incorporated the topic into her intellectual furnace.


    In 2023, Courteney Turner interviewed (talked over and interrupted too) Boone Cutler [co author with General Flynn of 2 books about 5th gen warfare]. I've just been re listening to it and my general level of optimism lifted a few notches.by seeing the situation we are in through those eyes. It seems much more winnable that way. Tec' is just Tec', it's the mind control that makes it so dangerous (and evil).

    Courteney, for me, is similarly frustrating and tedious to listen to as Whitney is but Boone cuts through it quite well and delivers an adequate comprehension of the situation in a way that we can really get our teeth into and deal with it at all levels, not just hanging around for celebrities to do stuff or bluff stuff or spin more shiny head glitter.


    Courtenay Turner - 309 - Boone Cutler - A.I & 5th Generation Warfare
    1 hour 10 minutes - Sep 19, 2023

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    In this episode, Courtenay invites author, radio talk show personality, and combat war veteran, Boone Cutler, to the show to discuss his latest book The Citizen’s Guide to Fifth Generation Warfare. If you’ve been following the U.N. 100 and fear the A.I. takeover agenda, this episode is a must-listen. Boone breaks down 5th generation warfare tactics that target psychological programming. Through tech-initiated stages of polarization, as well as its goal to attack critical thinking and humanity as a whole, it seems like a hopeless war. But it’s not all doom and gloom! Boone shares how we can disarm Big Tech and instead use it to our advantage.

    Episode Resources:

    Propaganda by Edward Bernays

    https://www.amazon.com/Propaganda-Ed.../dp/0970312598



    The Citizen’s Guide to Fifth Generation Warfare by Boone Cutler & Lt. General Michael Flynn

    https://www.amazon.com/Citizens-Guid.../dp/B0BN79NWZF

    Connect with Boone:

    Website:

    http://www.boonecutler.com
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    Dark Coverups are Exposed
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    Brutal Mayhem in China as Dark Coverups are Exposed - #280
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    "Something is very wrong in China as multiple poisonings strike schools, the economy tanks, and sheer vehicular chaos takes over the streets. Also, so much more."



    (Starting at 1 hour 25 minutes into the video, Matt & Winston focus on CCP propaganda, why it's so dangerous, and wonder aloud as to why more people are not aware of what a threat the CCP has become, especially to the US. )
    Lots more coverups discussed in this episode as well.
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