Hoaglands take on YU55 Nov 9th onwards...

[Eric J (Viking)]

He's wrong...she's wrong...they are wrong...they are right...he is right...she is right...lol ...you gotta laugh hey...

What a bloody merry go round...sure is a mine field...

One things for sure folks ... one day we will know...for sure! ...


#Pie'n'eal ... that was funny ...

viking

[woodshreder]

It seems everything we do is ego driven. We all do whats best for our ego dont we Bill ? can be as simple as the food we eat and enjoy and encourage others to try , (And if you dont mind me using your recent move to ecuador a an example) The place in which we choose to live. None of these things are to better the collective or humanity. Its our ego that makes choices in life.... Actually as I write this I realize that all the post on this forum are ego driven. Arent we all here to share knowledge. And its our ego that expresses that knowledge........ Im ranting my ego is out of control ....LOL
Peace Always Peace

[onawah]

I was amazed to hear Ben Fulford say on a recent interview that there is "a little" radiation in Fukushima.
That will seriously impact on his credibility, I would think, unless the ETs are really doing an incredible job of cleaning up and there's some real evidence of that.

[Hervé]

Posted by Carmody (here)
well, the thing of it is, you see, that the debris trail is still with us.

[...]

True,

However, since the remnants of Elenin crossed the ecliptic on Sept. 13, anything not substantial that's left of Elenin has been blown above Earth ever since by the solar winds...

So, from an heliocentric point of view, Elenin is currently beyond Earth's orbit and way above Earth's ecliptic orbit.

The only time Earth would presumably run into anything left of that cloud of particles not blown away by solar winds would be Sept. 13 next year.

[kevlar]

Predicting something staggeringly wonderful is going to happen , that must be Love-mongering, or love porn I suppose .LOL

love kevlar

[onawah]

The wildness of some of Hoagland's theories make me wonder if there is some blackop program using a mind control device of some sort to mislead him.
I think there is truth in some of what he says, and that he is basically a sincere person, but some of his info --whew!!

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
It is getting more and more difficult to know who to believe these days!

Of those currently active --

• Richard Dolan (always).
• David Icke.
• Leonid Elenin.
• Very few others that I can think of!

There's a huge amount of irrationality and hysteria on the internet at the moment. It's reasonable to assume (if we step back just for a moment) that much of this has been deliberately created.

[Lazlo]

I've been reading so much lately that doesn't add up that I have seriously toned down my tin foil hat surfing. It mostly feels like a waste of time.

I'm not the gambling type, but I'll go so far as to wager $1 that when the next big "whatever" happens, no one will have accurately predicted it, but lot's of people will crawl out of the shadows to claim that they did.

[shadowstalker]

The lie is different at every level, something that Hoagland doesn't see when certain items are presented to him AT TIMES.
It's sad when things like that happen.
Not saying everything he stated was false just saying that he doesn't really see and understand everything that he thinks is right.
He is to busy being trusting in his contacts which in turn could have been lied to themselves.

Which in turn does not make Hoagland a hoaxer, he is just to trusting with some things, and some people.

[Hervé]

Another one who fell off the wagon is Len Horrowitz when he started spewing dirt on the late Ted Gunderson...

[Cidersomerset]

I know what you mean Lazlo by deffinition alot of what we watch and read is disinfo or misinterpretaion or just wrong, but as i have said many times, when you have hit
a dead end and have information overload, I like to go back to a few staples like, Roswell, Rendlesham, The Belgian flap, and look at some of the old military and pilot
sightings testomonies and say to myselfe they cannot all be wrong, and the bravery of reaserchers like Wendelle Stevens, David Icke and many others and especially Bill and Kerry

For without whom I would not be corresponding on the forum as its because of the synchrinicity of aquiring a computor and getting access to the web, and after googling UFO's one of the first sites I visited was Camelot just after it started so I was able to watch the interviews in order of how they were done and although I was into UFO documentries, I fell headfirst down the rabbit hole and here we are.........so all in all I feel we are on the cusp of something 'very big and enlightening'......

Cheers Steve

[lake]

Hi, haven't watched the vids, but will!

But since reading Bills post, have to now say that over the last 3 odd months, have been totally chased ( wont for a better word) by 19.47

I kid you not.

19.47 or 47 it would seem is occurring around me constantly?

I have no idea why.

Have tried to research this but the results really are nothing of substance.

Understand that it may be to do with the Merkabah.

But what in this place is true?

[Kindred]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
The only time Earth would presumably run into anything left of that cloud of particles not blown away by solar winds would be Sept. 13 next year.

Actually, no. Next year, we'll be in a completely different part of space as shown in this excellent video about the motions of the planets about the Sun, which, itself, is probably spiraling along some axis within the arm of our galaxy. I think this aspect of Richard Hoagland's interpretation all the more amazing, considering the actual physics involved if, indeed, Elenin, YU55, etc, have been directed.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=-NH5yK3ZN54

[Hervé]

Posted by Kindred (here)

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
The only time Earth would presumably run into anything left of that cloud of particles not blown away by solar winds would be Sept. 13 next year.

Actually, no. Next year, we'll be in a completely different part of space...

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Except that, that "cloud" is moving with us in that different part of space... if there is anything left of it...

[onawah]

Bill, would you care to go into some detail on what you consider to be the disinformation that David Wilcock and Ben Fulford have been passing on to us?
Do you think any actions have been taken to restrain the activities of the denizens of the underground cities, or that any of the bankster stories from BF are true?
In your opinion, is it a case of those stories being 100% wrong, or is it a case of just enough of it is true to keep the rumor mills going?
Bob Dean is very optimistic and says that the ETs are going to be taking more and more action to make their presence known and to curb the actions of TPTW.
You seem to disagree with this, judging from some of your comments, and have asserted it's more a case of us being unrealistic to think we can rely on help from ETs.
Can you tell us why you think this? Have you heard from many other sources on these stories as to their veracity?
Thanks!

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
I'd assume, with excellent reason, that it was an attempt to discredit the messenger (in this case Hoagland). David Wilcock and Ben Fulford have recently been misinformed, and Hoagland may well be the next target.

[apokalypse]

it's interesting that Hoagland friend Joseph Farrell have different view on Elenin and among other things...

http://www.thebyteshow.com/Audio/Jos...ct2011_TBS.mp3

one thing guys like Hoagland or even Project Camelot/Avalon may be on TPTB targeted list for disinfo...

facts or false information like et's-secret space programs which i'm not really into it, i'm only leave it as that consider as supplements. Now i'm really into David Icke work on spreading the Truth on our world which we should not be live in, or Alex Collier underlying message and philosophy.

[ROMANWKT]

Every time information like this starts to come out it goes viral, and then the big bump as it all falls to the ground as a non event., somebody is very interested to power up these non events continuously, its in somebody's interest, that these event are always a flop. go back a few years, and then come forward, all predictions a flop??

Possibility of reverse psychology making sure that all prediction stop going viral, so for a long period of CRYING WOLF, it would be in their interest that nobody is ready or aware, or interested. So do go viral with this information, but don't go cuckoo, just be very aware, and ready. I smell a rat here as well.

Regards to all
roman

[Tony]

This is not against Hoagland.

The illusionist uses the art of misdirection....not lies!
if you keep people looking up into the sky, they will not be looking at the ground. If you keep people looking at the outside, they will not be looking on the inside.

The people we know about, may not even be doing it consciously, as they have been misdirected. This is so easy to do!

In the spiritual world, misdirection is going on all the time by the occult. it is happening on this forum!

remember, 'Animal Farm'...Two legs bad, four legs good. Then four legs good, two legs better...


It is not lies at every level, that we should be worried about. They are too obvious.
It is misdirection at every level, which we should be aware of.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by onawah (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
I'd assume, with excellent reason, that it was an attempt to discredit the messenger (in this case Hoagland). David Wilcock and Ben Fulford have recently been misinformed, and Hoagland may well be the next target.

Bill, would you care to go into some detail on what you consider to be the disinformation that David Wilcock and Ben Fulford have been passing on to us?

David, always enthusiastic to report good news (and always laudable!), jumped on Ben Fulford's unverifiable claims and gave them a major boost simply through his own high profile and extended readership. Not a smart thing to do if the information is of dubious provenance. This was a lapse on David's part.

The bottom line is this: if Ben Fulford really was leaking accurate details of this nature, he'd have found himself at the bottom of Tokyo Bay many months ago. Nothing he has ever said has ever been verified to be true.

Ben states that his sources include 'the CIA'. But Kerry and I know one of these 'CIA sources'. We met him, he has distant CIA connections, he has a degree of brain damage (with some memory loss) after a serious accident, and while he is a good man we found that his claims were not reliable: Jim Humble also knows him, and we learned from Jim that the accident he experienced was actually very different (different circumstances, different country) from the one he told us about.

We know this is the same man. He asked us to put him in touch with Ben, and we made the introduction.

Another source of Ben's is from 'The Vatican'. This is Leo Zagami. There was an embarrassing radio show a couple of years ago with Jeff Rense (either 1 September or 23 September 2009, I believe) in which Ben came on the air seeming to say that he had been in personal dialog with the Black Pope.

Rense did a commendable job of radio journalism and pressed him continually for clarification. Eventually, Fulford admitted that he had merely received a visit from Leo Zagami. Rense sighed audibly in response. You could almost hear his audience cringing, all over the world, on live radio. It was an interesting moment.

This was an important on-air instance of how Fulford had hyped his 'source' to deliberately give a false and exaggerated impression -- but Rense, after repeated questioning, caught him out.

Another of Fulford's claimed sources is the 'British Royal Family'. I know nothing about this, but it's reasonable to suspect that this may be a low-level person such as an administrator, a driver, or even a cook (there are many hundreds of them working in what is quite a large support organization). These people sometimes hear things. But it's equally likely that he is being fed with deliberate misinformation (100% untrue) or disinformation (partly untrue), knowing exactly what he will do with what he is told.

One of the problems is that Fulford inflates himself. It's an ego show. (Sorry folks, but this is a fact.) He never says: "I was told such-and-such, but I'm still checking it out as someone may be trying to take me for a ride". Or -- "I was told such-and-such, but I simply don't believe it." Or -- "I was told such-and-such, but this conflicts with other information I have, so I'm not sure what to conclude at the moment". Rather, he rushes to publication with this week's scoop. (Sorry again, folks -- but this is also a fact.)

Posted by onawah (here)
Do you think any actions have been taken to restrain the activities of the denizens of the underground cities, or that any of the bankster stories from BF are true?

No.

Posted by onawah (here)
In your opinion, is it a case of those stories being 100% wrong, or is it a case of just enough of it is true to keep the rumor mills going?

Hard to say with total certainty. But I'm as sure as I can be they are 100% wrong and deliberately misleading. (Not deliberate on the part of Fulford or Wilcock.) Audio recordings of furniture sliding across the floor? Sorry once again: that's comical.

Posted by onawah (here)
Bob Dean is very optimistic and says that the ETs are going to be taking more and more action to make their presence known and to curb the actions of TPTW.
You seem to disagree with this, judging from some of your comments, and have asserted it's more a case of us being unrealistic to think we can rely on help from ETs.
Can you tell us why you think this? Have you heard from many other sources on these stories as to their veracity?

The ETs (and other benevolent beings out there - and there are certainly many) -- cannot intervene overtly. This would break every rule and protocol. But there's a great deal they can do to support covertly, and I have certainty that they do.

This battle is ours to fight, and this is a foundation-stone of the process. We humans have to take care of Planet Earth on our own. And many are watching. It's the greatest show in this sector of the galaxy.

To assist us, many ETs (and other beings) are incarnating as humans --- and this doesn't violate any protocols at all. Some of them are new arrivals, while others have been here as long as a few thousand years. It's a kind of loophole in which the requirement/agreement that humans sort this out themselves isn't breached.

How? Because they join us here in becoming human. My warmest and most sincere greetings, and appreciation, to many of those people reading this right now. Thank you for being here.



But now, let's get this job done. No-one else out there is going to do it for us.

[ROMANWKT]

Hallo Bill

Precisely who wrote/backs the rules about of non interference in this experiment as it seems to be called, that makes you think is a possible fact??

Precisely who would interject if the rules were broken??

what proof do we have that these things exits, or are a possible fact??

My kindest regards to you Bill
roman

PS I would like to say also that I have read and heard all the archive video, and outside of this forum, but there seems to be more disruption on the alien parts which nobody is doing much about it, yet when it comes to us, well we have to stick to some unknown rules???