I dont think there is reincarnation.

[Chester]

Note: at one of the higher levels of "the matrix" - I totally subscribe to "reincarnation." This is at the level of "my spirit's identity" level.

The egoic level of my individual spirit.

Its a cool level... of course, "the ending" is not so pretty... but no endings ever are.

[Chester]

Posted by sheme (here)
So let me get this straight "bs" is everything wonderful anyone ever thought about God Source Reincarnation and everything= Your personal revelation?

Hmm Well my BS (beautiful stuff) just can't see the benefit in making your choice- you see it just doesn't serve me, I definitely prefer the belief system I already have. That Love is all there is. Peace and light is yours if you want it.


http://www.askteal.com/ see what the universe has for you-

and I agree completely... at this level, it is Beautiful Stuff. And not only that but "I" also subscribe whole heartedly to reincarnation. I have had an OBE as well so "something" continues indeed... again... at one level.

I am a sell out to "if you must exist anchored in some body (physical or astral or etheric or bhuddic and on and on) it is best to have, from the viewpoint of that bodily vehicle - a great, positive attitude!"

And so I constantly convince myself to have one.

Too bad the general evidence of life on earth at this time from the view point of a physical body suggests things are not exactly getting "better" if things like personal freedom, the right to experience your own, sovereign thoughts, the right to only have to experience that which "you" consent to.

And ohhh yes... "god"- the lovely "source" of this realm which is all and only a world of lies/deception, vengeance, slander, jealousy, greed etc... Don't you just love this "thing" that has all this lovely reincarnative complex all properly packaged and sold to the enlightened (like myself) amongst us?

Or could there be some 3rd party we prefer to avoid admitting might exist which has our compliance?

I just look at the objective evidence and trust me, I have done everything I could to avoid this conclusion.

Much still to chew on indeed.

Chew, chew, chew I do.

I also have found without exception that within the realms of form I have explored (at least... that I recall having explored) - without exception, if you bet on love, you win... because love wins all bets (in realms of form).

[Peace of Mind]

Posted by Apulu (here)
Spot the newbie! This topic is bound to excite a few passions...

I respect your viewpoint of course Peace of Mind; I wondered if you thought you were as careful as you could be to lean away from a tone of certainty in your original assertions, i.e. that this is the only life that we live etc. It's a tricky thing to do, I admit, to really question weather we KNOW something or not, even if we feel that we do; it's usually a question of how much we have invested in the belief I suppose.

I feel (rather dramatically sounding) that just about all of the perceived ills of humanity can be boiled down to this simple error: believing that we know something, when in fact we do not. All conflict, of any kind, seems to be a result of this. It's been said many times, in many different ways, usually using that overused and little thought about term: ignorance. And the word has too many negative connotations these days IMO when it seems that we are all just about totally ignorant when you really think about it... My currant favourite way of saying it is "The only sin is Ignorance". More profound than it sounds!

Any discussion of this kind, involving belief-systems, I think is rather likely to run in circles unless we have first asked this question: do we really know what we are saying? It's a little scary to realise that the answer, probably by definition of the fact that we are saying it, must be no, we do not. Sorry if the whole "is it possible to actually know anything for certain" thing has entered a bit too much here, that's probably another thread...

My own viewpoint is very much in favour of reincarnation. I have my own personal proof (I'll share if anyone wants to hear it), but it has not convinced a couple of people who were already convinced that we don't reincarnate! The other question I feel must be asked is: one way or another, what purpose does it serve? Even though I've found a lot of inspiration from becoming convinced about reincarnation, and had a hell of lot of unfathomable quirks about existence explained by it, I still have to conclude that ultimately the belief in it probably serves no purpose at all. And I do mean ultimately.

Everything matters; if they didn’t they wouldn’t be a part of matter. Even a rock has some significance; it can be used in building, an obstacle to test you, and/or to provide detail to this beautiful world...amongst other things.

I believe everything has its purpose and seeing that we (Humans) are such magnificent beings, our purposes are much greater. We have the ability to create from our unlimited imagination, yet we place limits on ourselves by taking on beliefs that actually limit you. Anything is possible, but I also believe many people are blindly being tricked to use their minds to create a world for a few hidden evil people who understand the mind generates what it focuses on. Not many people seem to be mindful of this.

As I stated earlier, I don’t follow the reincarnation stuff. I’ve yet to be convinced that anyone of us were ever here before. Why come back, And for what? What are you doing here now?

I, you, anyone can come up with elaborate stories to share on the topic, but what will that actually prove, or even do for either of us? Absolutely nothing (as you can see).

Whenever I see this subject it puzzles because the claims of coming back here is always for some important reason, but those making these claims aren’t really doing anything of importance. So, for that very reason alone I refuse to believe it because I don’t see the evidence of past lives or the reason of urgency to come back...especially when said person isn’t really enjoying their time spent here in this carnation.

To be honest, it’s just a useless conversation (well at least to me it is), nothing has or will ever come out of it, always nothing. This is why I don’t spend time dwelling on the idea. I just can’t spend the precious time we have wondering about other life times when we need to be more concern with this life time. The ideas of reincarnation are just as distracting as the Alien talk. Both are hugh time wasters that can’t seem to be proven, yet they have the ability to mold many people’s minds, smh.

Honestly, I worry about neither, they are unimportant; if they were then their reasons would be obvious, right? Seeing that they are not gives me enough proof that some conditioning tactics are in play here, so I stay away and remain active in the real world, doing things that mattre... I’ll rather stay focused with THIS body/entity and what it can do in THIS life time.

In the end we will all know. As of now, I’ll be spending the little time we have here wisely and productively. When its check out time I know for a fact that I will have very little (if any) regrets, I will have learned all I needed to, and there is no reason for me to come back after I’ve expended myself and my services fully. I doubt I’ll be coming back because there isn’t anything of significance to learn or do that I can’t do in this lifetime.

Maybe reincarnation is real for certain souls; they keep coming back because they missed out on lessons, or just can’t get it right. Maybe they came back because the last times they wasted their opportunities to advance themselves by being stagnated and gullible, I can see these traits in many people.

I doubt I was here before; maybe it’s my first time. From what I see I’m sure it will be my last. I doubt I’ll be back because I’m just not a time waster. Here on Earth we learn, serve each other and die. There’s hardly anything else or of great importance I wish to come back here to learn about.

We’re all here for a reason, if you were here before or not really isn’t important, we're here now so make the best of it....or if you wish....come back later and try it again.

Peace

[marlowe]

Posted by Prodigal Son (here)
If the Vatican tries to cover it up, it is undoubtedly true.

+1

There are literally thousands of well documentated cases of reincarnation......



I won't bother to post links...just google it..{documented cases of reincarnation}

[we-R-one]

There have been so many recorded cases, I find it hard not to believe that reincarnation exists. My own personal experience with reincarnation began in 2005 when I started remembering who I was while walking through some very old and majestic homes known as the Newport Mansions in RI. That experience made me pursue the topic in more depth a few years later when I began to research for assistance in the summer of 10, the biggest part of my spiritual awakening. I found Dr. Walter Semkiw, and began to peruse over his website. He has been researching the topic for many, many years and has uncovered some amazing cases. I contacted him and he led me to Kevin Ryerson, who's a member of Semkiw's board of directors. Kevin does channeling. Initially I was extremely skeptical and I didn't put much credence in channeling, but after looking over both his and Dr. Walter Semkiw's credentials I decided to keep an open mind. What got my immediate attention is during the channeling session, Kevin brought up the word "renaissance" and this was the exact word that I began to remember when I was walking through these mansions....I knew I had something to do with the renaissance period, mainly the last one from the 1500's. I never gave Kevin any information, so there's no way he could have known that word had come to my subconscious. When I was told who I was, it all began to make sense. As I initially researched who I supposedly had been, dates started to match, names were matching and there were so many synchronicities occurring I could no longer ignore what was happening. These are known as objectives and are quite helpful in connecting you to a past life. Interestingly enough I have been through 4 renaissance periods, this time being my fourth and most likely that is whyt I was beginning to remember.

I often find that many who don't believe in reincarnation often ignore the extensive research and cases that have been made available. Most don't even know the procedures you go through to identify who you are, so it puzzles me how many can come to the conclusion of it not existing, when they don't even have any knowledge of the process. Not all of us have the same type of memories. Some remember actual pictures other's don't. What I learned through researching and my own personal experience is that memories can be emotions, not just pictures and that's what happened in my case. But because you're never told that you blow off these emotions and fail to recognize that these are clues coming to the surface. I was remembering the music, the architecture, the clothes, the jewelry, through my emotions and how period dated pieces from this era made me feel. I also remembered specifically playing the harp. You can imagine the shock I felt as I began to research myself(yes I was a documented person) and found my harp in a Scotland museum. It looked exactly like something I would pick out.

In addition to reincarnation, I would suggest investigating NDE's(near death experiences). This is an important topic to understand as NDE's basically demonstrate that you're consciousness and if you're consciousness, you can go anywhere, which means...you can reincarnate. Probably one of the best NDE's on record is the experience of Dr. Eben Alexander, a neurosurgeon. IMO, his case seals the deal to the reality that we are consciousness with the main purpose of reincarnating for soul growth. If you look at many of these cases you begin to see patterns and similarities that cannot be ignored.

For myself I have no need for someone of moral authority to declare what's real and what's not. I was fortunate enough to be able to look within and in doing so found the answer on my own. For other's who have yet to have that kind of experience, there are plenty of credible people who have stepped forward to share their stories and Dr. Eben Alexander and Dr. Walter Semkiw, both credentialed, if that's important to you, further solidify that NDE's and reincarnation are very real.

Surf around Dr. Semkiw's site for more information. There is much to explore:

http://www.iisis.net/index.php?page=...st-life-expert

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Respect to you AMystic3434, and admiration for articulating your belief and opinion. Mine differs however. In my current level of understanding I clearly perceive that one cannot learn all that is necessary to learn (to spiritually progress to the next level) by attending just one day at school. Hence we return many times, in many bodies, in many conditions and in many settings in order to learn our many lessons.

It is my belief, and my recognition, that this is a required process for all souls to attempt and to experience until their knowledge and wisdom reaches a certain level (and their energy a certain refinement) when it is no longer necessary to return.

The spiritguides that you mentioned, which certainly exist. They are merely further along the soul's journey. But they know our pain, for where we stand now they once stood. A guide cannot guide unless they have learned what they need to know to guide. They have lived their many lives and graduated. From a higher plane they now lend a hand, they comfort and encourage us. They are teachers, and we are pupils. One day, perhaps, we too shall serve as teachers to the young ones that come after us, as they take the many steps that we have already walked, on the long road through this earth school.

[Bill Ryan]

[Patrikas]

Imagine just for a second. that we had had other experiences in diffrent places... different planes or dimensions even, over a great period of time .......lets call it the souls journey
during that time we had achieved understanding, gained knowlwdge .. learned things, gaining physical gifts .. and along the way remembering , knowing who we really were and our true purpose an intent......gaining spiritual gifts also ....
and all of a sudden wham here we are here on earth .....just a look around and anyone can see things are not right ..

so if you put all of your remembering and knowing along with the physical & spiritual gifts.. into this physical life we are living right now.......there you have it theres plenty to do for everyone .....if they choose .

i know many dont get me and thats ok .... but thats my two cents cheers

[ghostrider]

Everyone on the planet at one time or another, has said, Hey I feel like I've done this before... down to the smallest detail, the time of day, the smell in the air, the clothes your wearing, the place your standing, the company present, the season, the tempature outside, the direction of the breeze, the hand gesture, what you just had for dinner, the car you were walking to, the sound of nature , all at that exact moment ... and it's just coincidence ??? the human spirit form is at least 80,000,000 years old ...

[ghostrider]

Posted by selinam (here)
I believe in reincarnation. One of the reasons why is this: in my first pregnancy I had twins but one of the twins died shortly after birth. Why would someone be born and die within a couple of hours? What would be the reason? Why would that be the only 'life' they have? I had another child 6 years later and I often wondered if my twin daughter had been 're-born' into my 2nd child? Still can't answer that one!

if it's any comfort to you, I believe some souls are just too perfect for our corrupt world ...

[Rozzy]

bump

[Lifebringer]

I wonder if while we are dreaming we are creating our next day, month, year?

If they keep you running the rat race treadmill, you dream about work and therefore have your job. If you have a negative feeling about the job you're in, and wish for a different one, then don't be surprised at a layoff or new CEO coming in and firing the old staff, you put that out there and it's up to you to find the next job you yearned for, instead of the one you felt negatively about. It's out there, cause you put it out there, but what did you put out there, in that time of emotional upheaval that caused you to yearn for a different job you would enjoy doing.

Amazing that big picture karma, isn't it.

[Lifebringer]

The most amazing one was the reincarnation of the little Russian boy who was on another planet and piloting a spacecraft that crashed. He ended up here and remembers the wars in our galaxy from long ago. It's on youtube and I find it so intriguing as he tells the story talking to Kerry in interview. He talks about Saturn and Mars at war. Good video. His mother is worried for him, as the ptw are also very interested, but if they approach this little fellow after so much press, they will be publicly stomped into oblivia.

The need to know in Russia is just as serious, or more so, than ours. We had democracy, they had Tzars, heirachy. From what I understand, the ptw eliminated one of their rulers and family because the ruler was an ET incarnate, and their minds could be read in the physical body. They eliminated him and his family. I believe Annistasia family was the one I read about.

[Lifebringer]

Wow! Where to start...hmmm...I guess I'll start with how I got here. Bill Ryan invite from the net world of truth.
How did I get to this particular post? Seeking Bill Ryan after the question of "where's Bill Ryan?" Now that may seem like gibberish, but everybody has a reason to be here. It may be that some information or proof you've never experienced, has led you to doubt reincarnation. Well if there isn't reincarnation, why would Christ say, He would return at the end of days? Is Christ a liar? Of course not. If your not of the religious sort, i'd like to be your witness to reincarnation, as "I have experienced a NDE near death experience."
I know my consciousness survived the death of the body, because I watched them from an upper corner of the birthing room ceiling, deliver my breech/feet first birth of my daughter. I remember watching them break her collar bone, not just watching, but actually inside her physical body peering in as the shoulder was fractured on the pelvic bone to pull her out, before the paddles for shock were applied. I felt her pain and said: "Ohhh, I've got to help my baby.." more like a feeling my soul had and then I was sucked back in. There was no pain, just as there was "no sound on a UFO" I saw with 30 people, but how do you prove that "near death experience" unless you volunteer to go to NEAR DEATH. Death is death, that's for sure, of the "body" not the spirit conscious. I remember when they revived me, I told them to x-ray her because she has a fractured shoulder. The doctors stared at me as I told them the way they pulled her out, caused her to hit the pelvic bone and suffer a fracture. They did the x-ray and found the fracture.
Do not doubt Christ promise, that you live always through Him. Because he "told" you about this reincarnation of His return. Our year may not be the same as the Universal Galactic time clock rotation around multiple suns within sun spheres area, but the time for it has come around finally, and you and I are blessed to understand the complexities of technology that was back in the ancient times among our ancestors times before time and a half, and we can describe what they the uneducated did not understand. The heiarchy used to only educate and send their children abroad to learn in top educational facilities and institutions. That was a long time ago. Technology has reached around the world to really be able to make a difference in obtaining peace and prosperity for all who work hard and love each other unconditionally. I didn't choose to die that day, but I know it was in the plan to be here to tell you about it.

Godspeed, it really does happen.

[Lifebringer]

I think of it like this. The planets that hold life forms and beings are like a game board for the soul. If you want to enter the game to advance your soul, you must proceed in the body of any of the beings, life forms on the planet/gameboard to move through. Sometimes when you don't learn something that is vitally missing on your quest for Heaven, you have the choice to relive it again until you do, always conscious of karma while selecting. Some will do good in the game, some will do, not so good, as the pitfalls are like a video game boss in the game, that you have to battle to retain your life/freedom/or move forward gaining the experience using peaceful ways. You get the choice to shoot your way out, but the karma says you'll get shot on the way out also.

Game on for centuries as we enter the final round, and the pitfalls and hurdle Big bosses are up at bat. Let's strike em out and send em back.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Posted by justoneman (here)
In my experience (apologies, but this is all I have that I feel comfortable in relating most of the time)...

In my experience, as the veil is lifted and the lovely "matrix" is revealed, there are layers of "revelation" (like peeling off layers of an onion) which I (and so I assume we) experience. What appears to have been the case, I went from one "world view" to the next based on what I realized after peeling off a new (deeper) layer.

So here are the highlights of my lovely journey.

I was born and saw and experienced a material world which I was able to manipulate to some extent and sometimes to my own satisfaction.

I then discovered there seemed to be a "third party" between "me" and "my experience" which also seemed to have a say in the matter as to what i actually experienced.

I then concluded (based on the popular belief) that this was "god."

I then became braver because I had concluded that there was "god" and that "god" knew what was in my heart and that because I believed what was in my heart was "good," that "god" would assist me in ways only "god" could.

I then concluded the world was terrible screwed up.

I then decided to "save" the world.

Through that experience I discovered how full of "total bs" I was.

So then I looked at my experiences and had to question how I could be so fooled and at the same time how could I have acquired this strange, massive "connection" to all that comes forth in my reality experience which manifests through massive synchronicity that anyone with basic mathematics acumen would realize was impossible to simply be "coincidence."

That's when I smelled a much more insidious "rat" - that being "god" itself.

So then I started to study both my own reality experience as well as the reality experience others were having. I especially studied the "conclusions" and "assumptions" I and others would draw about their experiences. And it is now quite clear to me that all these lovely things we "think" or "believe" or "conclude" based on our waking state experiences, what others tell us, our dreaming and/or trance and/or "past life recall" state experiences (where it appears almost all the "bs" so many love to buy into and latch onto... such as "reincarnation" comes from), we are able to adopt a comfortable view that -

a.) there is some greater "power" or "source" from which we came.

b.) that all of our experiences are meant to "teach us" something we either never knew or forgot - because this source or power "loves us."

c.) that each of us "is eternal" and thus things like "reincarnation" is real and each of us, individually, lives on forever.

I am of the world view now that all these things we believe but have no proof of is simply games we play on ourselves to keep ourselves from what may be the actual truth all along.

All of this is bs and an illusion and there are some within this illusion who know this and take advantage of this with no conscience. The true psychopaths. And we are their toys.

Enjoy Easter Week!

Thanx Chester,

I for myself have discovered that "abandoning all hope" is a most liberating experience, its BST, a sort of Blank Slate Technology, perhaps not in Wingmakers terms, but it feels to be spot on.

Of course Iboga really helped too, came with the BST deal in my case, ghehehe

[Rich]

Lifebringer, if you read the Christ Letters he says that he will Not return; and his reason being that a human body
could not hold his powerful spiritual vibrations, but he also says that we can have personal guidance from him.

As for reincarnation being real or not, imo it depends on where we look from, both viewpoints are valid.

[spuddie]

Q: What do you call coming back to life as a hillbilly?

A: Reintarnation.

[ThoughtPulse]

reincarnation exists because it is a wild idea. boring things are not true in reality. boring ideas are just wild ideas segmented and restrained. dont listen to me im crazy ahaaha.

[Natalia]

This boy's story just goes to show how there are meaningful reasons why some people remember past lives! As a child I remember a few dreams of me in other lives...one of them I was a little girl traveling in a small boat, in a place that was full of canals, I had a strong feeling that this was me in another life...I did not know where or when it was, though...years later as an adult I found out about Atlantis and that it had lots of canals, I felt a connection to it...then I was told by a psychic that I had past lives in Atlantis, and this was not a surprise to me...so there must have been some reason why I remembered (some of) it...

I also had dreams many times of lots of water and the sea and tidal waves and running away from them...and sometimes drowning...and I have had a fear in this life of drowning (although I love the sea)...perhaps this was to do with Atlantis, too...

And the boy in the video, it seemed like something in him wanted to make peace with the way that he died, and meet the people that he knew in that past life, this was very touching...

[QUOTE=Rozzy;651936]

Posted by Prodigal Son (here)
If not, how do you explain the thousands of people recalling past lives in graphic detail, like this one?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=OWCUjx4nI98