The simple facts and fictions about Israel and Zionism: How to debunk blatantly false Zionist propaganda

[Rizotto]

I have by now become quite familiar with zionist propaganda, and how they try to disseminate their ideology. There are a lot of diversion tactics involved.

For example, when the topic of gross violations of Palestinian rights comes up, and the numerous crimes that zionists commit against Palestinians are discussed, they change the topic of discussion to something else. October 7 has been one such pretext to distract the world from addressing the fact that the conflict was started by zionists themselves in 1948 with many terrorist attacks against Palestinians.

Another example, is zionists proposing that Palestinians just turn the other cheek and 'make peace', as some have suggested above, all the while they continue to displace Palestinians, murder Palestinians, kidnap and torture Palestinians.

Please be honest, if a group of gansgters came to your door to evict you and steal everything you have, would you just 'make peace'? (Actually, I expect no honest answer from zionists, only more deflection. Trickery is their one and only mindset, it seems.)

Zionists have even managed to get many countries around the world to declare that certain Palestinian resistance groups as terrorists, while it is zionist Israel that has committed the grossest terrorist crimes against Palestinians for 70 years. The level of zionist infiltration and twisted psyops seems to have no bounds. And indeed it is the greatest danger spreading around the world.

Larry Johnson: Mossad Cooperation Alleged in Venezuela

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=47McBjptlck

[Rizotto]

X is doing major censorship of any anti-Israel commentary.

The following title should be modified to "PROOF X Protects ONLY zionists & Israelis From “Hate Speech”!
In reality there are many Jews who are anti-Israel, and they get censored too.

PROOF X Protects ONLY Jews & Israelis From “Hate Speech”!

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=eGM5yDeG2wQ

[shaberon]

Posted by Rizotto (here)
Zionists have even managed to get many countries around the world to declare that certain Palestinian resistance groups as terrorists, while it is zionist Israel that has committed the grossest terrorist crimes against Palestinians for 70 years.

Extremism was both illegal under Israeli law, and, the Israeli extremists were designated as "terrorists" by the United States.

That was scrubbed around 2004.

The United States did not ask my permission to un-designate those terrorists.

Let's see...I bet that was a normal reaction...there were some incidents and trials, which made noise publicly, and so the obvious reaction was to ban the stuff.

Thirty years later by stealth it's gone. Poof!

I was not aware of that, was anyone aware that Zionist extremism was legalized around 2004?

[Rizotto]

Who else is aware that there is a constant push coming from zionists to portray muslims as a great threat to the west?

Tucker Carlson: 'Hate the Muslims' is Israeli government psyop.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/zvdeI7Cf6cw

[Kryztian]

Posted by Rizotto (here)
Who else is aware that there is a constant push coming from zionists to portray muslims as a great threat to the west?

Tucker Carlson: 'Hate the Muslims' is Israeli government psyop.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/zvdeI7Cf6cw

Part of the psyop is to make you assume that the Palestinians are just Muslim when in fact they are also Christians, Druze, Circassians, Bahais and Jews - yes, there are Jewish Palestinians and many of them identify more with their Arabic speaking counterparts than with their fellow Jews who have invaded the nation from Europe and other places.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Rizotto (here)
Who else is aware that there is a constant push coming from zionists to portray muslims as a great threat to the west?

I am.

That's why I've not invested any of my energy visiting Mike's new thread titled The Muslim Problem.

Here's why: Social media discussion rarely changes anyone's minds.

[shaberon]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Rizotto (here)
Who else is aware that there is a constant push coming from zionists to portray muslims as a great threat to the west?

I am.

That's why I've not invested any of my energy visiting Mike's new thread titled The Muslim Problem.

Here's why: Social media discussion rarely changes anyone's minds.

To summarize what you missed, that thread started quite shortly after I found the original from St-Yves, which he dismissed as nonsense, but was willing to admit, if those are the terms, he is a fascist.


The whole point is that it was the first known time that this exact doctrine was uttered:


Judeo-Christianity = the belief that the superior European Jews and Christians must kick the inferior Muslims out of Palestine.


It's an invented word that has that exact meaning. It certainly doesn't come from the Gospels.

The point made in that thread is that "Muslims" are going to penetrate the borders and destroy us. It's a worn-out, McCarthy-era canard, a re-cycling, like Trump using old Spanish slang as if it were a real militia. It's the same "threat" mentality that keeps the whole Cold War and Zionist processes alive. This is what Iranians call "not a resolvable political difference, but a non-negotiable clash of world views".

The main thing to keep in mind is there can't be a One World Government without a one world currency, and as you know it is mainly "communists" who formed an alternate system that maintains sovereign currency. So that idea is dead in the water.

Zionism is a political movement that happens to have Jewish participants. It's staunchly American, that is, a view held by self-professed Christians.

I actually have an Islamic candidate in my home district this year. She lost previously 37 - 44 but the incumbent took some AIPAC and so this race could go a little differently.

Where I am now is far more twisted, but I might be able to pull something off that will change everything forever. It wouldn't be limited to or specifically about this, but Zionism would come under the rubric "a reversal of foreign policy". Rather than arguing points in a debate that can't be won, we'll overwhelm it.

We've just been given a really easy way to do it.

If I were to express myself in terms of this thread, the way American politics works, is that I have just been gerrymandered by Zionists, which means if we do nothing, we will have Zionists permanently sitting in office unopposed. They don't have to do anything. They will sit in power forever and America will keep doing what it does.

On the other hand, if we do something, they will fall. All I need to do is knock them down to something like a 30% minority, and they will be inert. This is realistic and can be pursued through the normal channels without any need to get excited about anything. It's like running a vacuum cleaner.

[thirtythree]

Posted by Rizotto (here)
Who else is aware that there is a constant push coming from zionists to portray muslims as a great threat to the west?

Tucker Carlson: 'Hate the Muslims' is Israeli government psyop.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/zvdeI7Cf6cw

Yes.

And some seemingly clued-up folk here at avalon also keep falling for these tropes.

Btw, a happy new year to all. Been away last few months and so much has gone down.

[rgray222]

Posted by shaberon (here)

Posted by rgray222 (here)
...true peace requires ending violence and addressing the root causes of conflict. Anything less than this would not constitute authentic or lasting peace.

I have no qualms with that.

Here's the corollary:

Have you ever saved anyone?

In other words, if you were there, would you have stopped the commission of the crime you speak of?

I get the sense this is why we reach different conclusions from a similar point of view. Acquiescence does not stop Fascists from building up guns and bombs and doing whatever they want. The trouble with peace is it has no enforcement. One would have to assume everyone will voluntarily submit to this splendid idea. They don't. And that gets us living in a war machine which produces never-ending carnage.

It just committed over forty extra-judicial murders in another area while supporting the Zionist cause. Why would one not be disassembling the machine, as of some seventy years ago?

Aquience is your word, not mine. True peace requires active effort to eliminate violence and injustice, and passivity is insufficient. People must take personal responsibility and action to challenge and dismantle destructive systems and not accept them as "the way it has always been'" Those destructive systems cannot be the whim of ideological thought.

The peace process has been deliberately and fundamentally broken. Under the current system, peace has no chance of surviving. The way we have been led to think about peace, speak and view peace is structurally flawed. The only guarantee under the current mechanism that the world persues peace is that war will flourish. Most violence, whether personal, corporate, or governmental, is driven by the pursuit of money and power. If you think that it is only fascist building up bombs and weapons, you have seriously misjudged how the world works. Despite being caught in a cycle of endless wars, many have been misled into believing that the peace process is noble. In reality, it is overshadowed by power struggles, greed, and ideological distortions. The persistence of never-ending wars is a stark reminder that the current peace process is broken beyond repair.

Martin Luther King Jr. is often remembered as a martyr for racial inequality. However, the truth is that he was assassinated in 1968, four years after the Civil Rights Act was passed. He was killed because he was on the verge of demonstrating that nonviolence is a way to prevent conflicts and wars. He was demonstrating to the world that nonviolence could be a way to conduct our everyday lives. Peace is not good for business, not good for those seeking power, and not good for political interests. War is an important component of the peace process. Nonviolence, therefore, is not beneficial to war, to power, or to business. It challenges the very foundations of these pursuits and highlights the urgent need for a different approach.

People often mistake peace and fairness for justice, but they fail to understand that while peace and fairness are related to justice, they are not the same. Justice and sovereignty are natural, inherent principles that are often distorted or violated by legal systems and government authority. Justice advocates for understanding law as rooted in natural rights and spiritual truths rather than man-made statutes, emphasizing the importance of personal sovereignty and the limitations of legal protections.

While we should not sacrifice justice for peace, we must recogize peace as something that transcends humanity.

Hope your understand what I mean, didn't have the time condense this into a more understandable form

[Rizotto]

How Israel is using bots to spread its zionist message on social media and public forums:

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid...77403474395608

I've seen these bots in action on Canadian social media sites. They've so completely overtaken sites that they don't have any meaningful or true Canadian content anymore.

[shaberon]

Posted by rgray222 (here)
Martin Luther King Jr. is often remembered as a martyr for racial inequality. However, the truth is that he was assassinated in 1968, four years after the Civil Rights Act was passed. He was killed because he was on the verge of demonstrating that nonviolence is a way to prevent conflicts and wars. He was demonstrating to the world that nonviolence could be a way to conduct our everyday lives.

MLK was a Zionist.

Yes of course his motivations were benign and he was very intelligent, nevertheless, he for some reason agreed with words with deadly consequences.

By Fascism, I do not mean the specific governments of Mussolini, those directly patterned after it, or ideology directly drawn from those themes. A better example would be:


The Republican Party


rather than, necessarily, the United States as a country, especially were it to achieve a "third party".

As a person who has never been involved with protests, so far it looks like they have not prevented a single thing, sort of like the DHS has never uncovered an example of foreign terrorists making a bomb laboratory.

Right now, Zionism will probably become the main point of contention in this country, which will result in the upending of all Republicans because it works like a hive mind, and, to the detriment of many officials called Democrats who share the value. It's going to get harder and harder because its firm adherents are going to die and almost all young people who cannot even vote yet know what time it is and they will not refresh the superstition.

I'd rather not post in that Fascist thread because I don't want a Fascist title to keep popping up as something that looks like the direction of this website. Anyone can pick through it and see why I, at least, find it a non-existent argument, that is, a regurgitated old one with a few vocabulary tweaks. I find it irking that the OP refuses to accept anything that happened before today's news, and to dumb us down by forcing everything into categories and labels. We've reached a point where it is too shallow to be worth dealing with; you get nothing from trying to wrangle with anyone who has such tightly-held beliefs.

The proposition is true to the extent of revealing two very different halves, which does not make our half what he says it is.

It does make his half what I say it is.

Here, this is the same struggle that has been going on since we were British colonies. We have covered how it paralleled a new political Zionism through the work of Rev. Blackstone up to a rubber stamp President. The people who are still struggling do not want this as a national platform. No matter how much spam there is in Canada, in America there is a way to axe this at the Federal level. Handled appropriately, we can run it through the normal channels with little disruption. In the meantime, ordinary Americans are beginning to live in fear of ICE and are suffering its consequences. Unless it is dropped, it will be resisted.

[rgray222]

Posted by shaberon (here)

Posted by rgray222 (here)
Martin Luther King Jr. is often remembered as a martyr for racial inequality. However, the truth is that he was assassinated in 1968, four years after the Civil Rights Act was passed. He was killed because he was on the verge of demonstrating that nonviolence is a way to prevent conflicts and wars. He was demonstrating to the world that nonviolence could be a way to conduct our everyday lives.

MLK was a Zionist.

Please tell me what you mean specifically when you say MLK was a zionist. Do you mean MLK supported Zionism, the movement for the establishment of a Jewish homeland in Israel, or something more nefarious? What words had deadly consequences? These are not gottcha question, I sincerely would like to know what you mean.

Let me see if I can decipher exactly what you're saying. Tell me if I am right so I can move the discussion forward.

You dislike, probably hate, Donald Trump; you think he is the true fascist.
You probably have grown to dislike, probably hate the Republican party because you view that they are in lockstep with Trump.

Please don't take offense of my comment but I think this is one of the biggest pieces of wishful thinking that I have seen for a long time.

Right now, Zionism will probably become the main point of contention in this country, which will result in the upending of all Republicans because it works like a hive mind, and, to the detriment of many officials called Democrats who share the value. It's going to get harder and harder because its firm adherents are going to die and almost all young people who cannot even vote yet know what time it is and they will not refresh the superstition.

Your comment is somewhat abstract, and it appears that you are blending your thoughts on U.S. politics, your worldview regarding Zionism, and elements of fascism together, making it challenging to fully understand and respond coherently. I believe that globalist efforts to undermine Donald Trump have been highly effective, and as a result, we can expect quite a bit of insanity and emotional drama leading up to the 2026 elections in November. Would not surprise me if there were another attempt on Trump's life.

[Rizotto]

@rgray222, it's not clear why you are raising the issue of Trump on this thread. Do you mean to say that Trump is a zionist, and doing zionist propaganda?
Is Trump covering up the Epstein files because they contain evidence that Epstein trafficked american kids to blackmail powerful men to do zionist Israel's bidding?

While we're at it, here's the latest internet meme, author unknown:
"Let's rename Greenland "Epstein Island" so that Trump never talks about it anymore."

[Tintin]

I don't intend in any way here to disrupt the flow, where there has been much interesting discussion, but, I'd not heard of the Andinia Plan as it appears to relate to Zionist occupation of South America, a kind of Pax Judaica in other words. That's a new one on me and could help to explain why a foothold in Venezuela may be a first step. Milei in Argentina is openly Zionist, as we know: whither the fires? Shades of Crassus. This snippet may provide more clues:

[Tintin]

Rav David Touitou from November 2013, on prophecy fulfilment and the role of "Islam..(as)...the Broom of Israel." A short segment, and not necessarily new to us here, however it can qualify as a Zionist (not Jewish) matter of convenience: of faith infiltration.

There is an unhealthy Messianic obsession here as well, and it doesn't bode well for the world, certainly not in this hemisphere at least.

[Vicus]

Posted by Tintin (here)
I don't intend in any way here to disrupt the flow, where there has been much interesting discussion, but, I'd not heard of the Andinia Plan as it appears to relate to Zionist occupation of South America, a kind of Pax Judaica in other words. That's a new one on me and could help to explain why a foothold in Venezuela may be a first step. Milei in Argentina is openly Zionist, as we know: whither the fires? Shades of Crassus. This snippet may provide more clues:

Watch this:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1698081

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1698083

[Tintin]

Posted by Vicus (here)

Watch this:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1698081

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1698083

Well, well, well, and thanks very much for the links

This of course will also lend more weight to the Hitler 'theories' and Argentina - clearly he was a Zionist asset. (As we know, Ukraine, or more specifically Novorossiya, has long been sought after as a home - or the home - for the New Heavenly Jerusalem, hence this peculiar obsession with the place amongst a certain elite clique.)

[shaberon]

Posted by rgray222 (here)
Please tell me what you mean specifically when you say MLK was a zionist. Do you mean MLK supported Zionism, the movement for the establishment of a Jewish homeland in Israel, or something more nefarious? What words had deadly consequences?

He at least spoke favorably of it. I doubt that he "supported" it by channeling funds, etc.; but generally speaking, Civil Rights in the U. S. is pretty well mixed with Jews saying "hey, we have something in common" and so those discussions sort of merged into one. What's good for the Jews is good for blacks, women, Native Americans, or any minority, which are all probably fair ideas, minus the fact that Zion is a violent and militarized land grab.

You dislike, probably hate, Donald Trump; you think he is the true fascist.
You probably have grown to dislike, probably hate the Republican party because you view that they are in lockstep with Trump.

Please don't take offense of my comment but I think this is one of the biggest pieces of wishful thinking that I have seen for a long time.

Right now, Zionism will probably become the main point of contention in this country, which will result in the upending of all Republicans because it works like a hive mind, and, to the detriment of many officials called Democrats who share the value. It's going to get harder and harder because its firm adherents are going to die and almost all young people who cannot even vote yet know what time it is and they will not refresh the superstition.

Your comment is somewhat abstract, and it appears that you are blending your thoughts on U.S. politics, your worldview regarding Zionism, and elements of fascism together, making it challenging to fully understand and respond coherently. I believe that globalist efforts to undermine Donald Trump have been highly effective, and as a result, we can expect quite a bit of insanity and emotional drama leading up to the 2026 elections in November. Would not surprise me if there were another attempt on Trump's life.

I didn't make any of that up.

It's the language of political opposition of the moment, whether from protestors or relatively calm commentators. Did you miss yesterday? You did not see 1,000 opposition marches? This idea is all around you in every state. It's real. It's not "globalists". It's my neighbors. Millions of them are saying it independently. There are several issues about the administration or party; Zionism remains paramount among them.

I don't "view" the party as working in a solid unit, just look at the voting record. Speaks for itself.

I know for a fact that populist efforts to undermine the administration have just been shredded by gerrymandering laws that are essentially un-Constitutional, which will take years, probably another census, to peel away.

American people who do not blindly agree with dictation are the relevant and determining factor here. They're not going to take time to "debunk" it, as per the implication of this thread, but recognize that if it speaks at all, it is propaganda for militarism.

[rgray222]

Posted by shaberon (here)

Posted by rgray222 (here)
Please tell me what you mean specifically when you say MLK was a zionist. Do you mean MLK supported Zionism, the movement for the establishment of a Jewish homeland in Israel, or something more nefarious? What words had deadly consequences?

He at least spoke favorably of it. I doubt that he "supported" it by channeling funds, etc.; but generally speaking, Civil Rights in the U. S. is pretty well mixed with Jews saying "hey, we have something in common" and so those discussions sort of merged into one. What's good for the Jews is good for blacks, women, Native Americans, or any minority, which are all probably fair ideas, minus the fact that Zion is a violent and militarized land grab.

You dislike, probably hate, Donald Trump; you think he is the true fascist.
You probably have grown to dislike, probably hate the Republican party because you view that they are in lockstep with Trump.

Please don't take offense of my comment but I think this is one of the biggest pieces of wishful thinking that I have seen for a long time.

Right now, Zionism will probably become the main point of contention in this country, which will result in the upending of all Republicans because it works like a hive mind, and, to the detriment of many officials called Democrats who share the value. It's going to get harder and harder because its firm adherents are going to die and almost all young people who cannot even vote yet know what time it is and they will not refresh the superstition.

Your comment is somewhat abstract, and it appears that you are blending your thoughts on U.S. politics, your worldview regarding Zionism, and elements of fascism together, making it challenging to fully understand and respond coherently. I believe that globalist efforts to undermine Donald Trump have been highly effective, and as a result, we can expect quite a bit of insanity and emotional drama leading up to the 2026 elections in November. Would not surprise me if there were another attempt on Trump's life.

I didn't make any of that up.

It's the language of political opposition of the moment, whether from protestors or relatively calm commentators. Did you miss yesterday? You did not see 1,000 opposition marches? This idea is all around you in every state. It's real. It's not "globalists". It's my neighbors. Millions of them are saying it independently. There are several issues about the administration or party; Zionism remains paramount among them.

I don't "view" the party as working in a solid unit, just look at the voting record. Speaks for itself.

I know for a fact that populist efforts to undermine the administration have just been shredded by gerrymandering laws that are essentially un-Constitutional, which will take years, probably another census, to peel away.

American people who do not blindly agree with dictation are the relevant and determining factor here. They're not going to take time to "debunk" it, as per the implication of this thread, but recognize that if it speaks at all, it is propaganda for militarism.

I can understand that you believe any message or information that is being communicated is aggressive or warlike, rather than truthful content. Ordinary, independent Americans are the key players in shaping the future, and they tend to see through the lies and propaganda that aim for a false sense of righteousness. It is clear that political parties intentionally break or create problems to rally support to increase their power. The unfortunate death of the woman in Minneapolis is the perfect example. She even received training on how to behave and act with her vehicle when confronted by ICE. I understand that this comment is going to be inflamatory but I believe it is true. The organizers of the protest were hoping for someone to get seriously hurt or die, this enhances their power, nothing more. When you read all the evidence, this is abundantly clear. Ultimatley things could change, but it is extremely doubtful and this loss of life will be for naught.

I am not going to respond anymore because we have moved way off topic. I leave the last word with you.
R

[Kryztian]

Posted by shaberon (here)

Posted by rgray222 (here)
Please tell me what you mean specifically when you say MLK was a zionist. Do you mean MLK supported Zionism, the movement for the establishment of a Jewish homeland in Israel, or something more nefarious? What words had deadly consequences?

He at least spoke favorably of it. I doubt that he "supported" it by channeling funds, etc.; but generally speaking, Civil Rights in the U. S. is pretty well mixed with Jews saying "hey, we have something in common" and so those discussions sort of merged into one. What's good for the Jews is good for blacks, women, Native Americans, or any minority, which are all probably fair ideas, minus the fact that Zion is a violent and militarized land grab.

Not sure he did, however, some of the "MLK is a Zionist" belief may have originated with a forgery document: the Letter to an Anti-Zionist Friend. Apparently, the fake letter was quoted by Ariel Sharon and referenced before the House of Representatives by a member of the Anti-Defamation League. But it never existed.

Because many businesses in Jewish neighbor hoods were black owned, there was some anti-Jewish sentiment within the civil rights, but there was also a lot of support for the civil rights movement from American Jews, and in light of the latter, MLK did make some pro-Jewish statements. But there really isn't anything significant on the Palestine issue there.