Boeing MH370 disappears in flight with 239 passengers

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
Even though I don't always agree with him a 100% of the time, I sure do anticipate hearing what Farrell has to say about certain matters....

THE REMOTE CONTROL-OF-AIRCRAFT-WITHOUT-PILOT-CONSENT CAT IS OUT OF THE BAG…

What’s new in this patent, and its relevancy both to the 9/11 storyline and the developing storyline to the Flight 370 affair is simply the statement that a system has been developed to override cockpit decisions remotely.
Joseph Farrell

Boeing wins patent on uninterruptible autopilot system
Published 4 December 2006

New technology can be activated by the pilots, government agencies, even on-board sensors; not even a tortured pilot can give up control; dedicated electrical circuits ensure the system’s total independence

http://www.homelandsecuritynewswire....topilot-system

I'm bumping this post because I think it is important and quite relevant to this event....and adding another thought or two to ponder.

If "someone" could take this jet over remotely and render the pilots useless/irrelevant, to steal this jet or even to crash it in the Southern Indian Ocean, wouldn't it also make sense that if a terrorist or suicidal pilot went rogue and was on a death wish, flying this plane around for 7+ hrs, that a Government/Military etc., could of easily found this plane via radar-satellite,(or other technology) within that 7+ hour window and remotely take the plane away from this terrorist or "suicidal pilot" and land it somewhere.?????????????

The question would be, who has the capability (access-codes-software) to "remotely" take over a Boeing 777? To make it "disappear"???? The Boeing 777 must have a very extreme security and firewall system to say the least.

A well experienced pilot could do what was done initially IMO, but to continue on for 7+ hours unchallenged is beyond logic and common sense, beyond belief.

[Bill Ryan]

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A comment on this page so delighted me, I thought I really should share it here.

http://presstv.ir/detail/2014/03/25/...t-370-revealed

There's one thing for sure: if you don't want your submarines found, just make them up to look like aircraft wreckage.

[HaveBlue]

http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/ is another one to be watching on this.

[Bob]

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
Even though I don't always agree with him a 100% of the time, I sure do anticipate hearing what Farrell has to say about certain matters....

THE REMOTE CONTROL-OF-AIRCRAFT-WITHOUT-PILOT-CONSENT CAT IS OUT OF THE BAG…

What’s new in this patent, and its relevancy both to the 9/11 storyline and the developing storyline to the Flight 370 affair is simply the statement that a system has been developed to override cockpit decisions remotely.
Joseph Farrell

Boeing wins patent on uninterruptible autopilot system
Published 4 December 2006

New technology can be activated by the pilots, government agencies, even on-board sensors; not even a tortured pilot can give up control; dedicated electrical circuits ensure the system’s total independence

http://www.homelandsecuritynewswire....topilot-system

I'm bumping this post because I think it is important and quite relevant to this event....and adding another thought or two to ponder.

If "someone" could take this jet over remotely and render the pilots useless/irrelevant, to steal this jet or even to crash it in the Southern Indian Ocean, wouldn't it also make sense that if a terrorist or suicidal pilot went rogue and was on a death wish, flying this plane around for 7+ hrs, that a Government/Military etc., could of easily found this plane via radar-satellite,(or other technology) within that 7+ hour window and remotely take the plane away from this terrorist or "suicidal pilot" and land it somewhere.?????????????

The question would be, who has the capability (access-codes-software) to "remotely" take over a Boeing 777? To make it "disappear"???? The Boeing 777 must have a very extreme security and firewall system to say the least.

A well experienced pilot could do what was done initially IMO, but to continue on for 7+ hours unchallenged is beyond logic and common sense, beyond belief.

This is the FlightGlobal DOT com link: http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...jacked-210869/
which contains the diagrams from the Boeing Patent.

From the Flight Global webpage article:
"It’s unclear if the Boeing work is related to last week’s issuance of a $1.9 million US Federal Aviation Administration contract to Raytheon for an Advanced Route Evaluation System (ARES). According to Raytheon, ARES will perform risk analysis on aviation routes to help planners determine the best routes for aircraft to use during emergencies."

Checking to see if Raytheon got that contract, from their own investor website: http://investor.raytheon.com/phoenix...814&highlight=
"The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has awarded Raytheon Company (NYSE: RTN) a contract to produce the Advanced Route Evaluation System (ARES) that will perform risk analysis on aviation routes to help planners determine the best routes for aircraft to use during an emergency. The ARES contract was awarded under the Rapid Technology Application program (RTAP) and is valued at $1.9 million, in 2006"

see: http://spinoff.nasa.gov/Spinoff2011/t_5.html - "In 1994, the Boeing 777 became the second commercial airliner to fly using DFBW. For commercial aircraft, the replacement of heavy mechanical systems with DFBW controls provides greater fuel efficiency or the ability to carry more passengers or cargo." (DFBW - direct digital fly by wire) - DFBW is needed for Raytheon's system to control it completely, remotely.

The first commercial airliner to fly with DFBW was the Airbus 320 in 1987, followed by Boeing’s 777 in 1994. Today, the technology features in a number of aircraft from both manufacturers.

It is unknown if the ARES system by Raytheon was installed, operative, or used on this 777. If it was, could it be controlled by a satellite system operated from Diego Garcia, most likely the answer would be yes. Could it be flown from any location where a satellite earth station was in place, the answer would be yes too. If this was the case, where was it flown to which could handle such a large plane (Diego Garcia can handle large planes) - could the small local population be silenced there? Seems like the answer would be yes easily.

So could the reports of Hijacking be plausible? If remote ARES-DFBW technology was installed, operative, and manually initiated no doubt that could be the case. Why would it be remotely hijacked?

Here is a strange thought - if the cargo contained a viral bio-weapon aerosol and it was released into the cabin, flight deck, to in essence create the "patient zero" effect, could the end result of that be a terrorist attack of a WMD unleashed on China when the plane landed?

Having found out about such, the appropriate military threat reduction authority that is, would it be appropriate to stop that plane, turn it around and have it land in a safe military location? If the plane crashed on-land, could a spread of such create a wild-fire situation? Recall that the Spanish flu of 1918 affected 500 MILLION people world-wide. Would a crash into the ocean release such a plague that could spread to land? Viri and bacteria do live in the ocean and are not necessarily killed by salt-water.

No doubt that stopping an "infected flight" should prevent the potential for a WW3 like incident being created by whatever "terrorist" released the bioweapon payload. Would it have spread and create a really nasty attack on China, quite possibly. Who would want to attack China, who would want to cause a plane to disappear (which was en-route to China).

All that is just conjecture, a what-if, why would such a plane be diverted and why would such a security fly-by-wire system be activated.

I've been following the strange coincidental ebola-like outbreak in west africa in another thread: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post814536 - the discussion of what types of bio-weapon viruses that could be used in an attack are discussed in that thread. Seems there is an outbreak going on in Africa.. Is any of that related - I don't know.

[Cidersomerset]

Colleen Keller helped on the Air France flight and I caught an interview with
here a few nights ago on BBC News channel and she appeared to be critical of how
the search had been going. I was only half listening as I was on the computer
and thought I'd find it on the BBC webpage or U'tube later (still looking )
found this article.....

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Malaysia Airlines: Can a 250-year-old mathematical theorem find a missing plane?
Geoff Brumfiel | NPR | March 25th, 2014, 7:40pm


This statistical map guided searchers to an Air France flight that disappeared into the Atlantic Ocean in 2009.

/C. Keller/Metron

This statistical map guided searchers to an Air France flight that disappeared into
the Atlantic Ocean in 2009.






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Searchers are feeling overwhelmed by the task of locating the wreckage of missing
Malaysian Airlines Flight 370.

"We're not searching for a needle in a haystack — we're still trying to define where
the haystack is," Australian Air Marshal Mark Binskin said Tuesday. The current
search zone stretches across many thousands of square miles of the Indian Ocean
off the coast of Australia.

But a 250-year-old mathematical theorem developed by an English minister might
be able to do what a small armada of satellites, planes and ships cannot — provide
a location (or at least a guess) of where the missing plane might be.

The theorem in question was developed by Thomas Bayes, a Presbyterian minister
who was a big fan of Isaac Newton and other scientists of the day. Bayes thought
very carefully about probability and developed a theorem for combining different
probabilities.

It's not the easiest to put it into words, but Arnold Barnett, a statistician at MIT's
Sloan School Of Management, explains it this way: Suppose someone in another
room throws a die and you're asked the odds he rolled a 5? "You'd say 1 in 6," he says.

"But now suppose [someone comes out of the next room] and says, 'an odd
number came up, but I don't remember which,' " he says. There are only three odd
numbers on the die (1, 3, and 5), so the odds of a 5 have gone up to 1 in 3.

Bayes' theorem is a formal way of revising that original 1-in-6 estimate based on
this new information about an odd number.

The theorem is used to analyze scientific results, and also to look for things. Metron
Corp. has used Bayes' theorem to hunt for everything from sunken submarines to
gold bullion.

Colleen Keller, a senior analyst with Metron, was called in to hunt for Air France
Flight 447, which disappeared somewhere over the Atlantic Ocean in 2009. A sonar
search for "pinger" beacons on the plane's two black boxes had turned up no sign
of the wreckage. "[They] were kind of throwing up their hands," she says. "They
brought us onboard to start collating the data and keep them organized."

Keller went to work developing a Bayesian model to look for the plane. She started
with data on the flight's last known position, along with details of currents and
weather, and stats from previous crashes. She calculated the odds of various
scenarios and combined them into a huge probabilistic framework. The
mathematical model calculated the odds of the plane being at any one point in a
nearly 50-mile radius of the last point of contact. Keller updated those odds after
searchers passed over a section of ocean.

But initially, the Bayesian search turned up nothing.

The reason provides a cautionary note about the power of such searches. In her
initial guess of where to look, Keller eliminated huge swaths of ocean floor because
nobody heard a signal from the plane's black boxes. "We actually looked at
historical data of a bunch of air crashes," she says. "Ninety percent of the time one
of them did work."

But the Air France flight was that 1-in-10 case where both boxes were damaged.
Two years later, she revised her probability map. This time, searchers started at a
red bull's-eye in the center of the search field. "It was literally within four or five
days, and they were right on it," she says.

Barnett says that the tale shows the strength, and weaknesses, of Bayes'
theorem. "Bayes' theorem is calm, it doesn't have emotions and it may actually tell
us things we might not have realized otherwise," he says.

But the theorem is only as good as the facts it includes. In the case of Air France,
the failure of both black boxes — against the odds — kept the theorem from initially
succeeding.

For the missing Malaysian Airlines flight, the problem may be the sea itself. The
southern Indian Ocean is vast, deep and prone to bad weather and powerful
currents. Search planes can miss things; boats can pass over wreckage and not
even realize it.

"If the search itself is imperfect, then the revisions under Bayes' theorem will still
leave a great deal of uncertainty," warns Barnett. "You might not be that far away
from where you started."

Still, Keller says, Bayes' theorem probably does have something to offer. Even if
the search area it predicts proves vast, "it's going to be better than searching the
whole Indian Ocean."

Copyright 2014 NPR. To see more, visit http://www.npr.org/.


http://www.scpr.org/news/2014/03/25/...athematical-t/

[Cidersomerset]

I found Colleen Keller senior analyst on these vids she is not critical on these. But
explains a few aspects of drift and ping and reverse drifting back and some
technical details .....






CNN Situation Room (C. Keller) - (2014/03/25)

vid on link............

http://www.metsci.com/News/CNN-Situa...er--2014-03-25

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[IMG]CNN Quest Means Business (C. Keller) - (2014/03/25)[/IMG]

vid on link........

http://www.metsci.com/News/CNN-Quest...er--2014-03-25

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Its certainly an ideal place to loose a plane, whether real or planted wreckage.
There is a Chinese ice breaker down there it would be interesting if they find
the wreckage ? Would they confirm or expose whether it is genuine or not ?






Chinese Antarctic research icebreaker Xue Long prepares to depart Fremantle
Habour on 21 March 2014, as at least seven Chinese ships are reported to head for
the southern Indian Ocean, where possible debris from a missing Malaysia Airlines
MH370 plane has been sighted. Photograph: GREG WOOD/AFP/Getty Images

[Bill Ryan]

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Folks, this is highly strange. It was referenced by Jim Stone, and this is the source article that he quoted. It states that it is apparently known and provable that there is a clone of the MH-370 Boeing 777 sitting in Tel Aviv.

Presumably, if this is true, then the setup would be that the Israelis are planning to do something with the identical plane to frame the Iranians, and justify war.

My personal comment: If this really is on the cards, then it would have to emerge officially that the Southern Ocean debris is nothing to do with the plane after all... which means that the coast is clear for the Iranians to be blamed for a hijack.

This needs a bit more time to check it all out than I have available... any volunteers? Read with some interest...

From http://bollyn.com/#article_14613

Are the Israelis Planning Another 9-11 Using the Missing Boeing 777?
Updated March 26, 2014




Why would Israel have a plane identical to the missing Malaysia Airlines plane in storage in Tel Aviv? The plane in this photo is Boeing 777 2H6(ER) - 28416/155, an identical twin of the missing plane, which has been in Israel since November 2013. What are the Israelis doing with this plane in a hanger in Tel Aviv? Could it be part of a false-flag terror plot in the making? Where is this plane today?

• Source: http://planespotters.net/Production_...GA-Telesis-php
• 
See more at: http://www.bollyn.com/home/#article_11686

Update - According to reports from plane-spotters, Israel has an identical Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777-200 in storage in Tel Aviv since November 2013. The only visible difference between the missing plane and the one in Tel Aviv would be its serial number. What do the Israelis have planned with the twin Malaysia Airlines plane?

By using the twin aircraft they have in storage, the terror masterminds may have a sinister plan for the missing plane to seemingly reappear in a false-flag atrocity. Public awareness of the twin plane in Tel Aviv, therefore, could prevent the evil plot from going ahead.

For more on the identical Malaysia plane in Tel Aviv see the latest entry, dated March 26, 2014, on my Q&A and Comment page.

Note: The Malaysia Air 777 with Boeing serial number 28416 and registered as 9M-MRI was sold to GA Telesis, LLC of Fort Lauderdale, Florida, on October 21, 2013, and is now registered as N105GT. The aircraft was stored at Tarbes Lourdes Pyrenees on October 4, 2013, and then on November 4, 2013, it was re-registered as N105GT and stored at Tel Aviv.

• See: http://planespotters.net/Production_...GA-Telesis-php

Abdol Moabery serves as the President and Chief Executive Officer of GA Telesis, LLC. Previously, Mr. Moabery served as Executive Vice President of Aviation Systems International, Inc., and as Director of Marketing and Sales at C-S Aviation Services, Inc. Both of Moabery's former companies were owned by George Soros. Therefore it is not unlikely that Soros owns a good part of GA Telesis, too.

• C-S Aviation Services:
  https://mail-archive.com/osint@yahoo.../msg64520.html

• Aviation Systems International, Inc.
  http://business.fau.edu/news-events/...6#.UzFK2CO3PJs

This information is very important because it fits neatly into the terror scenario presented by Israeli El Al "security expert" Issac Yeffet shortly after the Malaysian plane went missing. Yeffet suggested the missing plane had been hijacked to Iran and was being prepared for a terror attack. For the Israelis to have an identical plane in a hanger in Tel Aviv reveals why Yeffet presented such a scenario. He appears to have been setting the stage for a false-flag attack like 9-11, perhaps in Israel. If such an attack were to occur in Israel all the evidence would be in the hands of Israeli intelligence giving them complete control of the interpretation or narrative of the terror event.

"I BELIEVE IRAN WAS INVOLVED"

"What happened to this aircraft, nobody knows. My guess is based upon the stolen passports, and I believe Iran was involved. They hijacked the aircraft and they landed it in a place that nobody can see or find it.”

- Issac Yeffet, former El Al security expert to Times of Israel, March 17, 2014

World seems transfixed by 777 disappearance. Maybe no crash but stolen, effectively hidden, perhaps in Northern Pakistan, like Bin Laden.
- Rupert Murdoch on Twitter, March 15, 2014




It is not Iranians, but Israeli agents and Zionist propagandists like Rupert Murdoch who are the real authors of false-flag terror plots involving airliners being flown into hi-rise towers. Arnon Milchan, for example, the Israeli Mossad operative-cum-film producer, made the Medusa Touch film in 1978, in which a 9-11 type attack is the climax of the film. Is there a nefarious plot in the works to use the missing Malaysian plane for such an attack?




The making of Milchan's Medusa Touch involved constructing models to simulate an aircraft striking a skyscraper.

With no trace of Beijing-bound flight MH370 after nine days, one of several theories that has emerged is that the plane was hijacked to Iran, where it could be turned into a massive and devastating weapon. Two Iranian passengers are known to have been aboard, travelling on false passports. While Israeli officials did not confirm any suspicions regarding Iran, experts said it is not a stretch to point the finger at Israel's Middle East nemesis.



“My guess is based upon the stolen passports, and I believe Iran was involved [in the disappearance of the plane],” Issac Yeffet, formerly a global security expert for Israel’s national airline El Al told today’s Times of Israel. “They hijacked the aircraft and they landed it in a place that nobody can see or find it.”

- "Missing jet, Iranian threats, prompt Israel to tighten air security" by Paul Alster, March 17, 2014

The disappearance of the Malaysian Boeing 777 looks like something from a Batman movie plot - or a bad Israeli screenplay by Arnon Milchan and his business partner Rupert Murdoch. The missing plane is bound to turn up sooner or later. The hijackers - or Israeli computer hackers - didn't pull a fast turn to the west and make professional moves with the plane in order to simply drop it in the Indian Ocean. Or maybe they did. In any case, all of the events going on with the missing Boeing and the Ukrainian crisis look like the making of a perfect storm - or perhaps another false-flag terror spectacle like 9-11.

An Israel-based reporter named Paul Alster has an article on Murdoch's FoxNews.com giving an Israeli prognosis about the missing Malaysian Boeing 777. The article is important because it suggests that the Israelis may be setting the stage for a false-flag event using the missing plane as a flying bomb.

The article indicates that the Israelis may be projecting a planned terror scenario and are planting the idea in the public mind. The following article has comments from an Israeli El Al "security expert" that are very similar to comments tweeted by Rupert Murdoch the day before. Isn't it interesting that Rupert Murdoch and an Israeli airline security expert imagine the exact same fate for the missing Boeing?

MURDOCH'S COMMENTS ON MISSING PLANE

Obama should call Chinese President following today's incident and say "we both have the problem of Muslim terrorism. Can we work together?"

3:50 AM - 2 Mar 2014

777 crash confirms jihadists turning to make trouble for China. Chance for US to make common cause, befriend China while Russia bullies.

4:15 PM - 9 Mar 2014

World seems transfixed by 777 disappearance. Maybe no crash but stolen, effectively hidden, perhaps in Northern Pakistan, like Bin Laden.
2:23 AM - 15 Mar 2014

777. Still think this a reminder that US and China should be working more closely on Muslim extremist threat.

2:26 AM - 15 Mar 2014

The Israeli comments in the article imagine a terror scenario like that described by Murdoch. It is important to note that the Israeli El Al "security expert" comes from the exact same groups (ICTS, El Al security, Menachem Atzmon, the Shin Bet and assorted Mossadniks), who projected the ideation of 9-11 (Murdoch’s "Lone Gunmen" pilot episode in 2000 and Arnon Milchan's Medusa Touch film in 1978) - and who were involved in the false-flag attacks of 9-11.

This is exactly what the evidence I present in my Solving 9-11 books reveals about Israeli involvement in the false-flag terrorism of 9-11. The fact that the same people are now projecting the ideation that the Boeing 777 has been hijacked (perhaps by computer like in the "Lone Gunmen") and will be used in a terror attack needs to be taken very seriously.

The game is on. We need to be aware of the very real possibility that the plane may resurface, used as a weapon of terror. If so, the attack would probably be designed to be a false-flag provocation that can be used to initiate aggression against a targeted foe – such as the Islamic Republic of Iran. If enough people understand the evil game of deception the Israelis are up to, they won't be able to pull off another major terror spectacle - and get away with it.

Here is the article by Paul Alster from FoxNews.com

Missing jet, Iranian threats, prompt Israel to tighten air security

By Paul Alster, March 17, 2014

HAIFA, Israel – Top Israeli defense officials have hurriedly put in place a confidential list of secret security measures in light of the baffling disappearance of a Malaysia Airlines jumbo jet that experts fear could become a weapon of mass destruction if in the wrong hands.

With no trace of Beijing-bound flight MH370 after nine days, one of several theories that has emerged is that the plane was hijacked to Iran, where it could be turned into a massive and devastating weapon. Two Iranian passengers are known to have been aboard, travelling on false passports. While Israeli officials did not confirm any suspicions regarding Iran, experts said it is not a stretch to point the finger at Israel's Middle East nemesis.

“My guess is based upon the stolen passports, and I believe Iran was involved [in the disappearance of the plane],” Issac Yeffet, formerly a global security expert for Israel’s national airline El Al told today’s Times of Israel. “They hijacked the aircraft and they landed it in a place that nobody can see or find it.”

As the search continued to widen fruitlessly, Israeli security officials and aviation authorities, who have long feared a 9/11-style attack, conducted a security assessment and rapidly implemented a series of security measures. The only one reported publicly is that Israeli air traffic controllers will demand that incoming aircraft identify themselves earlier than has so far been the case, sources told FoxNews.com.

IDF officials aim to ensure an unthinkable repetition of the Twin Towers attack doesn’t happen in Tel Aviv, where the skyscraping triple Azrieli Towers rise high above the city. There's good reason to believe the three-tower commercial-residential-office complex is a coveted target of the Islamic Republic.

In a recent video simulation broadcast by Iranian state TV after the initial agreement with the international community on a reduction in Iran’s nuclear capability was signed, the Azrieli Towers were shown being blown up by Iranian missiles.

The Israeli media has speculated that if Iran played a part in the disappearance of the plane, it is all but certain the regime would not have been directly involved. It would likely instead act through a third party, using one of the many international terror organizations Iran sponsors and maintaining plausible deniability. Tehran would not want to jeopardize the easing of international sanctions and other gains made recently at the Geneva negotiations with the US and the P5+1.

The recent interception of a boatload of Iranian M-302 missiles headed for Israel’s enemies in the Gaza Strip or Sinai Peninsula has given rise to further speculation in Israel that Iran might be considering all manner of means to strike back after such an embarrassing and damaging loss.

“This would never have happened on an Israeli plane,” Yeffet said. “An El Al aircraft was hijacked for the first and last time in 1968. Since then, there has not been a single flight where security did not check every single name.”

Yeffet believes that the time consuming and often-criticized profiling of every passenger at Israeli airports would have picked up the Iranians travelling on false papers.

Most flights to and from Israel require check-in three hours before the advertised flight time and passengers are often faced with many questions (some personal) that some people take exception to. The fact remains though that the Israeli method seems to work and has, thus far, proved watertight.

“More security costs more money,” Menachem Yarden, a retired El Al pilot with more than 37 years experience told Fox News.com. “Few companies these days are making money because of increased costs and relatively low ticket prices. Especially in the U.S., spending more money on security and telling people to come 3 hours before the flight – even if their flight time is just one hour – it’s crazy. No-one would fly.”

Asked if air marshals - allegedly placed on every El Al plane - might have made a difference to flight MH370 if, as some believe, it has been hijacked, Yarden said, “As El Al pilots we didn’t know all the security measures [put in place]. Security is a separate matter [to piloting] and the fewer people that know about it, the more secure it is.”

Yarden said it is possible such a huge aircraft could have flown thousands of miles undetected.

“Yes. It is possible to fly as low as the pilot is able,” Yarden confirmed. “When you switch off the transponder no civil controller can see you. In 9/11 the pilots switched off the transponders and no one saw them. It is not like military radar which sends electromagnetic pulses that receives back the echo via antenna.”

“In this extraordinary case any theory might be the right theory,” Yarden concluded. “No one knows what’s happened.”

Sources:

• "Ex-El Al expert: Iran likely involved in MH 370" by Debra Kamin, Times of Israel, March 16, 2014
  http://www.timesofisrael.com/ex-el-a...lved-in-mh-370
• “Missing jet, Iranian threats, prompt Israel to tighten air security” by Paul Alster, FoxNews.com, March 17, 2014
  http://foxnews.com/world/2014/03/17/...n-air-security

[Gerald Paris]

Thank you so much for sharing this information.

Def worth consideration

Much Love

G

[Selene]

Bingo, Bill.

Yes. Chase this. You're onto something here.

If indeed this plane has a clone, painted out the same - oh sh*t. Congratulation to Christopher Bollyn for finding this.

Regards,

Selene

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Selene (here)
Bingo, Bill.

Yes. Chase this. You're onto something here.

If indeed this plane has a clone, painted out the same - oh sh*t. Congratulation to Christopher Bollyn for finding this.

Regards,

Selene

Here's the test:

If this assertion about the cloned plane is true, what this is very likely to mean is that the Israelis plan to do something with the identical plane (like crash it into Tel Aviv, 9-11 style) -- and frame the Iranians. They can then attack Iran, with the world behind them.

Here's the rub: FOR THIS TO HAPPEN, it would have to be formally announced that the Southern Ocean debris is NOT the missing plane after all. That leaves the coast clear for the Israelis to roll out their false flag and set up the Iranians as successful hijackers.

So: watch carefully. If the ocean debris is "finally confirmed" (whether correctly or not) as belonging to the missing plane, then this scenario cannot be viable.

But if it IS announced officially (presumably in the next few days, because the search teams are good men and women working extremely hard!) that the debris is NOT the missing plane after all, and therefore there's a back-to-the-drawing-board situation of where-the-hell-IS-it -- then this information may need to be spread far and wide in order to prevent war.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
If this assertion about the cloned plane is true, what this is very likely to mean is that the Israelis plan to do something with the identical plane (like crash it into Tel Aviv, 9-11 style) -- and frame the Iranians. They can then attack Iran, with the world behind them.

Within the first few days after flight 370 went missing, Bill Still started reporting on it. His first report, as Still Report # 213, speculated that the plane had been hijacked to Iran for some nefarious scheme.

A day or two later, he retracted that first report, and pulled down that Youtube video, uploading instead Still Report # 213 v2 0 with an apology to Iran: https://youtube.com/watch?v=hD6HtqyC5hw

Since then, I've found Bill Still's reporting on Iran to mirror (rather too closely in my view) the diverse speculation that has been the hall mark of this incident.

My current oxygen deprived (Joseph Farrell's delightful phrase) speculation:

Bill Still is to some extent being used, like many of us might be, to spread conflicting explanations of this missing flight.

Still's initial report blaming Iran was (surely unbeknownst to Bill Still himself) part of a plan by Israel to run a false flag blaming Iran. Something went wrong with that operation, and now we just seeing a smoke screen of confusion to cover the resulting break down in the planned false flag.

Part of this speculation (that we're seeing a failed false flag by Israel against Iran) comes from some article I read on the web in the last day or two, so I can't claim that is my original thinking. But I cannot find that article now to give proper credit (for which that article's original author might be grateful.)

[Limor Wolf]

Originally posted by Paul: Bill Still is to some extent being used, like many of us might be, to spread conflicting explanations of this missing flight."

Very possible. Adopting Bill's logic, better wait a few days to see where the 'plot' takes us, if the path will be open to a scenario such as this then ditributing the article around Israel would be a proper thing to do.

[Cidersomerset]

Looks like David saw the same thing or read Bills post...LOL

Are the Israelis Planning Another 9-11 Using the Missing Boeing 777?

new Thursday 27th March 2014 at 06:49 By David Icke





‘Why would Israel have a plane identical to the missing Malaysia Airlines plane in
storage in Tel Aviv? The plane in this photo is Boeing 777 2H6(ER) – 28416/155,
an identical twin of the missing plane, which has been in Israel since November
2013. What are the Israelis doing with this plane in a hanger in Tel Aviv? Could it
be part of a false-flag terror plot in the making?’

Read more: Are the Israelis Planning Another 9-11 Using the Missing Boeing 777?

http://www.bollyn.com/are-the-israel...e-missing-777/

[Cidersomerset]

This is more of a strategic worry and I'll post on Bills thread as well.

Why just mention Manhattan ? just an metaphor or warning of another false flag ?
Could this plane be involved or a distraction ? Could the target of the plane be the
US not Iran but blamed on them as recent allegations have connected Tehran with
Lockerbie and other events ? Timing is always essential in these events, so
anything is possible.

Could all be the usual scare mongering for the mil ind complex not to receive
defence contract cuts in the wake of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan scaling down
combat wise ? lots of scenarios.

It is significant that he said the Russian dispute with Ukraine is regional. Maybe
to avoid the Kremlin stepping in if Iran is to be targeted. Lots of if and buts, but it
certainly feels something is brewing....

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Nuke Scare: Obama Warns of ’Loose Nukes Being Detonated in Manhattan’, Plays
War ’Mind-Games’ with World Leaders

new Thursday 27th March 2014 at 06:48 By David Icke




‘With deliberately-placed words, Obama dropped his own ’bomb’ on the press at the
Nuclear Security Summit in The Hague, raising the prospect of terrorists detonating
nukes in Manhattan.

When asked about his position on Russia and the recent Ukrainian Crisis, Obama
answered that Russia’s influence was localized to their region, and doesn’t
represent a threat to the United States. He then resurrected the specter of terrorism.

“They don’t pose the number one national security threat to the United States,”
Obama said. “I continue to be much more concerned, when it comes to our
security, of the prospect of a nuclear weapon going off in Manhattan.”‘

Read more: Nuke Scare: Obama Warns of ’Loose Nukes Being Detonated in
Manhattan’, Plays War ’Mind-Games’ with World Leaders

http://redicecreations.com/article.php?id=29506

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/


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Got to go late for work.....LOL

[araucaria]

If Israel can be proven to be in possession of a Boeing in Malaysian Airlines livery, that is already an established false flag with intent to create a false flag attack. You can carry a gun without intent, you cannot innocently own a false flag. The loss of a twin aircraft cannot be anything but a part of that planned false flag attack: it simply cannot be coincidence.

Looking at the ‘miracle’ of Lourdes (or nearby Tarbes), Tarbes is where Tarmac Aerosave, an aircraft ‘cemetery’ (scrapyard and recycling plant), operates. This article from 2009 forecasts a cruising speed of 30 to 50 aircraft handled each year.

http://www.ladepeche.fr/article/2009...es-avions.html

This facility also has a hangar capable of housing an Airbus 380. While Tarbes-Lourdes-Pyrénées Airport is large enough to handle these craft (presumably needed to transport all the pilgrims), no planes this size are currently ready for scrapping. However this is also an aircraft storage facility. At the time of writing, a brand new A319 was being got ready.

Here is an English language site:

http://www.airbus.com/innovation/eco...t-end-of-life/

So this part of the story can easily be true. Many commentators will be wrong-footed by this new development. They had decided in advance that the debris would be falsely proclaimed to come from the plane. The deception might now be that it is the truth that has not been announced until it is disbelieved by all but the general public. This can only mean that the plan has indeed gone wrong and no one was supposed to know about the second plane. All the same, Occam’s razor tells us that one plane was enough: what was wrong with simply hijacking the plane and then accusing the Iranians – given that there was nothing technically unfeasible? It would seem that not only has the plan gone wrong, it was a lousy plan in the first place.

Some of us would see this as one further example of how the elite have totally lost it and are being thwarted at every turn.

Edit:
It would seem to be just an ordinary Malaysia Airlines plane temporarily mothballed in Israel; not quite the same thing, but still one wonders what it is doing there.

[araucaria]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

in my opinion, is well worth reading... and this

http://rense.com/general96/isthiswhy.html

might even be what actually happened. It has to be a credible theory -- one of quite a number, of course. Recommended (by me ).

Bill, Sean Spoonts’s theory of the political hijacking, at rense.com, makes no sense to me at all. I fail to see how the authorities could accede to his demands in such a way that they would be forced to carry them out once the plane landed. They would simply have arrested the pilot, and that would be that. How do you see this being done?

[Limor Wolf]

What may apparently be rather unreasonable with such an item, (and should be very carefully considered, as Paul alluded), is that somehow it could be expected that an Air craft such as this would be left in the open in a hangar in Tel Aviv with the possibility to be detected. Unfortunately the agencies can be given a little more credit than this when doing their operations.

I have worked in and around these aviation areas and am familiar enough with both Airports in Tel Aviv as well as the area of the IAI (Israeli Air Industry) where they have those hugh hungars in a close proximity to the airport. As an employee, it is sometimes possible to see foregin Airplains being parked or getting treatment in one of those hangars, a lot of U.S. military Aircrafts as the U.S army obviously has relations with Israel. But a Malasian Airplain is a 'No No' as Malysia is a Muslim country and as such has no relationship with Israel, in fact, no one with a Malaysian passport can enter the country and vice versa, such an aircraft will be highly suspicious to anyone seeing it.

One more thought, it is relatively very easy to paint an Aircraft with any one Logo, it is sometimes done with advertisments for specific occasions and charter planes are being painted all the time and there is no necassity to actually bring a plane such as Boeing which is common enough to the country unless it has some special markings that can survive whatever they are planning for it. Something just does not add up with this story, the more I think about it.

[SilentFeathers]

I'm not fully convinced that a cloned Malaysian 777 is sitting in an Israeli airport, it just seems too "obvious" and basically pretty ignorant on the Israeli's behalf to allow it to be seen if they were really planning a false flag to set Iran up.

If it is true though, I think with this "clone" rumor starting to get around and with all the suspicion on missing MH370, that if a plan was in the works for Israel to frame Iran, well, the mission may of already been aborted. I just can't see Israel starting a massive regional war with such a sloppy false flag plan such as this "cloned" plane, and all the BS and open ended questions surrounding MH370's disappearance......and if it was Israels original intent, it seems perhaps the West has thrown a wrench in it to prevent it.

This whole missing jet thing is far from over, so anything is possibly. Personally I would have to say it is very time sensitive if a huge event was planned with this plane, the window may have been missed.

Speculation on top of speculation....a bit like the confusing Sandy Hook fiasco, but more like a Sandy Hook event on steroids!

ADDED: If Dahboo is correct, Israel does have a like jet in their possession.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=wWYANJzVJvY

Is it possible Israel is being this sloppy if they are planning a false flag against Iran with this jet?????

Perhaps

[Humanbean]

This is an interesting BBC Doc on the construction of the RR Trent Engines. I saw it about a year ago and just looked it up because I remembered the scene in the control centre that monitors all Trent engines worldwide "24/7 365 days of the year". I suppose the question is whether the engines send out positioning data independent of the aircraft's systems, along with the engine critical info. Check it out from 42:30 to see the monitoring centre etc.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=VfomloUg2Gw

[Atlas]

Posted by jackovesk (here)
Mystery call made before Flight...

March 23, 2014



MH370 Report claims woman with fake ID contacted pilot

The Mail On Sunday claims the call was one of the last on Captain Zahaire Ahmed Shah's mobile phone before the ill-fated flight left the Malaysian capital Kuala Lumpur on March 8.

In this case the SIM card used to call Captain Shah's phone was traced to a shop in Kuala Lumpur and had been purchased recently by a woman using a false identity.

A high-ranking Malaysian police officer was quoted by US Today as rejecting reports in British media that Captain Zaharie received a phone call moments before the flight was to depart from a woman who used a false name to obtain a mobile phone SIM card to make the call.

He was quoted as saying as far as investigators knew, he did not receive a call on his mobile phone at that time.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/mh370-pi...327-zqnrx.html

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The New Straits Times reports that the son of pilot Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah has dismissed speculation about his father's role in the tragedy, saying: "I know my father." 26-year-old Ahmad Seth said he was aware of theories that his dad could have hijacked the plane for political reasons or flown it deliberately into the sea. But he said: "I've read everything online. But I've ignored all the speculation. I knew my father better."

"We may not be as close as he travels so much. But I understand him," he said when met in Subang Jaya on Tuesday night. Seth appeared calm and composed during the interview, and did not reveal any resentment against those who portrayed his father as a "hijacker".

In a resigned tone, he said, he had expected the outcome after having waited for 18 days for news on the aircraft and its 239 occupants. Nevertheless, he was still clinging on to a glimmer of hope.

"Now, we are just waiting for the right confirmation (for the wreckage or bodies). I will believe it (that there are no survivors) when I see the proof in front of my eyes," he said calmly.

He reluctantly admitted that he was the strongest in his family in dealing with the crisis, but did not elaborate on how his other family members were coping. His family members, mother Faizah Khanum Mustafa Khan, elder siblings Ahmad Idris and Aishah, have thus far not spoken to the press.


Ahmad Seth Zaharie, 26, with his sister Aishah Zaharie (left), 27, and mother Faizah Khanum Mustafa Khan at an event.

http://www.nst.com.my/nation/general...-well-1.534266