The male abuse of women

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Posted by Sierra (here)

Posted by Nanoo Nanoo (here)
The subject of concentrating on the past problem i think is counter productive .. now that women have made their case how can we re integrate and be happy again ? i think all men and women here wish to progress and perhaps this is a katalyst for that ? for understanding ? i hope so because that would be great !
N

Past? I have never seen so many news reports of violence towards girls and women, the world over, as I have in the last twelve months... It is what it is.

Sierra

Sorry i didnt explain my self better. I mean that now we have established historically what is wrong and what women deserve, to concentrate on technology for an Egalitarian society between the sexes. If we did it in the past before the need for Patriarchy came in , then we can return to it as it seems was our natural propensity.

In the mean time the tangent we have drifted down is probably more to do with politics and deliberate shifting of natural relations than natural co existance.

And again we have to discern if this debate is purely about Rights and not drift off into sexual abuses because thats a totally different ( but just as important mind you ) discussion. For the debate and learning to be on a steady course it would be wise not to dilute the questions.

And in answer to your question my dear Sierra , there are a great deal of wrongs in the world and pretty much everybody is suffering from the effects. In general in order to effect change we must identify the problem first ( which we have ) but then shift the focus to the solutions and then impliment them without breaking stride.

We know all too well what the problems are, what are the solutions ? And can we have some solution suggestions ?

Things or lines of thinking , like injecting potential code , that can start to change our direction into something better. Because while the machine divides us , its conquering while we in fight.

hmm


N

[Carmody]

Posted by Sierra (here)
Carmen,

I think the first thing mothers have to do is stop getting their sons circumcised.

Sierra

It is absolutely VITAL that this disfigurement and twisting of the male mind and body, in it's very genesis and unfolding, in the creation of it's unconsciousness and instinctive aspect of emotion....that this abomination be stopped, immediately.


It is a core shift, that was created along with the Abrahamic religions -the scourge of this planet, today.

IMO and via research, it appears it was designed to remove a male from his core sexual balance in his masculine/feminine relations, and in his relation to the world. To prevent elevation of the self, to keep a sexual orientation that is primitive and to keep patriarchal and remote godhood (god is separate) alive and well.

It was designed to block the door to ultimate truth in the male, to block him from his personal enlightenment. To block and cover it with overt and primitive sexuality that is turned selfish, disassociated and violently outward, to block ultimate gain of intelligence and creative capacity.

Note to those who are not aware: the doorway to 'other', which resides in the self, is at the deepest parts. and when someone burns down the basis of the mind-body bridge, and soaks it in female betrayal, betrayal of the mother as a core point in the origins of emotional existence in the male, and this act becomes a disassociated sexually induced primitive violent reflection that runs throughout the being...well ....you can see the result. (the story is more complex, this is the tip of the iceberg)

Circumcision was a key component in creating war and controlling the world and it's expression via Abrahamic religions.

[turiya]

I have heard that the major difference between men & women, the difference that has created all the problems is this: men think about sex every 4 minutes & women think about it every 7 minutes. That's it! This difference is the basis for all the problems that exist between men & women.

That is the difference that makes man be more aggressive after women. That is why women can pretend that they are not interested, that they are not concerned with sex in comparison to man. That is why men have to go into a foreplay, have to persuade women (for at least 3 minutes) that its okay, everything is alright to have sex. It is the difference that allows women to claim the upper ground, to say with their body language, "I am not running after you."

Men are more aggressive, and women are more receptive. This is why man appears as the bumbling bee, and women are like flowers... all they have to do is display their beauty to attract a stumbling bumbling sex minded bee.

Three minutes seems like a insignificant amount of time, but that is all it takes to create all the problems that exist between men & women.

turiya

[Carmody]

Posted by Carmody (here)

Posted by Sierra (here)
Carmen,

I think the first thing mothers have to do is stop getting their sons circumcised.

Sierra

It is absolutely VITAL that this disfigurement and twisting of the male mind and body, in it's very genesis and unfolding, in the creation of it's unconsciousness and instinctive aspect of emotion....that this abomination be stopped, immediately.


It is a core shift, that was created along with the Abrahamic religions -the scourge of this planet, today.

IMO and via research, it appears it was designed to remove a male from his core sexual balance in his masculine/feminine relations, and in his relation to the world. To prevent elevation of the self, to keep a sexual orientation that is primitive and to keep patriarchal and remote godhood (god is separate) alive and well.

It was designed to block the door to ultimate truth in the male, to block him from his personal enlightenment. To block and cover it with overt and primitive sexuality that is turned selfish, disassociated and violently outward, to block ultimate gain of intelligence and creative capacity.

Note to those who are not aware: the doorway to 'other', which resides in the self, is at the deepest parts. and when someone burns down the basis of the mind-body bridge, and soaks it in female betrayal, betrayal of the mother as a core point in the origins of emotional existence in the male, and this act becomes a disassociated sexually induced primitive violent reflection that runs throughout the being...well ....you can see the result. (the story is more complex, this is the tip of the iceberg)

Circumcision was a key component in creating war and controlling the world and it's expression via Abrahamic religions.

In the traditional method, done at 7 days after birth by a rabbi, with no anesthetic or other concern, we are talking about a damage level that is as a psychotic break, in the core of the avatar vehicle, wich turns it sideways,and away from confrontation with the damage to the core self.

We are talking about a broken animal of sexual orientation and damage, which rides in the formation of the unconsciousness of the vehicle/avatar, which screws up and changes the neural formation and path of the unfolding/creation of the mind.

The damage is greater than cutting off the legs, or plucking out the eyes ----of a newborn.

We simply don't recognize what it is we are looking at.

[ulli]

Posted by turiya (here)
I have heard that the major difference between men & women, the difference that has created all the problems is this: men think about sex every 4 minutes & women think about it every 7 minutes. That's it! This difference is the basis for all the problems that exist between men & women.

That is the difference that makes man be more aggressive after women. That is why women can pretend that they are not interested, that they are not concerned with sex in comparison to man. That is why men have to go into a foreplay, have to persuade women (for at least 3 minutes) that its okay, everything is alright to have sex. It is the difference that allows women to claim the upper ground, to say with their body language, "I am not running after you."

Men are more aggressive, and women are more receptive. This is why man appears as the bumbling bee, and women are like flowers... all they have to do is display their beauty to attract a stumbling bumbling sex minded bee.

Three minutes seems like a insignificant amount of time, but that is all it takes to create all the problems that exist between men & women.

turiya

And all along I thought that men think about sex every 3 months and women every 7 months...

[turiya]

Posted by ulli (here)
And all along I thought that men think about sex every 3 months and women every 7 months...

I suppose that age can play a factor

turiya

[Camilo]

Posted by ulli (here)

And all along I thought that men think about sex every 3 months and women every 7 months...

Ha, ha ,ha, ha.....

[turiya]

Posted by Carmody (here)
In the traditional method, done at 7 days after birth by a rabbi, with no anesthetic or other concern, we are talking about a damage level that is as a psychotic break, in the core of the avatar vehicle, wich turns it sideways,and away from confrontation with the damage to the core self.

We are talking about a broken animal of sexual orientation and damage, which rides in the formation of the unconsciousness of the vehicle/avatar, which screws up and changes the neural formation and path of the unfolding/creation of the mind.

The damage is greater than cutting off the legs, or plucking out the eyes ----of a newborn.

We simply don't recognize what it is we are looking at.

No doubt, a child needs protection - a responsibility of the parent (especially the mother), that the abusive act (circumcision) gives rise to an unconscious revenge toward women, and others (passive aggressive/covert hostility) which plays into the making of a military tool for war.

turiya

[Anchor]

Posted by Sierra (here)
Past? I have never seen so many news reports of violence towards girls and women, the world over, as I have in the last twelve months... It is what it is.

Sierra

It is what it is, but it doesn't mean we cant change it.

With modern communications and new systems it is easier for us to see things which we would never have known about in the past.

What is done in the dark will come to light and in that light it will be dealt with.

While stuff goes on in secret, unreported, etc we don't have a chance.

Painful though it may be, facing this is necessary in order to deal with this.

The truth sets us free, but first it pisses us off.

So I think the news reports exposing more of the truth is a good thing - despite the pain and the heavy demands made on our compassion.

It is not hopeless, but it wont get fixed instantly either.

My forum name Anchor came from the title of a book which is "To Be an Anchor in the Storm: A Guide for Families and Friends of Abused Women" by Susan Brewster. I had to read that book in order to deal with more than one difficult abuse cases which I somehow managed to cross paths with - over 20 years ago now, but I don't think I had the book until 1997 or so in an effort to make some sort of sense of the madness which is domestic abuse.

To say I have completely understood it all would be a lie. To say I can recall these episodes from my past without pain would be a lie. They were all part of a rude awakening to the world of what I now would probably call "harsh catalyst" !

What really sets me off is when a baseless allegation or unfounded implication of sexual abuse or some-kind of sexual misconduct (by implication, spin and weasel words) is used to strike out at someone - even if that someone is not my flavor of the month - no-one deserves that.

[RunningDeer]

Posted by turiya (here)

Posted by ulli (here)
And all along I thought that men think about sex every 3 months and women every 7 months...

I suppose that age can play a factor

turiya

Or individual.

[Kimberley]

I have not been following this tread and have only seen this last page...however circumcision has been a topic of interest of mine for 22 years (when I was pregnant with my first child. Both of my children are female, however I still researched this not knowing if they would be male or female.)

Have not done an internet search on the topic for many years, because I came to the conclusion 22 years ago that "Why would the penis be created with a flaw???" Just as why would a women not breast feed her children? Breasts are to feed baby's.

I just did a quick search and was tying to find something that I read in a book about the history of circumcision 22 years ago and can not find it. It was a quote from a rabi in the 15th century that admitted that circumcision was introduced to curb sexual pleasure for both the male and the female. He said something along the lines of "if a women was with an uncircumcised man she would never want to be with a circumcised man."

And from personal experience and from asking other women with personal experience, uncircumcised men are far, far, far more able to "last much longer" and therefore more able to give a women a vaginal/g-spot orgasm that a circumcised man.

Fact: only 25% of women reach orgasm via intercourse even though all porn and movies and TV shows show women achieving orgasm via intercourse.

There is a great documentary about female orgasm "OrgasmInc"... here is the trailer http://orgasminc.org/about-synopsis.php?trailer=true if you search you might find it to view for free...I viewed it on demand at Netflix earlier this year.

Anyway....So sorry for all the men and women that have been affected by this horrible mutilation of the removal of the foreskin.

Do search "the history of circumcision" for a whole lot of information...and do not be fooled that circumcision is a beneficial procedure. It is a painful mutilation of the male organ that is not flawed as was intended to bring pleasure to both males and females.

One of the BIGGEST control tactics played on mankind has been in the area of trying to repress the pleasure and spiritual power of human sexuality!

Ok I apologize if anyone is offended, however I just speak my truth. I will get off of my soap box now....

Much love and peace to us all!!!

http://www.historyofcircumcision.net/

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Ok So can we try something ?

Ladies , can you each make a short list , lets say 3 things , you would like to see change that is not already in process.

Identifying the problems is key to finding solutions.

SO far we have number ..

1 : No more circumcisions ( id agree with that one , ouch ) tip of the ice berg .. priceless: 0 )

keep them coming

N

[RunningDeer]

In my early 20's, I was in a physically abusive, live-in relationship. Not for long. Two maybe three months that felt like years. The most embarrassing time was when he sat on top of me and had my arms pinned down. After slaps that felt like punches to the face, he spit at me. Several times. It’s the part I remember most, that and his facial expression. Archonic. I didn’t have the word back then but I knew the energy.

The last straw was when it was safer for me to jump from the second story window. And that I did. And promised myself I’d never to do it again... Never broke that promise.

I say, do not fall into the trap of security and things...Life is too short. Life is too precious. Give yourself permission to be a quick study and move on.

And some day this will be outdate advise. We’re evolving beyond where sociopaths, psychopaths and archonic energies can not thrive.

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Nanoo Nanoo (here)
Ok So can we try something ?

Ladies , can you each make a short list , lets say 3 things , you would like to see change that is not already in process.

Identifying the problems is key to finding solutions.

SO far we have number ..

1 : No more circumcisions ( id agree with that one , ouch ) tip of the ice berg .. priceless: 0 )

keep them coming

N

• Accept strong women, don’t try to change them into something they are not.
• Know that if we have different opinions, it doesn’t make yours wrong. They’re just different.
• Be as supportive of us as we are for you.
• Life is not a competition.

Note: I know not all men fit the above. In fact, I'm encourage since I've come to Avalon. There are many open-minded, supportive men and women.

[judymoon]

If we are spirits incarnating in physical form to learn and grow, then we must learn different and valid lessons no matter what sex we incarnate into.

Not only girls are sexually molested and raped.

It seems to me that this planet is quite a dangerous incarnation experience.

Fear seems like an appropriate response, yet overcoming fear has been one of my biggest lessons. There doesn't seem to be any place here for naiviete and innocence. It's like a marine boot-camp for the soul.

Its hard to fathom how much suffering can take place on one tiny blue sphere in space. I think anyone on a spiritual path must everntually confront the monster in the road - what is the purpose of all this suffering? I've used this quote before on this forum, Ran Dass said it about his spiritual experience on this planet, that it was like ...."walking through hell with an open heart." You can't ignore the suffering, and you can't close your heart to it.

This thread is about the male abuse of women, but it seems abuse is rampant...human against animal, race against race, gender against gender, adult against child.

I think we are all capable of abuse against someone or something with less power. Fighting against that urge is one of the disciplines that forges us into spiritual beings.

Bill - I know you are a Pisces and that you have the generous open heart of that sign of the zodiac. When you incarnate in the sign of Pisces you are very close to merging back into the All. Your heart is wide open, compassion rules, and gender differences merge. I think you should be proud of being an empathetic male and quide to other males who need an example. I have certainly learned from watching your refusal to take sides or polarize.

Being a spirit in a biological body it is sometimes easy to forget the 'spirit' part. I feel like I spent a major portion of my life 'driven' by my bodies own hormonal impulses. The desire to be in love, procreate, deal with the sex drive, obsess about relationship etc. all went away for me when I reached a certain age, the hormones subsided, and felt like I was becoming 'sane' again. Now I can remember what it felt like to be a young girl, before all that chemically induced madness began.

it's awesome...heh

What i'm saying is, we have to factor in the gender and species characteristics that we incarnated into and realise....we are not that....but we are deeply affected by that.

Can we say 'no' to abusing when we have the power and the opportunity?

Can we empathise with, and be advocates for those who are abused, victimised, bullied, tortured, and not lose our center?

Dealing with suffering without losing faith, and without anger and blame, seems to me a master level in spiritual development.

I want to get there!

Someone once told me that when you heal a family wound ( sexual abuse, rage-a-holism, physical abuse, drug abuse, whatever) you heal the ancestrial line. The same is probably true on a species level. The work we do to grow spiritually radiates out and affects many. Stopping abuse starts on a personal level and grows from there. What we do in our day-to-day lives makes a difference.

[lizfrench]

Posted by Nanoo Nanoo (here)
Ok So can we try something ?

Ladies , can you each make a short list , lets say 3 things , you would like to see change that is not already in process.

Identifying the problems is key to finding solutions.

SO far we have number ..

1 : No more circumcisions ( id agree with that one , ouch ) tip of the ice berg .. priceless: 0 )

keep them coming

N

2. Fathers be kind to your boys, show them how to manage their physical power and don't feed them ADD meds.

[CdnSirian]

I found it interesting that when Demi Moore and Ashton Kutcher formed a cohesive team willing to take on human trafficking and sponsor changes of laws in the US they were quickly shut down, suddenly separated and she tanked completely and experienced public humiliation while his playing in hot tubs with babes was laughed off. She's pretty well disappeared. While individuals do have problems, the timing on this was noticeable. It is an example I feel, of the thick wall of protection around the issue.

As long as women are kept from birth control and men can rape their wives, there will always be too many mouths to feed.

Naomi Wolf's book "Vagina" has an entire chapter on male abuse against women and how young boys, specifically in Africa, are forced to engage in brutalities. Not only are the women now being sewn back together and counselled but there are hundreds of young males being counselled and raised (hopefully) to become protective and social beings with women.

I agree circumcision should be done away with just like female genital mutilation. Talk about nipping life in the bud. It couldn't be done better.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Posted by lizfrench (here)

Posted by Nanoo Nanoo (here)
Ok So can we try something ?

Ladies , can you each make a short list , lets say 3 things , you would like to see change that is not already in process.

Identifying the problems is key to finding solutions.

SO far we have number ..

1 : No more circumcisions ( id agree with that one , ouch ) tip of the ice berg .. priceless: 0 )

keep them coming

N

2. Fathers be kind to your boys, show them how to manage their physical power and don't feed them ADD meds.

This is a good one thank you , the meds however is covered by choosing a good doctor. thats another debate all together besides thats endorsing patriarchy as the male being the one in charge .. you both have to take responsibility on that one in Egalitarian relationships.

N

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Posted by Paula (here)

Posted by Nanoo Nanoo (here)
Ok So can we try something ?

Ladies , can you each make a short list , lets say 3 things , you would like to see change that is not already in process.

Identifying the problems is key to finding solutions.

SO far we have number ..

1 : No more circumcisions ( id agree with that one , ouch ) tip of the ice berg .. priceless: 0 )

keep them coming

N

• Accept strong women, don’t try to change them into something they are not.
• Know that if we have different opinions, it doesn’t make yours wrong. They’re just different.
• Be as supportive of us as we are for you.
• Life is not a competition.

Note: I know not all men fit the above. In fact, I'm encourage since I've come to Avalon. There are many open-minded, supportive men and women.

I hear you on this Paula but can i pick on you here , i hate this to be you but is this not a relationship issue ? its not nessesarily an equality issue imo. I mean you could reverse the angle and be talking about a reversal of sexes here.

What we need to cover are specific instances of how MEN have blocked Women from being equal.

In terms of your situation however , which is important to address, can i offer some advise and i speak from experience. Anyone can get a " dud " when they pick a partner, male or female ... the problem is we think they will change and because we have invested time and effort we stick around till the defective model has a malfunction and we put up with it for whatever reason.

The advise i give to you is this .. The moment you notice abnormal behaviour , get out and leave. If you stick around you are asking for trouble. There are plenty of awesome people in the world to date so move on sonner rather than later. This is for everybody .. dont suffer in a dead end relationship ! AND dont have kids with a defective model. Ladies in particular you should be very careful and vet the potential sperm doner , you are going to have that child you are stuck with him forever.

MAKE wise decisions.

N

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Ok SO far we have

1 : No Circumcision
2 : Fathers be good to your children
3 : Support one another ( i managed this from your post paula , on second read i see what you were saying )


We are getting somewhere , can anybody else have a suggestion ? Ladies please dont be shy :0 )

N